IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 27 February 2016   (all times are UTC)

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13:56
<ginkogbp>
hello can any body help me?
13:56
in my pinet client
13:57
IP-Config: no response after ... secs - giving up
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14:01
<ginkogbp_>
hello any body help me please
14:16
the display on client so bad, like a little resolution
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<ginkogbp_>
helo
14:17
hello
14:17
<sebd>
ginkogbp_: install arandr and run it from the thin client. Then choose the right resolution. When you found it and it works, save this setting in a text file.
14:17
Then copy this line in lts.conf
14:18
<ginkogbp_>
how to install and run from client
14:18
?
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<sebd>
ginkogbp_: to install : apt-get install arandr
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(on the server)
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to run : just type arandr
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(as normal user on your rpi)
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15:29
<Hyperbyte>
sebd, why not use xrandr?
15:30
It should be installed already.
15:31
<sebd>
Hyperbyte: arandr is a graphical interface to write xrandr commands, easier for normal user
15:32
s/normal/average
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte, sebd, raspberry PIs currently don't support changing resolutions with RANDR, I think support for that got in the 4.5 kernel :)
16:45
They use a config.txt instead, that the firmware automatically reads from the sd card
16:51
<sebd>
alkisg: hi, I have a question for you : you said you use the same fat chroot for both thin and fat clients. For now I have been using kernel parameters to choose the chroot. From my iPXE boot menu, the user can choose between thin and fat (and local disk). So I'd like to know what kernel option will tell the fat chroot to boot as a thin client (equivalent of lts.conf's LTSP_FATCLIENT).
16:53
ah, I just found /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/03-kernel-cmdline
16:54* sebd always answers himself just after asking ... Brain feature
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<gbaman>
alkisg: Got one for you, issues with Squashfs with Pis. We get a similar issue with every 1-2 out of 20 Pi bootups. A simple reboot usually fixes it, but in this case this user gets it very frequently - http://imgur.com/AvnNm8r
16:56
<alkisg>
sebd: ltsp.ltsp_fatclient=True or False
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<sebd>
thank you alkisg
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<gbaman>
I assumed was dodgy networking gear, although apparently they are using decent equipment
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<alkisg>
gbaman: dunno, I don't have that with ubuntu pi chroot, and I haven't tried raspbian over nbd much
17:06
He could test with a pc, mount /dev/nbd0 and md5sum it, to see if it's a problem with the client or the rest of the infrastructure
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(put the pc in the network socket where the pi is)
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<gbaman>
I doubt it is specifically Pi specific, looks like a squashfs issue
17:06
He says it is random
17:07
It isn't specific Pis. We see the same thing with our setups when it happens
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<alkisg>
So when it happens it happens to all the clients?
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<gbaman>
Nope, just randomly for us 2 or 3, for him is always 5 or 6, but which ones are completely random
17:07
<alkisg>
When he sees that in a pi, tell him to run md5sum /dev/nbd0
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According to you, he'll get the correct md5sum
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<gbaman>
Although our error is slightly different, the Pi very quickly spams squashfs errors as it is booting
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And just keeps spamming rather quickly till you reboot
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<alkisg>
If you see the wrong md5sum there, will you be convinced that it's not a squashfs issue?
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<gbaman>
Ok? But when he reboots the issue will be gone on that Pi
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And can't do the hash on the Pi as it is then dead
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<alkisg>
Does he have epoptes installed? Does the client still show up in epoptes when that happens?
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<gbaman>
It doesn't get anywhere near far enough
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<alkisg>
Does he have epoptes installed?
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<gbaman>
Haven't a clue, I know we do and it doesn't get far enough with our one
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<alkisg>
What do you mean "far enough", this only happens while booting?
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<gbaman>
Yeah
17:13
Only when booting
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We see it most when the classroom set of Pis is fired up, less so when individual ones are fired up one at a time
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<alkisg>
And it never happens after a client is already booted?
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<gbaman>
Nope
17:14
Never
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<alkisg>
OK
17:14
I still think it's not a squashfs issue
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<gbaman>
Is only when they are booting, some will randomly spam with with reading errors
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<alkisg>
Do you want to start with that, to see proof that it's not squashfs related?
17:15
If so, just make an ext4 file system (/opt/ltsp/images/armhf.img), no squashfs theree
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<gbaman>
Ok, what do you think it is then if isn't squashfs? Could equally be NBD related
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<alkisg>
Yup, nbd or networking sounds much more likely to me
17:16
Are you sure the power of your Pis is enough?
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Is it 2A?
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<gbaman>
They are Raspberry Pi 2Bs
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<alkisg>
Power supply, not cpu power
17:16
ampere
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<gbaman>
And it is the randomness of it that causes me to think might be a different issue
17:16
Ohh, yeah our ones are on good power supplies
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<alkisg>
How many amperes, is it 2?
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<gbaman>
Providing about 1.8A, although in most cases 2A
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We use these, although usually with only 4 Pis - http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00OL1M5XO
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<alkisg>
Well, some tests that I would do, is the ext4 test, the md5sum test, and also test while stretching the power supply a bit (md5sum while usb sticks and keyboards/mice are attached etc)
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<gbaman>
They work excellently. We then use addon boards on some Pis which would eat more power, yet it still happens when we aren't
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So I am pretty certain isn't power related
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<alkisg>
And a last test would be an ubuntu chroot, to test a different kernel etc etc
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<sebd>
alkisg: (not related to squashfs on PIs) you mentioned that some benchmarks state that in many cases i386 apps are faster on amd64 hardware - where these reports publicly published somewhere I can see them ?
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<gbaman>
This has been a long standing issue with all the kernels, was even an issue back when we used AUFS
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<alkisg>
gbaman, I've never seen it here though
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sebd: I have only kept the info in my head, I haven't kept any links :)
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<sebd>
alkisg: ok, I'll search the web
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<markit>
alkisg: if you have time, what does "If so, just make an ext4 file system (/opt/ltsp/images/armhf.img)" mean?
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<alkisg>
markit: dd if=/dev/zero of=/opt/ltsp/images/ext4.img; mkfs.ext4 ext4.img; mount armhf.img /tmp/arm; mount ext4.img /tmp/ext4; cp -a /tmp/ext4 /tmp/arm
17:37* markit deconding ;
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<markit>
P
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<alkisg>
I.e. clone the squashfs image to a "loopback" file that has an ext4 file system in it
17:38
It will be larger, but it won't be squashfs
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<markit>
and nbd should be made point at it? I'm lost
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<alkisg>
The file will be served over nbd in both cases
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nbd is the protocol that takes care of the network
17:39
squashfs or ext4 are file systems
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So yup, once the ext4.img is make, it should be moved where armhf.img was
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So that nbd-server finds it
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*is made
17:40
<markit>
ok, thanks!
17:40
<alkisg>
np
17:40
<markit>
really knowing 1/1000 of what you know would increase my skill a lot ;P
17:41
<alkisg>
:P
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