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Channel log from 25 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<mystafa>
hi for all!
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<schyffel>
Hi all
06:41
Does anyone have an idea of why I can run ltsp clients on ubuntu/ltsp-5 even though I'm missing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf?
06:42
Basically I want to know how to modify the settings, and it's a bit hard without that file it seems.
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<schyffel>
I'm actually thinking of throwing away the Ubuntu ltsp-5 and install ltsp-4.2 instead.
07:07
Hmmm, lts.conf reappeared when running ltsp-build-client
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<schregge>
hi
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<schregge>
i have still problems with my fujitts fi-4120C scanner. I am using ltsp 4.2 and now i want to swtitch to ltsp5 under dapper. But the sane backend is also pretty old under dapper. is there a posibillity to install the new sane version?
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<cliebow_>
schyffel, wont nee an lts.conf if the defaults work..
07:16
<schyffel>
I need it if I want to change the defaults. But now I have it anyway. Got some new problems though.
07:16
now I need modules.dep
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<schyffel>
modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory
07:21
<schregge>
can i chroot into the ltsp client environment and change the source.list form dapper to feisty to get the newest packages (mainly sane) for my clients?
07:22
<cliebow_>
really should get latest ltsp-build-client and build a new chroot
07:23
<schregge>
ok
07:23
where can i get it?
07:23
<schyffel>
modprobe doesn't seem to matter, so never mind my last message
07:28
<cliebow_>
well..i am using gutsy..and simply apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone..
07:28
then ltsp-build-client
07:29
use dpkg -l to see what version you have
07:32
<schregge>
i have version 0.87 in dapper
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<cliebow_>
schregge, i need to defer to the wizards rather than give you half asses advice..wouldnt you like to update to feisty.btw gutsy should ROCK
07:40
<schregge>
i know, but i dont want to use gutsy in an production environment.... and i had a lot of problems when i used feisty with ltsp5
07:41
so at the moment i use ltsp4-2 with dapper.... but the sane version is too old so i decided to switch ltsp5 but in dapper they are using the same version :(
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<cliebow_>
i see..there should be a prebuilt fe\isty chroot available..
07:44
<schyffel>
Anyone know a good webpage for troubleshooting the X-server on ltsp-client?
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<cliebow_>
a lot of people try xserver=vesa for starters..dont know is there is much to debug x
07:45
<schyffel>
Ok. trying that.
07:46
<cliebow_>
gotta run..good luck..
07:46
<schyffel>
Thx
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<schyffel>
Nah, vesa didn't do the trick
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<JanetFLorida>
can anyone tell me why my firefox global extensions aren't being applied to all users? http://pastebin.ca/670136
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<schyffel>
Could modprobe failing due to missing modules.dep cause failure for the X server?
09:25
"modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory"
09:29
<cyberorg>
schyffel, your boot image and your ltsp chroot kernel probably are of different version
09:30
<schyffel>
Ok, that could be it, I
09:30
''ll try reinstalling the who chabooty
09:38
On ubuntu, will it install the boot image when i do "sudo ltsp-build-client"
09:38
?
09:40
Looks like it does. Then my boot image and my chroot kernel should be same version.
09:42
It looks like it's working now anyway...
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<schyffel>
Damn this terminal client is slow when running over ssh...
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<schyffel>
Thanks for the tips on getting started though.
10:17
Anyone know why the xdmcp server would do nothing when entering correct login, but displays an error when entering faulty login?
10:17
<sbalneav>
Define "do nothing"?
10:18
Just sits there?
10:18
<schyffel>
It asks for username again
10:18
<sbalneav>
What version of ltsp are you running, and on what server?
10:18
<schyffel>
So probably returns nothing.
10:18
Ubuntu server with ltsp-5
10:18
Feisty
10:19
<sbalneav>
Are you running XDMCP, or are you using the ldm login manager?
10:19
<schyffel>
I used xdmcp login from another mashine the other week, so it should work.
10:19
running xdmcp
10:19
<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
10:20
<schyffel>
SCREEN_01=startx
10:20
<sbalneav>
!pastebot
10:20
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:20
<sbalneav>
Oh, you don't want to start it on screen 1
10:20
change it to SCREEN_07
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<schyffel>
Ok, then it should work?
10:21
Why is that?
10:21
<sbalneav>
No guarentees, but that's an obvious problem right there.
10:21
SCREEN_01 already has a character login running on it.
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<schyffel>
Ok, I'll try that. I'll also try xdmcp from this mashine.
10:23
Ah, seems the xdmcp isn't working from this mashine eighter. Not an ltsp-problem after all.
10:27
<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf so I can see the whole thing?
10:29
<ltsppbot>
"schyffel" pasted "SCREEN_07 = startx" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/288
10:30
<schyffel>
I like the bot...
10:30
<sbalneav>
Any reason why you're not running ldm?
10:30
<schyffel>
Nope
10:31
<sbalneav>
Well, you might want to check the .xsession-errors file of an account that can't log in. That may give you some insight.
10:36
<schyffel>
Or rather, there is a reason for not running ldm. It's to slow running through ssh on the client.
10:38
<sbalneav>
Then, you need the patched ldm, now with LDM_DIRECTX support
10:38
!ldm
10:38
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
10:40
<schyffel>
Hard to install?
10:41
Doesn't look like it... :D
10:41
<sbalneav>
cp /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm.orig ; cp <ldm> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin ; chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "Make your lts.conf look like this" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/289
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<schyffel>
I'll try this right away then.
10:44
Huge thanks!
10:44
<sbalneav>
Also, make sure you do an ltsp-update-sshkeys
10:48
<schyffel>
Way faster!
10:48
This is great!
10:48
<sbalneav>
Glad I could help
10:49
For Gutsy, I've re-written ldm and the greeter in C, so it starts even quicker, now.
10:50
<schyffel>
Hey, it froze.
10:50
Oh, just when I was so happy! :-)
10:51
Oh, nvm, I got it working at least...
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<schyffel>
It's been freezing a few times now, about a minute och two after the login screen appears. Has nothing to do with ldm though, coz it did the same for x and while in shell
10:54
<sbalneav>
How much memory is in the client?
10:57
<schyffel>
I think 128MB
10:57
<sbalneav>
Should be fine. What video card is in the machine?
10:57
<schyffel>
It's one of the disklessworkstations units, but a couple years old.
10:58
I think via graphics
11:00
Frozen again
11:00
Doesn't really matter what I do, it freezes after about 2-4 minutes.
11:01
No matter if I stay at the login screen, only start the shell, startx or whatever.
11:02
Could specifying XSERVER to 'via' instead of 'auto' do something?
11:03
<sbalneav>
XERVER=vesa might be a good place to start
11:03
that and checking the ram in the client
11:05
Well, going upstairs for breakfast.
11:05
afk for a bit
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<schyffel>
XSERVER=vesa gave me 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024 and a lot slower graphics. On the other hand the graphics were correct when playing a movie.
11:11
Still froze though...
11:32
Here's the specs: 256MB mem, Embedded Trident VGA, up to 8 MB shared memory
11:32
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/ltsp_tj225.html
11:33
It's worked perfect before, but not against this version of ltsp
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<Q-FUNK>
re
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<klausade>
I need to use acpi=off for a few machines. Is there a better way than doing that in pxelinux.cfg ?
14:49* vagrantc can't think of one
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<vagrantc>
you might be able to pass some information via dhcp or something ...
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<rjune>
/join #kubuntu
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
21:40
<vagrantc>
gah. i'm so frustrated with this weird problem.
21:40
intel cards with Intel Boot Agent 3.0+ seem to not work with etch.
21:41
the PXE implementation seems to require the pxe daemon
21:43
<sbalneav>
REally?
21:43
Wierd.
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Hey, maybe you can tell me.
21:45
I'm trying to hunt down a crash bug in nbd-server
21:45
How do I do a pbuilder so that the binary still has the debug symbols in it?
21:46
So I can start nbd-server under gdb, and find out where it's sigsev' ing?
21:49
vagrantc: Also, I'm pbuildering the ltsp, how do I increment the debian package version number. The "official" ones are 5.0.24, and mine are still 5.0.22
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<vagrantc>
DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip pdebuild ...
21:57
sbalneav: don't really understand your question about the version numbers
21:58
sbalneav: well, unless you mean to edit the changelog file ... use dch -i to increment the version number
21:59
sbalneav: and use some 5.0.25~0.scotty.0 revision for a personal package or something
21:59
<sbalneav>
dch: fatal error at line 500:
21:59
Found debian/changelog for package ltsp in the directory
21:59
/home/sbalneav/src/bzr/scotts-gutsy
21:59
but this directory name does not match the package name according to the
21:59
regex PACKAGE(-.*)?.
21:59
How do I do that.
21:59
<vagrantc>
never had that problem before
22:00
you could rename your directory
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<sbalneav>
I have to admit, I've been cheating: I compile the programs, and just copy them in place. I really should learn to do it properly.
22:00
<vagrantc>
indeed
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<sbalneav>
Now that I'm comfortable with bzr, :)
22:00
I'll learn the next step :)
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<vagrantc>
mv scotts-gutsy ltsp-5.0.25~0.scotty.0
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to work around the problem, i think
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<sbalneav>
Won't that screw up the bzr, though? or no?
22:01
<vagrantc>
no, though any commits you make will change what branch nickname it uses ...
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<sbalneav>
Maybe I should just copy the tree.
22:01
<vagrantc>
you can move it back after you've built the package
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, I'll just cp -r
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<vagrantc>
bzr export ../ltsp-5.0.25~0.scotty.0
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<sbalneav>
ahhhh
22:02
You are wise, oh bearded one!
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<vagrantc>
heh
22:02
hopefully dch won't complain then ...
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<sbalneav>
I'll find out in a minute :)
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<vagrantc>
i'm really smashing my head over this weird problem with the intel PXE implementation
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<ace_suares>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot`>
ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 8 hours, 11 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <ogra> hehe
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Here's another dumb question:
22:25
Ok, so I do an apt-get source nbd-server
22:25
and I get the 3 files and a dir: the nbd-2.6.9
22:25
the .diff.gz
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the .dsc
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and the orig.tar.gz
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I cd into the dir.
22:26
Now, lets say I make a change to the source in the directory.
22:26
if I type pdebuild in that dir, will I get a package build from the source I modified?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: you should, yes.
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Nope. it doesn't.
22:42
sigh.
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<vagrantc>
if you type pdebuild in the directory of the sources that you've modifed, it should use that directory.
22:50
i'm very certain of this.
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unless you didn't change the version number and it doesn't re-generate the .tar.gz ...
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<vagrantc>
so, still having problems PXE booting intel cards ... even tried installing ubuntu feisty, but it has the same problem