IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 2 August 2013   (all times are UTC)

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09:06
<rickogden>
hey, in the lts.conf can you have multiple like= on a single MAC entry?
09:19
<Hyperbyte>
rickogden, no idea... why don't you try it out? By running 'getltscfg -a' on the client in a local xterm or screen_02 you can see what config values the client loaded.
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09:20
<rickogden>
Hyperbyte: will do!
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10:10
<vlt>
Hello. I’m on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and LTSP and want to use Skype on my clients. What is the recommended way?
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10:30
<Velyks>
I'd run it as a local app. Seeing as how resource intensive it is
10:31
<Hyperbyte>
Plus, it will save your network from having to transport a lot of raw audio data between client/server.
10:33
<vlt>
Ok, thank you.
10:34
I’ll try to install skype into the chroot env
10:34
... and see
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13:27
<bennabiy>
Hello!
13:27
Anyone able to help with a video issue?
13:27
Mint 15 server/ Ubu 13.04 client image
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14:51
<workingcats>
bennabiy, don't ask to ask... ;)
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15:59
<bennabiy>
Hard knowing who is around
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16:33
<Hyperbyte>
bennabiy, what workingcats means is:
16:33
!ask
16:33
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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16:57
<dead_inside>
so just ask your question, if someone around knows they will answer
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17:14
<bennabiy>
Thank you
17:15
I have an issue with my thin clients showing an LVDS display connected, when there is not one. Thin clients are HP st5742
17:17
If I do a XRANDR_DISABLED = True then I can at least see the menus on the screen, and have a somewhat centered login screen. If not, it looks like my login screen is caught centering between my screen, and a non existent screen (so half the logo and login field is off the right hand of the screen) as well as the background only showing half of a picture.
17:18
When I look at the Monitors, I see an entry for LAPTOP and for the screen that is connected.
17:18
<Hyperbyte>
Ah. You need to disable the LVDS output completely.
17:18
<bennabiy>
How
17:18
<Hyperbyte>
Three possible ways, AFAIK
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17:19
<Hyperbyte>
One, as a kernel parameter during PXE boot, via /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
17:19
Two, as some permanent Xorg configuration in the LTSP client chroot
17:19
Or three, via some lts.conf XRANDR_* parameter
17:20
<bennabiy>
I thought I tried the first one, but perhaps I did not put in the right command.
17:20
<Hyperbyte>
Unfortunately I am not sure which method is preferred or what the syntax is for any of those
17:20
What did you try?
17:21
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151/comments/1
17:22
<bennabiy>
that is what I tried, but I guess I did not edit the right file, as my changes are no longer there
17:24
when I update the tftp file, do I need to rebuild my client image?
17:25
<Hyperbyte>
Nope
17:26
<bennabiy>
Ok. Let me see if that fixes it.
17:26
<Hyperbyte>
In fact, when you run ltsp-update-kernels the pxelinux.cfg/default file would probably get reset.
17:26
<bennabiy>
what about lts.conf changes? Do I need to rebuild?
17:26
<Hyperbyte>
No. In fact, you should never "rebuilt"
17:26
<bennabiy>
I mean update
17:27
<Hyperbyte>
ltsp-build-client creates the client chroot. This should only happen once, or unless you really screw up your client chroot and need a new one.
17:27
<bennabiy>
I have never run update-kernels but the file pxelinux.cfg/default has been overwritten twice
17:27
<Hyperbyte>
As for ltsp-update-image, this command generates an LTSP client image in /opt/ltsp/images/ from the chroot (by default in /opt/ltsp/i386/)
17:28
<bennabiy>
yes, pardon my faulty terminology
17:28
<Hyperbyte>
So only if you modify something in /opt/ltsp/i386/, only then do you need to run ltsp-update-image
17:28
ltsp-update-kernels might be called by ltsp-update-image, not sure.
17:28
Generally speaking, once the clients are to your satisfaction - do not touch.
17:28
<bennabiy>
That makes sense
17:28
<Hyperbyte>
If you're using thin clients, there is no point in updating or modifying them, unless you are having problems.
17:31
<bennabiy>
Great! It fixed it when I updated video=LVDS-1:d
17:31
to the default
17:32
<Hyperbyte>
Good!
17:34
<bennabiy>
Next question... How can I customize the plymouth and or position of the logo / uname / pw on the ldm screen
17:35
<Hyperbyte>
Customize plymouth... the exact same as with any regular Ubuntu installation, except you make your modifications in /opt/ltsp/i386/
17:35
(which means you also run ltsp-update-image afterwards - see if it overwrites your kernel parameters?.... perhaps there's a better way of specifying those, see if there's config in /etc/ltsp/)
17:36
<bennabiy>
I did that, and the changes never made it to the actual client even after update-image
17:36
the default file references a nonexistent file call /etc/ltsp/update-kernel.conf
17:37
<Hyperbyte>
As for ldm, there are LDM themes in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/... you can modify them there. You cannot change the layout of anything unfortunately, just the images. Well I suppose you could change the layout if you hacked the source and recompiled ldm....
17:37
<bennabiy>
saying to make changes there, but there is no document on what to put in that file
17:37
<Hyperbyte>
bennabiy, sorry to say, but if you made changes to /opt/ltsp/i386/, did ltsp-update-image and it didn't work - you did it wrong.
17:37
Put this in lts.conf:
17:37
!screen_02
17:37
<ltsp>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
17:38
<bennabiy>
I have it :)
17:38
<Hyperbyte>
Then press ctrl+alt+f2 when you get a login prompt... you'll get a root shell... check for yourself, your changes are there in the image.
17:38
If they don't work, the changes are wrong :)
17:39
<bennabiy>
All I did was overwrite the default filenames with my own images... is there a viewer I could use to verify?
17:39
I guess I could install ssh and scp the files back to the server to check them
17:40
<Hyperbyte>
You can install anything in the running machine by the way
17:40
It'll be gone after reboot, but you can experiment.
17:40
*running thin client
17:40
<bennabiy>
do you know of a command line image viewer?
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17:57
<Hyperbyte>
Hah, I'm sure one exists.
17:57
How about typing md5sum file.jpg
17:57
And see if it matches up to the other one?
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18:02
<bennabiy>
good call
18:02
Let me check that
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18:09
<bennabiy>
my files are on the client
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18:16
<Hyperbyte>
So, the config is wrong.
18:16
Maybe something to do with update-alternatives?
18:16
I remember fighting with this on Ubuntu.
18:17
It is possible though, I've done it at the radio station where I volunteer.
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18:21
<bennabiy>
any advice you have would be much appreciated
18:23
<Hyperbyte>
bennabiy, I don't. This is not LTSP related too.
18:23
You could ask this in #ubuntu
18:25
<bennabiy>
Think I found the answer... need to sudo update-initramfs -u
18:25
in the chroot
18:26
I asked in here because it involved the thin client, but I guess it stopped there, as it was the same process as on a regular server, except being prefixed in the chroot dir
18:26
I really appreciate your help.
18:27
<Hyperbyte>
Exactly. LTSP does some magic, but when that ends, regular Linux begins. :)
18:28
You're very welcome by the way.
18:32
<bennabiy>
Hyperbyte, are you in the states?
18:32
One question regarding LTSP and modifying the CHROOT
18:33
Do I need to mount anything special when I need to chroot and make changes?
18:34
<Hyperbyte>
I'm in the Netherlands
18:35
<bennabiy>
Do you ever make it to Germany?
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18:36
<Hyperbyte>
As for modifying the chroot... yes, you need to mount all kind of stuff. Easiest is to type 'ltsp-chroot', it does all the magic for you. Also, to avoid confusion... when you type ltsp-chroot, /opt/ltsp/i386/ becomes /
18:36
Type 'exit' when done
18:36
Yeah, I've been to Germany lots of times.
18:36
I had a girlfriend who lived in Montabauer, later in Frankfurt.
18:37
I've been to Montabauer, Frankfurt and Cologne lots of times... Koblenz once or twice.
18:37
Germany is nice.
18:37
From the question, I presume Germany is your home country?
18:37
<jammcq>
howdy Hyperbyte
18:37
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Jim. :)
18:37
<bennabiy>
We have a community there
18:38
http://maps.google.com/?q=Klosterzimmern+1%2C+86738%2C+Deiningen%2C+de
18:38
We are having a Hoffest today through this weekend
18:39
<Hyperbyte>
Hoffest?
18:39
<jammcq>
ah, not far from Stuffgart
18:39
<bennabiy>
http://www.hoffest-klosterzimmern.de/
18:39
<jammcq>
i've been there many times
18:39
<bennabiy>
yes
18:39
beautiful area
18:39
Farm festival
18:39
<Hyperbyte>
Oh boy.
18:39
I am -so- coming to Deiningen this weekend.
18:40
:P
18:40
<bennabiy>
It is not your usual thing....
18:40
We tend to be pretty controversial
18:40
<Hyperbyte>
Heheheh
18:41
<bennabiy>
I personally am in the states
18:41
<Hyperbyte>
And that means what, exactly?
18:41
<bennabiy>
There are many in the government in Bavaria that do not agree with our views on our rights to train up our children at home, rather than sending them off to public school
18:41
It has raised quite the stir
18:42
<jammcq>
ah, home schooling
18:42
<Hyperbyte>
bennabiy, I can imagine.
18:43
<bennabiy>
Anyways, if you are in the area, feel free to stop by anytime
18:43
You can tell them ben-Nabiy sent you
18:43
:)
18:43
<Hyperbyte>
Mind if I take a pass on that? :)
18:44
<bennabiy>
Nope
18:44
<jammcq>
bennabiy: you are in the states?
18:44
<bennabiy>
Yes
18:44
<jammcq>
where at?
18:44
<bennabiy>
Right now, North Carolina
18:44
<jammcq>
i'm up in Michigan
18:44
<Hyperbyte>
No offense, but I'm a city boy. I grew up near Rotterdam, looking at the big buildings. I'll take the busy stinking unfriendly city over those cozy quiet German towns you guys have, anytime.
18:45
<bennabiy>
Near Detroit?
18:45
<jammcq>
yeah, about 35 miles north-west of detroit
18:45
<bennabiy>
Hyperbyte: We have communities in the cities as well
18:46
Our tall ship is in the great lakes right now
18:46
<Hyperbyte>
I remember being in Montabaeur with my girlfriend... she actually lived in a small town near Montabauer... so I said "let's go eating out tonight"... she said "okay, I'll get the car"
18:46
I was like "no, let's walk - it's a nice night"
18:46
She said "are you nuts?"... turns out the nearest restaurant was 2 towns away
18:46
I mean, that's just... nuts.
18:46
Call me spoiled, but there you have it.
18:46
<bennabiy>
jammcq, are you able to cross the border?
18:46
<jammcq>
into Canada ?
18:46
<bennabiy>
I understand :)
18:47
<jammcq>
yeah
18:47
<bennabiy>
yes
18:47
<jammcq>
I do it a couple times a year
18:47
<bennabiy>
We are going to be at a port about 25 miles from you
18:47
<jammcq>
doing what?
18:47
<bennabiy>
Kingsville, ON
18:47
Tall ship event
18:47
peacemakermarine.org
18:48
<jammcq>
cool
18:48
<bennabiy>
Aug 30 - Sep 1
18:49
Free tours :)
18:49
question: How does ltsp-chroot know WHICH chroot I want to work in?
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18:51
<Hyperbyte>
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/ltsp-chroot.8.html
18:59
<bennabiy>
Thank you
18:59
Well, I am off. Time to cook up some fish
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