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tfdl: do you have it set to use a time server?
bennabiy: i do not know that, can you show briefly how? Thanks!
I will give it a try. Thanks!
tfdl: I cannot remember the specifics, but you could start by looking it up.
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thanks bennabiy, i will find in google.
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vagrantc and alkisg: I have a test .deb of a ldm theme.
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Hi all. I'm still trying to solve my sound issue. I modified the chroot /etc/pulse/daemon.conf flat-volume=no (like in ubuntu 10.04) and now I can change volume on a playing sound within the app playing the sound (vlc, flash, totem).
(So I set flat-volume to no)
but I still have issues : sound is not started at fresh log, and if I change the volume with the desktop icon, sound breaks (pa_stream_writable_size() failed : connection terminated) until I manually restart it with the ltsp-init-common start_sound function.
I've also noticed something : if I make my chroot console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) beep once logged (here as root) before having my LDM (Ctrl+Alt+F7) logged as a user, well sound is started for the user.
So I keep thinking about studying pulseaudio, but help still be appreciated (as they even were), thanks.
s/(as they even were)/(as suggestions and advices even were)/
Hi. I have a problem with LTSP. User session start without the global sound icon (except if the thin client console has just beeped). When I run any sound app, I get a "pa_stream_writable_size() failed : connection terminated". So after restarting manually pulseaudio in system mode (as usually, when you use LTSP) on the thin client, I can play sound.
I partially fixed the problem by setting flat-volume to no in the daemon.conf system of the client, which let me set the volume within the sound app that plays, but I can't set global volume, and I still don't have a good session start for my users.
How to know if the problem is software or hardware (VIA1612A, ok with ubuntu 10.04) ?
And how to know if the problem is LTSP or pulseaudio ?
(sorry I wanted to write on #pulseaudio, (
Does it work with a live ubuntu 12.04?
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Well I can't start live ubuntu 12.04 on my neoware ca10, but with my hp t5510 I can
Why, it doesn't have a boot from usb option?
And, both of them have the sound issue?
both yes, and same via1612a
And does sound work fine with the hp t5510?
And, do any other clients work fine wrt sound?
live usb yes for the t5510, sound ok with my laptop as a thin client
and live USB sound works with t5510, too
And the neoware client only has 128 ram?
VIA1612A is the chip of my VIA 8235 sound card on my neowares ca10
no some of them have 512+256
Hmm, so it's not a RAM issue, it would make sense for pulse to die with 128 ram with the default ltsp setup...
So why not try booting from usb with some of the ones with 512 ram?
I've ever tried to usb boot with the ca10 but I didn't manage
but I have one running LTSP 10.04 right now
as a client
You can't debug 12.04 problems using 10.04 though...
You can use pxelinux and tell it to boot from usb
Ah, here's another method:
Error: "livecd-netboot" is not a valid command.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot ==> ONLY the automation script paragraph there
ok, I've never, but I can try. How ? Or better : what do I do after
Well, if sound works with 12.04 live booted, keep bugging #ltsp or #pulseaudio,
*sorry, if it doesn't
too early in the morning, if sound works, then yeah bug us or #pulse,
while if it doesn't work, it's not an ltsp or pulse issue, it's a kernel etc issue, so take it to #ubuntu
alkisg: Were teachers also on strike yesterday in Greece?
elias_a: morning! some of them, yeah...
alkisg: Morning. The strike was in Finnish national tv news. That's my reason for asking.
Wow, I didn't know we went so public...
alkisg : I've got the issue with 12.04 and debian 7
alkisg: I really do hope Greece gets financial things in order and stays in EU.
The distro doesn't matter
elias_a: I don't think any country can leave the EU without the EU falling apart...
It's usually not a local issue, the economy is driven by global politics
alkisg: I don't think so as EU is after all based on economy more than anything else. Small countries have little importance...
But of course if one country is being split off, the next one is easier and that's where the slippery slope begins.
There was some essay about it from some global financial organization, I don't remember the link but it's not my own thoughts about it
I think the idea is to make the public section smaller, to rip off nation treasures etc
Ok. I'd like to read it.
I don't think they want to completely destroy any country's economy, they'll gain less by doing that
I think Greece does not have any fundamental problem when it comes to productivity.
It's not like suddenly greeks stopped working and the problem started... it's a manufactured problem
Seen from finnish perspective your only problem is the tradition of doing some things past the system.
I have no personal experience but my impression is that the greeks are not as happy tax payers as people in Finland for example.
Of course there are people in Finland, too, who avoid taxes.
But that is not definately seen to be a virtue :D
alkisg : oh I'm thinking my neoware have no pae flag, I guess I'll have a problem with 12.04. I maybe should do the live netboot with debian or no ?
A recent study said that in an ideal system, if greece was able to collect all the pending taxes, they'd get about 5 billion, which is only a tiny fraction of the debt
So while that is a problem (and was in the past with no crisis anywhere), it's not the main cause
alkisg: Ok. That is good to know.
alkisg: As I have adopted some marxist economical thinking I can imagine how this situation has been generated.
I hate the current economy system, it's too unstable and easy to get manipulated
Money don't correspond to actual work, value, treasure anymore, only stocks matter
And I think there are groups that actually planned it that way...
(no conspiracy theories though :))
alkisg: There does not have to be any conspiration theory because there are document leaks that prove it.
Just a moment....
urly: 12.04 does have a non-pae kernel, use the 12.04.0 cd, the original one, not 12.04.3
Use the ubuntu cd, not the debian one, it'll be harder for you to netboot debian live
all right )
urly: ah, moment, I think i remembered wrong,
I think even the 12.04.0 cd comes with the pae kernel, and the non-pae is only an option after the installation...
urly: so it might be easier to try the client as a fat client, which handles pulseaudio differently
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
You could e.g. test with that ^ and with a non-pae kernel in a VM ltsp server
Or maybe lubuntu 12.04 sihped with non-pae, google it
So you could use livecd-netboot with lubuntu
Yup, so use that ^, lubuntu 12.04 + livecd netboot
this one :http://www.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/ mini.iso ?
alkisg: Is this like something you had in your mind? http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/larry-summers-and-the-secret-end-game-memo
Heh, the greek schools squid proxy doesn't allow that page
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Hyperbyte: did you know that English speakers already know Greek? http://alkisg.mysch.gr/temp/english.htm :)
alkisg, can I distribute that address?
muppis: it's in my temp folder, to be deleted in e.g. a few months, but I have no problem otherwise
alkisg: Do you wish to get a pdf of that article via email?
elias_a: nah - i'd like the original link (I got it via mail) but too much work, no time to search right now :)
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navgou: τι λένε οι clients;
alkisg: μαυρες οθόνες τα fat
ΟΚ πάμε για αποσφαλμάτωση
Απομακρυσμένη βοήθεια στο alkisg.dyndns.org
alkisg, if someone would send me that text saying it's in English my reply would be "Looks like Greek to me."
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hey alkisg can you help me?
Hi, I don't know if I can, ask! :)
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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a have ltsp
and all client booting to ubuntu serwer not to windows serwer terminal i don't know why, they don;t see configuration in lts.conf
this is this configuration file
The key=value on top is wrong, remove it
Then reboot clients
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hello, I've been trying my way with ltsp standalone and followed the wikis
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maybe client havent aplication rdesktop?
my laptop with PXE 2.0 built-in won't receive any image file name from the server, my router has IP 192.168.1.1. Is this wrong? I couldn't understand the wikis when it says "Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1 (and make sure it is up and running). "
Is that to say the server?
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who can help me?
roces4 I'm not very goot at LTSP
I'm looking for help myself but just write your issue down
my all client booting to ubuntu serwer not to windows serwer terminal
explain a little further
gtg sorry, others will hopefully assist you
this is my file configuration
but the client dont'see this file
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roces4, few things. Remove line 1, the "key=value" thing. Also remove the unneeded empty lines (3, 4, 15, 16)
Next, remove all whitespaces around the '=' characters. So replace 'DNS_SERVER = 172.16.1.230' with 'DNS_SERVER=172.16.1.230', for example
Then, if you're not using Linux thin/fat clients and just rdesktop, remove lines 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14
Lastly, change SCREEN_01 to SCREEN_06 and SCREEN_02 to SCREEN_07
Then reboot clients and specify exactly what happens.
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who can help me
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in ltsp how shutdown all clients?
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roces4, did you see my earlier messages?
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/ See there, at 11:16
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alkisg: I have my source, I have a .deb for ldm-mint-theme. What do I do now? :)
alkisg: your english article has some misspellings
It's not mine, I got it in a mail
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I do not know about 'bot', but I do know about these similar topics: 'supybot', 'pastebot'
alkisg: seems clem is going to host my ldm theme for mint on his servers
I am also going to submit it for debian inclusion
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ok, so as of today, there is a new package on the mint repository for ldm-mint-theme :)
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hola quisiera preguntarte como enviar archivos por Epoptes
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hello I want to ask how to send and receive files with Epoptes
I am really new to ltsp, can anyone tell me how to delete the client I set up so I can start from scratch ? :)
Does anyone know a good way to squish the filesize down on pngs?
Also, what is the expected resolution for LDM?
like, how large should my bg.png be?
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I used it. It helped. then I went to tinypng online and it dropped it to 1/4 again
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10:52:44 AM - bennabiy: http://twelvetribes.org/dropbox/mint-higher.png or http://twelvetribes.org/dropbox/mint-morecentered.png
10:52:47 AM - bennabiy: which looks better?
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Is it possible to use ltsp-pnp and regular ltsp at the same time?
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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hello, i'd like ton know if there is a way to force LTSP server to connect to with ldm
Can you rephrase your question please?
which server to connect to
but I think it is ssh related problem
I try to connect an debian ltsp thin client to ubunt ltsp server
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if i understant i have to ltsp-update-sshkey on ubuntu server then update keys on debian ltsp chroot
debian still doing nfs mount compared to ubuntu
yes that's true
but i wanted to test new italc
as it is included in whaeezy-backports
but first, i'd like to get ldm runing on my original ltsp server
(the ubunt one)
I think i need to push the ubuntu ssh keys on the debian one tight ?
What is the best way to specify a fat client image for just one computer? would I do it at the DHCP level?
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I think so as the ltsp chroot is different
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Finaly, the solution was : 1)ubuntu = ltsp-update-sshkeys --export 2)debian = paste public keys in /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.ubuntu 3)debian = ltsp-update-sshkeys
Now my Debian thin client is connecting to my ubuntu ltsp server.
Question for y'all, I am just playing around with this and setting it up for my first time. I have attempted to RTFM this problem, but am not sure where this is misconfigured. I am trying to make a few 64bit thin cilents work, but whenever they try to boot, they attempt to mount /opt/ltsp/i386 (which doesn't exist).
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cerettala: what's the exact message?
bennabiy: the lower picture seems better, but maybe it needs to be just a bit higher
alexqwesa: Nov 7 12:06:09 ltsp rpc.mountd: can't stat exported dir /opt/ltsp/i386: No such file or directory
bennabiy: And, yes it's possible to use ltsp-pnp and plain ltsp, it's the same code
the directory it should be mounting is /opt/ltsp/amd64
What's your dhcpd.conf like?
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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Guess I found the problem
Rubbery ducky debugging is the best....
Sure enough, appears to be running like a charm now
Thanks for the assist
np, thanks for teaching me a new phrase (rubber duck debugging) :)
alkisg: here is my situation. I have been running from the server for my user (with the rest all thin clients). Some of what I do and use resources for, I cannot do as a thin client (so I guess technically, my user has been a thick client the whole time) ;)
bennabiy: ltsp-pnp supports both thin and fat at the same time, you don't need multiple images...
but now I want to use a fatclient for my user, but not disrupt the rest of the thin clients which are running fine
Just set LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf, and LTSP_FATCLIENT=True for you
alkisg: what about my 2 nic setup?
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I thought ltsp-pnp used just 1
bennabiy: it's just 1 line in your dhcp configuration
(2 nics vs 1 nic)
Actually, the default setup supports both 1 and 2 nics
If you use 192.168.67.1 as your internal ip, it works out of the box
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alkisg: my issue... I have users actively logged in and working. Can I switch to pnp without disrupting them?
since they are all thin clients anyway
which distro's are currently using btrfs for the thin clients?
have you tested ltsp-pnp with versions other than 12.04?
alkisg: also, is it fine if I use the current ppa I have of ltsp for ltsp-pnp?
aka my ppa which is in sync with upstream
(I noticed you suggest using the greekschools ppa)
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alkisg: so what exactly is the difference between making a fat client and using ltsp-pnp?
when potentially, I am the only fat client on the network
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ok, I think I see what is happening...
what is the default image name that it creates? amd64.img?
or whatever arch
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bennabiy: Why don't you pray for it? :P
bennabiy: Sorry, just had to... :D
I probably should more than I do...
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(08:42:12 μμ) bennabiy: alkisg: my issue... I have users actively logged in and working. Can I switch to pnp without disrupting them? ==> sure, you just need an ltsp-update-image -c /
(08:45:31 μμ) bennabiy: alkisg: also, is it fine if I use the current ppa I have of ltsp for ltsp-pnp? => yup
(08:44:26 μμ) bennabiy: have you tested ltsp-pnp with versions other than 12.04? => nope
bennabiy: if your server is amd64, then the ltsp-pnp image will be amd64 too
So if your clients are i386, don't use ltsp-pnp, just build a fat chroot
Enslaver: none? :)
the rest of the clients are all atom machines
which do not make good fat clients (score of about 300 )
could I not use ltsp-update-image -c / for an amd64 fat client, and then let the thin clients use the existing i386 image?
and then at my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
make my mac address of my fat client pull the right image?
Is it possible to set IPAPPEND=3 only for that one kernel?
|19:21||* alkisg uses atoms as fat clients, but his servers aren't very good, score of about 1500|
You don't need it since you're using an internal nic
But yeah, in pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address instead of pxelinux.cfg/default
Don't do anything that the wiki says
Since you already have ltsp set up, just run the ltsp-update-image -c / command
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|19:28||* alkisg waves to vagrantc|
and then what is the proper format for the dhcp entry for that mac address?
|19:29||* bennabiy waves to vagrantc as well|
I managed to get ldm-mint-theme hosted on linuxmint server
so it is available, but when I ran install, it pulled ubuntu theme, so I think I need to make a hack in either late-packages, or 030-artwork
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alkisg: do I still need to do the NAT setup?
for the fat client?
so if I want everything to default to i386, but want to load the fatclient for the one mac address, what is the best way to do that?
would I do a host entry in dhcpd?
bennabiy: yeah, you'll need to update the artwork plguin
by then, MINT_DIST should be set one way or another, right? so I could just do a check based on that
vagrantc, alkisg: what's your next week looking like? I can set aside a full day for testing/work on LTSP6?
sbalneav: not sure yet, just got back
sbalneav: need to play some catchup
|20:01||* vagrantc hopes to get a couple ltsp uploads in|
bennabiy: should be, yeah.
-oes it add them to late-packages, or does it install them in the artwork plugin?
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well, ubuntu sneaks in the ldm in artwork
025-artwork I think it is
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vagrantc, alkisg: is there any way to not have a lasting tftp directory?
I mean to have a lasting (like if I wanted to set up menus in it)
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Would it work to set up the menus in tftpboot root dir, and then set the dhcp to look there?
bennabiy: just put your menus in the top-level dir instead of the ltsp generated ones
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and point dhcp to those files instead
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sbalneav, vagrantc: i'm in for an ltsp6 day, less so in tuesday and thursday
|20:25||* alkisg could also arrange to have a webcam for a hangout, if needed...|
bennabiy: that's what I do too... http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2828.0;attach=1672;image
alkisg: where did you pull that menu from?
I know how to make .menu files, but how do I get them to be recognized?
I did it a long time ago, but cannot remember how
that is basically what I want.
Hangouts are always useful.
|20:36||* bennabiy has never "hung out"|
|20:41||* sbalneav prefers his hangouts to involve beer.|
Hangouts or hangovers?
alkisg: you wouldnt part with your source would you?
bennabiy: sure, it's in that forum topic... let me get you a link to use with google translate...
(although I haven't uploaded any new "versions" of that method for the past 2 years, I only have them locally...)
|20:46||* bennabiy really needs to learn greek...|
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Hi, Im new. We have loaded LTSP on openSUSE 12.3 using kiwi. We have booted several machine via PXE and we connect to a Green Screen with "Education openSUSE". Can anyone help me with what comes next? We have been trying things for two days with no success.
alkisg: when you have a ` in there, what does that stand for?
In the tree? It's just the output of the `tree` command, to join the tree "leaves"...
Jason_New: try in #kiwi-ltsp
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gotcha, and all the syslinux stuff is in its own directory, right?
according to your default file, it is, but the tree listing looks like it is all in the root
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hmm.. Script //usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup does not exist, cannot cleanup the chroot.
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Old package? The current debian/ directory should include that file.
(in the .install scripts...)
I think I am not running from my ppa on this machine.
Either add yours, or the greek ppa
ok. Would it hurt it if I stop the build process?
it is compressing the image
hmm. not letting me add my ppa.
sbalneav: my hunch is this next week might be hard, but the following weekend should be good, maybe
sbalneav: i'd definitely like to get a sprint of some kind together, though
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sbalneav: my goal is to get ltsp6 ready-ish in the next 6-8 months
sbalneav: do you remember if there was something wrong with `xprop -spy`, and you had to implement xatomwait? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1248438
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alkisg: i bet your the bzr history knows
vagrantc: for ltsp-localappsd?
move to shell based daemon per Gadi: xrexecd.c -> xatomwait.c, simply wait for an atom to change, print atom contents, and exit. modified xrexecd.sh to xatomwait
it used to be xrexecd, i think
There was no `-spy` parameter
So there was a need for `sleep `, and constant xprop calls, etc
So... remove xatomwait.c and get back to the shell implementation, but with -spy?
Or just leave it for ltsp6 with an ssh socket?
so we either didn't know about -spy or it didn't exist...
i like the idea of incremental improvements
as long as they're not too invasive
Sounds good to me too, I can take care of the code if you take care of any packaging changes needed :)
although i did want to just upload what was in ltsp-trunk saturday without much fuss
hoped to get it this last weekend... got some testing in this week
np, I can do it when we'll do the ltsp coding day
i'd like to try and schedule at least a couple days a month or something to focus on coding
or even a day a week?
Personally I prefer to put a looot of days into one subject, then move to another
So I e.g. wanted to debug 14.04 (not ltsp things) till christmas, and focus on ltsp6 at the summer
(and progress my phd a bit inbetween...)
|22:26||* vagrantc wants ltsp6 ready by summer...|
or mostly ready
|22:29||* alkisg is fine with the "a couple of days per month" approach though|
i'd really like to get some sort of sprint together, ideally in person, sometime this summer
If you can find me a place to stay, I can get there a lot before debconf :)
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team, I am having an issue I cant get pass through....
pb coming up
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I keep getting that error
I done a previous install without issues. about 2 month ago.
I seen a few emails regarding the same issue on the mailing lists but I dont see a fix
another thing I notice that is odd.... 2 month ago the repo had 5.4.5-24.el6 and now it has 5.4.5-22.el6.... It makes no sense