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Channel log from 19 October 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<jimjimovich>
Hi everyone
02:45
Is it possible to print form local apps on a thin client to a printer attached to that thin client?
02:46
I installed cups but it doesn't automatically recognize the printer, I figure I need to configure it, but I'm not sure how to do that
02:46
<muppis>
Yes. Look for lts.conf
02:47
<jimjimovich>
I have lts.conf configured and all is well for apps running on the server, but when running locally, it doesn't see the printers
02:49
<Appiah>
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4AC4CF77.4040904%40arkki.info&forum_name=ltsp-discuss (Aout printing from local app)
02:56
<alkisg>
Try also accessing http://127.0.0.1:631 from the local browser
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<jimjimovich>
alkisg: that works and i see my local cups server but there are no printers there. is it possible to have local apps print to the cups server on the ltsp server?
03:08
<alkisg>
Erm, you asked about thin => thin,
03:08
not thin => server - which one do you want?
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<jimjimovich>
well, i wanted thin => thin, but started reading the links about it and see that people are doing thin => server and thought that might be better
03:09
sorry about that confusion
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<alkisg>
Then installing cups on the chroot + publishing the printers on the server should automatically do it without adding anything to lts.conf
03:10
<jimjimovich>
okay, I installed cups and it works on the thin, how do I do the publishing part?
03:15
never mind, figured it out
03:15
Thanks guys
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<antilyman>
hello
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is there anyone here ?
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<katsuwi>
Hi everyone
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<muppis>
Hello.
04:36
<antilyman>
hello
04:37
can I ask a question ?
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<alkisg>
!ask
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04:37
<antilyman>
I'm trying to install ltsp on an ubuntu 10.04, I followed the instructions, and the thin client can boot from ethernet
04:38
but then it hangs after "..........done"
04:38
I couldn't see what were on the screen before that
04:39
I searched on the net but couldn't find anything
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<alkisg>
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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remove "quiet splash" from there
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Restart client and watch for any error messages
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<antilyman>
@alksig: ok, I'll try this
05:00
@alkisg: it still hangs after "......done" seems like it's a kernel panic as vernum doesn't seem to work
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<alkisg>
antilyman: then the lucid kernel isn't appropriate for that hardware, ask in #ubuntu for ways to find/build an appropriate kernel
05:02
e.g. try reproducing this with a live usb stick
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<antilyman>
@alkisg: ok, i'll try to boot the system with the same system before retrying ltsp, thank you
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<Zanchey>
hi all, wondering if I could get some help with localdev/ltspfs mounting using LTSP 5.1 on debian lenny.
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when I plug in a usb stick or whatever it doesn't mount properly
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I've been following the directions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev and everything works until step 4
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when I use `ssh -t -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_130.95.13.42 meersau "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"` the command completes successfully, but I end up with /media/zanchey with permissions root:root 0700 (and /media/zanchey/tmp owned by zanchey)
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<Zanchey>
the only change I've made from stock install is making /dev/fuse and /usr/bin/fusermount rw and rx by everyone respectively, as we have too many users to put them all into the fuse group
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<Uzzi>
hi
05:46
I've installed LTSP on ubuntu server 10.01. The client now have black screen and ldm not appar
05:46
sorry for my poor english
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<Appiah>
10.04 ?
05:48
<Uzzi>
yes
05:48
sorry :D
05:48
<Appiah>
was it working before or is it a fresh install?
05:49
<Uzzi>
is a new/first installation
05:50
<Appiah>
does the monitor say no signal or signal out of range or something like that?
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<Uzzi>
it's a laptop the client
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<Appiah>
check the /var/log/Xorg.* log
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and see if it tries to set a resolution that the laptop dont support
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<arthurlutz>
hi
05:53
i'm looking for a way of disabling the "inventory" popup that I get at startup...
05:54
<Uzzi>
mmm don't load X
05:54
<Appiah>
ltsp-cluster arthurlutz ?
05:54
Uzzi: then the log shouls say why
05:54
<arthurlutz>
Appiah... yep, sorry i wasn't precise
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<Appiah>
I remeber you have to go the ltsp-cluster webinterface
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and move the client to a directory
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then the window will stop poping up
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directory/category/whatever
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<Uzzi>
there isn't Xorg log
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<Appiah>
whats your lts.conf like Uzzi ?
05:56
try removing quiet and splash from the boot and see what happens
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<Uzzi>
it's very minimal http://pastebin.com/uKUpb1tg
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<Appiah>
XSERVER = auto ?
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is that the server ip for your server?
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<Uzzi>
yes
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<Appiah>
change XSERVER from auto to vesa
06:00
then try again
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<arthurlutz>
Appiah
06:00
Appiah : thanks
06:01
Appiah : this is one of the most counter-intuitive web interfaces I've used (sorry for those who developped it)
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<Appiah>
:D
06:01
only seen it once or twice
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<arthurlutz>
or maybe i'm missing some css or js to make it understandable
06:01
<Appiah>
never "used" it
06:02
<Uzzi>
after Starting LTSP Client [OK] Invalid card number---> then black screen
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<Appiah>
long time since I been to it.. thought that would change
06:02
if thats the current i'm sure they would like some help on making it nicer :)
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<Appiah>
they been more concentrated on the cluster function and ldm then the webinterface :D
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<Appiah>
"Invalid card number" never seen
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<Uzzi>
with vesa there are now new ipw2100 eth1 firmware error
06:11
than init process is blocked! Appiah
06:12
<muppis>
Okey.. My idea using LTSP in HTPC is evolving.. Now I'm plan to add ultrastar-ng/performous-ng to be runned locally.
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<luigi_>
hello,can you help me please?
06:15
<Zanchey>
depends, what's your question? :-)
06:15
<luigi_>
i have a problem....i don't speak english very well
06:15
i have installed ltsp on debian 5
06:16
on my client,when boot, i have an error message: connection timed out 4x106035
06:16
<Appiah>
Uzzi: strange never encouterd such problems
06:16
<elias_a>
luigi_: Non é un problema. Go ahead and ask!
06:16
<luigi_>
meno male!!!!
06:16
elias sei la mia salvezza!
06:17
<Zanchey>
Uzzi: does your laptop boot with a linux usb stick?
06:17
<luigi_>
no,debian is installed on my pc
06:17
<elias_a>
luigi_: No grazie :) But: strange error.
06:17
<luigi_>
i have changed and installed ubuntu.edubuntu,debian but error is alway present
06:17
<elias_a>
What is your network setup like? 1 NIC or 2?
06:18
<luigi_>
1 nic on server
06:18
and 1 nic or 2 nic on the clients
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boot on client is with pxe 2.3 or etherboot
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<luigi_>
help me please.... :( :(
06:20
<elias_a>
luigi_: And the same error if you use a different client?
06:21
What harware is the client?
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<elias_a>
hardware...
06:21
<luigi_>
amd sempron and pentium mmx with 64 or 128 Mbyte RAM
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<elias_a>
:D
06:22
<Appiah>
O_o
06:22
Pentium 1 and Pentium 2 ?
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<luigi_>
other clients pentium 4
06:22
pentium 2
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<luigi_>
i have serched on the internet for this error but not solution... :(
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<luigi_>
is a month I try to run ltsp but ....
06:24
now i have ltsp on debian 5 lenny
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<Appiah>
when do you get this connection timed out?
06:25
is it always 4x106035 ?
06:25
do you get that on all your clients?
06:26
<luigi_>
no,only in 7-8
06:27
<Appiah>
7-8 what
06:27
<luigi_>
problem with 4x106035
06:27
in the other ltsp is ok
06:28
<Appiah>
are you saying about 7 or 8 clients have this issue?
06:28
and they all get 4x106035
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<luigi_>
yes
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<Appiah>
does it say anthing more then connecton timed out?
06:30
what does it say before that
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<luigi_>
this is my configuration file:
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#
06:31
ops
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authoritative;
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subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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range 192.168.1.141 192.168.1.180;
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option domain-name "example.com";
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<muppis>
!pastebin
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<muppis>
!pastebot
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<luigi_>
ok,excuse me
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!pastebot
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06:34
<luigi_>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/MybdfG2N
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<Appiah>
so luigi_ I ask you again
06:36
which step in the booting process gives you connection timed out?
06:37
<luigi_>
i insert floppy disk with pxe (all driver) and message is: DHCP Server searched: ...........
06:37
after 10 seconds message is: connection timed out 4x106035
06:38
N)O IP address
06:39
<Appiah>
ok
06:39
so your mainboard/network card dont supoprt PXEboot?
06:39
have you tride gpxe?
06:40
(starting to belive this is not a ltsp issue)
06:41
<luigi_>
my nic is: sis900
06:41
<Appiah>
so what do you have on your floppy disk with pxe?
06:41
<luigi_>
yes,gpxe 1.01
06:42
pxe 2.3 on my integrated nic
06:42
<Appiah>
does the intergrated nic work?
06:42
<davidj>
luigi: Have you tried using the PXE in the integrated nic?
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<luigi_>
work sometimes on my integrated nic
06:43
yes but work sometimes
06:43
the problem is nic?
06:44
<Appiah>
so whats the ERROR when it does not work on the intergrated nic?
06:44
<luigi_>
connection timed out 4x0c106035
06:44
<Appiah>
wasent that for gpxe?
06:45
<luigi_>
work in 5-6 clients but in 7-8 clients not work...
06:46
<Appiah>
tell me this
06:46
<davidj>
luigi_: When debugging, I find that it helps to make things simple.
06:46
<Appiah>
clients faling to boot : what error do you get when booting on pxe and what error does gpxe give?
06:47
or are you saying they give the exact same error message?
06:47
<luigi_>
excuse but i am novice....where is debug?
06:47
<davidj>
"debug" means to determine the primary cause of the problem.
06:47
<luigi_>
ah,sorry... :(
06:48
<davidj>
luigi_: Pick either Gpxe or the PXE built into the nic.
06:48
luigi_: 2, pick one machine that works and one machine that does not.
06:48
<luigi_>
in client with gpxe error is: connection timed out (4x0c106035)
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<davidj>
3, try to boot both of them and compare that is different.
06:49
<luigi_>
in ither clients with pxe work
06:49
other
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<Appiah>
then you should ask in #etherboot
06:49
<davidj>
luigi_: Do you mean that both machines work if you use PXE?
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<Appiah>
it's a gpxe issue not a ltsp issue
06:50
<luigi_>
with etherboot not find DHCP3 Server and message is: .No IP Address
06:51
yes.If i boot with PXE work, but with Gpxe or etherboot work sometimes
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<Appiah>
then ask about gpxe and etherboot to the etherboot channel :)
06:51
<davidj>
luigi_: PXE always works, gPXE only works sometimes? Why use gPXE if it works poorly?
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<luigi_>
PXE is on my integrated nic. In other nic i have not this....
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<davidj>
luigi_: Ah. Now I see what you are trying to do.
06:53
luigi_: How many machines are on your network?
06:53
luigi_: If you change your DHCP configuration, will you cause problems for others?
06:54
<luigi_>
in my network pc is: 24
06:55
if i changed my DHCP configuration the problem is not changed
06:55
for boot my clients is good netboot disk?
06:56
http://www.netbootdisk.com/
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<davidj>
luigi_: I might suggest that you remove if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img"; }
06:57
and use
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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instead.
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<luigi_>
remove this line?
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<davidj>
Yes. Remove those lines, and just use the 'filename "/ltsp(i386/pxelinux.0" ' line.
06:59
HOWEVER, this is just a test.
06:59
Do not delete those lines, just comment them out.
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<luigi_>
ok
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<davidj>
Look at http://ltsp.pastebin.com/KTRT5HvW
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and see how I have commented out the conditional statements.
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<luigi_>
i have modify this line,saved it and launched: ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
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<davidj>
This configuration will ALWAYS use pxelinux.0, which is probably not what you want in the end. This is just a test.
07:01
luigi_: You must restart the DHCP server, too.
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<luigi_>
yes i have restart DHCP server but error is always present.... :(
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<davidj>
luigi_: Have you checked the network cables?
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<luigi_>
yes...connection is present
07:03
<davidj>
luigi_: Have you run wireshark on the server so that you can see the DHCP traffic from the client?
07:03* Appiah still dont get what he is trying to do
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<Appiah>
Problem: clients using gpxe/etherboot fails to pxeboot
07:04
correct?
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<luigi_>
with pxeboot ltsp is ok, but gpxe/etherboot work sometimes
07:06
davidj,what is sintax for wiresharks?
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<Appiah>
I would use good ol tcpdump
07:10
<davidj>
EIther tcpdump or wireshark will let you see what is happening.
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<elias_a>
luigi_: Scusi, but I am in the middle of online conference so I cannot contribute much to your troubleshooting at the moment.
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<luigi_>
ok elias,this is not problem,thank you for support
07:17
davidj,excuse me,what is the sintax for test tcpdump
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<davidj>
luigi_: "tcpdump | grep -i boot"
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Appiah: I think luigi_ has two sets of clients. One set has built-in PXE, one set does not. I think gPXE is rejecting something in his dhcpd configuration, although it's possible that he has a wiring problem or a problem with gPXE.
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<davidj>
the tcpdump should tell him whether gPXE is able to communicate with his DHCP server.
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<Appiah>
yes thats what I think too
07:34
but since he's using so old clients
07:34
I bet its a gpxe issue
07:35
gpxe driver issue*
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<Uzzi>
on ubuntu 10.04 this error: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80_ltsp-sound: 7: /usr/bin/asoundconf: not found then Gnome doesn't start
07:41
<Appiah>
remeber seeing about that bug in the mailing list long ago
07:42
<dgroos1>
I added an app to my 10.04 thin-client server, made it work as a localapp but can't seem to get it added to everyone's application menu.
07:42
<Appiah>
are you using cluster Uzzi ?
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<Uzzi>
?
07:43
<Appiah>
Uzzi: ltsp-cluster?
07:43
<Uzzi>
no
07:43
<Appiah>
ok
07:44
<dgroos1>
I tried the procedures on: http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/07/how-to-add-item-gnome-menu/ but didn't work. Any ideas?
07:44
<Appiah>
Uzzi is that when you log in?
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or at the boot?
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<Uzzi>
yes
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<Appiah>
try logging in with a different user then
07:44
2009/07 , might be out of date
07:45
if some gets it but some dont it might be beacuse the indivudal users are reading settings diffrently
07:45
some are forced to read /etc/ some have .gnome2/ settings overriding
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<dgroos1>
Appiah: I thought the problem might be that ltsp needs something different?
07:46
<Appiah>
ltsp already got some localapp settings and I'm sure alot of them got imporved earlier this year
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<dgroos1>
I didn't find anything more recent. Seems like people would need to do this kind of often?
07:47
<Appiah>
improved
07:47
LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True is this in your lts.conf dgroos1 ?
07:47
<dgroos1>
I'll check...
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<dgroos1>
Yes, it is.
07:50
though with spaces between ...MENU = True. Does it matter?
07:50
<Appiah>
no idea
07:50
<dgroos1>
:) I'll check if it helps...
07:51
<Appiah>
then there's LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=
07:51
and I'm not sure how that works
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<dgroos1>
I'm not too sure, either, but I've got it listed there--This app I'm using, CmapTools is listed there and it is booting as a LocalApp.
07:53
So people don't often have this challenge of adding a new app to a menu when using LTSP?
07:54
<Appiah>
no idea , never used local app :D
07:54
so I havent followed the local app development
07:55
but it has come a long way! local app and fatclient "support"
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<dgroos1>
Sure. They are cool in that my server no longer bogs down when clients are watching a video or using CmapTools, both require a lot of processing power.
07:55
Though my clients are just old pentium 4's they work just fine for this.
07:56
Well, let's imagine I wasn't using localapps. Do you know how I would add an app to show up in a regular thin client menu?
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<Appiah>
install software
07:57
on the server
07:57
and it will show up in the menu ^^
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<dgroos1>
CmapTools has it's own graphical install program. I can make a launcher for it using this command: ltsp-localapps /usr/lib/IHMC_CmapTools/bin/CmapTools
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<Appiah>
oh
07:59
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GuiInstallLocalApp
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<dgroos1>
I just can't get this launcher to show up for everyone who signs in.
08:00
Yea, I made that page :)
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<dgroos1>
I removed the spaces on the lts.conf file and it didn't seem to change things.
08:02
<Uzzi>
Appiah: with an other user it's the same
08:03
<dgroos1>
Appiah: thanks for helping--I've got to get ready for students now--I'll be back after school :)
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<rad4christ>
Hey guys, a small public school district in SC has one of 5 LTSP labs in place!
08:24
Thanks so much for your work on this project!
08:25
<Appiah>
dgroos1: huh? how did you solve it?
08:25
the space? :)
08:25
Uzzi: sorry no idea then
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<rad4christ>
If I wish to install iTALC on this LTSP server, do I need to install the client in the chroot?
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<rad4christ>
After installing the master on the server, I get the following message: There seems to be no iTALC service running on this computer ot the authentication-keys aren't setup properly.
09:06
OK, nevermind, reboot of server correct, but no ltsp machines are showing.
09:10
<alkisg>
Did you logoff/logon some client?
09:10
Clients need to be logged on before starting iTalc
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<rad4christ>
I will, give me a second.
09:12
OK, that works, but what it my teacher logs off her session? Will she need to restart every client?
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<alkisg>
No
09:15
When iTalc is started, it automatically detects all the logged on clients. There's no "live autodetection", only "startup autodetection"
09:15
<rad4christ>
alkisg: Thanks. It's my understanding that iTALC has basically replaced Thin ClientManager, correct?
09:15
<alkisg>
You can create a .conf file with all the PCs if you want to always see them.
09:15
(i.e. disable autodetection)
09:15
<rad4christ>
ok
09:16
<alkisg>
I think so, I'm not using it, I think it's too buggy :)
09:16
<rad4christ>
iTALC or TCM?
09:16
<alkisg>
iTalc
09:16
Tcm is no longer actively maintained, I think it doesn't even start in recent Ubuntu versions
09:16
<rad4christ>
I gotcha. Well, she has two rows of machines she can't see, I'm just trying to alleviate concern for her.
09:17
There was a small piece of code you could apply to a .py file to fix it, but if I can at least use iTalc to an overview of the PCs she can't see, and to reboot as necessary, I'm good.
09:18
Thanks for the help. I just need to figure out how to get a wine app to push it's shortcut to all users, and I'm done.
09:18
<alkisg>
ok, hope it works for you.
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<mgariepy>
morning everyone
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<highvoltage>
morning mgariepy
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11:21
<dgroos1>
Hi again -- still trying to get an app I downloaded and installed via a separate graphical installer, to show up in a menu.
11:21
I'm using ltsp on 10.04
11:22
Tried this: http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/07/how-to-add-item-gnome-menu/
11:22
but I'm thinking it doesn't work for ltsp...
11:22
Any ideas?
11:26
<komunista>
dgroos1: try http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html
11:27
<dgroos1>
Thanks komunista, I'll give it a go and let you know!
11:31
<abeehc>
i think all three are roughly the same but this is the one i used as i recall http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/2.32/menustructure-0.html.en
11:33
<dgroos1>
Thanks abeehc, the one above is looking deep... If I can't make sense of it I'll move on down the line :)...
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<dgroos1>
hmmm... lunch over, students coming... and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html didn't contain info I could apply with my knowledge level. I'll try the third link after school, it does look more user friendly...
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<pmatulis>
i left a pile of clients on overnight and they were all found frozen to death in the morning. comments?
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<robehend1>
Anyone feel up to helping me out with Samba shared home directories?
14:01
<davidj>
robehend1: I might be able to help a bit, but wouldn't #samba be a better place to get help?
14:02
<robehend1>
didnt know it existed ;)
14:02
I'll try there, thanks!
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<davidj>
np
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<bla>
Hi. I've got a simple question; what does ltsp use for X sessions? Freenx? rdp? I guess everything can be used, but what's your/ltsp preference?
14:07
I've read on ltsp a bit but I most probably have missed this information.
14:08
<ogra_ac>
it uses ssh
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<robb906>
struggling myself with the WM too.... could use some explanation from a pro...
14:09
<bla>
ogra_ac, so it's just an X protocol tunneled over X for single applications?
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<ogra_ac>
it just uses ssh -X
14:10
like you would do from a terminal app
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to run an app remotely
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<bla>
Mhm. So it's possible to tunnel also a window manager that way? Or is window manager run locally?
14:11
<ogra_ac>
it tunnels a whole session that way
14:11
<bla>
Okay, I think I've got it.
14:11
<robb906>
how do I setup ltsp to run a complete desktop?
14:11
cos I get a login screen and after login just a terminal
14:11
<alkisg>
Do you have a desktop set up on your server?
14:12
<robb906>
my guess is install a desttop environment...
14:12
I would prefer to let the server run without, but the chroot with WM
14:12
is that possible?
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<alkisg>
It is, with ltsp fat clients. Are your clients strong enough to handle that? CPU/RAM?
14:13
<robb906>
then the WM must run locally?
14:13
<alkisg>
Yes
14:13
<robb906>
bummer... :)
14:13
<davidj>
robb906: In a normal LTSP setup, EVERYTHING runs on the server.
14:13
<robb906>
I'll install gnome then on the server
14:14
<davidj>
If your clients are big enough, then you can selectively run apps on the clients.
14:14
<robb906>
I know david.... but I would like to have the server as clean as possible...
14:14
<alkisg>
robb906: it is possible to serve ltsp from a chroot, but it would require much fiddling with the scripts. It's much easier to just run it on the server, or even use a VM for a server.
14:14
(that would be a different chroot than the ltsp chroot)
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<robb906>
I have setup ltsp on ubuntu 10.04 server... but it's just that
14:15
now I have to install a WM so the clients get a graphical environment
14:15
<alkisg>
Right
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<davidj>
robb906: An ltsp server isn't like a standard server, where you want it stripped down to the bone.
14:16
robb906: An ltsp server really ought to be set up like a desktop.
14:16
<robb906>
ok then.... can you explain a bit more?
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<cliebow>
well you need essential services..
14:16
<robb906>
how do the clients get the graph desktop after installing gnome on the server?
14:16
how does gnome get into the chroot?
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<davidj>
robb906: Gnome isn't in the chroot.
14:17
<robb906>
or does that automagicly transfer there while installing on the server?
14:17
<davidj>
robb906: The chroot should be stripped to the bone, at least at first.
14:18
The chroot is what the clients run, which is X.
14:18
<robb906>
it is as it is now... chroot is stripped.. but the server too
14:18
<davidj>
The window manager, gnome, open office, everything else really, runs on the server.
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<robb906>
I understand that... so all I have to do is install all apps I want to have on the server... including the WM...
14:19
<davidj>
robb906: Yes.
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<robb906>
thnx... I'll go and install ubuntu desktop on the server
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<robehend1>
Since my other rooms were not much help, figured i'd ask here.
14:51
Weird request:
14:52
I'm wanting to be able to mount my Ubuntu home folders for my windows clients through active directory. That parts easy
14:52
problem is, I also want to be able to *make* the Ubuntu home folders through active directory..any chance of this?
14:52
<johnny>
sure,but i have no idea how
14:53
probably involved pam_mkhomedir or whatever it's called
14:53
but i don't deal with active directory ever.. no win stuff here
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14:55
<robehend1>
Lucky guy
14:56
So you dont know of a way to basically take over an existing directory when the user logs in the first time?
14:56
<davidj>
robehend1: That's a different question from what you first asked.
14:56
robehend1: You might ask in #samba.
14:57
<robehend1>
Tried #samba, no responses at all, must be wrong time of day. came here, since its on a LTSP server, and I'd had good luck before here
14:57
my mistake on improper wording, I guess. I'm still wrapping my head around it
14:58
<davidj>
robehend1: What are you trying to accomplish? Do you want to use the same directory for Linux and Windows home dir?
14:58
<robehend1>
yes
14:59
<davidj>
Well, Windows and Linux have differing views of what "home dir" means.
14:59
In Linux, it's where you keep all of your personal settings and documents.
14:59
<ogra_ac>
home is where your heart is
15:00
<robehend1>
davidj: Let me rephrase
15:00
<ogra_ac>
... or wherever you lay your head ;)
15:00
<robehend1>
davidj: I wan to mount my linux home directory on windows, which is easily accomplished. However, I would like to make these home directories when i create the user in active directory
15:00
davidj: I can make the folders in AD fine, it's just getting Linux to then use them as a home folder that is causing my headache
15:01
<davidj>
robehend1: Then I think what you're trying to do is synchronize AD and linux user IDs.
15:01
#samba is the place for help on that.
15:02
<robehend1>
davidj: Ah, alright, I'll try there, thanks
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<vagrantc>
!screensaver
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "screensaver" is not a valid command.
16:38
<vagrantc>
alkisg: do you know the gconf keys to disable screen locking and force blanking?
16:38
rather than fancy-cpu-intensive screensavers
16:38
<alkisg>
I think I have them somewhere, gimme 5' to finish something...
16:39
<vagrantc>
aparently http://people.gnome.org/~bmsmith/gconf-docs/C/gnome-screensaver.html
16:39
/schemas/apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled TRUE/FALSE ?
16:41
there's also supposedly a way to lock down those settings?
16:43
<Hyperbyte>
vagrantc, sorry if this is a really stupid suggestion, but can't you just deinstall all screensavers?
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<vagrantc>
Hyperbyte: not without uninstalling the programs that depend on them
16:44
additionally, screen blanking does save power.
16:45
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I dunno about programs depending on screensavers.
16:45
<vagrantc>
gnome, for example.
16:45
<Hyperbyte>
On Fedora I deinstalled the entire gnome-screensaver package and it defaulted to screen blanking and no more locking
16:46
<vagrantc>
i think on debian/ubuntu it would uninstall some of the gnome related metapackages ...
16:46
<Hyperbyte>
Ahh, okay. :)
16:46
<vagrantc>
you could probably manually go through and install each other component, but it's a bit of a hassle.
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<vagrantc>
kind of funny that debian would be like that ... usually it's much more fine-grained than fedora :)
16:47
<Hyperbyte>
I wouldn't know about that I'm afraid. :-)
16:48
I haven't used anything but Fedora... ever, actually. I'm missing out on lots of things no doubt.
16:48
<alkisg>
Ubuntu has a patched gnome-screensaver which forces "blank" for ltsp clients
16:48
...and people complain because they can't change them :D
16:48* alkisg looks for the keys...
16:49
<alkisg>
/apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled false ==> I think that's for locking from the screensaver,
16:49
<vagrantc>
that's so cool.
16:49
alkisg: where do you put the configurations?
16:50
i see all these keys ... but i don't know what to do with them.
16:50
<alkisg>
I use a package so in debian/package.gconf-mandatory
16:50
<vagrantc>
what's the format of the file?
16:51
xml, looks like?
16:51
alkisg: would you mind pasting it somewhere?
16:51
or can i download the example package?
16:51
<alkisg>
There are several ways, let me tell you about the ones that I know and you can choose
16:51
!compiz
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
16:51
<alkisg>
One is this way, with commands
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<alkisg>
The result goes to /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml and you can even edit it by hand or some xml editor
16:52
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'd be inclined towards the packaged way
16:52
<alkisg>
OK
16:52
ls /usr/share/gconf/defaults
16:52
See those files there as examples
16:52
There are 2 formats: plain text or xml
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<vagrantc>
ah, cool.
16:53
<alkisg>
I like the plain text best, it's easier to edit
16:53
man dh_gconf for the debian/*.gconf-defaults or mandatory
16:53
<vagrantc>
indeed.
16:53
aha!
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i knew there was a dh_foo
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just couldn't find it...
16:56
alkisg: is it just: "KEY VALUE" or do you have to specify string/bool/etc ?
16:56
<alkisg>
Just key value, but for lists there's a special syntax
16:57
<vagrantc>
thankfully don't need any of those yet.
16:57
alkisg: many thanks!
16:57
<alkisg>
np :)
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vagrantc: here is what I use for fat clients: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/vwjYagWd
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(just to see some syntax examples)
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<alkisg>
(12:40:34 AM) vagrantc: /schemas/apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled TRUE/FALSE ? ==> btw schemas are used from applications to declare the possible values of keys, you don't need schemas unless you're defining new keys for an app of yours.
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<vagrantc>
oh
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alkisg: so just /apps/gnome-screensaver/ ... ?
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<alkisg>
Right
17:07
gconf-editor is also helpful there, you can navigate through all the available keys
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(and you can even set mandatory settings from its GUI)
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<alkisg>
/desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_lock_screen
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/desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_user_switching
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<vagrantc>
what's the difference with disable_lock_screen vs. local_enabled FALSE ?
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<alkisg>
/apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled false ==> tells the screensaver not to lock the screen, but the user may still manually lock it
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/apps/gnome-screensaver/mode "blank-only"
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/apps/indicator-session/suppress_restart_menuitem
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/apps/indicator-session/suppress_shutdown_menuitem
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(not sure if debian uses indicator-session)
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<vagrantc>
do you need the quotes in "blank-only" ?
17:29
<alkisg>
No but I use them for consistency
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<alkisg>
/apps/panel/global/disabled_applets (e.g. to disable the network manager applet)
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<pmatulis>
i managed to upgrade my karmic rig to lucid where remoteapps are supposed to work (i can now bring up an app manually) but when i edit preferences of FF (localapp) it says '/usr/bin/ltsp-remoteapps evince' does not exist
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<d0c5i5>
i have an odd problem, i am using rdp server on top of ubuntu (along with LTSP), when I connect I can do almost anything except hit the "d" key... if I hit "d", all of the windows to minimize
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