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Channel log from 2 July 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<try2free>
hi
02:58
can someone help some of my computer not recognize sound card. how to enable it?
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<try2free>
hi alkisg
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<alkisg>
hi
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<alkisg>
stgraber, ping?
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<try2free>
alkisg: can you help me, i have problem with some of our computers soundcard
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<alkisg>
try2free: I don't know what module your card needs. But why don't you try in #ubuntu to find the module, so then you can put it in the chroot?
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<try2free>
alkisg: i don't understand with module and chroot, how to do that?
03:40
alkisg: first how to find? command?
03:40
<alkisg>
try2free: I mean that you need to split your problem in 2 steps
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<alkisg>
1. Find the module that your card needs. That is not LTSP related.
03:40
So, you can ask in #ubuntu or google for your card.
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<alkisg>
2. When you have found the module, then put it in the chroot.
03:41
For (2), I can help you, but you need to do (1) before that.
03:41
<try2free>
i can identify one of my machine is Intel Corp 82801EB AC'97
03:41
<alkisg>
and?
03:42
<try2free>
alkisg: for (2) how to do that?
03:42
<alkisg>
try2free: you're still in (1).
03:42
<try2free>
alkisg: ok, so i must find that sound card module first
03:42
<alkisg>
Yes
03:43
I mean, that you should first be able to get it working in a normal installation and _then_ try to get it working under ltsp...
03:43
if you don't know the correct module, then ltsp won't be able to make your card work
03:44
<try2free>
alkisg: but how to find out the module is correct?
03:44
<alkisg>
try2free: you can ask in #ubuntu. More people there, one of them might have your card. Or, you can google for it.
03:44
Don't expect people here to know all the modules about all the hardware...
03:45
<try2free>
can i skip number (1) and ask how to do number (2)?
03:48
<alkisg>
try2free: sure. The answer is in the docs, chapter 12.
03:48
"Chapter 12. Modules and startup scripts"
03:49
<try2free>
alkisg: ok, tq
03:49
<alkisg>
yw
03:50
http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#modules-scripts
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<try2free>
alkisg: ok, you'r very helpfull
03:51
<alkisg>
try2free: what version do you use? if you use an older one like hardy, it's possible that a new one may contain the drivers for your card, without the need for you to install any modules
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<try2free>
alkisg: you right i am using hardy
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<sunru>
hello, does anyone know about the sunrays? are they usable?
04:39
<ogra_>
sunru, nope
04:39
(meaning they arent)
04:39
<sunru>
ok so just hp's and wyse ?
04:39* ogra_ would reccommend disklessworkstations.com clients ... but HP or wyse should work as well
04:40
<sunru>
I refering to dedicated thinclient hw.
04:40* ogra_ too
04:41
<nubae>
04:41
upgrade my script
04:41
starting to get death threats via email :-)
04:42
<ogra_>
ouch
04:43
<nubae>
if u dont make fat client work jaunty , I'll show u just how fat your face can get....
04:43
;-)
04:43
<ogra_>
tell him now you wont because his tone has taken all your fun on upgrading :P
04:47
<sunru>
gee firefox still sux.
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<sunru>
iceweasel whatever :), still have to shut it down after a day or 2.
04:49* sunru wants another few t537?
04:49* sunru ignores his typo
04:49
<ogra_>
which version are you using ? 3.0 and 3.5 work decently here
04:49
<sunru>
oh yeh i'm running sid here.
04:50
<ogra_>
well, that should have a 3.5 build, shouldnt it ?
04:50* ogra_ runs karmic so cant tell much about iceweasle
04:51
<sunru>
hmm
04:51
I haven't seen these ltsp thin clients on hp's site?
04:52
<ogra_>
which ones ?
04:54
<sunru>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/
04:55
<ogra_>
they being HP partner doesnt mean they sell HP stuff :)
04:55
but if you buy there, parts of the money fund LTSP development
04:56
disklessworkstations is one of the backing companies behind LTSP
04:56
beyond that the clients get all tested with all LTSP implementations of all distros
04:57
(well, at least i'm sure about ubuntu, debian and fedora, not so sure they test with kiwi-ltsp on suse)
04:57
<sunru>
ok
04:58
LTSP products.
04:58
<ogra_>
yeah :)
04:58
<sunru>
probably HP helped out with manufacture/design etc?
04:58* sunru is curious
04:59
<ogra_>
night be that there are debranded HP boards in some
04:59
<sunru>
oh ic
04:59
<ogra_>
_UsUrPeR_ would know, he works there
04:59
<sunru>
ok thanks for the info.
04:59
<ogra_>
but likely isnt up yet
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sunry: hello?
07:05
err sunru: hello
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra_: for the record, we have atom and via-based thinclients
07:09
not really sure what HP is using...
07:15
<ogra__>
well, you have the HP partner logo on the page
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<alkisg>
stgraber: ping?
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<stgraber>
alkisg: pong (will have to leave soon though)
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<stgraber>
alkisg1: pong (will have to leave soon though)
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<alkisg>
stgraber: why did you put -n (=stop if you don't get a lease) to the udhcpc call?
08:21
It works better without it
08:22
and, the only communication we get with the "outside world" is from /conf/param.conf, right?
08:22
<stgraber>
probably used that when developping the script, what's the behavior without it ? trying again ?
08:23
<alkisg>
Yes, after waiting 1 minute (that's what the specs say)
08:23
<stgraber>
/conf/param.conf is sourced afterwards so that's the only easy way to send a value to the next initramfs scripts
08:24
<alkisg>
OK. vagrantc had make a script to read BOOTIF to get the correct $DEVICE (it may not be eth0). It uses ifconfig to locate the interface, is that OK or should I change it to use `ip`?
08:25
<stgraber>
ifconfig isn't part of the initramfs
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<alkisg>
I think it is, at least that's what I remember from trying it last week
08:26
stgraber: ok, I'll change it to use `ip`.
08:27
And a last question, is the waiting for 'link up' and the initialization (ip link set eth0 up) needed? I think udhcpc takes care of that as well...
08:28
(and, if a static IP is used, then it can be set even when the link is down... - at least I think so)
08:28
<stgraber>
IIRC I had issue with that and so had to do it but please check, if we can get rid of it that's great
08:28
<alkisg>
OK, thanks a lot.
08:29
<stgraber>
anyway, got to go now, see you a bit later
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:11
<rjune_wrk>
!s
09:11
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:11
<Lumiere>
!s too!
09:11
<ltspbot>
Lumiere: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
09:11
<Lumiere>
lol
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<sbalneav>
Lumiere: I don't think it wants the extra stuff on then end.
09:14
<Lumiere>
I know
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: pingerson?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: when you get a moment, this configure-x.sh script is giving me issues. It seems to stop the TC from booting, and I can't switch screens to a shell. The lower half of the elo touch flashes blue every 15 seconds or so.
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<Gadi>
well, thats yucky
12:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah :/
12:45* vagrantc is fighting with mysterious random crashing application servers
12:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
also: not seeing any effects unless I use configure_x = true. Does that make sense?
12:46
<vagrantc>
and it's giving diskless terminals a bad rap :(
12:46
<Gadi>
seems like the computers are ready for the holiday weekend
12:47
_UsUrPeR_: it could - I have to have a better peak at the code
12:47
*peek
12:47
man, my spelling is ready for the weekend too
12:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
sure. what portion? Is there something you need from me?
12:47
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: $chroot/usr/share/ltsp/screen_session.d/
12:48
er, screen-session.d
12:48
thats where all the magic happens
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<rjune_wrk>
!g
12:48
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:48
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: have you installed any of the evdev packages or anything?
12:48* Gadi waves to rjune_wrk
12:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: negative.
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: are you gonna use the elotouch or the evrouch driver?
12:49
*evtouch
12:50
I think you need to install one of them
12:50
actually, hold that
12:50
maybe not
12:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
using USB, it seems to detect everything ok
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<_UsUrPeR_>
it's just upside-down and a smaler resolution
12:50
<Gadi>
can you boot up without configure_x=true and check what modules its loading and using
12:50
(lsmod, and Xorg.7.log)
12:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
sure
12:50
gonna take a sec
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<_UsUrPeR_>
installing openssh on client to get info off
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<Gadi>
you're hoping to get the client off with openssh?
13:01
man, you've got some weird clientele
13:01* Lns shakes his head at Gadi
13:01* Gadi hangs his head in shame
13:01
<rjune_wrk>
Gadi: only you would come up with terminal porn
13:02
<johnny>
and Gadi strikes again
13:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
specifically the info, not the clients themselves
13:02
<Gadi>
ah
13:02
actually, terminal porn's as old as ascii art
13:02
<rjune_wrk>
I don't want to know.
13:02
<Lns>
ascii stupid question, get a stupid ansi
13:03
<Gadi>
oy
13:03* CAN-o-SPAM hires "professional" help for the LTSP Team
13:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
so... uhmm... gimme a second... anyway
13:03
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: take as much time as you need...
13:03
;)
13:04
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM, professional is soooo not irc =p
13:04
<CAN-o-SPAM>
I heard a rumor bill gates comes into this channel once and awhile
13:04
He's planning for Windows 7.5
13:04
<Gadi>
looking for ascii art
13:04
why do you think he doesnt need more than 64K?
13:05
<Lns>
don't you mean Windows 7 SP2?
13:05
<CAN-o-SPAM>
no 7.5 ... it's half as good as 7
13:05
<Lns>
lol
13:05* CAN-o-SPAM thinks Gadi's trying to sabotage my work ...
13:05
<Lns>
but it's the best windows EVER!
13:05
<CAN-o-SPAM>
UsUrPeR just brought down the network
13:05
<hgrover>
Hi everyone, I'm looking for help with an LTSP problem--on thin client boot, all we get is a blinking cursor on a black screen. We traced it back to NBD, and restarting nbd fixes the problem. Does anyone know a permanent fix for this?
13:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
liez!
13:06
<Gadi>
nice
13:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
>_>
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<Lns>
!dist
13:06
<ltspbot>
Lns: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
13:06
<Lns>
hgrover, ^^^ :)
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<hgrover>
we're running jaunty on everything
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<Gadi>
hgrover: you should not be running nbd as a daemon
13:06
it is run out of inetd
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in other words, you should never use the phrase "I restarted nbd"
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<hgrover>
haha, alright
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<Lns>
in soviet russia, nbd restarts you!
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13:17* CAN-o-SPAM thanks OO.org Document Recovery & FireFox Restore Session
13:18
<Gadi>
Lumiere: ping
13:20
<Lumiere>
hi?
13:20
Gadi: pong?
13:20
<Gadi>
Lumiere: !!
13:20
hgrover tells me you're a friend of his
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:)
13:21
<hgrover>
gadi is helping me with the blinking cursor, lumiere
13:21
<Gadi>
any friend of hgrover is a friend of mine
13:21
<Lumiere>
lol hi henry :)
13:21* Lumiere is sitting in a car dealership
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<Gadi>
ah
13:21
hehe
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<Lumiere>
Gadi: good luck :)
13:22
hgrover is one of my projects ^^
13:22
<Gadi>
he tells me you speak of a known bug in jaunty with nbd-server
13:22
<Lumiere>
I had heard about in here some bugs... but I am not really surprised
13:22
Gadi: that mean that ogra is the one to ask about it?
13:22
<Gadi>
heh
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<hgrover>
ogra told me to contact stgraber, who doesn't know about it either
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<ogra>
bus ?
13:23
<Gadi>
ogras up to his elbows in ARMs atm
13:23
<ogra>
there are no bugs :P
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<Lumiere>
lol hi ogra
13:23
<Gadi>
and he doesn't know from bugs
13:23* Lns raises his hand ;)
13:23
<ogra>
get frogs...
13:23
they eat flys and bugs
13:23
<hgrover>
phone, brb
13:23
<Lumiere>
hgrover: maybe it is something we need to look at monday when things start up for real? :)
13:23
<Lns>
i was reminded yesterday about the nbd_swap issue when booting multiple clients, killing the servers' entropy during 'dd' creation of swapfiles in /tmp
13:24
<Gadi>
Lumiere: just because ur in a car dealership, doesnt mean you can start talking trash
13:24
:P
13:24
<Lns>
causing other clients to miss their dhcp request on boot
13:24
and others hanging a looooooooooong time on 'Negotiation:" (creating swapfile on server)
13:24
<hgrover>
yes lns, that's it!
13:24
<Lns>
heh =p
13:24
<Gadi>
well, thats an easy fix
13:25
force the server to use pseudo-random number generators
13:25
or hardware number generator
13:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: ok, distracted for a moment there. All set now
13:26
what do you need from the data I just pulled down?
13:26
<Gadi>
hgrover: try installing the rng-tools package on the server
13:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
I have all screen-session.d files and the Xorg.7.log
13:26
<Gadi>
lol
13:27
_UsUrPeR_: paste the log file
13:27
<Lns>
Gadi, would installing rng-tools substitute what nbd is doing automatically?
13:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
rgr
13:27
<Gadi>
Lns: shall I give you an entropy primer?
13:27
:)
13:27
<Lumiere>
lol
13:27
<Gadi>
I was a math major
13:27
:)
13:27
and a EE
13:27
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "For gadi - Xorg.7.log" (1025 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/395
13:28
<Lns>
Gadi, well i understand it *kind of* from the firefox 3 issues w/ltsp long ago
13:28
<ogra>
Lns, move /tmp to a tmpfs ;)
13:28
<Gadi>
we can talk about Gibbs Free Energy
13:28
<Lns>
ogra, ha!
13:29
<Gadi>
entropy is the level of disorder in a system
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<Gadi>
computers tend to not have much entropy at all
13:29
naturally
13:29
as they deal with ordered sets of info
13:29
<Lns>
http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20081104_pg1.html
13:29
<CAN-o-SPAM>
microsoft disk defrag says differently
13:30
<jrock2004>
Is it possible to create a whitlelist of sites that are able to be viewed and only those sites?
13:30
<Gadi>
yet, when you need random numbers, you need randomness, aka, disorder
13:30
so, you look for sources of disorder
13:30
which tend to be sensor data
13:30
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, so you are outing yourself as a microsoft beliver, AHA !
13:30
<Gadi>
the random intervals between things, static, etc
13:31
<Lns>
Gadi, inputdev, ... =)
13:31
which an ltsp server would have little of
13:31
<Gadi>
the linux kernel grabs most from mouse movements, keyboard strokes, and interrupt timings on disks
13:31
correct
13:31
<Lns>
which would make a lot of sense when you need multiple instances of lots of entropy from clients and the server itself has very little going on
13:31
<Gadi>
now, from there youhave 2 options
13:31
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: I'm what we would identify as a fence rider
13:31
<Gadi>
use a pseudo-rng
13:31
<ogra>
heh
13:32
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: ltsp -> rdesktop all day :)
13:32
<Gadi>
which uses a formula to produce "randomness"
13:32
<ogra>
haha
13:32
<Gadi>
OR, if your motherboarrd has a hardware RNG, you can populate the queue with real random bits
13:32
thats what rng-tools does
13:32
and many servers have a hardware RNG
13:33
for just that purpose
13:33
<Lns>
mine don't :(
13:33
<jrock2004>
Is it possible to create a whitlelist of sites that are able to be viewed and only those sites?
13:33
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: looks like you use evdev (predictable) and it correctly picks up the device
13:34
<Lns>
Gadi, so what your'e saying is that if one installs the psuedo-rng tools, it will take the place of what nbd_swap creation is doing with no further configuration?
13:34
<Gadi>
now, lets find a way to calibrate
13:34
Lns: not exactly
13:34
<CAN-o-SPAM>
jrock2004: i believe your anwser is yes, but i cannot give u any further info
13:34
<Gadi>
if the problem is that the server runs out of entropy,
13:34
it means the process that requires the entropy is using /dev/random
13:35
<ogra>
Gadi, evdev doesnt know about touchscreens that are not usbtouchscreen ... no chance to calibrate that
13:35
<Gadi>
which produces real random bits from the kernel
13:35
the problem is that when /dev/random runs out of bits
13:35
<ogra>
its will always configure a mouse (see Xorg.*.log)
13:35
<Gadi>
it makes the process wait until it gets more
13:35
it is "blocking"
13:35
so, you either need to feed it more bits constantly
13:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
If it counts for anything: I have never wanted to calibrate anything more in my entire life.
13:36
<Gadi>
(with a hardware rng + rng-tools)
13:36
<jrock2004>
CAN-o-SPAM: what would you like to know
13:36
<Gadi>
OR you need to get the process to use /dev/urandom
13:36
which supplies pseudo-random bits in a nonblocking way
13:36
<jrock2004>
CAN-o-SPAM: My users should not see sites like CNN or Youtube. I want to make a list of company appoved sites
13:37
CAN-o-SPAM: if the site is not on the list do not allow it to work
13:37
<CAN-o-SPAM>
jrock2004: i'm the least tech in here ... but i think what you need is some sort of firewall to create your whitelist. A blacklist is no good if your users know how to spell p-r-o-x-y
13:38
<jrock2004>
CAN-o-SPAM: These guys are not that smart and if he is caught he will be fired immediately
13:38
<ogra>
jrock2004, thats not ltsp specific, you want a proxy server
13:38
jrock2004, dansguardian or squidguard
13:38
<jrock2004>
ogra: Ok I was not sure if LTSP had something for that
13:38
<Gadi>
ogra: shall _UsUrPeR_ switch to evtouch?
13:38
<ogra>
ltsp has nothing to do with that, no
13:38
<Lns>
Gadi, hmm, maybe one could simply try by s/random/urandom on the necessary ltsp scripts?
13:38
<ogra>
its software to make thin clients run, nothing more :)
13:39
<Lns>
I believe that was the same thing that the FF team did
13:39
at least in part
13:39
<ogra>
Gadi, only if the touchscreen is supported by it
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13:39
<Gadi>
Lns: or you could: rm /dev/random; ln -s /dev/urandom /dev/random
13:39
;)
13:39
<ogra>
Gadi, i would suggest using the driver he knows works and configure it with a static xorg.conf
13:40
<Gadi>
ogra: which is evdev?
13:40
<Lns>
Gadi, really? That won't jack anything else up?
13:40
<ogra>
Gadi, huh ? for touchscreens ?
13:40
<Gadi>
ogra: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/395
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13:41
<ogra>
Gadi, i thought _UsUrPeR_ said something different this morning
13:41
<Gadi>
Lns: it will just make everything use pseudo-random
13:41
ogra: thats what jaunty does by default
13:42
(the paste)
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13:42
<ogra>
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "EloTouchSystems,Inc Elo TouchSystems 2216 AccuTouch? USB Touchmonitor Interface" (type: MOUSE)
13:42
see the last bracket :)
13:42
<Gadi>
right
13:42
<ogra>
dont belive jaunty if it comes to touchscreens
13:42
i didnt have time to fix it :)
13:42
<CAN-o-SPAM>
and all this time i thought we could trust computers more ...
13:43* ogra hopes he has the time for karmic ... at least the spec is high prio now
13:43
<Gadi>
but for now, he can create an input device for it with, say, the elotouch driver
13:43
or some such
13:43
thats prolly the only way
13:43
<ogra>
no, you create an xorg.conf
13:43
<Gadi>
hal's not gonna help him here
13:44
and put what inside of it?
13:44
<ogra>
and point to thet input device with the elotouch driver
13:44
<Gadi>
thats what I said
13:44
<ogra>
right
13:44
i just said it better :P
13:44
<Gadi>
well, sure
13:44* ogra hides
13:44
<Gadi>
english is your second language
13:44
:)
13:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
heh
13:44
<Lns>
Gadi, I hear about things using urandom instead of random, and that it's a big security risk for some things that truly need randomness (i'd guess things like encryption, etc.).. would you say this is an OK solution?
13:45
<Gadi>
Lns: security is a spectrum
13:45
<ogra>
man elotouch should show you possible xorg.conf values for calibration
13:45
<Gadi>
:)
13:45
if you care about security, get a hardware rng
13:45
:)
13:45
<Lns>
heh...good point
13:45
hmm, wait though
13:45
i also remember the server itself lagging completely when this occurs
13:46
at the server console that is...can't move mouse, can't type, like it's locked up
13:46
would that be related?
13:46
<Gadi>
well, then, are you sure it is entropy that has you down?
13:46
<Lns>
well, maybe you could move mouse
13:46
maybe :)
13:47
i recall something regarding trying kernel options and the filesystem
13:47
argh
13:48
elevator=...
13:48
i/o scheduling
13:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra/gadi: I have calibration figures from etyack that worked previously in ltsp 4.2
13:49
<rjune_wrk>
Gadi: security is a journey
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<_UsUrPeR_>
i.e. minx miny maxx maxy
13:50
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: let me see if I can whip up something quick for you
13:50
<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, right, man elotouch should show the corresponding xorg.conf options
13:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
do you guys want me to paste those?
13:50
<Gadi>
sure
13:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
13:50
<Lns>
Gadi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/281498 is the bug i was working on with this issue
13:50
<akSeya>
client boots, and gives a bunch of errors, the first is Skipping /dev/mtab initialization (ro root?) ... *You must be root to do this .. then *Mounting local filesystems ... can't create lock file /etc/mtab~4352: Read-only file system (use -n flag to override) * some filesystem failed to mount
13:51
looks like all errors are about read-only filesystem
13:51
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "calibration figures" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/396
13:51
<akSeya>
i'm using gentoo.. and followed this guide: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/LTSP
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<akSeya>
ps.: not using unionfs
13:52
any idea on what am i missing? :(
13:53
<ogra>
akSeya, johnny is the gentoo guy here
13:53
<akSeya>
johnny, hellooooo johnny :D
13:53
<johnny>
somebody wrote docs ?
13:53
hehe
13:54
akSeya, i don't have a gentoo box available anymore atm
13:54
thus i haven't had much to be able to work on it
13:54
perhaps when i get another computer i can get back to it :)
13:54* johnny reads the docs to make sure they are correct (or not)
13:55* Lns waves as he's off to the office
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<johnny>
hmm.. that stuff doesn't seem right at all
13:56
i never used unionfs
13:56
it wasn't necessary
13:56
yes.. stuff should be read only tho akSeya
13:57
altho with less annoying erroring
13:57
the author of that document should get in touch with me asap.. as they obviously didn't know what he was talking about
13:57
<akSeya>
:-O
13:57
<johnny>
that is waaay more instructions than is required
13:58
if the ltsp-build-client thing doesn't work.. that is what should be fixed
13:58
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: can you paste your lts.conf params from the working setup?
13:58
<johnny>
most of the rest is taken care of by the buildscript iself
13:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: define "working" :)
13:58
<johnny>
akSeya, so.. you've gone through waaay too many steps :)
13:58
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: in the etyack sense
13:58
:)
13:58
<johnny>
perhaps somebody can give me some remote machine to use
13:58
so i can fix that.. and redo the document
13:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
the lts.conf I just had taken the Xorg.7.conf I booted to? I can do that :D
14:00
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "lts.conf er Gadi" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/397
14:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
s/er/per
14:01
<sbalneav>
stgraber: LOL
14:01
<johnny>
ok i asked for the author of that page to find me here to see if we can shorten it up
14:01
<akSeya>
;)
14:01
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: is serial an ok approach?
14:01
<johnny>
if somebody can get me a decent remote gentoo box where they are willing to do the client testing.. i'll get back to work on this thing
14:01
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: I know less how to help with usb
14:02
if things dont work
14:02
<akSeya>
johnny, well..
14:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: USB would be PREFERRED, but serial is a fine stop-gap measure
14:02
the monitor has both
14:03
but won't that require driver installation/reference?
14:03
<akSeya>
johnny, the problem is that this server is up and running other services too
14:03
<johnny>
sure.. it would have to be a new box
14:03
or a vm
14:03
<stgraber>
sbalneav: hey
14:04
sbalneav: looks like you got someone from my company calling you ? ;)
14:04
sbalneav: just had jean-guy asking me if I knew someone from Legal aid manitoba ;)
14:04
<sbalneav>
hehe
14:04
So, lets set up a social call :)
14:04
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "put in: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/XS95-touchscreen" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/398
14:04
<sbalneav>
Plan the next BTS :)
14:05
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: do that
14:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: rgr
14:05
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: and install xserver-xorg-input-elographics in the chroot
14:06
<akSeya>
johnny, but there is something seriously wrong here.. tmp !rw, home !rw
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: sounds good :)
14:06
and yeah for an hackfest, always ready for some hacking.
14:06
<ogra>
BTS !!!!
14:06
<stgraber>
ogra: you coming this time aren't you ? :)
14:07
<sbalneav>
I get a feeling the conversation may head down a path that the salesman might not anticipate :)
14:07
<ogra>
stgraber, i hope so ... unless anything else business related comes in my way i will
14:07
<johnny>
akSeya, /home shouldn't be rw
14:07
<sbalneav>
I was having to bite my tongue from laughing.
14:07
<akSeya>
johnny, not even for root?
14:07
<johnny>
tmp is tmpfs .. in my setup anyways
14:07
no
14:07
<Gadi>
brb
14:07
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: you got Jean-guy on a sales call?
14:07
<johnny>
their setup overcomplicated everything
14:07
<ogra>
stgraber, there is the maemo summit end of october i will likely have to be
14:07
<sbalneav>
"So, have you heard of Reveloution Linux"?
14:07
<johnny>
the default setup actually doesn't use unionfs
14:07* CAN-o-SPAM dies laughing
14:08
<sbalneav>
(me) mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe :)
14:08
<johnny>
it uses tmpfs bind mounts
14:08
<CAN-o-SPAM>
thats like when johnston tried to accuse me of asking if he knew what LTSP was? lol
14:08
<johnny>
akSeya, if you just run ltsp-build-client, it should work , once you have the rest of the things setup
14:09
the only modification you have to do is enter the chroot and add your nic modules to the genkernel initramfs
14:09
<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: Later on in the year, I might want to buy one of the atom workstations you've got.
14:09
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: wear a pretty dress and your best makeup, then talk to rcc :)
14:09
<johnny>
and that is only ecause there is no easy way to pre add it to genkernel's setup.. been waiting for them to fix it
14:09
<akSeya>
I had a problem with ltsp-build-client.. can't remember what it was...
14:10
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: did we get any video footage from BZ? I did see a couple "tweets" about it!
14:10
<johnny>
well.. that is somethign i might be able to fix
14:10
altho i can't generate the digests
14:10
<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: Yeah, I got the whole talk on video.
14:11
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: posted somewhere?
14:11
<sbalneav>
Not as of yet. Do you want me to youtube it?
14:11
<CAN-o-SPAM>
oh absolutley ... i want to show the world the breakfast chef talking LTSP
14:11
<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: Speaking of the godfather of soul, how was the wedding?
14:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
zomg this is weird. in chroot, can't get online :(
14:12
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: very nice, thanks for asking, i will forward your regards
14:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
chroot = on server, chrooted
14:12
<akSeya>
johnny, is there anything I can do for you?
14:12
<johnny>
sure.. try to run ltsp-build-client.. and tell me where it fails
14:13
<akSeya>
ok
14:13
<stgraber>
sbalneav: ready for some breakfast cooking again ?
14:13
<sbalneav>
We were down in BZ, figured we'd phone the cell during the vows, see if he'd answer. I had dibs on "yes" :)
14:13
<johnny>
if gentoo were to ever make baselayout2 the default.. that would help many problems too :(
14:13
<sbalneav>
stgraber: Yessir!
14:13
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hahaha, oh that was a good bet
14:14
<stgraber>
sbalneav: nice, let's just hope we'll get a better weather than the last time and it'll be perfect
14:14
<sbalneav>
"I d.... Hold on, I have to take this..."
14:14
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hahaha
14:14
<akSeya>
johnny, it's unpacking stage3
14:14
<sbalneav>
stgraber: Bad weather encourages more hacking. Or more drinking. Not sure which
14:14
It's academic, really :)
14:15
<akSeya>
builng kernel
14:15
<stgraber>
sbalneav: bah, I can hack even with good weather :) would be great to see at more than 2m when visiting the national parc
14:16
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ya ... that was a bummer instead of Nova Scotia ... it was No Scotia
14:16
<ogra>
better than "No Scotch"
14:16
<sbalneav>
stgraber: ah, but there's something nice about sitting by the sea with mist in your face.
14:18* ogra loved the weather at BTS
14:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, all. Question about dns references: I am able to, outside of chroot, ping normally, but inside chroot, DNS is not working properly.
14:21
I have never seen this before
14:21
<johnny>
do you have an /etc/resolv.conf ?
14:22
if so.. does it contain useful information?
14:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
in /opt/ltsp/i386 or /etc/resolv.conf?
14:22
<johnny>
chroot
14:22
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: jaunty?
14:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: yeah, jaunty
14:23
johnny: it has what should be working, which is comcast primary and secondary...
14:23
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
14:23
there was a bug that made it chmod 000
14:23
that has been fixed
14:23
<johnny>
ah
14:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm. doesn't look like it: -rw-r--r-- resolv.conf
14:26
<akSeya>
johnny, it is still building the kernel.. i'm going to do some smoke outside.. be back soon ;)
14:26
btw... is there a generic simple guide ?
14:26
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: then, you do not have routing set up properly
14:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
14:33
gadi: ok, finished up, put XS95-touchscreen in the right place, installed xserver-xorg-input-elographics... mouse no workie
14:34
also: plugged in with serial instead of usb
14:34
<Gadi>
ok, getting closer
14:34
:)
14:34
cn you paste the log file
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
sure
14:34
<Gadi>
in that setup?
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
were there any changes that needed to be made to lts.conf?
14:35
<Gadi>
did you add the USE_TOUCH and friends?
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<akSeya>
johnny, http://pastebin.com/d2a9e58c5
14:36
johnny, now it just failed the extra packages
14:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: yes, but no configure_x
14:37
<johnny>
akSeya, do --quickstart-verbose and --quickstart-debug to that command
14:37
so you'll see where it is actually failing
14:38
<akSeya>
johnny, do I have to remove x86 directory?
14:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: once I turn on configure_x, the screen freaks out and gives me half-blue on the bottom
14:38
totally freezes too
14:38
no switching terminals
14:39
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: remove CONFIGURE_X_COMMAND
14:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
rgr
14:39
<Gadi>
we're not gonna use that way
14:40
PS: I have to leave in 3 minutes
14:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
14:42
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPER_" pasted "for Gadi: Xorg.7.log" (1012 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/399
14:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: there'
14:42
s the log
14:42
it booted fine
14:42
no mouse
14:44
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: did you install the elographics or the evtouch driver in the chroot and update the image?
14:44
<stgraber>
sbalneav: do you have a more recent lts.conf somewhere or should I go ahead and work on the one in the branch (I see a few missing parameters, mainly because of me forgetting to add them :))
14:44
<johnny>
akSeya, yes
14:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: aptitude installed xserver-xorg-input-elographic
14:44
alsu updated image ;)
14:44
s/alsu/also
14:44
<Gadi>
and did you set X_TOUCH_DRIVER
14:44
and X_TOUCH_DEVICE
14:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: in lts.conf? negative
14:45
what's the device supposed to be? I got the driver already...
14:46
<Gadi>
for srial: /dev/ttyS0
14:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: x_touch_maxx et al need to be specified as well
14:47
also, what's USB (just for SNG)
14:47
<Gadi>
USB would be something like: /dev/input/event4
14:47
or some such
14:47
based on your earlier post
14:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
14:48
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: good luck
14:48
be back in a while
14:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: thx :)
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<hgrover>
stgraber: Gadi told me to ask you for help
14:49
<stgraber>
ah, what's the problem ?
14:50
<hgrover>
that's what we're trying to figure out. we know it's not entropy, he was having me screw around with nbd settings
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<hgrover>
i told you about the just of the problem earlier, that is that on thin client boot, we get just a blinking cursor
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<akSeya>
johnny, http://pastebin.com/m57ea7a53
14:58
<Lns>
http://www.green-technology.org/green_technology_magazine/greenbay.htm
14:58
mention in there of thin clients =)
14:59
<akSeya>
johnny, I added svg to quickstart/profile.qs at line 101 now .. lets see
15:02
<sbalneav>
stgraber: Go ahead, work away.
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<johnny>
svg ? hmm
15:09
oh.. sure.. go ahead.. i'll commit it if it works
15:09
i gotta go eat foods bbiab
15:12
<CAN-o-SPAM>
the only thing i eat is windows desktops ... bahaha
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<akSeya>
johnny, are you still there ?
15:15
johnny, ltsp-build-client is using gentoo-sources as kernel.. but on the server i'm using kernel 2.6.30 .. how can I configure it to use 2.6.30 kernel instead?
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<johnny>
ahh.. new dracut is out
16:18
i think it might be time for giving that a shot
16:18
it supports nbd now
16:18
so that means fedora can use nbd too
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<Lns>
johnny: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-12/msg06554.html - heh, "Currently, there are a few Fedora-isms which have crept in just as a result of it being the shortest path to solving some problems, but I'm actively trying to get those out sooner rather than later as well as getting to where I'm using it to boot my laptop."
16:29
fedora-isms =p
16:29
<johnny>
no big deal i imagine
16:29
plus.. that post is from 2008
16:30
Lns, remember ltsp was full of debian/ubuntuisms before :)
16:30
<Lns>
yea
16:30
of course, i'm not singling fedora out by any means =)
16:30
just thought it was a funny word
16:31
<johnny>
i'll switch to that as soon as possible i imagine.. since genkernel seems like a dead end (imo)
16:31
at least the initramfs part..
16:33
Lns, also.. a gentoo kernel developer has already added patches to dracut
16:33
so that bodes well
16:33
<Lns>
nice
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<TuteC>
Hello all! Really newbie here, trying to connect a client through a linksys router, with a wireless laptop server. I couldn't find related data on internet, where can I get some info? May I start asking from the basis here?
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Mi BIOS has LAN boot option, does it need a PXE enabled network card, or that is enough?
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The server is an Ubuntu 9.04 Macbook, don't know ltsp version
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REading the docs I see wireless is a bad idea (but it can run up to 54Mbps, am I missing something?). I'll plug it to the router.
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