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Channel log from 6 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:46 | <achandrashekar> hello. Ive been trying to research what my options are for clustering ltsp nodes. What solutions exist?
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| 02:46 | mosix is 2.4...it is antiquated.
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| 02:46 | anything out there that work?
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| 02:49 | <johnny> i only see people clustering at the file system level, not cpu ..
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| 02:49 | haven't heard much of the networked cpu clustering ..
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| 02:49 | but i'm no expert for sure
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| 08:28 | <Blinny> Is there a way to enable the new 'Unlock' buttons from admin users logged in at thin clients?
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| 08:28 | :s;from;for
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| 08:55 | <comete> hi
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| 08:55 | i use Edubuntu 8.04 and i have problems with ldm using ldap authentication
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| 08:56 | does ldm support pam ?
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> comete: ldm uses ssh - ssh (server side) uses pam
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| 08:59 | <comete> ok so i can login on the server with an ldap user but on the client i can only login with local accounts
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| 09:00 | if i do modifications to /etc/pam.d/ on the server do i have to do the same in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/pam.d/ ?
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> no
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| 09:00 | no client side pam
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| 09:00 | do the users have home directories?
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| 09:02 | also, if you log in to the server, can you ssh ldapuser@localhost ?
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| 09:03 | <comete> Gadi, yes i can
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| 09:03 | <comete> Gadi, yes they all have home directories
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> in that case, make SCREEN_02=shell, SCREEN_07=ldm, log into ldm with an ldapuser on screen 7 and then when it fails, switch to screen 2 and have a look at /var/log/ldm.log
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| 09:05 | <comete> Gadi, ok i try
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| 09:06 | Gadi, oh and is it possible to use ldm in french by default ?
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> french keyboard or french language?
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| 09:07 | <comete> Gadi, french language
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> hmm... im not sure where thats at (translation-wise)
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| 09:07 | <comete> Gadi, french kb is already ok
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> vagrantc or ogra may know better
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| 09:08 | <comete> ok thanks
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| 09:10 | <Blinny> Hey Gadi do you know how to enable the Unlock buttons when logged in as an admin on a thin client?
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> Blinny: I have no idea what buttons ur talking about
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| 09:11 | :)
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| 09:12 | but, try pressing the red button
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| 09:12 | :P
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| 09:12 | no wait
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| 09:12 | <Blinny> Hardy went to the new way of allowing access to admin interfaces, using an 'Unlock' button.
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> cut the blue wire
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| 09:12 | <Blinny> bah
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| 09:12 | :P
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> and it only works when logged in locally as an admin user?
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| 09:13 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 09:13 | It may be upstream; It also is greyed-out when in through an NX session.
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> hmm... maybe they tied it into gdm
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| 09:13 | so, if you go in thru ssh its not the ssame
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| 09:13 | *same
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| 09:13 | <Blinny> I don't know how to go in through SSH to run something.
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> sure you do, when you use ldm
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| 09:14 | :)
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| 09:14 | <Blinny> heh
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| 09:14 | Oh.
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> or NX for that matter
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| 09:14 | :)
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| 09:14 | both use ssh
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| 09:14 | as an experiment, switch your screen to startx
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| 09:14 | or whatever we call it in hardy
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| 09:14 | xdmcp?
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| 09:15 | and enable remote logins thru gdm
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| 09:15 | and see if it is not greyed out
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| 09:16 | <Blinny> So on the console, find the gdm admin thingy, enable remote logins, then in lts.conf do: SCREEN_0 = startx ?
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> SCREEN_07 = startx
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| 09:17 | tho, they may have changed the screen script name to xdmcp
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| 09:17 | <Blinny> OK lemme hcekc
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> I know vagrantc and warren have been playing with names and paths and such of late
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| 09:18 | * Gadi has so much dev time invested in gutsy, presonally - I haven't as yet played with hardy much | |
| 09:18 | <comete> Gadi, nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> comete: yuck
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| 09:18 | you lost your connection to the server
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| 09:18 | <comete> Gadi, what's that ?
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> the rootfs is mounted with nbd
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| 09:19 | thats the error message you get when the nbd-client cannot talk to the server
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| 09:22 | <comete> strange
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| 09:22 | i try on another one
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| 09:23 | <Blinny> Gadi: SCREEN_07=startx just gives me grey screen w/ X pointer
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| 09:23 | <comete> Gadi, "No xauth data; using fake authentication for X11 forwarding" in ldm.log when login
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| 09:24 | <Blinny> ...trying with =xdmcp
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> Blinny: on the server, do: netstat -anp|grep :177
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| 09:25 | comete: does the login succeed?
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| 09:28 | <Blinny> Gadi: nothing returned from netstat line
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| 09:30 | <comete> Gadi, i've found what it was: an old .xsession file in each home directory... :/
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| 09:30 | Gadi, that works now, thanks
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> Blinny: that means gdm is not listening for remote connections
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| 09:32 | Blinny: you need to enable that and restart gdm
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| 09:32 | rerun that command to check if it is listening
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| 09:32 | comete: good to hear
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| 09:33 | <comete> :) yes but i have other problems now
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| 09:40 | <Blinny> Gadi: The unlock button on 'Users and Groups' is still greyed out when logging in remotely using startx
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| 09:40 | FYI, the modules that still use gtksudo still work
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> Blinny: hmm... then, I have no idea
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| 09:55 | :)
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| 09:55 | surely there's an ubuntu guy running around here somewhere
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| 09:56 | <thirddeep> quick question ...
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| 09:56 | <Blinny> I'm sure there is. And don't call me Shirley.
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| 09:56 | er, surely (;
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| 09:56 | <thirddeep> I change server IP's and can't log in any more on thin client. This is not an ubuntu box, and there is no ltsp-update-sshkeys.
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| 09:57 | now, I know I need to update the keys, just unsure how without that command ...
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| 09:57 | ltsp 4.2 on RHEL 4.5
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| 09:57 | <Blinny> thirddeep: Have you changed the SERVER in lts.conf ?
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| 09:58 | <thirddeep> BINGO ...
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| 09:58 | <----- twat
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| 09:58 | changing and trying now ...
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| 10:01 | <thirddeep> *hands Blinny a cookie*
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| 10:02 | <comete> Gadi, for each session i open on my thin clients, i get a "floppy0" icon on the Desktop, i mean if i open 10 sessions i will get 10 floppy0 icons... Do you have an idea ?
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> thirddeep: Thanks, but I just need my server to work.
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| 10:08 | <thirddeep> I was not in channel when you explained the problem, what is it ?
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> New gui sudo authentication problem in Hardy Heron.
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| 10:12 | <thirddeep> :(
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| 11:40 | <gbolte> hello
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| 12:09 | <r3zon8> im running into the via rhine problem with a t5125, i cant seem to get the client to boot the 2.16 kernel
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| 12:09 | 2.6.16
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| 12:09 | <johnny_> try upgrading? :)
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| 12:09 | that thing is old..
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| 12:09 | <r3zon8> did, still boots to 2.6.17
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| 12:10 | <johnny_> that's old too..
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| 12:10 | <ogra> old ?
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| 12:10 | thats ancient
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| 12:10 | <johnny_> ogra, computer has been up for a day so far :)
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| 12:10 | network is still going
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| 12:10 | <ogra> with the gutsy kernel ?
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| 12:10 | <r3zon8> i just gotta get these few clients up, how can i force the slightly newer kernel/modules
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| 12:10 | <johnny_> yes
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| 12:11 | <ogra> please file a bug then
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| 12:11 | so we can fix it in 8.04.1
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| 12:11 | <johnny_> if it's up by the end of the day i will
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| 12:11 | <ogra> good, thanks for that
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| 12:11 | <johnny_> 2.6.24 sucks anyways
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| 12:11 | * ogra just went through the ldm security bugs for all releases ... sigh, that took some time | |
| 12:11 | <johnny_> gf's computer is obviously slower
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| 12:12 | <ogra> i cant complain here (yet)
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| 12:12 | <johnny_> 2.6.25 seems better on my home machine than 2.6.24
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| 12:12 | <ogra> well, indeed
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| 12:12 | <johnny_> music would skip when i would compile in 2.6.24
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| 12:12 | on a dual core
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| 12:13 | <ogra> but who would use .25 ...
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| 12:13 | i'd wait for .26 proper :)
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| 12:13 | <johnny_> why? it's not like they use the stable odd/even stuff anymore?
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| 12:14 | <ogra> indeed, but i saw a lot stuff going into .25 i would rather not have in a stable kernel :)
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| 12:14 | USB blockdevice persistence for example can trash your whole USB stack if thats not clean ... and its *very* young
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| 12:14 | <johnny_> block device persistence.? i didn't even notice that
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| 12:15 | i usually read the kernelnewbies changelog to keep up
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| 12:15 | <ogra> so you can have / on a USB stick
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| 12:15 | and it survives a suspend
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| 12:15 | (impossible with former kernels by very intrusive)
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| 12:15 | <johnny_> i didn't know that it didn't do that :)
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| 12:15 | prolly cuz i never looked it up
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| 12:16 | i only used usb with / for system recovery stuff
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| 12:16 | <ogra> yeah, its a rare case
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| 12:16 | <ogra> but can affect all of your USB devices if it is buggy
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| 12:17 | * ogra usually prefers stuff that had a slightly longer freeze period to be sure bugs were found | |
| 12:19 | <johnny_> hmm.. i cannot find a way to unmount things from places.. or edit their locations :(
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| 12:19 | like sftp drives
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| 12:20 | <ogra> places never had unmount options
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| 12:20 | can you unmount in the nautilus treeview ?
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| 12:20 | or on the desktop ?
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| 12:20 | <johnny_> they weren't showing up on the desktop.. :(
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| 12:20 | * ogra thinks everyone should just switch to ltspfs and get over all the mount/unmount stuff :P | |
| 12:20 | <johnny_> i'll go back and check again with a new one ..
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| 12:21 | for non ltsp?
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| 12:21 | <ogra> heh, yeah
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| 12:21 | well, i think autofs already does such stuff though, scott stole some code from there afaik
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| 12:23 | <johnny_> i never used autofs
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| 12:23 | i thought it was something old and anachronistic
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| 12:23 | <ogra> me neither, but i looked at it when we had to decide what to take for ltsp
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| 12:26 | <r3zon8> im trying to specify a filename for the kernel in dhcpd.conf and its not listening
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| 12:26 | <johnny_> you don't
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| 12:26 | it's in the pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:29 | <r3zon8> just points to vmlinuz, and ive updated the link it points to, but still nothing
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| 12:44 | <r3zon8> finally
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| 12:44 | thanks johnny, u pointed me in the right direction
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| 13:44 | <gbolte> ogra, are you around
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| 15:36 | <dberkholz> johnny: that mktemp/coreutils problem will be resolved in portage 2.1.5, it handles unmerging conflicting packages
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| 16:26 | <warren_treo> did we decide if we're doing LTSP hackfest before or after OSCON?
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| 16:26 | OSCON itself is very expensive to enter and i likely wont go
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| 16:26 | <jammcq> warren_treo: looks like after
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| 16:26 | Gadi already bought his plane tickets
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| 16:27 | <warren_treo> after it is
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| 16:27 | <jammcq> i'm trying to coordinate with sbalneav
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| 16:27 | <Q-FUNK> that reminds me, we'd need a wiki page with all events ot hackfests where LTSP -related stuff takers place
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| 16:27 | <warren_treo> jammcq, what will our hackfest venue be, eric's office?
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| 16:27 | <Q-FUNK> jammcq: when, where?
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| 16:28 | <jammcq> dunno. vagrantc has offered space.
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| 16:28 | Q-FUNK: Portland, oregon
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| 16:28 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, freegeek
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| 16:28 | <warren_treo> oh
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| 16:29 | <jammcq> looks like July 24-28
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| 16:29 | although for me, July 24 and 28 will be travel days
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| 16:29 | hack days will be 2[567]
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| 18:37 | <johnny> dberkholz, awesome
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| 18:37 | but.. i don't understand why i can't script the unmerge :(
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| 19:26 | <warren> I got Red Hat to sponsor some food for the hackfest
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| 19:26 | <dberkholz> warren: there's plenty of free parts of oscon that are nice, i've gone free before
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| 19:27 | <warren> dberkholz: really? ok
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| 19:27 | <dberkholz> and if you man the fedora booth, you might be able to get into the talks
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| 19:27 | they get a few exhibitor badges
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| 19:27 | <warren> who runs the fedora booth?
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| 19:27 | <dberkholz> good question
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| 19:28 | <warren> none of us are allowed to go there
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| 19:28 | (Red Hat is cheap...)
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| 19:28 | <dberkholz> it's been there for the past few years though
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| 19:28 | do you have local community liaisons or something?
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| 19:29 | <warren> I don't know, Fedora has become too big of an organization for me to know everyone
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| 19:29 | <dberkholz> ask greendisease, he probably knows what's up
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| 19:29 | <warren> we have an entire "ambassadors" wing that I know nothing about
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| 19:29 | <dberkholz> or whatever his nick is nowadays, if he changed it
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| 19:29 | jaboutboul
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| 19:31 | anyway, the exhibit hall's free and fairly cool for a couple days, and there's plenty of bofs and parties at night (all free, of course)
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| 19:32 | also oscamp alongside, which is free (but fairly small)
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| 19:36 | <warren> do you know where to find details of the free part of oscon?
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| 19:36 | and oscamp?
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| 19:37 | <johnny> now if only i could find a way out there..
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| 19:37 | :(
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| 19:37 | <dberkholz> warren: little snippets on http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/content/about
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| 19:38 | warren: 5 of the last 6 little yellow arrows (not the open mobile)
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| 19:38 | under the "experience" section
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| 19:39 | there's also a fairly active free ruby track held in portland at the same time
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| 19:40 | the oscamp.org website seems to be down atm
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| 19:42 | https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/register also specifically says the exhibit hall is free, if you need that documented
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| 19:42 | <warren> dberkholz: thanks for pointing this out
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| 19:43 | <dberkholz> i'm gonna try to get in free this year on a press pass, but i don't know whether i'll succeed
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| 19:43 | i did last yera
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| 19:43 | <ogra> if all fails you can come over to ubuntulive :)
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| 19:44 | <johnny> i'd come..
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| 19:44 | <dberkholz> that's the days before
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| 19:44 | <ogra> 21,22
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| 19:44 | i thought oscon starts earlier ?
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| 19:45 | <dberkholz> technically yes
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| 19:45 | but the real days are wed & thurs
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| 19:45 | before that is the very expensive tutorials
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| 19:45 | <ogra> ah
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| 19:45 | <warren> I don't think Red Hat will let me stay there for over a week
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| 19:45 | in order to go to Ubuntu Live
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| 19:45 | <ogra> i havent been at oscon last time, u-l ended when oscon began and i only saw some weird google promo events
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| 19:45 | <warren> what is Ubuntu Live anyway?
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| 19:46 | <ogra> Ubuntu Live is a vibrant and important gathering of IT professionals, government and business leaders, educators, community leaders, enterprise and business users.
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| 19:46 | qouting from the program
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| 19:47 | <dberkholz> basically ubuntu for people with money
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| 19:47 | <warren> sounds like Red Hat Summit
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| 19:47 | <ogra> well, rather like ubuntu for admins and CTOs
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| 19:47 | its supposed to cover more than just business
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| 19:48 | with tech tracks for people who work with it
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| 19:48 | as well as the general business foo
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| 19:49 | warren, and for people like you to meet chris kenyon to discuss his via statements :P
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| 19:49 | <warren> is kenyon at canonical?
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| 19:50 | <ogra> he's our business development lead
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| 19:50 | <warren> what I find curious about the via affair is that it seemed to me, more of the same typical media behavior from Ubuntu
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| 19:51 | It sounded like Ubuntu taking advantage of getting free press in something that sounded good in a press release, without any benefit to an upstream project or trying to get via to learn how to behave in an upstream fashion.
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| 19:52 | <ogra> well, he tried to say "its great that via opens for the oss devs and does a step in teh right direction" but indeed rolled that in his typical businsess speech which then sounds worng ...
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| 19:52 | <warren> so no, I don't think it would be particularly productive to talk to your business development person
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| 19:53 | <ogra> chris is a plain business guy with not much dev background
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| 19:53 | <warren> I began drafting a letter to via but the mess upstream is extremely challenging for an outsider to understand
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| 19:53 | <ogra> from his perspective it ws a good move (in which he is right, compared to via not caring at all before)
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| 19:53 | <warren> via could provide the leadership that upstream needs to unify the driver again and cut through the bullshit
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| 19:53 | <ogra> he just expresses such stuff in a weird way
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| 19:54 | <warren> via is the main player that has a commerical interest in their own fucking driver
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| 19:54 | <ogra> they didnt have any interest the last years at all
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| 19:54 | now they show *some*
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| 19:54 | <warren> I'm extremely tired of doing favors for vendors that don't try to cooperate with the community
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| 19:54 | <ogra> thats a good step imho ...
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| 19:54 | a letter from you might get them on the right track
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| 19:55 | its a start
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| 19:55 | <warren> yes, that's why I'm working on it
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| 19:55 | I am trying to do some research into the upstream projects before sending it
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| 19:55 | <ogra> and its a good start, however odd it might appeear
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| 19:55 | <warren> here's a question
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| 19:55 | is Ubuntu willing to join me in getting VIA to become a true upstream player?
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| 19:56 | <ogra> i'd guess so
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| 19:56 | <warren> cut through the forked driver bullshit and provide actual leadership in doing their own driver
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| 19:57 | <ogra> Bryce Harrington <bryce@canonical.com> is our X maintainer .... he has surely no objections to line up to get them dtrt
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| 19:57 | and with chris contacts inside of via we might have a lever at the right place
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| 19:58 | so talk to bryce (feel free to refer to me and explain to him what you want) and i'm sure he will listen and agree
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| 19:58 | <warren> I will likely talk to your X maintainer
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| 19:58 | but this letter is going public instead of directly to VIA
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| 20:00 | <ogra> well, just dont turn t into a rant .... there is politics involved on all sides, so that needs soft gloves to not scare via away again
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| 20:00 | <johnny> yeah... for real
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| 20:00 | warren, you should get a proof reader before publishing:)
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| 20:00 | <warren> I'm not going to denounce VIA
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| 20:00 | I'm going to point out how other vendors behave in upstream and list a few things they can do to improve.
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| 20:01 | <ogra> sounds good
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| 20:01 | <warren> and their need to take leadership in the driver mess
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| 20:05 | <dberkholz> warren: have you talked to libv already?
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| 20:06 | him and thomas hellstrom are probably worth talking to
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| 20:06 | <warren> who are they?
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| 20:06 | <dberkholz> warren: basically the reason for the driver split =)
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| 20:07 | libv ~ unichrome, hellstrom ~ openchrome, xorg via driver died because they couldn't agree which direction to go
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| 20:11 | libv is luc verhaegen, if you've seen that name around
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| 20:12 | <dberkholz> he's got all kinds of gems about his relationship with via like http://libv.livejournal.com/6502.html
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| 20:14 | <warren> "yeah but when you and rms are in bed, who calls out whos name? even more cute!"
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| 20:15 | the blog comments contain a lot of WTF
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| 20:17 | <dberkholz> warren: iirc, fiona was his contact at via -- that might provide some context
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| 20:17 | <warren> wow
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| 20:17 | this is some serious wtf
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| 20:18 | anyway, it should suffice to stay the attitudes and simply point out the benefits that their competition has gained by being a true upstream partner
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| 20:18 | look at the commit log of intel driver releases
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| 20:18 | tons of commits from non-intel people
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| 20:18 | <dberkholz> hell, take a look at the radeon driver
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| 20:18 | nobody from ati till they hired one of the main devs
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| 20:21 | <warren> ati hired a X developer?
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| 20:21 | <dberkholz> yes, alex deucher
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| 20:21 | <warren> how long ago was that?
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| 20:21 | <dberkholz> he's the guy who's now prepping all their documentation for open release
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| 20:21 | oh, maybe 6 months
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| 20:21 | http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=6
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| 20:22 | <NovatoxD> hola a todos alguien habla español?
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| 20:22 | <warren> curious that AMD couldn't use ATI's existing X developers
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| 20:22 | (for their closed source driver)
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| 20:22 | maybe they were too encumbered with legal problems
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| 20:23 | <NovatoxD> tengo edubuntu como servidor de terminales
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| 20:23 | pero al iniciar un cliente me manda el seguiente error:
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| 20:23 | <dberkholz> warren: i think it's more a question of the open driver missing so many features that are customer requirements that it's currently cheaper to maintain the closed one at the same time
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| 20:24 | <NovatoxD> can't access tty: job control turned off
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| 20:24 | <dberkholz> warren: although it is my understanding that they plan to open up more of it
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| 20:25 | those features being things that very few people need like hardware stereo support
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| 20:25 | <warren> yeah, it seems that AMD is getting more right
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| 20:25 | did VIA release specs?
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| 20:27 | <NovatoxD> can't access tty: job control turned off
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| 20:27 | <dberkholz> warren: just code, i think. not sure
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| 20:27 | <warren> intel did both specs and code
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| 20:28 | dberkholz: anyway, this is encouraging
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| 20:28 | <dberkholz> http://www.x.org/docs/ has most of the freely available stuff (see AMD, intel directories)
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| 20:28 | <warren> I feel like people who refused to compromise and accept binary drivers in past years have created community and market pressure.
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| 20:28 | <dberkholz> warren: do i hear a bit of fedora cheerleading? =)
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| 20:29 | <warren> Intel took leadership first in community and upstream, and they became the only vendor who has a reputation of JUST WORKING.
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| 20:29 | dberkholz: hell yes. Debian and Fedora.
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| 20:29 | our decision to reject it has not been popular
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| 20:29 | but it was necessary
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| 20:30 | dberkholz: as a younger company you have no idea how much pressure Red Hat was under from both customers and NVidia to just ship their driver
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| 20:30 | dberkholz: we refused customers over this many times
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| 20:30 | this was years ago now, things have clearly changed now
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| 20:30 | <dberkholz> too bad it's hard to quantify how much money and time you actually saved through lack of support
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| 20:31 | <warren> hard to quantify, yes.
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| 20:31 | lowered support costs by being able to directly support everything we ship is only a small part though
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| 20:31 | Red Hat (the market leader) accepting binary drivers years ago would have made it accepted as the norm
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| 20:32 | we wouldn't have the vendors coming onboard to the community like this
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| 20:32 | sure this has not made us popular
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| 20:32 | <johnny> now if only you stopped using rpm... :)
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| 20:32 | lol
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| 20:32 | * johnny breaks up the cheerleading for a moment | |
| 20:33 | <warren> Liberty is not free, nor is it comfortable.
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| 20:33 | <NovatoxD> alguien puedo ayudarme con este error can't access tty: job control turned off
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| 20:34 | <johnny> our resident spanish speaker is not about atm.
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| 20:35 | NovatoxD, that's not an error, that's normal on the first shell afaik
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| 20:35 | <warren> johnny: surely everyone's perceived dislike of rpm is not rpm itself but really the equivalent of apt?
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| 20:35 | <dberkholz> (translation: can someone help me with this error)
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| 20:35 | warren: i think rpm spec files look ugly
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| 20:35 | <johnny> yes.. i understand that much spanish :)
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| 20:36 | <warren> dberkholz: that may be a matter of preference
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| 20:36 | <dberkholz> the requirement to add major versions into package names i dislike, and epoch
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| 20:36 | <warren> uh, Deb has the equivalent of epoch
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| 20:36 | with a different name
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| 20:36 | <dberkholz> i dislike it there too =)
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| 20:36 | <warren> "add major versions into package names" meaning what?
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| 20:36 | <dberkholz> gtk-2
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| 20:37 | <warren> that isn't a requirement
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| 20:37 | <NovatoxD> johnny
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| 20:37 | <dberkholz> it is if you need multiple versions installed at the same time, unless something's changed
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| 20:37 | <warren> what does debian do to ship both gtk1 and gtk2 at the same time?
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| 20:37 | <johnny> they do that warren
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| 20:37 | <warren> how are these rpm specific problems then?
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| 20:38 | <johnny> didn't think dberkholz was speaking against rpm only
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| 20:38 | <dberkholz> i wasn't, it did sound like you were though
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| 20:39 | <NovatoxD> johnny can you help me?
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| 20:39 | <johnny> NovatoxD, that error you said.. is not a problem
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| 20:39 | <NovatoxD> i have other problem
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| 20:39 | <johnny> yes :)
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| 20:40 | <warren> it sounds like deb and rpm both designed themselves into the same problems
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| 20:40 | <dberkholz> that's of course why we needed pardus to design a new package format
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| 20:42 | it seems like a lot of people (and distros) think that package management is a solved problem
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| 20:42 | <NovatoxD> mount: bfsmount faiiled:: bat file descriptor
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| 20:42 | <dberkholz> i still think there's considerable room for improvement
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| 20:42 | <johnny> NovatoxD, what distro ?
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| 20:42 | NovatoxD, what ltsp version?
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| 20:42 | <warren> dberkholz: oh, we hate rpm too. really.
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| 20:44 | <NovatoxD> Johnny: i dont remember the version
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| 20:44 | <johnny> NovatoxD, what distro version?
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| 20:45 | <NovatoxD> edubuntu 6.06
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| 20:45 | <johnny> NovatoxD, you should upgrade
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| 20:45 | <NovatoxD> for the ltsp i don remember
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| 20:45 | yes
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| 20:45 | i update
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| 20:46 | <johnny> and then rebuild yur ltsp chroot
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| 20:46 | NovatoxD, that is, unless you have a support contract with canonical.. in which case you should talk to them :)
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| 20:49 | <NovatoxD> johnny: i dont support
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| 20:49 | <johnny> NovatoxD, you should upgrade, and then come back
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| 20:51 | <NovatoxD> ok
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| 20:51 | tanks
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| 20:51 | johnny
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| 20:52 | returnet tomorrow
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| 20:52 | <johnny> NovatoxD, there are also many ubuntu experts here
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| 20:52 | who are sleeping at this time
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| 20:52 | <NovatoxD> When this I in my PC
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| 20:52 | <johnny> if you come back earlier, you might catch them
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| 20:52 | <NovatoxD> good night
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| 20:52 | <johnny> good night
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| 21:10 | <warren> dberkholz: actually, by https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/register#pricing it sounds like BOF are not free
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| 21:15 | <dberkholz> huh.
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| 21:15 | <warren> dberkholz: the web page implies that BOF access is a benefit of paying
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| 21:15 | <dberkholz> i suspect you could get in anyway, i doubt anyone would be watching that close, particularly at the later ones
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| 21:15 | <warren> we can't tell people about a fedora BOF only for them to be turned away
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| 21:16 | <dberkholz> my reading agrees with yours
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| 21:18 | you could claim that your bof was part of oscamp, i suppose
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| 21:18 | yay, i filed a gnome bug
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> alright, 25th-27th it is!
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| 22:26 | <johnny> vagrantc, hey hey
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> i'll update my request to use the freegeek space, and maybe prod some people to get confirmation
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| 22:26 | johnny: how goes?
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| 22:26 | <johnny> just working on a website atm.. or attempting to..
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| 22:27 | there's still an unresolved issue with gettng my code merged
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| 22:27 | not sure if it will be solved until 2008.0 release
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> johnny: the non-LTSP bits?
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| 22:30 | <johnny> i need to figure out my chroot generator isn't doing what it is supposed to.
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| 22:31 | i should try again
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| 22:31 | now that ihave a moment
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| 22:31 | <dberkholz> johnny: well, we can just custom-generate a stage and use that. we don't have to wait on releng
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| 22:33 | <johnny> sure...
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| 22:34 | <dberkholz> if we're clever, we might even be able to sneak it onto ltsp.org
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| 22:34 | we'd better not tell anyone else, though
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| 22:36 | <johnny> well we can't release until we get official tarballs
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| 22:37 | as far as i'm concerned, ltspfs and ldm are done
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| 22:37 | it's only ltsp-client and server
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| 22:37 | since we don't need nbd support to get stuff out
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| 22:37 | altho we should work on it..
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| 22:40 | <dberkholz> i saw something recently hit the kernel about partitions on nbd
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