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Channel log from 7 January 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
02:15
<alkisg>
Good morning
02:15
<muppis>
Morning.
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02:19
<muppis>
Oh my.. Runned up bridging problem in my virtual world. DNSMasq runned in router and client doesn't get IP from it.
02:20
kvm based client.
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04:17
<sugoruyo>
hi all, quick question: has anyone here ever set up an LTSP 5 environment over an existing Ubuntu 10.10 64-bit desktop?
04:17
<muppis>
Yes.
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04:18
<muppis>
Doesn't differ from server.
04:19
<sugoruyo>
muppis: do you have any pointers to some good docs on how to do it? I want to use an Atom machine as a thin client and I only have one NIC on the server machine
04:22
<muppis>
sugoruyo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP is good site to start.
04:22
Ok, I lied. It does differ a little. Doesn't need to install X and Gnome, etc... ;)
04:22
<Appiah>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
04:22
"Installing on top of an already running desktop system"
04:23
I bet that's what you are looking for sugoruyo ^
04:25
<sugoruyo>
Appiah: I've already seen that however I am concerned with the one NIC thing
04:26
I also have a question regarding the Ubuntu LTSP impl.
04:26
<Appiah>
what about it?
04:26
<sugoruyo>
how do I install stuff for the LTSP users? meaning if I'm running normally on my PC and install something on it
04:26
<Appiah>
I mostly use 1 NIC on my LTSP installs..
04:26
<sugoruyo>
is that accessible to LTSP users as well
04:26
<Appiah>
sugoruyo: install on server , accessiable to all users
04:27
since they run it from the server..
04:27
<sugoruyo>
or is there something to be done?
04:27
Appiah: without updating the chroot env. right?
04:27
<Appiah>
correct
04:27
install pidgin , all users will have pidgin in their menu (example)
04:27
<sugoruyo>
alright, I'll give it a go, meerkat just finished installing
04:28
also my network already includes a DHCP server (my router)
04:29
<Appiah>
well maybe you should move the dhcping to the router then
04:29
<sugoruyo>
will there be problems with LTSP? I want to use PXE on the client so when it asks for a DHCP lease the router might respond to that first...
04:29
<Appiah>
or your computer
04:29
pick one
04:30
<sugoruyo>
Appiah: moving it to my computer is not an option, moving it to the router is viable so long as I can figure out what needs to be configured
04:30
<Appiah>
even crappy home routers have dhcp options
04:30
<muppis>
But I've found most doesn't have PXE possibility.
04:30
<sugoruyo>
the router is a Cisco 877 so I have quite a few options for configuration of the DHCP server, I just need to know what to configure
04:31
<muppis>
sugoruyo, you can try to set it to DHCP relay and point it to LTSP server.
04:31
<Appiah>
017 , 066 and 067
04:31
Root path , boot-server and bootfilename
04:32
<sugoruyo>
I don't want it always relaying to the LTSP server
04:32
<muppis>
As I tried it one of my own routers, but that part of router fw was buggy. Didn't work at all.
04:32
<sugoruyo>
because this is a home network and the server won't always be on
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<sugoruyo>
so certain things like wifi laptops friends bring along won't work without a hassle
04:33
can I configure the LTSP dhcp daemon to only respond to requests from a certain MAC? haven't looked into that one
04:33
<muppis>
sugoruyo, sure.
04:33
<sugoruyo>
does LTSP use dnsmasq or dhcpd?
04:34
<muppis>
It doesn
04:34
It doesn't really matter.
04:34
<sugoruyo>
muppis: that seems like a better option since it will only concern the LTSP server
04:34
<muppis>
sugoruyo, but you should be able to exclude that mac from Cisco.
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04:35
<sugoruyo>
muppis: yeah, you're right...
04:35
<alkisg>
Or use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
04:36
<Appiah>
use any DHCP server you like
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<Appiah>
the 3 options however is required for ltsp to boot
04:36
thats about it
04:41
<sugoruyo>
so if i configure the router DHCP with the options I could use that and disable the LTSP provided one.... maybe I'll set up a static pool for the thin client
04:43
<muppis>
sugoruyo, or you can configure your Cisco to provide all information about boot progress, assumption based to docs founded from Cisco's site.
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04:51
<muppis>
I'm stuck to made decision. Build old Celeron 800 MHz w/ 512MB RAM for my kids, but do I hardwire it for LTSP or install locally Puppy/Xubuntu/something light and hook up with wlan? There's no existing wiring in house. Suggestions?
04:53
I'm already got LTSP for my HTPC.
04:55
<sugoruyo>
if you don't have any cable to do Ethernet running through your place (we installed our own)
04:55
you should probably go for the local install...
04:55
you could do a local install and maybe try to use the bigger machine with something like nx
04:56
i don't know how good your wifi is but if it's good enough NX should approximate the feel of a bigger machine in a home LAN
04:57
<muppis>
I think my 'bigger machine' would die under load. Already running XP in vm for my wife and has only 1 GB RAM.
04:58
AP is Buffalo G54S with DD-WRT.
04:58
<sugoruyo>
muppis: ouch on the bigger machine
04:59
yeah you couldn't support a VM for XP + LTSP for the HTPC + either NX sessions or LTSP for another machine on 1GB of RAM
04:59
and you'd definitely need a real dual core CPU with some oomph to get you there as well (which I'm guessin' the 1GB RAM machine doesn't have)
05:00
<muppis>
sugoruyo, I know. I'm planning to get better mb for it, so could get more RAM. LTSP is just to boot up the machine, actual HTPC (xbmc) is runned locally.
05:00
E6300 with stock clocks.
05:00
<sugoruyo>
muppis: so the HTPC is a "fat" client?
05:00
muppis: oh so you have a C2D at least
05:01
well those run on DDR2 RAM which is relatively cheap nowadays
05:01
<muppis>
But mb does supports only 2GB of DDR2.
05:01
<sugoruyo>
my machine is also an E6300 stock but I have 3GB 800MHz RAM so I won't crap out under load as easily...
05:02
muppis: yeah those old m/b's (especially early ones) didn't hold much RAM
05:02
<muppis>
sugoruyo, it can be called as fat. It boots up like thin with autologin and Gnome set to autolaunch xbmc as localapp.
05:03
<sugoruyo>
kinda funny when you think about the fact that 64-bit CPUs' main attraction is the ability to address more than 3GB of RAM and most early M/B's for 64-bit system didn't even support 3 gigs of RAM let alone more
05:03
<muppis>
It some sort of crossover-mb. Eats both DDR and DDR2.
05:04
<sugoruyo>
mmmm never been a fan of crossover technological spaghetti
05:04
<muppis>
Got it like freebie along with CPU.
05:05
<sugoruyo>
muppis: on the other hand I've always been a BIG fan of freebies
05:06
<muppis>
Was easy start for me, as got DDR modules lying around.
05:09
<sugoruyo>
muppis: seems like if you've been into computers for a few years you gather up a lot of stuff for different generations of technology...
05:10
a few years ago I had 4 computers running on a generation of Pentium each (Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium 4)
05:11
I also have G3 and G4 as well as an Intel-based Mac
05:11
and lots of other hardware some of which you can't even plug into stuff anymore...
05:13
<muppis>
sugoruyo, since -89 :)
05:13
<sugoruyo>
89 i was like 3 years old :P
05:13
<muppis>
10 years old back then.
05:14
<sugoruyo>
i got into computers in '90 when my father drew me the pictures of the keys I had to press on the k/b to get pacman started
05:14
on an old IBM XT I think
05:14
wasn't that old back then...
05:15
first computer I assembled was a Pentium MMX 233 Mhz which gave me the bragging to the most MHz in the school :P those where the days
05:21
<muppis>
So many of hw that remember anymore..
05:22
<sugoruyo>
I still remember my first CD writer a Philips CDD3610
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07:29
<robehend1>
muppis: Say, reading the logs, saw that you've setup your HTPC to autologin and autolaunch xmbc. How did you get the autolaunching to work?
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<muppis>
robehend1, as usually done in Gnome. Firstly tested from terminal does xbmc launch at all as localapp and then put that command to be launched. If I remember right, it was just ltsp-localapps xbmc
07:39
Ofcourse I have own user created for that purpose.
07:45
<robehend1>
muppis: where would i put the command for say, ltsp-localapps firefox ?
07:46
muppis: kiosk project died on me, so i'm just going to setup autologin by mac address and have firefox auto launch
07:46
<m4xx>
~/.gnomerc maybe?
07:50
<robehend1>
hmm, ill give it a shot. i'm not that familiar with gnome, as I'm an Icewm guy myself.
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08:07
<robehend1>
also, does anyone know of any alternatives to Sabayon to help lockdown Gnome, until Sabayon works?
08:10
!disable_compiz
08:10
<ltspbot>
robehend1: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
08:13
<m4xx>
there's probably a better way but i made a dummy user, changed the settings that i needed then coppied the appropriate files to /etc/skel, mainly ~/.config ~/.gconf and ~/.local
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08:17
<robehend1>
m4xx: did it also copy the panel settings?
08:17
<m4xx>
yes sir
08:17
<robehend1>
hmm
08:17
<m4xx>
but that only works if they're new users
08:17
you would have to copy those to each users ~/
08:17
<robehend1>
that'll work, actually, since I havent deployed this one to kids yet
08:17
i'd just have to delete the users I had put in, which isnt a problem
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<m4xx>
i dont think the actual users
08:18
but their ~/
08:18
<robehend1>
if you delete a users home, will it attempt to make one at login?
08:18
<m4xx>
i think so, if not you can use pam_mkhomedir
08:18
<robehend1>
hmm, well it'll work then, until Sabayon gets fixed
08:19
<m4xx>
once you copy your files to /etc/skel
08:19
i would grep them for your test user name
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08:19
<m4xx>
i do something like this for my .desktop files
08:19
<robehend1>
so i cant just put a Desktop folder in the /etc/skel with my .desktop files in there?
08:19
<m4xx>
export USERNAME=`echo $USER | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' ` && find $HOME -name *.desktop -exec /usr/bin/perl -pi -e "s/%_CONN1USER_%/$USERNAME/g" {} \;
08:20
you CAN
08:20
but you will need to do a fix like i just posted
08:20
<robehend1>
hmm, ok
08:20
<m4xx>
i went through my .desktop files and looked for the test user name and changed it to %_CONN1USER_%
08:21
then that script fires off when they log in and it changes the %_CONN1USER_% to their username
08:21
again, there are probably better ways to do this, but it works for me =]
08:23
<robehend1>
ha there is a way, sabayon ;) if it doesnt crash on ya
08:24
heck, since its only 20 users, i think I'm just gonna manually set them up as I go. they are different grades, afterall, so they'd need different links
08:26
<m4xx>
then you can create a script
08:26
and make different archives
08:27
group a would get archive a extracted to their home dir
08:27
and do it at login
08:27
<robehend1>
hmm
08:27
how would one go about doing that?
08:27
<m4xx>
make a small bash script that fires at login
08:32
<kohen>
exit
08:35
<robehend1>
ah, i get it.
08:35
if i say, archive up .desktop files, would i have to add a chown or chmod into the script, so they could run it? or does tar perserve permissions
08:36
<m4xx>
it would run as their username so it should set the ownership to them
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08:39
<robehend1>
nice
08:39
well, off to that building. thanks for the help
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11:11
<robehend1>
alkisg: I was able to get the kiosk booting to X, but it couldnt find it's browsers after that. I hamboned it into working, but I'm gonna go with broken plugin in 10.04 ;)
11:12
<alkisg>
robehend1: you mean file a bug report?
11:12
If the file is missing, it's surely broken... ;)
11:12
<robehend1>
alkisg: I'm gonna go through the notes I did while I installed and make sure I can replicate first, and if i can, file report
11:13
<alkisg>
The package list shows that the file is not there, no need to reproduce that part
11:13
But as for the others, e.g. X not starting, sure, try to reproduce them
11:13
What was the fix?
11:14
<robehend1>
alkisg: I had to change the KIOSKUSER variable in the kiosk plugin to root, which allowed it to start X from the path. As I said, hambone fix, and not one i'd ever deploy out
11:14
<alkisg>
Ah, no, that's not good patch. Better to get the command line like I told you yesterday and work on it to see what's wrong with it
11:15
<robehend1>
alkisg: tis my plan, after I can replicate
11:20
<muppis>
robehend1, I really don't know where Gnome saves those autolaunches, but it should work sameway like normally setting autolaunching after login.
11:21
In any desktop enviroment.
11:21
<robehend1>
Hmm, ok. I'll play with it this weekend
11:23
<muppis>
As long as you can launch it from terminal, then you should be able to set to be autolaunched with same command..
11:23
<robehend1>
only thing i'm wondering, and i'll have to test, is having the localapp version of firefox launch compared to the server. I'm not sure if rc.d (if thats what i'd use) accepts the ltsp-localapps flag
11:24
<alkisg>
sure, you can just put an "if [ -n "$LTSP_CLIENT" ]; then ltsp-localapps firefox "$@"; fi" in /etc/xdg/autostart
11:27
<robehend1>
and that'll start after ldm login, correct?
11:27
<alkisg>
Yup
11:27
<robehend1>
out of curioisity, where are all these variables defined, anyways? $LTSP_Client and such.
11:28
<alkisg>
The ltsp init scripts read lts.conf, export its variables, and define some of their own for other uses
11:29
<robehend1>
ah that makes sense then. i was just wondering where it was grabbing them from
11:29
<alkisg>
LTSP_CLIENT is auto-determined by the initscripts, it doesn't get that from lts.conf
11:30
It contains the client IP
11:30
<robehend1>
figured it wouldnt pull it from lts.conf, as i've never added it to an lts.conf ;)
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11:45
<yeedl>
hey yall, trying to get ltsp running with a windows dhcp server and having no luck at it
11:47
if i set up the windows machine according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP and my ltsp with http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto is there anything i overlooked?
11:49
do i need to edit /etc/default/tftpd-hpa as well?
11:50
<alkisg>
What message does the client give you?
11:50
No boot filename?
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<alkisg>
Btw, if you're using a windows dhcp server, then you should install the "ltsp-server" package, not "ltsp-server-standalone" as mentioned in that page
11:57
<yeedl>
oy
11:57
i installed the server standalone package and then removed dhcp
11:58
<alkisg>
OK, and the message on the client?
11:58
<yeedl>
lemme boot it up.
11:59
yea, it fails to get an IP, doesnt even get as far as wanting a bootimage
11:59
<alkisg>
Right, so your windows server is misconfigured
12:00
<evil_root>
its disturbing there are even instructions on using windows with linux
12:00
<alkisg>
Try this from the debian server: (su) /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
12:00
Many people are using ltsp with windows... rdesktop, active directory, windows dhcp servers...
12:00
<yeedl>
yeap
12:00
Create a DHCP reservation for the MAC address you obtained
12:00
I skipped that step, would that be a problem?
12:00
errr wait, i did that nm.
12:00
<alkisg>
No
12:01
<yeedl>
evil, heh, we have windows here but wanna use ltsp to boot into terminal services
12:01
<evil_root>
i dont care if people use windows, windows does not count as a server os
12:01* evil_root hates windows and all the problems it causes
12:01
<alkisg>
:)
12:01
yeedl: paste the output of that command to pastebin
12:01
!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
12:02
<alkisg>
(assuming eth0 is on the same subnet as your dhcp server, else put eth1 there)
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12:03
<alkisg>
Heh
12:04
<yeedl>
http://pastebin.com/CUyrZzYV
12:04
<alkisg>
And the debian server ip is?
12:05
<yeedl>
192.168.1.198
12:05
<alkisg>
Hmm are all those 192.168.[0 1 2 3] inside the subnet mask?
12:06
It looks ok though, try removing the mac reservation...
12:06
<yeedl>
afaik it is
12:06
<alkisg>
...and better leave it as /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0, including the slash
12:07
You're not running etch on the server, are you?
12:07
<yeedl>
i did a shady business as booting this vm, it got a dhcp IP, i set it as manual, using the IP, then added a reservation for it on the win server
12:07
not that i know of
12:07
<alkisg>
Lenny? Squeeze?
12:08
<yeedl>
for the 3 things that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP discusses, i put /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 192.168.1.198 and /opt/ltsp/i386
12:08
<alkisg>
Right, maybe you got the reservation wrong
12:08
Try to remove it
12:09
<yeedl>
squeeze
12:09
yea, i feel something went wrong there as well, but there were only 3 things to configure there.
12:09
<alkisg>
VM client? What network booting method does it support?
12:09
<yeedl>
bridged
12:09
<alkisg>
Which vm product?
12:09
<yeedl>
virtualpc
12:10
:-/
12:10
<alkisg>
Maybe it doesn't have a proper firmware for network booting, try booting it with a gpxe iso or floppy
12:10
<yeedl>
was gunna migrate it to hypervisor once finished messing with it
12:10
<alkisg>
!gpxe
12:10
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
12:10
<yeedl>
it pxe boots just dandy with WDS
12:11
<alkisg>
E.g. maybe it requires the boot filename to be inside the dhcp structure and not as an option
12:11
Try gpxe, it'll also tell you exactly what the dhcp server gives
12:11
<yeedl>
aha
12:11
alrighty, give me some time
12:12
thanks btw, quite new with linux here
12:12
<alkisg>
n
12:12
np
12:13
yeedl: I recommend downloading gpxe 1.0.0 and not 1.0.1 nor the git version
12:14
<yeedl>
could this be because my IP settings are funky on my ltsp server?
12:14
<alkisg>
The ltsp server could be *powered off* and the client should still try to boot
12:15
I.e. get an ip and *then* fail with "could not download <filename>" etc
12:15
So it's not an ltsp server fault at this point
12:16
<yeedl>
gotcha
12:17
its not getting an IP from the windows dhcp server, not getting as far as ltsp.
12:17
hmph
12:18
<alkisg>
Press ctrl+b
12:18
you'll get a command prompt
12:18
type: dhcp net0
12:18
config
12:18
There you'll see what it gets from the dhcp server, if anything
12:20
You can also try removing the mac reservation and/or booting with a real client, not a vm one
12:21
<yeedl>
ctrl+b on the ltsp or on the client?
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12:24
<yeedl>
ahh
12:25
on the gpxe
12:25
alright
12:25
i used gpxe and did config and got a whole nice list
12:26
the 3 items i configured on the winserver, filename, rootpath and server hostname are not specified
12:27
so, yea, clearly windows isnt sending out what i tell it to
12:27
<alkisg>
So there's something wrong with your dhcp server
12:27
Try #windows :D
12:27
(or remove the reservation)
12:27
<yeedl>
lol
12:30
hmph.
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12:37
<robehend1>
yeedl: I just know how to do that
12:37
yeedl: make the reservation as normal
12:37
yeedl: then, go into your DHCP console, right click on the reservation, and select "configure options"
12:37
yeedl: otherwise, it pulls the same options you have defined for the scope
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12:40
<yeedl>
hm
12:40
lemme give that a try
12:40
<robehend1>
yeedl: I have to do that with my reservations on my windhcp. took a bit to figure out
12:41
<yeedl>
what do you mean, make it as normal?
12:42
<robehend1>
yeedl: make the reservation based on mac address normally. no need to do anything special at that point
12:42
<yeedl>
i found it in my dhcp console, right clicked and selected Add to Reservation
12:42
and then added those 3 attributes to that resrevation
12:42
<robehend1>
ok, so you have a reservation made, correct?
12:43
<yeedl>
oh, yeap, I took it from the dhcp list
12:43
<robehend1>
yeedl: Ok. in your DHCP console, expand the reservations tree.
12:43
and you should see your reservation listed, correct?
12:44
<yeedl>
yeap
12:45
<robehend1>
k, in the tree pain, rightclick on your reservation, and select "configure options"
12:45
that'll let you set your bootfile and such JUST for the reservation.
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<yeedl>
right
12:46
i added those 3 items
12:46
clicked apply
12:47
<robehend1>
and do they show up in the right hand side, with a blue computer and gear icon?
12:47
<yeedl>
then restarted dhcp
12:47
sure do
12:47
<robehend1>
hmm, weird then. thats exactly what i did, and am using it right now
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12:48
<yeedl>
erm.
12:48
i think that is all you need to do, it should be that easy.
12:48
<robehend1>
well, this *is* windows here..lets not get hasty
12:50
<yeedl>
perhaps its not liking it cuz im pulling it from dhcp
12:50
<robehend1>
did you delete the lease?
12:50
<yeedl>
imma try get it a static IP, see if that changes anything
12:50
hmm the lease
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<yeedl>
inside reservations for the IP, it says lease, default bootp class
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12:52
<yeedl>
but under the address leases, it says reservation(active) type none
12:52
<robehend1>
well, then its getting an IP
12:53
you sure you did the right Mac?
12:53
<yeedl>
i didnt type in a mac address
12:54
<robehend1>
ok, try putting hte MAC address for your client into your reservation
12:54
<yeedl>
alrighty
12:54
<robehend1>
that way, you can be sure that only that client will pull that address. If your doing reservations and want it to work, thats the way to be
12:54
<yeedl>
i added the reservation from the dhcp list, and that list has the mac address
12:54
does it matter what it says for supported types?
12:55
<robehend1>
i put both
12:55
<yeedl>
the mac address is already tehere
12:55
<robehend1>
wait, how are you adding the reservation. Are you just rightclicking "reservations, and going "new reservation"?
12:55
<yeedl>
and it is correct
12:56
i right-clicked inside Address Leases and selected Add to Reservation
12:56
<robehend1>
odd, mine only has delete and refresh there. You on Win2k3 or Win2k8?
12:58
<yeedl>
2k8\
12:59
<robehend1>
ah, that could be it. I'm 2k3
12:59
<yeedl>
hmph
12:59
dunna why itd be different tho
12:59
<robehend1>
its windows
12:59
<yeedl>
hah
12:59
<robehend1>
same reason they decided to screw with group policy between 2k3 and 2k8
12:59
<yeedl>
i like the preferences tho
13:00
goodbye login script
13:00
<robehend1>
i liked login scripts
13:00
easy to test, even easier to deploy, and SUPER easy to transport between domains
13:00
<yeedl>
i did too :-p, much more transparent than the curiosity of preferences
13:00
<robehend1>
all my settings are done via login script at the moment.
13:09
<yeedl>
oh buddy
13:10
<robehend1>
hmm?
13:10
<yeedl>
is it possible i should have configured those 3 items under Server Options instead of adding the ltsp from Reservations?
13:10
<robehend1>
eh, try Scope options instead of server options
13:10
that way it'll only apply to your current scope
13:11
<yeedl>
word
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<robehend1>
mind you, that'll apply to any other clients who are set to dhcp boot
13:11
er, pxe boot
13:11
so you may get some frantic user calling
13:12
<yeedl>
thats fine, none of our machines are set to pxe boot
13:12
<robehend1>
all mine are, but thats just for remote imaging
13:12
<yeedl>
aha
13:13
<robehend1>
got it?
13:15
<yeedl>
dhcp restarting, will see in a sec
13:15
what do yall use for remote imaging?
13:17
got it :D!!
13:17
robehend1: you rock.
13:17
<robehend1>
only at windows. Glad to see my MCSE is worth something
13:17
and I use FOG for imaging
13:18
also, you shouldnt have to restart DHCP for those settings to take place. It'll hand it out to the client when it goes for an IP, as long as its not in the leases table
13:23
<yeedl>
oh bummer
13:23
the hostname isnt specified, no IP
13:24
<muppis>
MS DHCP ?
13:24
<yeedl>
yeap
13:24
<muppis>
Sounded just likeit. :)
13:24
<yeedl>
atleast thats what gpxe tells me
13:26
hah, ms says: Microsoft does not support the use of these options on a DHCP server to redirect PXE clients
13:26
how pleasant of them
13:27
woot. it works. now to get ltsp up and going.
13:28
<muppis>
:)
13:29
<alkisg>
robehend1: what's your opinion on fog? Is it worth the time to setup it properly?
13:32
<robehend1>
alkisg: yes, I've had very good luck on this.
13:32
<alkisg>
How are you using it? For backup/restore, or also for cloning?
13:33
<robehend1>
all of the above
13:33
i create my golden image, upload it, then deploy it out to a whole lab via multicast
13:33
<alkisg>
Oooh multicast... so (after you spend a week to prepare a golden image) you have a lab ready in < 1 hour?
13:34
<robehend1>
20 min, usually
13:34
<alkisg>
Sounds good, I wish I used it when I still had windows labs :D
13:34
Does it work ok with linux images?
13:34
<yeedl>
hows it compare to litetouch/wds?
13:34
<robehend1>
alkisg: havent tried with linux, but it should support it
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<robehend1>
yeedl: faster, but wont change the HCL. on the plus side, with the plugins, you can have it autojoin domains and autochange the host name
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<robehend1>
ha, primary example of windows being stupid: Even though a students H: drive is defined to \\thor\students\%username% , it insists on mounting \\thor\students
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<yeedl>
perhaps you need another slah?
13:44
<robehend1>
nah, all of em are like that. I even went into his AD user account and verified that his folder was showing up correct. It just decided to not listen, and mount the whole student folder
13:45
<Pweg>
do you name all your servers after norse gods? :D
13:45
<robehend1>
indeed i do
13:45
<Pweg>
you are awesome
13:45
<robehend1>
Thor, Odin, Loki, Freya, and the domain is Ragnarok
13:45
I do greek at the elementary :)
13:45
<Pweg>
that's frightening, haha
13:46
<robehend1>
I enjoy the little things
13:46
<Pweg>
aye, I get a kick out of that as well
13:46
<robehend1>
like naming our Testnav servers Loki and Dionysus
13:46
<Pweg>
heh
13:46
<robehend1>
only thing that threw me for a loop is when one of our past students thought this was amazing, as it reminded him of some anime called Full metal alchemist or something..
13:47
<Pweg>
yea that show has references to the names, not the beings though
13:47
<m4xx>
that's a good cartoon, you should check it out
13:47
;x
13:47
<Pweg>
ah, youth. :D
13:47
<robehend1>
still, the little things make me happy. espicially when the kids accept them
13:48
such as our latest wallpaper including the "Awesome Face"
13:48
<Pweg>
we thrive on punny names here
13:48
<robehend1>
its boring to remote into NT1
13:48
<Pweg>
hehe
13:48
<robehend1>
But if your remoting into Thor? By thunder, I'm down.
13:48
<Pweg>
indee
13:48
d*
13:49
<robehend1>
i also enjoy setting all the computers to boot into CLI mode on April 1st each year
13:49
<Pweg>
:P
13:50
<robehend1>
or playing with the host file so when they attempt to go to Facebook, it redirects them to http://www.webhamster.com/
13:50
<muppis>
robehend1, and not being available to fix it?
13:50
<robehend1>
muppis: nah, it gets fixed quickly. teachers know about it in advance ;)
13:51
<muppis>
robehend1, ah.
13:51
<robehend1>
enjoy my job to much to not tell them ;)
13:51
<Pweg>
haha
13:51
<muppis>
Heh.
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14:19
<yeedl>
so i should install ltsp-server and not ltsp-server-standalone if i want windows to do dhcp?
14:19
<robehend1>
yep
14:19
<yeedl>
any additional packages after that?
14:19
<robehend1>
else you'll get dhcp3 server, which you'll just have to remove
14:19
not for a basic ltsp, no.
14:20
<yeedl>
gotcha
14:21
<robehend1>
how are you looking to deploy LTSP?
14:21
<yeedl>
want it to connect to our TS
14:21
so i should follow these directions basically: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ?
14:21
<robehend1>
are you using debian?
14:21
<yeedl>
yup
14:21
<robehend1>
then yep
14:21
<yeedl>
#! with squeezy
14:22
<robehend1>
is your ts win2k8?
14:22
<yeedl>
yup
14:22
<robehend1>
i dont t hink that rdesktop supports that new network level authentication module in win2k8
14:23
<yeedl>
i saw that rdesktop only supports rdp5.0
14:23
didnt know if thatd be an issue tho
14:23
<robehend1>
i've had issues hooking up to win2k8 tsgateways with rdesktop. issues as in impossible
14:23
<yeedl>
but i regularly use rdesktop to connect to our TS from home
14:23
<robehend1>
ah. well worth a shot then
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<yeedl>
alright, this project will wait til monday, gotta jet. thanks again robehend1
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<komunista>
please, I am playing with settings in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf, but I cannot get SQUASHFS_IMAGE to work
15:00
I try SQUASHFS_IMAGE="true" and SQUASHFS_IMAGE="True" but without succes
15:00
how I need set it?
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<staffencasa>
did you try it without quotes?
15:10
<vagrantc>
komunista: what linux distro?
15:11
<komunista>
Debian
15:11
testing
15:12
<vagrantc>
komunista: does it work with the --squashfs-image commandline option?
15:13
<komunista>
vagrantc: yes, this works OK
15:14
<vagrantc>
odd.
15:14
<knipwim>
the SQUASHFS_IMAGE config file option only works with lenny
15:14
<vagrantc>
i don't see how that's possible.
15:14
<knipwim>
i see in the plugin
15:14
if [ "True" = "$SQUASHFS_IMAGE" ] && [ "$DIST" = "lenny" ]; then
15:14
<vagrantc>
knipwim: no, that's a special-casing for that
15:14
special-casing for lenny
15:15
<knipwim>
check, you're right
15:15* vagrantc knows vagrantc's way around debian
15:16
<komunista>
:-)
15:18
vagrantc: please, where I can find the config file parsing?
15:19
<vagrantc>
there's no parsing, it simply sources the file
15:20
<knipwim>
do your other config file options work?
15:20
<komunista>
vagrantc: OK I have it
15:20
<vagrantc>
?
15:21
<komunista>
I find file, where config is sourced
15:21
my english is not perfect ;-)
15:21
<vagrantc>
it's very simple ...
15:21
i mean, what it does, not your english :)
15:22
komunista: try with the --debug and see if it loads it
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<komunista>
ok
15:24
but config file must be readed, because other params here are used...
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<vagrantc>
i don't see how it could possibly not work with SQUASHFS_IMAGE=True
15:25
non-intuitively, it doesn't use the typical booleans, so it is specifically True
15:25
<komunista>
maybe my mistake... I will see
15:25
<vagrantc>
a typo?
15:26
at least, that is, if the --squashfs-image commandline works
15:26
the only difference in the code with using the --squashfs-image commandline is that it sets the SQUASHFS_IMAGE="True"
15:27
komunista: you could also put "set -x" at the top of the 095-sqaushfs-image module
15:28
that would give you more information about what it's doing... oh, and "set +x" at the bottom of it as well.
15:28
we've never made as much use of the debug options as we should
15:28
to increase the verbosity a bit
15:29
<komunista>
debug option is not very good - a lot of lines :-)
15:29
<vagrantc>
i should make a habit of using debug for comments or something
15:29
<komunista>
I will add some echo and exit 1, to see what I want
15:29
<vagrantc>
komunista: if you exit, you'll likely have problems, since the same file is sourced multiple times
15:30
or at least, exit conditionally
15:30
<komunista>
but I will see, if the variable value in conditions...
15:30
...has proper value
15:31
it is not in product machine - only VBox playing
15:31
<vagrantc>
well, i assumed that :)
15:31
but just be aware to reduce your debugging time that each plugin is sourced multiple times
15:35
<robehend1>
have a good weekend, all
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<komunista>
vagrantc: in configure and before-install mode, all seems to work as expected, now I am building whole chroot to see finalization mode, this take time :-P
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<vagrantc>
yup
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<komunista>
hmm, now it works
16:20
maybe I forgot save file when I change from true to True :-(
16:25
vagrantc: yes, it works again, it was my mistake, I am sorry
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<vagrantc>
komunista: i think that plugin was written before the boolean_is_true function was available on the server-side package
16:28
it should be updated to use boolean_is_true
16:29
<komunista>
there is more plugins with it
16:29
*without boolean_is_true
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<vagrantc>
i can update it is source, but it's too late in the freeze to update for debian.
16:32
<komunista>
vagrantc: no problem for me, but good idea for future use, for others too
16:40
vagrantc: here http://paste.lubomirr.eu/45485 is simple skeleton for ltsp-build-client.conf with some example values, maybe will be usefull for you
16:41
what about adding it to ltsp-server examples?
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