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hi, anyone using iTalc? I'm a bit confused about the info on how make it work with ltsp, many seems outdated
also seems to need to create a client stattup script, but I'm not sure
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how does authentication with ltsp work?
do the user accounts have to live on the master server, or on the chroot on the master server?
worr: not in the chroot, but on the server they log into.
Ok, cool. thanks
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I generally don't need to install anything in the chroot, since you just log in to the main server?
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markit, what distro? here is opensuse one http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/iTALC
more here http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=ITALC_in_a_ThinClient_environment
cyberorg: kubuntu 10.04
seems outdated, it refers to ubuntu 8.04
also seems that I need static ip for the clients, while my current setup is dhcp
I've read somewhere else that some implementation uses avahi for client discovery
also I don't undestand if itac client is automatically installed and run in the thin clients
yes i think there is stgraber's ppa for ubuntu that has avahi magic
italc does not require installation in client chroot
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cyberorg: reading some post in italc ml, seems there are many things broken or don't work as expected
cyberorg: do you use italc yourself?
mm I've to run now, we will talk later
thanks a log
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someone help me up with clonezilla or is there a better channel for that ?
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ok maybe someone knows this mornin why this netgear gsm-7324 layer 3 stackable switch is not allowing this HP thin client box to not recieve the tftp file it needs. I have spanning-tree disabled and dhcp disabled on switch and still no go. It works fine on a hub by itself but i already tested two layer 3 switchs and nada
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munson: does dhcp request go through normally to the same server?
the ltsp server is the dns and dhcp server, thin clients pick up address but still pxe-e3b file not fount bs
which tftp server are you using?
one of the docs said to install the tftpd-hpa one
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this is the lts 8.04 edition
which dhcp server you use?
thereś lts dhcp and regular dhcp3 but authoritative is the lts one
from what i read was modify the lts dhcpd.conf and make it authoritative and restart the dhcp3-server
im thinking of using the win2008 server box for dhcp and try that
Have you tried dumping the network traffic when the tftp request arrives to the server?
have wireshark but newb at that...i checked the info goin to the servers ip and sees dhcp req and ack but nada else
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So no tftp request at all?
Do you have next-server defined in your dhcpd.conf?
looked a lil further and does show somethin /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 but not sure if it was ¨offering¨ or somethin...newb at it. Should it says somethin
ya pointing to this ltsp server box
i can paste bin it
That'd be good
can you also paste the tshark dump of the tftp traffic?
like i said this is the 2nd layer 3 stackable switch we tried
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yes, wireshark, tshark is just the command line version that I always keep using..
oh got a simple command for that then for me?
or i can load up the gui and see if i can dump it somehow
tshark -i eth1 -R tftp
something like that
munson: I've seen this before. Check to ensure portfast is not active
kk iĺl check router real quick too
vmlintu, installing tshark, wireshark-common on this box real quick
On Cisco gear portfast is the first thing to check, but if I remember correctly, then dhcp requests don't get through either..
I've seen something like this with Juniper switches at one school also.. Connecting directly to the switch didn't work, but first connecting a small 8-port switch in between made it work
ya dumb hub or switch works fine
gotta go thru this webGUI of router....brb
dumb hub might be removing things like VLAN, check to make sure there is just a default VLAN on there and tagging it all disabled
ya i have my seperate vlan away from others on network
set this up for more security
vlan != security
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oh, we've also experienced issues with certain switch vlans and ltsp booting
this is classroom so ya i set cisco 2600, layer 3 switch
UDP Helper isn't enabled is it?
Is the server connected to the same switch as the thin client? And are you using gigabit ports or 100mbps ports?
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yes ltsp is on switch have like 12 computers on switch including 2 hp thin clients
I remember once with hp switches the server sent udp packets as jumbo frames and those were split in smaller pieces when they hit some 100mbps port on the way. Those segments didn't arrive to the thin client in the right order..
Are you using flow control somewhere?
Forward BPDU while STP Disabled - disabled....hmm and flow control no i never setup anything like that i can double check its default settings
and another thing this Force Protocol Version - IEEE 802.1w or .1d or .1s ....dunno what those switchs are for its under the spanning tree setup
So now your test setup that is having problems is using one switch only where everything is connected?
tried a d-link dgs-3324 layer 3 as well and no go
Seeing the tftp dump might help..
and that was even the defualt right out of the box kinda switch and no go
kk lemme load up wireshark
tshark -i eth1 -R "tftp or bootp
That should dump both tftp and dhcp
Just to see how far it gets
¨tftp or bootp¨ or just one of them
tshark -i eth1 -R "tftp or bootp"
k nothing on tftp ;( but bunch of dhcp
but the thin client says that it's trying to do a tftp request?
ya got ip from dhcp then pxe-t01 file not found pxe-e3b bs
47.189196 192.168.3.1 -> 192.168.3.50 DHCP DHCP Request - Transaction ID 0x155cc85d
47.215515 192.168.3.50 -> 192.168.3.44 DHCP DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0x155cc85d
47.245751 192.168.3.50 -> 192.168.3.1 DHCP DHCP ACK - Transaction ID 0x155cc85d
that's all you got?
yup bunch of dhcp bs
discover, offer, request crap
Is there a lot of traffic in the network if you try to dump everything?
tshark -i eth1
only thing im on is xchat, my lab partner is readin this toon so he off the net
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munson: Now that I think of it, I remember once seeing some thin clients that put the port down after getting dhcp response. That made the switch to disable the port for a second..
If you don't get any kind of tftp request to the server and the same thin client works if there's a dumb hub in between, that could be the case..
25.696035 DigitalS_87:6e:30 -> HewlettP_39:f8:c0 ARP Who has 192.168.3.44? Tell 192.168.3.50
but ya nada on tftp
well whats up with ltsp-update-image and at end it said somethin bout port 2000?
2000 is for nbd
nbd comes after tftp
k so forget bout that port...ok now the thing on this hp thin client box do i have to disable/enable somethin?
Do you use port security or something like that?
no i never set it up
said somethin bout UDP relay?
does it have something like that?
ya has udb relay config on router, also notice BOOTP/DHCP Relay Agent Configuration
I haven't used Netgear switches myself, so I don't know what that would do..
Information Option Mode (82)
ya i ¨tested¨ many diff options already lol
there is no ACL configured
Does it have port shadowing/mirroring?
ya i seen somethin bout port mirroring but i never enabled anything on that
I've used that on some HP switches to see what actually arrives to the port..
But I really cannot say if it'd help here..
there is Traffic Control such as Global Broadcast Storm Control , Global Multicast Storm Control , Global Unicast Storm Control
802.3x Flow Control Mode
I remember that some Juniper switches would have required a firmware update to work with pxe.. I hope that's not the case here..
this is latest firmware
i have a trouble ticket out there to netgear on this issue as well...damn expensive layer 3 switch lol....but like i said also tried different one so not entirely sure if hp thin client box is the fault or its the switch
oooh my bad there is a new one lol
was thinkin of somethin else
kk brb lemme upgrade firmware
is this for schoolwork? like, they give you this equipment and tell you to make it work? Seems kind of weird that they'd give you equipment that wouldn't normally work
ya me and lab partner doin everything on our own pretty much
learned routers before everyone, switchs blahblah
now setting up thin clients our new project
i setup a pbx phone system for us already
oh yeah, what kind
I really don't have much ideas anymore.. It's probably some checkbox somewhere that makes it work..
pbx is asteriskNOW centos5 version with freepbx
setup 5 phone numbers....why 5 numbers haha i dunno just learnin
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ah, yeah that's neat stuff
what's the model of that switch again
and your clients are getting ip addresses but no tftp?
thats why i was figuring out if i had wrong info in dhcpd.conf but all seems right to me
I see there's a DHCP/BOOTP relay feature.. not really familiar with, but maybe check settings in there.. make sure that's all disabled or set to 'dumb' mode
ya thereś DHCP, BOOTP, NONE and tried all 3 lol
like i said i tried lots of trial and error
but hey brb...quick smoke break
got the new firmware d/l now as well
k brb gonna update the firmware, gotta logout
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stgraber: I have a question for you about italc when you have a moment
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ugh since I tried to install sabayon in my chroot yesterday my dpkg is giving me a n error
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if anyone wants to take a look at this, not really sure what's going on
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vbundi, you don't install sabayon in the chroot
that is.. unless you're using fat clients..
agh I was going to ask yesterday, but I thought 'no dummy, of course you install it in the chroot...'
it gets applied during login
no I'm using them as thin clients
so it happens on the server side
ohh like a profile thing
that's exactly what it is for
just make sure you're using the one from sbalnaev's ppa
shit I guess I should have read something before I started installing
not the one in the repos
unless you're using lucid
i told you that yesterday
oh yes, I AM using lucid
ok.. then you're probably fine
ask sbalneav for sure tho
i'm assuming he got the important bits in before that
ah, I see he's got lucid packages too
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please, I want translate the ldm to the slovak, but can't find any instructions about sending, pot update, etc
can someone point me, please
The .pot's are there, and to send the po you can file a debian bug - see the other ones there
(it doesn't matter what distro you actually use)
I go to read it
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I have LTSP on Lucid beta and I am seeing TFTP permission errors
has anyone else seen these?
I'm seeing the error on a build from last night. Building a new thin client as we speak based on an update this morning
hmm.. that reminds me..
i still can't seem to get nbdswap to work
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how does one get it to work in karmic?
new build as of this morning. Still getting TFTP access violation
any hints on where to look ?
sverma: I tested latest beta ubuntu today (via VBox) and all seems to work OK, but I have custom (manual) LTSP installation
after installation ltsp-server-standalone, I need manual tftpd-hta installation
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where are the tftpd logs?
maybe i can look in there
somebody should ban schily from talking on cdrtools/wodim related bugs
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ah.. i think it works now
sverma, probably in /var/log/messages if nothing was specified
syslog shows bootfile name: /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 but I get forbidden directory and tftp error on the client
I am using dnsmasq instead of dhcpd because I have no control over the campus dhcp server
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I enabled tftp in the /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf and uninstalled tftpd-hpa
it boots now
yes, dnsmasq has built-in tftp server...
in karmic, I was using tftpd-hpa and disabled tftp server in dnasmasq, and it worked
client seems to be sitting at the "ubuntu" logo with five dots...
well, at least it got this far
sverma: replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset" in pxelinux.cfg/default
I get udhcpc: no lease, failing
I've seen this before on jaunty, I think...
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What is the best method to be used to support the stations? VNC, iTALC, vino??
tried different thin clients, but no luck
udhcpc continues to loop and fails to discover a dhcp server
Barbosa, italc if you need that kinda integration
I may have to back up the user data and reinstall from scratch
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any good links to discussions of upgrading Ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04?
ubuntu.com? ubuntu wiki?
or do you mean in relation to ltsp?
in relation to LTSP. I know it's Beta, but am concerning that the really good "out of box" LTSP5 in 9.10 seems to be badly broken with a live-upgrade to 10.04
atkuepker, i think it's best to drop the chroot and start over
that's what i do
altho.. in the age of local apps.. it might not be best anymore..
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sorry. got pulled into a meeting.
we don't do local apps, but am not happy with Ubuntu over-writing config files with the live upgrade. TFTP is pretty much broken until I get around to manually re-configuring it.
it always asks me if i want to upgrade config files
and i get teh choice to skip them
not sure what you're doing :)
perhaps it requires fixes to the package itself tho
some of them were prompted. /etc/default/tftpd-hpa wasn't =/
must require a package mod then
guess you should ask an ubuntu dev if that is the case
oh frabjous joy...
and if it's supposed to be part oth the package
file a bug
and get somebody to fix it
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doh. Google had a #ltsp log from a few weeks back where someone reported the same problem.
I'll see if there's another bug floating out there. I know I hate it when my users file a bunch of duplicates. =)
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alkisg: I am sorry, is this enough, please: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577705 ?
komunista: i can commit that later today.
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komunista: vagrantc is the right person to ask about localization, he just wasn't around when you asked, that's why I answered instead :)
I tested it in virtual machone now, and one small problem is here
the LDM messages are translated, but the Preferences button not
IMHO it is about GTK localization dependency...
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in ubuntu 9.04 I have language-pack-gnome-sk-base for this, but this is not installed by default
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komunista: it's been fixed in Lucid
the translations of ldm got out of the language packages and are with ldm now
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as I wrote - it is small problem :-)
the LTSP is wery good job!
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I am using this more than one year...
lns_, right here?
must be a ghost ?
kill your ghosts
/msg Nickserv HELP
it'll tell you the options
johnny: hold on, checking w/the wife at home to see if i still have it open there :)
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ah, i love having a wife that knows how to use the shell ;)
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|15:17||* Lns is on Debian Lenny LTSP atm|
vagrantc: ^^^ =)
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I'm impressed with the debian backports!
Even newer versions on some stuff than in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (gasp!) ;)
of course :)
I had no idea about backports. I always opted to used a mixed release system..which...didn't always work...out so well
this is like the best of both worlds
is the original debian ltsp still without nbd?
komunista: yes, uses nfs
i see almost no difference in speed though..debian actually seems faster (though that could be because of the system overall, including my hardware)
plus the gnome panel drawer applet doesn't lag when you open it! =p been annoyed by that bug for a looooong time
anyway..i've had some pretty strong coffee this morning so please don't mind my babbling on
ah, hardware, I calculate the RAM requirements from edubuntu cookbook and then multiply it by 2, but 4 GB RAM is not enough for 15 Gnome machines...
komunista: sure it is, I'd wager
then I do not use gnome. I walk throught fluxbox and openbox to fvwm
for now I am playing with lxde...
komunista: it really depends on what you're running UNDER gnome, but I would definitely think 4GB is plenty for just 15 terminals
I am not gnome user, maybe some tunning is needed, but only gnome (any other apps) and cca 3 GB RAM is used
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under light WM it is about 1.2 GB for 15 clients
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very nice. We're well over 12GB for 50 with gnome and firefox.
yikes!! what distros/releases are you all running?
komunista: lxde rocks!
first desktop environment to support LTSP shutdown/reboot :)
vagrantc: wow , how I can shutdown from LXDE, please?
only with the latest version of lxsession, 0.4.4
I trying only 0.4.3, backported to the 9.04
only one problem with lxpanel I found - the menu-cached not exits on logout...
but small cron script solve this :-)
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I rebuilt my chroot and now my clients are not getting lts.conf, getltsconf -a shows nothing
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and lts.conf exists?
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vbundi: that usually is a problem with the dhcp "boot filename" option, as the ltsp initramfs scripts look for lts.conf in the same location where the bootfile is
what's it supposed to be /opt/ltsp/arch/boot/pxelinux.0
in my dhcp I have filename /ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0
but on the system, locate pxelinux.0 shows a different path
and lts.conf on the same directory
Can you post your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
ohh I guess that would make sense, /var/lib/tftboot/ is the tftp root, and filename /ltsp/amd/pxelinux.0
my dhcp server is on another machine, I'm using the next-server option... I had it working until I wrecked it.... one sec I"ll get it for ya
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that's the line I pass to my client
Yeah looks good. Do you see anything in daemon.log? I.e. tftp misses?
yikes, got a got of ldminfod: connect from 192.168.1.23 (192.168.1.23)
I think that terminal probably wasn't rebooted when I redid things and rebooted the server etc
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alkisg: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf http://pastebin.org/149846
vbundi: which ubuntu version is that?
can you add --verbose to TFTP_OPTIONS in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa, and then restart tftpd?
Then look at daemon.conf, you should be seeing the requests, e.g.:
Apr 14 01:18:19 alkis in.tftpd: RRQ from 10.160.31.10 filename /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
Apr 13 16:19:04 ubuntuServer in.tftpd: RRQ from 192.168.1.20 filename /ltsp/amd64//lts.conf
I don't see where my typo would be though
No, that would be code
Is it a recent installation?
I.e. you didn't install alpha1 or such, right?
I did install alpha1 and have been upgrading it since... however... I screwed up my chroot today and rebuilt it
I'm using straber's repo
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It shouldn't make any difference, lucid has more recent versions than stgrabers repo right now afaik
Can you put break=init in pxelinux.cfg/default ?
yeah where does it go again
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append ro initrd=initrd.img nomodeset break=init
(or something like that)
I got my test server with karmic working with beta2. seems to be ok once I hand-configured the TFTP service was overwritten.
alkisg: alright. done.. (didn't have nomodeset in there tho)
vbundi: now, reboot the client, you'll get a busybox shell. cat /tmp/net-eth0.conf and paste the filename line there
grep tftppath /scripts/ltsp_nbd
I have to run for a bit, I might have to bug you tomorrow
tftppath="$(echo "$filename" | sed -n 's,\"*\(.*/\)[^/]*,\1,p')"
Do you see that line? ^^
the next line is i386 though
no reference to amd64 only i386
vbundi: no that's not the problem, it's the line that I pasted
OK, I'll have a look at it, talk to you tomorrow
thanks for the help
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Try putting that change to your ltsp_nbd, and update your initramfs & ltsp-kernels...
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hmm.. anybody seen an issue with karmic in which the volume starts automatically lowering itself?
i've seen this with mplayer and exaile
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I wish it would quit resetting itself to 70% on ours at each login.
especially considering that 15% is quite enough for the onboard speaker in our Compaq terminals
atkuepker, you can set that
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