IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 June 2014   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<Ryan52>
and... we have plugins in C now... like, woah.
00:01
<vagrantc>
NX does crazy stuff like shared private keys that always made me a *bit* suspicious
00:02
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: what about XDMCP?
00:02
I thought that in itself had security issues.
00:03
<vagrantc>
it's effectively about as secure as telent
00:03
er, telnet
00:03
<Ryan52>
yeah.. so if they're already planning XDMCP, NX can't be that much worse, right? :)
00:03
<vagrantc>
they're planning a new XDMCP implementation?
00:04
<Ryan52>
that's what they've been saying they're going to use.
00:04
<vagrantc>
do major display managers even support XDMCP?
00:04
gdm had threatened to deprecate it ages ago...
00:05
<Ryan52>
yeah, maybe I misheard. I mean, at first I was like WTF, but then I kept hearing it, so I accepted it as truth. But let me go ask. :)
00:07
<vagrantc>
XDMCP has some silly things, too, like consuming server resources while clients are idle waiting to log in.
00:08
since the login manager is actually running on the server.
00:09
you shouldn't notice a difference in performance with LDM_DIRECTX vs. XDMCP, except for better integration
00:10
<Ryan52>
ok cool, thanks for the info!
00:11
<vagrantc>
of course, then you're using LTSP instead of your adventures in homebrew systems...
00:11
which might be less educational
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00:24
<Ryan52>
ehh that's not quite it.
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00:25
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: what's this xcompmgr?
00:25
i saw greppin the source and it makes no sense to me.
00:26
vagrantc: but yeah, I'd suggest LTSP if they didn't already have a solution in place - not sure where it came from honestly.
00:28
vagrantc: so I looked back at my IRC logs
00:28
I asked what we would use and they said:
00:28
XDMCP
00:28
seems to work pretty good
00:28
vagrantc: this is how big decisions are made :)
00:29
vagrantc: I would really like to gain a better understanding of XDMCP so I can properly tell them what is wrong with their idea.
00:31
vagrantc: is there a "roadmap" for where LTSP is going in the big picture?
00:47
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: it's just basically a cleartext (or nearly so) communications issue...
00:47
Ryan52: so passwords, usernames, entire sessions are viewable by anyone capable of listening on the network
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00:56
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: yeah that's kinda what I thought.
00:57
<vagrantc>
keylogging!
00:57
and the fun part, injection...
00:57
though that's a little harder
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02:09
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: yeah.. unfortunately, when I heard about the project, it was already "done" supposedly.
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03:20
<Ryan52>
s it turns out, XDMCP is fine when you have full control of the hardware and networking, because if that is compromised there are bigger problems.
03:20
*As
03:31
so how's driving the next generation of LTSP?
03:31
*who
03:32
I'm curious how this pam ssh thing will work.. like how will GDM etc get the information it needs?
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03:35
<work_alkisg>
Ryan52: libpam_sshauth means that one will be able to login locally with any means. E.g. he will be able to press alt+ctrl+f1 and login there with any username/password that is valid on the server
03:35
PAM will validate his account by ssh'ing to the server
03:36
It will add that user locally etc. And the LTSP hooks will use sshfs to mount his home directory etc.
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03:38
<Ryan52>
work_alkisg: and that works?
03:38
<work_alkisg>
Yup
03:38
<Ryan52>
I assumed GDM needed to know *some* things from the remote host.
03:38
<work_alkisg>
The hard part is cleaning up the code, to remove all LDM* occurences from ltsp scripts etc
03:39
<Ryan52>
So I guess that's what's left is minor integration details?
03:39
<work_alkisg>
Nah, it doesn't need to know anything about the underlying authentication library
03:39
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=xxx
03:39
...that then needs to be DM specific
03:39
/etc/lightdm/user.conf, or /etc/gdm/*...
03:39
XRANDR_MODE_0 => we need hooks for such things too
03:40
<Ryan52>
Ah, okay, gotcha.
03:41
Yeah, took me a minute to fully wrap my head around that, I just figured it would have hit the filesystem sooner for something.
03:42
work_alkisg: is there a running list of these issues anywhere?
03:44
<work_alkisg>
Not really... I've started writing a few things at http://sync.in/ltsp, but we haven't started coding ltsp 6 yet
03:44
Unfortunately the only developers spending a few hours now and then on ltsp are only vagrantc and me now
03:45
We also have a few more ideas that we want to include in ltsp6, e.g. http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Ltspd
03:45
<Ryan52>
work_alkisg: so this is actually ltsp6? cool!
03:45
<work_alkisg>
So, a couple of months are needed for ltsp6 to take shape, but it appears that noone has the time or resources for that
03:46
Yeah ltsp 6 mostly means pam logins, so no LDM, and ltspd instead of lts.conf/ldm-server
03:47
I wonder if people would be willing to sponsor that
03:47
<Ryan52>
yeah, crowdsource that!
03:47
err.. crowdfund
03:47
err. crowd whatever the word is. I'm bad at this.
03:48
More seriously tho.. I'm honestly trying to think of some creative ways I could get some work done.
03:48
I might be able to find some resources for some smaller projects.
03:48
And I might be able to think of a way to get some hours to spend on it if I'm really creative.
03:48* Ryan52 is personally interested in this.
03:50
<Ryan52>
work_alkisg: and if you find a way to get money to back it, I can definitely allocate hours based on that, but I'm sure there are others more deserving of that vanity than I :)
03:50
everybody wants to get paid to open source.. that's like "the dream" in this world.
03:51
work_alkisg: I'm going to ponder if I can integrate this into any of my research interests, oddly enough.. cause I have some research time that needs new projects.
03:52
Otherwise, depending on how my class schedule pans out, I might be able to see if I can be vagrantc's intern for a term to satisfy degree requirements. not sure on that.
03:53
(vagrantc on paper, only because I know him in person)
03:53
<work_alkisg>
Sure, that'd be nice
03:53
I also asked devs here to put ltsp 6 as a google summer of code project
03:54
jammcq didn't like the idea so we abandoned it
03:55
Sometimes I'm thinking that ltsp has too much legacy and something new is needed
04:02
<Ryan52>
work_alkisg: I was just wondering that ;)
04:02
rebuild from the ground up
04:03
<work_alkisg>
We don't even have a channel operator here anymore
04:03
We can't change the channel topic... :)
04:03
<Ryan52>
why?
04:03
who was it?
04:03
<work_alkisg>
Because all of the initial devs aren't here
04:03
<Ryan52>
we could arrange for a takeover I'm sure.
04:03
work_alkisg: who are the initial devs?
04:06
<work_alkisg>
Ryan52: /msg chanserv access #ltsp list
04:06
sbalneav: can you add me or vagrantc as an operator in #ltsp?
04:08
<sbalneav>
I could, if I was an op :D
04:08
I was never an op :D
04:11
<work_alkisg>
sbalneav: (07:05:57 πμ) ChanServ: (notice) 4 sbalneav +ARiortv [modified ? ago]
04:11
Doesn't that mean you're an op?
04:11
<sbalneav>
am i?
04:11
I didn't think I was!
04:11
<work_alkisg>
Yes, type this: /msg chanserv access #ltsp list
04:11
You'll see the operators list
04:12
You're the only one left here... :)
04:12
<sbalneav>
huh!
04:12
So... how do I op?!
04:12
<work_alkisg>
Not sure, try: /op
04:12
Maybe you need to authenticate as well
04:12
<sbalneav>
says I'm not an op XD
04:13
I should be authed, or with the chanserv?
04:15ChanServ sets mode: +o sbalneav
04:15
<sbalneav>
WHOOOOT
04:15sbalneav sets mode: +o work_alkisg
04:15
<work_alkisg>
Thanks, I'm in some exams so I'll look into how to make that permanent in a few hours...
04:16
I'll make the bot an operator too, so that we can give it commands to perform here
04:16
<sbalneav>
Cool!
04:16
Glad I could help.
04:17
<work_alkisg>
sbalneav: moment!
04:17
<sbalneav>
Yup!
04:17
<work_alkisg>
Hm... I don't want work_alkisg, I want alkisg.... let me see...
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04:18
<work_alkisg>
sbalneav: can you /op alkisg ?
04:18
(brb)
04:20sbalneav sets mode: +o alkisg
04:20
<sbalneav>
DNE
04:20
DONE
04:23
<work_alkisg>
sbalneav: nah, I can't
04:23
Do this: /msg chanserv access #ltsp add alkisg
04:23
Being a temporary operator doesn't allow me to do that
04:24
<sbalneav>
ChanServ (ChanServ@services.): You are not authorized to execute this command.
04:24
Doesn't want me to do it either.
04:24
<work_alkisg>
We probably need jammcq to do that then
04:25
<sbalneav>
I'll bug him tomorrow.
04:25
<work_alkisg>
[07:24] -ChanServ- 2     jammcq                 +AFRfiorstv [modified ? ago]
04:25
[07:24] -ChanServ- 4     sbalneav               +ARiortv [modified ? ago]
04:25
He has more letters than you :P
04:26
<sbalneav>
Well, he's a bigger guy :D
04:27
<work_alkisg>
http://www.magicstar.net/services/chanserv.html#levels
04:27
Haha
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04:38
<work_alkisg>
/msg chanserv help flags
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04:39
<work_alkisg>
+F - Grants full founder access, +f - Enables modification of channel access lists, +s - Enables use of the set command.
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04:54
<work_alkisg>
sbalneav: I think this is the command we want jammcq to execute: /msg ChanServ FLAGS #ltsp alkisg +*
04:54
And, the same one for you too: /msg ChanServ FLAGS #ltsp sbalneav +*
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04:59ChanServ sets mode: +o Lumiere
05:00
<Lumiere>
hi
05:02
work_alkisg, sbalneav: looks like I don't have access either
05:02
I'm around most us 2nd shift's just ping me if you need anything :)
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<santhosh>
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<bennabiy>
Wow, channel ops!
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Does this mean the defunct channel topic is going to be changed?
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