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Channel log from 5 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
ogra, warren, johnny, dberkholz, cyberorg: hoping to tag ldm shortly...
00:58
<cyberorg>
hi vagrantc
01:00
<johnny>
vagrantc, atm ldm is great .. no needed changes :)
01:00
i just need some official tarballs based off those tags :)
01:02
ltspfs and ldm are releasable for me as they stand
01:03
so far ..
01:03
maybe i need to figure out how to make my laptop netboot :)
01:03
some error at pxe time
01:03
:(
01:04
i'll look into it when i can rebuild my chroot
01:04
<vagrantc>
johnny: well, 2.0.3 included a portuguese translation, but didn't actually add it to the list of supported translations
01:04
so i'd like to actually put that translator's work into use
01:05
<johnny>
sure
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, is there a place where tarballs are put up?
01:21
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: nothing upstream yet
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<vagrantc>
ldm 2.0.5 tagged, tested, pushing and uploading to debian.
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<Blinny>
How do I enable the new admin 'Unlock' buttons for administrative users logged in at a thin client?
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<Blinny>
This may be upstream to LTSP; I see similar behavior when logging in as an admin user via NX
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<zeltron>
Hi
08:13
Is there anybody in there ?
08:13
I need help with ltsp5 and debian etch
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<StefanB>
hmm i am using ltsp5 on ubuntu
08:14
<Q-FUNK>
zeltron: it's somewhat outdated, but please go ahead and ask.
08:15
<zeltron>
outdated? don't understand (I'm french)...
08:15
<ogra>
old
08:15
<Q-FUNK>
désuet
08:15
<zeltron>
thanks for translation
08:15
<Q-FUNK>
etch est vraiment passé date
08:16
<zeltron>
I installed everything correctly (As described in many docs)
08:16
<Q-FUNK>
anyhow, what was the question?
08:16
ok
08:16
<zeltron>
But when I try to boot my client (diskless), I've got a message
08:17
checking if image is initramfs... it isn't (bad gzip magic number)
08:17
<Q-FUNK>
ouch
08:17
zeltron: which hardware do you use, exactly?
08:17
<zeltron>
I build the client with ltsp-build-client (no options)
08:18
what kind of hardware info do you need ?
08:18
<Q-FUNK>
model, manufacturer
08:18
<zeltron>
I already installed ltsp4.2 and it worked
08:18
<ogra>
noot at the same time i hope
08:19
*not
08:19
<zeltron>
not at the same time, of course !
08:20
Q-FunK : it's not easy for me to guive you an answer, because the client don't boot
08:20
*give
08:20
<Q-FUNK>
quelle marque et quel modele de matos?
08:21
<zeltron>
Q-FUNK : j'avais compris cette fois... mais comme le client ne boote pas, ce n'est pas très pratique pour récuperer ces infos !
08:21
<Q-FUNK>
ca se lit sur le boitier, non?
08:22
<zeltron>
Q-FUNK : non, il n'y a rien d'écrit
08:23
<Q-FUNK>
le boitier ressemble a quoi?
08:23
c'est tout noir avec aucune inscription?
08:24
<zeltron>
tout blanc sans inscription
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<zeltron>
Ce sont des terminaux que j'ai recupere d'un autre service. je crois qu'ils ont été monté par une boite qui fait l'assemblage et les solutions logicielles
08:25
<ogra>
zeltron, ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 --> pastebot
08:25
!pastebot
08:25
<ltspbot>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:29
<ltsppbot>
"zeltron" pasted "ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/528
08:30
<ogra>
looking good
08:30
grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
08:30
(paste that here, will only be one line)
08:31
<zeltron>
I think so... I try to boot the nbi.img and nbi.img-2.6.18... the result is the same
08:32
<ltsppbot>
"zeltron" pasted "grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/529
08:33
<ogra>
hmm, looking good as well
08:33
dhcpd.conf ?
08:35
<zeltron>
dhcpd.conf seems ok, because it works with ltsp4.2 (I changed the 'filename' option of course
08:35
<ogra>
can you show us your filename option ?
08:36
<zeltron>
filename : "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
08:36
<ogra>
fine
08:36
hmm
08:36
<zeltron>
It finds the image, load it, but the rerror appears when it tries to decompress it
08:37
I didn't find on the Net what means bad gzip Magic number.
08:38
It seems like the nbi.img was corrupted
08:39
<ogra>
ogra@ceron:~$ ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/nbi.img-2.6.24-8-generic
08:39
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 6,1M 2008-02-21 13:14 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/nbi.img-2.6.24-8-generic
08:39
(ubuntu)
08:39
yours is only half as big
08:41
<zeltron>
Yes, only 4,2M...
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<zeltron>
So... no idea about this problem ?...
08:48
OK, I give you another one...
08:49
In fact, LTSP 4.2 worked fine for me... just one thing that didn't want to work : sound on clients
08:50
I already made the installation before and the sound worked, with ltsp-esd-alsa script
08:50
But I made the installation again, and no way to make this sound work again
08:51
users are part of audio group
08:51
sound device is well detected by ltsp client, but always an error of gstreamer device or simething like this
08:53
of course, sound = Y is activated in lts.conf...
08:54
I'm sure I only miss a little detail (it worked fine with the same server and client before), but I can't see where !
08:55
<Gadi>
zeltron: what distro?
08:55
<zeltron>
debian etch
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<Gadi>
and sound used to work on debian etch, as well
08:56
or is the sound problem new after moving to etch?
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<zeltron>
It worked with exactly the same configuration (machines, distro... )
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<Gadi>
well, I think you should stick with LTSP5 - sounds like you just need to run: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
09:00
and then: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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<zeltron>
Gadi : I try and come back
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<zeltron>
exit
09:04
sorry, not the good term !
09:09
Gadi : I tried what you said chroot /opt/ltsp....., then /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
09:10
then exit (to leave the chroot), and ltsp-update-kernel
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but it doesn't change nothing
09:10
always the same message
09:11
<Gadi>
is the nbi image still the same size?
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<zeltron>
Sorry, I was rebooting the server... Yes the nbi image is still the same size (4,2M)
09:18
<Gadi>
try this: rm /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/nbi* ; chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u; chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels; ltsp-update-kernels
09:25
<zeltron>
Ok... always the same error message, always the same size for nbi.img
09:25
<Q-FUNK>
broken initramfs tools or borken gzip sound like the most plausible explanations
09:26
<Gadi>
agreed
09:26
zeltron: try rebuilding the chroot
09:27
<zeltron>
with ltsp-build-client ?
09:27
<Gadi>
rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386; ltsp-build-client
09:27
also - is the server 64-bit?
09:28
<zeltron>
I try, in case of... but no real hope : It's not the first time I try to install LTSP5, and everytime, I've got the same problem. I try... and come back
09:29
Gadi : no. The server is quite old (only for tests), and 32-bit
09:29
<Gadi>
good
09:32
<Blinny>
How do I enable the new admin 'Unlock' buttons for administrative users logged in at a thin client? The button being grayed out may be upstream to LTSP; I see similar behavior when logging in as an admin user via NX.
09:32
<zeltron>
While it is building again, a little info that I find back, reading my notes :
09:33
during ltsp-build-client, I've got an error message (not blocking) while setting udev :
09:35
sys class net is not available, persistent interface not saved. A chroot environment has been detected, udev not started
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(with slashes between sys class net of course, but bitchx does'nt want them)
09:36
I don't think it's the source of the problem, but in case...
09:39
<Gadi>
no, thats a good msg
09:39
not a problem
09:39
:)
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<StefanB>
hi, i have a problem wit ltsp5 in hardy
09:44
i get tons of messages like ldminfod connect from 192.168.0.247 in the syslog file from the server
09:44
the screen on the clients are green....
09:44
thats it
09:44
no other messages
09:46
<Gadi>
StefanB: sounds like a video driver problem - do you see the bootsplash on the clients as they boot?
09:46
<StefanB>
jep
09:46
i think its an ldm problem
09:46
every second one line kike: ldminfod connect from 192.168.0.247
09:47
<Gadi>
nope - its video
09:47
try setting XSERVER=vesa
09:47
<StefanB>
how can i see the logfiles from the teminals
09:47
<Gadi>
in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
09:48
<StefanB>
k, ok
09:48
<Gadi>
(note structure of lts.conf:
09:49
[default]
09:49
XSERVER=vesa
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<StefanB>
thx, lets see if the client is comming up.....
09:50
still no logging messages from client in syslog....
09:51
hmmm... green screen
09:51
hmmm... no ldm messages
09:51
only a black courser
09:51
<Gadi>
set: SCREEN_02=shell in your lts.conf, reboot the terminal, when it comes up hit: ctrl-alt-f2
09:52
<zeltron>
Back after ltsp-build-client
09:52
still the same problem, but I had a message at the end :
09:52
Paramétrage de linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch3) ...
09:52
Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/source
09:52
However, I can not read the target: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
09:52
Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/source
09:53
It's more probable the problem is here, no ?
09:55
<Gadi>
hmm... more of a question for vagrantc when he gets here
09:57
<StefanB>
ok
09:57
i have the shell...
09:58
what can i do? logfiles are empty, and the screenshell is green :-)
09:59
<Gadi>
is there a /var/log/X*
10:00
<StefanB>
yes
10:00
no screens found
10:00
oh no, screens found, but none have a usable configuration
10:01
hmm
10:01
<Gadi>
scp /var/log/X* user@server:
10:01
where user = some user on the server you have password to
10:01
then, you can pastebot it for us
10:01
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<StefanB>
hmmm, strange, scp does not prompt for a password -> permission denied
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<ogra>
use the server IP
10:08
<StefanB>
i am using the server ip....
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<StefanB>
permission denied, permission denied, los connection.... it nerver prompts for a password
10:09
<ogra>
your ssh server is up and running on the server machine ?
10:09
<zeltron>
Ok, thank you for your help
10:09
<StefanB>
i am on the server with ssh...
10:10
<ogra>
with the same user ?
10:10
<zeltron>
Bye
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<StefanB>
yes
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<ogra>
did you give a proper target dir in the scp command ?
10:13
<StefanB>
this is my command: scp Xorg.* stefan@192.168.0.31:/tmp
10:14
on my computer it works, but on the thinclient.... it does not ask for a pwd
10:15
it directly says permission denied
10:16
<ogra>
are you sure its the right IP (i.e. not he external interface of the server or so)
10:17
<StefanB>
yes
10:17
same net
10:17
anyway, i just took another thinclient
10:17
<ogra>
do you know what graphics HW is in there ?
10:17
<StefanB>
when i did a starx on the shell, i get an white screen with a black cross
10:18
hmm, is an compaq evo
10:18
<ogra>
lspci| grep -i vga
10:19
<Q-FUNK>
do we have a wiki page with a list of conferences or linux shows where something LTSP related is expected to take place?
10:19
<ogra>
not really
10:20* ogra planned to talk at linuxtag .... but ubuntu-motu outsmarted me on the slot, so i only will hang around there but not talk
10:21
<StefanB>
ok, i think its working now, ... i took another thinclient (but thats strange, with ltsp4.2 all of them are working)
10:22
<ogra>
StefanB, do you have anything else in the lts.conf beyond the two things Gadi told you to put in there =
10:22
?
10:22
<StefanB>
nope
10:22
<ogra>
hmm
10:23
would stil be intresing whats the difference between the two
10:23
<StefanB>
only xserver and xmode
10:23
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: are you gonna be there on all 4 days?
10:23
<StefanB>
what was the conf to disable the encription
10:23
<Q-FUNK>
I'm likely gonna attend only on thursday+friday
10:23
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, depends, i havent contacted my berlin friend yet, to see how many nights i can stay at his place
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<ogra>
but given that i will just return some days before from prague i'd like to keep it short
10:24* ogra is travelling most of may
10:25
<ogra>
i'll likely be there the last day since we will do a ubuntu Q&A session again and a barbecue afterwards like last year
10:25
(as last session)
10:25
StefanB, LDM_DIRECTX=True
10:26
StefanB, but that wont influence the behavior of the broken client
10:27
<StefanB>
i know... but the broken client doesnt bother me for know... i have to setup a small testbed, i can use the other ones there....
10:27
hmmm... but its pretty slow... the screen lags somehow
10:29
<ogra>
can you paste ~/.xsession-errors to the pastebin ?
10:31
<StefanB>
from serverside or on client side? the client has an Trident microsystem Cybeblade/11 vga chip
10:31
<ogra>
from the users session indeed
10:31
there are no users on the client ;)
10:31
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: last day of linuxtag, the BBQ?
10:32
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, at least thats how it was last year, the berlin LOCO did that and i heard they planned it for this year as well
10:32
<StefanB>
k, one moment
10:32
<ogra>
free food, pay for drinks ....
10:33
<Q-FUNK>
ok
10:33
well, IIRC I have something here on saturday
10:33
:(
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<ltsppbot>
"StefanB" pasted "Xsession: X session started fo" (289 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/530
10:37
<StefanB>
pastebot.ltsp.org/530
10:37
<ogra>
yeah
10:38
it pastes the link automatcally
10:38
do you have a binary driver like fglrx installed on the server ?
10:38
the log looks fine btw, i was suspecting compiz to kick in or something like that
10:38
but its properly using metacity
10:39
<StefanB>
hmmm, ther server is a domU in xen....
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<ogra>
oh
10:39
<StefanB>
maybe it has something to do with ubuntu hardy..... i did an equal setup with gutsy (also xen) and this was pretty fast
10:39
<ogra>
xen
10:40
ltsp didnt really change much between the two, i restricted myself to bugfixes instead of features due to it beng LTS
10:40
<StefanB>
on an slower computer... And now i have my new Server with hardy and nothing works :(
10:40
<ogra>
*beng
10:40
GAH
10:40
*b e i n g
10:40
:)
10:41
<StefanB>
hmm
10:43
it runs quite good, only the screen refresh is really slow :(
10:43
<ogra>
do you still have th eshell running on tty2 on the client =
10:43
?
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<StefanB>
no
10:44
<ogra>
its probably using vesa or something like that
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<StefanB>
no, i removed the vesa module
10:44
it know uses the trident stuff
10:45
<ogra>
hmm, i was about to ask if you could try with vesa to check if its the driver ...
10:46
to see if there is any difference
10:46
<StefanB>
i did it alredy.... vesa is even slower (and the screen is flieckering
10:46
<ogra>
meh
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<ogra>
vagrantc, !
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<vagrantc>
ogra: hey :)
10:49
<ogra>
tagging the world, eh ?
10:49
:)
10:49
<vagrantc>
hrm?
10:49
<ogra>
you did a lot of tags the last days
10:50
ltsp, ldm ...
10:50
<vagrantc>
ltspfs and ldm, i think.
10:50* ogra wonders what to do about ltsp and MoM
10:50
<vagrantc>
actually, warren tagged ltspfs
10:50
MoM ?
10:51
<ogra>
yeah :) our beloved one in ubuntu
10:51
Merge o Matic :)
10:51
http://merges.ubuntu.com/l/ltsp/REPORT
10:51
<vagrantc>
ah, yes.
10:51
<ogra>
vagrantc, do you have any reports about X slowness in sid ?
10:52
<vagrantc>
ogra: haven't heard anything, but that doesn't say much
10:52
<ogra>
its the second time i see someone complain about sluggish X performance now
10:52
and since ltsp didnt really change there i suspect X (which should be identical in sid and hardy atm)
10:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: so you basically grabbing ldm and ltspfs?
10:54
ogra: ltsp is the only one we really need to think about merging?
10:54
<ogra>
well, not sure yet
10:55
i'll dump my changes to the ubuntu plugins into upstream anyway
10:56
so whats left are some pacaging differences in the end
10:56
<vagrantc>
yeah
10:56* vagrantc sings a song about bzr
10:56
<ogra>
hehe
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<Gadi>
vagrantc, ogra: last night I bought tix for Portland in July - did jammcq catch you guys today at all?
11:16
<vagrantc>
Gadi: nah. what days are you here for?
11:16
<Gadi>
thu the 24th thru mon the 28th
11:16
so the tail end rather than the head
11:17* Gadi had a free ticket that I had to book yesterday
11:17
<vagrantc>
ah, ok.
11:17* vagrantc wonders when other folks are planning on being around
11:17
<Gadi>
and without a clear consensus from the group I called jammcq in a panoic
11:17
<vagrantc>
heh
11:17
<Gadi>
seems it works for jammcq, sbalneav, and dberkholz
11:17
<vagrantc>
works for me either way
11:18
<Gadi>
I am hopeful it works for the rest of the group
11:18
<vagrantc>
or both beginning and end :)
11:18
<Gadi>
great
11:18
I figured eharrison is cool too
11:19
<vagrantc>
i'm guessing ogra, if coming at all, will likely be on the beginning end of things
11:19
<ogra>
21-22th is ubuntulive
11:19
<vagrantc>
right
11:19
<Gadi>
right - but maybe you can get the powers that be to let you be there thru the weekend
11:20
a day for oscon and a few for ltsp ;)
11:20
its not like you can't work from Portland...
11:20
all you need is a couch
11:21
<ogra>
and wlan
11:21
<Gadi>
in fact, I need to find one of those, too
11:21
:)
11:21
most couches come with wlan these days
11:21
<ogra>
i dont know if tere are any other things coming in my way yet
11:21
(classmate or some such)
11:22
<Gadi>
isnt intel in portland?
11:22
<ogra>
and i havent gotten feedback yet
11:22
(asked three weeks ago, waiting for response from teh management)
11:22
<Gadi>
okey dokey
11:24
<Q-FUNK>
we'd really need an event calendar page on the wiki
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i think thats what he cares least about 9 days away from release ;)
11:39
<vagrantc>
heh
11:39* vagrantc wonders how warren is doing in general
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<Q-FUNK>
he's changing office space
12:06
RH is getting new premises
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<lns_>
weird, i'm changing offices right now too..although i have to admit we're not as big as RH =p
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<gvy>
hi
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<ByPasS>
any1 using ltsp with kde4 ?
13:44
<johnny>
doubtful..
13:44
since no distro is shipping it
13:45
oh wait.. i forgot. did ubuntu ship it? but not lts?
13:45
i haven't heard anybody talk about using kde4 with ltsp here ever tho
13:45
<gvy>
ByPasS, you don't want kde 4.0
13:45
<ByPasS>
ok all good :)
13:45
<gvy>
if you listen to kde developers :)
13:46
<ByPasS>
i was just wondering if i could get kiosk tool to work with kde4
13:46
<gvy>
you want 4.1 when it's done :)
13:46
<ByPasS>
so ill stick with kde3
13:46
anyway i need kde kiosk mode too
13:46
<gvy>
yup
13:46
<ByPasS>
and it seems that the current tools are broken with kde4 as it is so dif
13:46* gvy uses icewm for kiosks with great success :)
13:46
<gvy>
it's actually very very very much suited for that
13:46
<ByPasS>
icewm umm hows the lock down with it
13:47
i kinda created a windows alike locked kde3.2 for the thins
13:47
ill have a look i guess
13:51
any probs related to ubuntu 8.04 tho ?
13:53
shouldnt thanks for the advices gvy
13:54
<gvy>
ByPasS, there's a winxp-like theme for icewm, and you can basically write your own ~user/.icewm/menu (and toolbar and preferences, the files are pretty self explanatory or see examples in docs)
13:54
so that you can *build* features, not lock them down
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<gvy>
compare to "allow by default" vs "drop by default" firewall policy :)
13:55
<ByPasS>
I c so i could get a .icewm default profile
13:55
and eventually customize it to add certain app to certain users ?
13:55
<gvy>
but that's more useful if you're going to invest say a week into polishing things
13:55
yes, you can do system-wide settings too (it's /etc/X11/icewm/ here)
13:56
<ByPasS>
kiosk tool was a dirty ez tool lil buggy too tho so it did the job for the first generation
13:56
<gvy>
cpu/ram/net activity indicators are there too, and icewm tray does support that kde/gnome tray protocol
13:56
well, if it works, don't fix it :)
13:56
<ByPasS>
i got plenty of time to polish the X env
13:57
ill stick with kde first and try with old hw and play with icewm
13:57
anyway at my location i got roughly maybe 30 clients
13:58
<gvy>
for ltsp icewm means reduced memory consumption on server mainly... still xorg on the thin client should take up a bit less ram too
13:58
for pixmaps
13:58
30 kde clients is roughly a gig here (23 kde+ff would be 1.1G)
13:59* Q-FUNK loves icewm with the clearlooks theme
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<ByPasS>
good metrics than i got 4g ram so I should be fine
14:23
then
14:26
<gvy>
yup
14:27
maybe 1.5x less fine (it's altlinux, we use careful linking with -Wl,--as-needed which helps against library bloat a lot) but still should be perfectly enough :)
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<warren>
vagrantc: ogra: what port do you folks run nbdswapd on?
16:39
vagrantc: ogra: I copied a port number from an older edubutu when I set our xinetd to use port 9572 for nbdswapd
16:39
<vagrantc>
warren: that's a good question.
16:40
warren: for a while, i was trying to use the same ort that ltsp 4.x used, but maybe switched to what ubuntu was using ...
16:40
9572 is what ubuntu switched to, i think.
16:40
<warren>
but ltsp-init-common has port 9210 for some reason
16:40
<vagrantc>
that's what 4.x used
16:40
<warren>
so ltsp-init-common is the broken one
16:41
<vagrantc>
well, depends on what you mean by broken...
16:41
<warren>
what number should it be defaulting to?
16:41
<vagrantc>
they're all arbitrarily chosen numbers ...
16:41
<warren>
yes but we have to choose defaults
16:41
<vagrantc>
and they all have their history and precendents
16:42
<warren>
what is your latest debian using now?
16:42
9572 or 9210?
16:42
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445072 anyhow
16:42
I must add some small delay (sleep 0.5) to /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
16:42
routine configure_swap after "modprobe nbd", else next command nbd-client
16:42
for some reason fail:
16:42
have you seen this problem as well?
16:42
<vagrantc>
docs say 9210, i think the package uses 9572
16:43
haven't used nbd swap much
16:43
<warren>
me neither
16:43
mind if I change ltsp-init-common to 9572?
16:43
I already shipped server with 9572 and I can't change it easily
16:43
because xinetd is stupid
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<vagrantc>
i kind of was hoping to stick to 9210, just because we've switched so many things arbitrarily in the transition from 4.x to 5 ... but 9572 has been in use long enough to probably be considered the new default
16:45
<warren>
I wish I discovered this before release
16:45
vagrantc: have you seen the delay problem?
16:46
<vagrantc>
warren: haven't seen it, but haven't tested it in at least a year or two
16:46
<stgraber>
Looking at my Ubuntu LTSP here, I have ldminfod on 9571 so 9572 would probably make more sense than a completely different port number like 9210
16:46
<vagrantc>
that's why it was chosen
16:48
<warren>
i'm impressed that this guy figured out the delay
16:48
the delay only means it is more likely to not fail, not guaranteed
16:49
vagrantc: any opinion if we should just paper over the bug with a delay, or try to get it actually fixed?
16:49
perhaps "don't return from modprobe until it actually works"
16:50
<vagrantc>
warren: i have tested NBD root and it never required such a sleep
16:50
<warren>
vagrantc: how fast of a machine did you test it on?
16:50
or maybe this is a regression in newer kernels
16:51
<vagrantc>
warren: virtualbox on an 866MHz
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<vagrantc>
i've only tested NBD on 2.6.24 kernels
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<warren>
this is interesting
16:53
telnet 172.31.100.254 9572
16:53
Connected to 172.31.100.254.
16:54
Escape character is '^]'.
16:54
/usr/sbin/nbdswapd: line 23: /dev/stderr: No such device or address
16:54
<vagrantc>
oh, nice.
16:54
<warren>
echo "ERROR: not a directory or not writeable: $SWAPDIR" > /dev/stderr
16:54
this doesn't look right
16:54
wouldn't 2>&1 be better?
16:54
<vagrantc>
you have /dev/stderr ?
16:55
<warren>
yes, /dev/stderr exists
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<vagrantc>
warren: define better?
16:55
<warren>
more commonly used?
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<vagrantc>
i guess i started using /dev/stderr a while back because it looks so much more readable...
16:56
even though 2>&1 is common practice ...
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<warren>
I gotta get on the bus now
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<dberkholz>
isn't using /dev/stderr a bashism
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: not in my experience
17:00
<dberkholz>
the bash man page just says it's handled specially
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<dberkholz>
i don't use any other shells, so i dunno
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<vagrantc>
i definitely tested it in other shells before starting to use it
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<vagrantc>
works in dash and posh
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<gbolte>
hello
18:13
its me again
18:13
LD
18:13
:d
18:15
has anyone seen cyberorg
18:15
!seen cyberorg
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<ltspbot>
gbolte: cyberorg was last seen in #ltsp 16 hours, 54 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <cyberorg> vagrantc, is there a place where tarballs are put up?
18:17
<gbolte>
I am still attempting to try and figure out why in LTSP5 auto mounted drives do not show on the users desktop
18:17
they are showing in /media/
18:17
but for some reason gnome will not put an icon on the desktop
18:18
its sorta strange
18:20
<johnny>
did you post to ml?
18:21
<gbolte>
johnny nope do you have a link to the page with the ML addy?
18:23
<vagrantc>
gbolte: using GNOME ?
18:23
<gbolte>
vagrantc, yes
18:27
I am wondering if it is gnome-vfs that needs to be patched to handle objects in /media correctly
18:28
but last time I was here someone running fedora said that it works fine
18:28
<johnny>
gnome-vfs can handle media fine without any patch
18:28
<gbolte>
so I dont know if that is because fedora has patched their gnome-vfs to handle ltsp mounts or what
18:28
<johnny>
that is.. outside of ltsp
18:29
<gbolte>
yeah thats what I am talking about though is LTSP
18:29
;)
18:29
gnome-vfs works great on devices that are actually hardware connected to the server
18:29
but dosent work for ltsp mounts
18:30
eg I stick a cd into my workstation ltsp mounts the device to the server in /media
18:30
but gnome dosent pick it up
18:31
thats why I have a feeling that I need to have a patched version of gnome-vfs to make that work properly
18:31
which I have not seen for opensuse
18:33
<vagrantc>
gbolte: one of the issues with gnome-vfs is seeing icons for other users, but ltspfs doesn't need any special patches to show icons for things in /media
18:33
<gbolte>
hmm well I wonder why mine is broken
18:34
:/
18:34
<vagrantc>
user in the fuse group?
18:34* gbolte checks
18:34
<vagrantc>
presuming there is a fuse group ...
18:34
basically, /dev/fuse needs to be writeable
18:35
<gbolte>
vagrantc, well if my user was not in fuse then it should not be able to mount the ltsp device at all right?
18:35
<vagrantc>
ah, right. nevermind.
18:35
it's the /media/USERNAME/DEVICENAME -> Desktop icons that you're having trouble with...
18:36
<gbolte>
yeah
18:36
it mounts the ltsp device but gnome never picks up on it
18:37
ltspfs 370M 370M 0 100% /media/gbolte/atacd-cdrom
18:37
thats the output of df -h
18:44
I am going to see if there are any gnome-vfs packages missing
18:48
vagrantc, do you have a /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules folder
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<vagrantc>
gbolte: i don't have a system where ltspfs is working handy, but it is present on debian etch
18:51
<gbolte>
ah ok well I was wondering if maybe there were gnome-vfs modules active on debian or any other distro that this works on that are not on mine
18:51
that seems like it is where all the modules are globally controlled from
18:51
<johnny>
maybe it could be that patches applied to opensuse are screwing you over?
18:51
instead of the other way around..
18:51
i have seen few opensuse ltsp users here
18:52
so it's hard to say
18:52
<gbolte>
johnny, yeah that is a possibility
18:52
<johnny>
you could just switched to debian/ubuntu/fedora :)
18:52
<gbolte>
I should see if I can find the patch history for gnome-vfs on opensuse
18:52
actually I cant
18:53
we are a Novell shop here
18:53
<vagrantc>
vendor lock-in in the world of free software :)
18:55
<gbolte>
vagrantc, well that is true to a point we actually own licences for SLES and SLED however SLED is limiting to say the least
18:55
lol
18:55* vagrantc doesn't know the SuSE acronym namespace
18:56
<gbolte>
Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop and Suse Linux Enterprise Server
19:03
hmm well looking through the changelog shows me that they added support for FUSE based filesystems
19:03
Add FUSE to known filesystem types (#349622)
19:03
Patch from Rob Garth
19:03
so thats a good thing I suppose
19:04
:P
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