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Channel log from 23 October 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
ogra: push your gutsy-ltsp branch ...
02:28
ogra: i only see changelog entries up to 5.0.37 ... and 5.0.39 has been released
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<EXP2>
How difficult it is to update 6.06+ltsp4.2 to 7.10 and ltsp5?
02:49
<vagrantc>
EXP2: you have to re-install the LTSP part- there is no direct upgrade path from ltsp 4.x to ltsp5
02:50
not sure what the upgrade path is like for 6.06 to 7.10 ...
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<Patina>
I am trying to get files with tftp, but the connection times out after receiving about 500 bytes of the file. Any idea why?
03:49
<str4nd>
No idea. :/
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<arnadelo>
has anyone installed edubuntu 7.10 with ltsp server?
04:55
<Patina>
So, it seems I have a firewall problem.
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<Furlow>
hello
05:28
I wanted to know if anybody is willing to help me with an LTSP problem I have
05:28
does the server need a PXE card as well as the clients
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<osl>
hi all , i am using edubuntu 7.10 and i am trying to boot up a thin client , i succeeded , but when it's about to start X a blank screen appears??
05:49
<cliebow>
osl: what video card in the client..it is possible you may have to creat \n lts.conf ans place it in /var/lib/tftpboot
05:49
<schregge>
hello, i want to connect my scanner to a thinclient. But i can t figuere it out hot to do that under ltsp5
05:49
<cliebow>
[default]
05:49
XSERVER=vesa
05:49
<osl>
cliebow, i moved lts.conf to ../tftboot
05:50
cliebow, i am not sure about the video card in the client
05:50
<cliebow>
hmmm.../var/lib/tftpboot?
05:50
try the vesa driver
05:50
"Scottie would approve"
05:50
<osl>
cliebow, yup , /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
05:52
<cliebow>
i hgave toi wind up and get wifey out the door for work...
05:52
<osl>
cliebow, thanx , it worked :)
05:53
<cliebow>
that is a start anyway
05:53
in the long run you prob want to determine what vid card you really need
05:53
err driver
05:53
<osl>
cliebow, yeah , sure
05:54
<cliebow>
be back from school..
05:56
<osl>
cliebow, it says here that the workstation is not autherized to connect to server !!
05:56
cliebow, that's when i try to log in
05:58
<cliebow>
hm...lets see if ogra can advise you...since he wrote it
05:58
you can try ltsp-update-sshkeys on server..but that is a guess
06:03
<osl>
cliebow, i have a question about the image thing , it's a large file , how could this lessen traffic on network !?
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<schregge>
hmmm, anyone has a hint to start saned on the terminal?
06:09
<cliebow>
osl: i cant really answer that
06:10
schregge, wait til sbalneav comes in..he can help...i can guess but dont want to lead you astray
06:10
<osl>
cliebow, no prob. thank u :) the ltsp-update-sshkeys worked btw , but i needed to update the image too
06:10
<cliebow>
ltsp-update-image
06:10
<osl>
cliebow, yeah
06:10
<cliebow>
run that..and go have a ciggie
06:11
<schregge>
ok
06:11
<osl>
cliebow, i did and it worked :)
06:12
cliebow, in fact i am aiming to build a cluster over LTSP-5
06:12
<cliebow>
schregge, if you're handy you could add a line in something like rc.sysinit and ltsp-update-image
06:12
osl: you need to talk to ogra..
06:12
it has been bantered about for a long time
06:13
<osl>
ogra__, are u there ?
06:14
<cliebow>
bbiab
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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07:23
<schregge>
well, now i can access my scanner, but it stops in the middle of the page... then looked intomy syslog for some information..... but they are comming up very slow.... even when i swich off a client i get syslog infos....
07:24
<bails>
excuse me but is there any documentation for ltsp5 and local apps, I've googled and looked on the ubuntu wiki but all to no avail
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<schregge>
has anyone an idea for my syslog problem?
07:31
<bails>
have you tried tail -f |grep YOUR_HOST ?
07:31
<sbalneav>
bails: No, local apps hasn't been sorted out fully yet.
07:31
It's what we'll be working on solving next week.
07:32
<bails>
ok in that case sbalneav should i just give up on ltsp5 till next week
07:32
ort the week after
07:32
<sbalneav>
Well, it won't be implemented next week :)
07:32
<bails>
didna think so
07:32
<sbalneav>
But we'll have a plan on how to solve it in a week or two.
07:33
You could set it up today, but it's rather difficult, and a completely manual process.
07:33
<bails>
OK I'll go back to ltsp-4.2 foe now then cheers
07:33
<sbalneav>
It's no different from setting up localapps for 4.2
07:33
Which is also a completely manual process :)
07:34
<bails>
well yes but at least ltsp-4.2 actually runs a sshd on the clients with LOCAL_APPS=Y
07:34
<sbalneav>
You can do the same in 5
07:34
<bails>
whereas ltsp5 doesnt appear to
07:34
<sbalneav>
just install the sshd in the chroot
07:37
<schregge>
i am using tail -f syslog | grep 192.168.2. but the messages are comming up toooooooooo late (7 minutes...)
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<sbalneav>
schregge: So, you've installed saned in the chroot?
07:38
<schregge>
yes
07:38
i can now access my scanner
07:38
but it get stucks after a few inchs
07:39
<sbalneav>
Have you tried setting up SCREEN_02=shell, and poking around on the thin client itself? Maybe there's some dmesg's that might shed light on the problem.
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<jammcq>
g'morning
08:02
<Blinny>
g'mornin!
08:02
<ogra_cmpc>
hey jammcq
08:02
<Blinny>
Hey jammcq - is it possible to recompile a newer i810 driver to work with the XOrg in my FC6 box?
08:02
<jammcq>
prolly not
08:03
fc6 uses an older version of Xorg
08:03
<Blinny>
Crap.
08:03
and I couldn't compile against those libraries/headers ?
08:03
<ogra_cmpc>
it will likely use functions that arent in teh old libs
08:03
<Blinny>
or is it a crap shoot
08:03
<jammcq>
Xorg goes through massive changes from version to version
08:03
<Blinny>
Damn.
08:03
<jammcq>
hang on, mtg
08:03
<Blinny>
I'm still trying to fix those GX110 boxes.
08:03
K. Thanks.
08:03
Thanks ogra_cmpc also
08:04
<ogra_cmpc>
(i cant compile teh ubuntu 7.04 drivers on 7.10 due to new xrandr functions in teh 7.10 xorg)
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!
08:05
<ogra_cmpc>
Blinny: just use a newer ltsp ;)
08:05
or get fedore to send us some code :)
08:05
<Blinny>
ogra_cmpc: heh
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<Blinny>
ogra_cmpc: I've been enjoying playing with Gutsy. There are a few little things but all-in-all I'm enjoying it.
08:06
<sbalneav>
ogra_cmpc: I think Warrens actually working hard on the fedora side now.
08:06
<ogra_cmpc>
well
08:06
rewriting lbus ???
08:06
i didnt see more from him yet
08:06
<Blinny>
sbalneav: Yeah.
08:06
<ogra_cmpc>
aprtr from poking in obsolete code
08:06
<sbalneav>
I sure hoe not. :)
08:06
We'll find out next week :)
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<Blinny>
I've been keeping track here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=K12LTSP
08:06
<ogra_cmpc>
will he come ?
08:07
<sbalneav>
I beleive so.
08:07
<ogra_cmpc>
warren: do you plan to come to the ubuntu UDS ?
08:07
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, UDS?
08:08
<ogra_cmpc>
ubuntu developer summit
08:08
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, I probably can't spend the entire week there
08:08
<ogra_cmpc>
and there is a fosscamp before
08:08
starting on saturday
08:08
warren: but you will be there ? (would be great to have you in teh ltsp sessions :) )
08:09
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, I should know when are the most relevant sessions, and I will probably need "formal" invitation in order to take time off from the office.
08:09
<ogra_cmpc>
i'll check what we can do there
08:10
<sbalneav>
Hey warren, didn't know you were idling
08:10
<ogra_cmpc>
the schedule is pretty flexible so we can take days you csan come into account with the planning
08:10
<warren>
sbalneav, yes, I burn diesel constantly. Gotta keep the planet warm.
08:12
<sbalneav>
Skip the diesel, convert to burning ethanol.
08:12
That way, you can run off beer :)
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<ogra_cmpc>
sbalneav: what was teh master bug for the amd xorg issue ? seems thats a dup https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/156042
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<sbalneav>
ogra_cmpc: bug #140051's the big amd autoconfigure one.
08:43
<ogra_cmpc>
ok, duplicating
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<cdealer>
hey all
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<upro>
Hi there! SInce yesterdaymy ltsp isup and running. But there is one problem: On the think client only I (as the server's principal user) can login correctly. All others see long tome the waiting icon, then the go back to the login screen. Why that?
08:47
Hi cdealer !
08:48
<cdealer>
[sbalneav]:: dude... after doing a passwd -e user the user password in fact has been expired... When the user tries to login from the thinclient it gets a message saying the password was expired but after entering the new password all light is asked it stays in the login prompt and dont go out from there
08:50
<rjune>
Gadi!
08:51
How have you been?
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<sbalneav>
cdealer: ok, I'll have to take a look at that. Could be a bug.
08:54
<cdealer>
[sbalneav]:: ok.
08:54
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Hey, Scotty!
08:55
<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Hiya!
08:55* cdealer
08:56
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Can I install LTSP5 in a server that has LTSP4.2 installed? They will work together in a window of time of tests???
08:56
<Gadi>
rjuney: running around as usual
08:57
<upro>
Sorry for asking this again (might be an obvious probem, but I couldn't solve this with the FAQ). Only one user can login into the thin client. Maybe an Xauth problem, but how can I solve it?
08:58
<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Should. You'll need some dhcpd magic, but other than that.
08:58
upro: Check the .xsession-errors file of a user that can't log in.
08:59
<upro>
sbalneav: there's no .xsession-errors in the iser's $home...
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<sbalneav>
can you ssh into the box as that user?
09:00
ssh user@box
09:01
<upro>
sbalneav: into the thin client or from the client to the server?
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<ogra_cmpc>
upro: from anywhere to the server
09:03
<upro>
I have only one client and my server. I can use the client when I log in as myself. Then I have access to everything.
09:03
But I can't as someone elkse (who has an account on the server)
09:04
I see things like: xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/stella/.Xauthority
09:04
XTaran: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
09:04
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
09:04
Xlib: No protocol specified
09:04
giving up.
09:04
xinit: unable to connect to X server
09:04
<ogra_cmpc>
where do you see that ?
09:05
<upro>
in the shell I used to ssh
09:05
... on the server
09:05
<ogra_cmpc>
so thats a logfile on the server
09:05* cdealer
09:06
<ogra_cmpc>
that looks like a local login attempt, not like an ltsp one
09:06
(ltsp usually doesnt use :0.0)
09:06
<upro>
ogra_cmpc: I don'thave any users in /opt/ltsp/i386/home. I that normal?
09:07
<ogra_cmpc>
yes
09:07
you dont log in on the client usually
09:07
only for debugging purposes of the boot
09:08
<upro>
I did not change /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. DO I have to do this?
09:08
<ogra_cmpc>
no
09:08
if the boot e4nds properly on a graphical login screen all is fine with lts.conf and ltsp
09:09
<upro>
ogra_cmpc: ok, this part is working. Other users just can't login...
09:09
<ogra_cmpc>
what happens exactly if such a user tries to ?
09:10
does it hang infinitely ?
09:10
or do you get dropped back to teh login screen again
09:10
<upro>
it hangs (blackscreen with "wait!" icon), threnitgoes back to the login screen
09:11
<ogra_cmpc>
and the user doesnt have a /home/$USER/.xsession-errors file at all ?
09:12
<sbalneav>
Can you log in as that user on the console?
09:12
<ogra_cmpc>
s/console/server console/ :)
09:13
<sbalneav>
ogra_cmpc: What the heck am I doing wrong:
09:14
ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom0
09:14
it complains it can't mount /proc in the chroot
09:14
<ogra_cmpc>
sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
09:14
sudo ?
09:14
<sbalneav>
I am root.
09:14
I'm always bad and do a sudo -i :)
09:14
<ogra_cmpc>
weird
09:15
i'm root for teh first time since years here on teh classmate :)
09:15
<sbalneav>
just cdrom? not /media/cdrom?
09:15
<ogra_cmpc>
/cdrom should be a link
09:15
<sbalneav>
ok
09:15* cdealer
09:15
<sbalneav>
I'll try that.
09:16
<ogra_cmpc>
but thats nothing to do with the proc error
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<upro>
ogra_cmpc: sorry (my wife meeded me - we have two little baies). No, the user does not have a /home/$USER/.xsession-errors on the server
09:19
indeed, I can't login as that user on the server's console...! But it works without problems in X
09:20
I get the same xauth timeout errors
09:20
<sbalneav>
You can't log in as that user on the server's console?
09:21
<upro>
sbalneav: correct. But in X it works
09:21
<sbalneav>
What do you mean: in X it works? Can you log in graphically as that user or not?
09:21
<rjune>
Gadi: somebody was in last night, not sure who, wanted somebody to talk at their lug
09:22
up in NYC. same ISP as you
09:22
<upro>
grphical login works witout problems (when no other iser is oogged in)
09:22
sbalneav: But I can't log in on the tty console
09:23
<sbalneav>
Something's wrong with that user then.
09:23
<upro>
sbalneav: not sure if "tty concole" is the technically correct term. I mean console without X
09:23
<Gadi>
rjune: u snooping my ISP ;)
09:24
<rjune>
well, I am half a stalker
09:25
anyway, I told him that you lived in NYC.
09:25* cdealer
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<sbalneav>
That's going to get darned annoying if every 10 minutes his IRC client tells us he's out for lunch :)
09:26
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
09:26
i was about to sy the same
09:27
<rjune>
but, how else will we know?
09:27
<ogra_cmpc>
cdealer: can you switch that notification off ?
09:27
<sbalneav>
ogra: you got time to help me with a quick packaging question?
09:27
<ogra_cmpc>
sure
09:27
<upro>
sbalneav: I created a new user, and everything works fine. What cold be wrong with that particular user?
09:28
<sbalneav>
Here at legalaid, I have some custom scripts, setup files, etc, that I've made into packages.
09:28
upro: No idea
09:28
ogra_cmpc: Now, what I did, (when I didn't know better) was to make a directory hierarchy, with etc, usr, etc, and a DEBIAN dir, with control, postinst, etc in it.
09:29
<upro>
sbalneav: I'll just kill the user completely and burn his $HOME.
09:29
<sbalneav>
then I run dpkg -b on that, and get the deb
09:29
<upro>
sbalneav: Anyway, there are no files in there.
09:29
<sbalneav>
I suspect that that's not the RIGHT way to do it.
09:29
<upro>
sbalneav: then I'll play god and wak him up from the dead.
09:29
<ogra_cmpc>
well, use a debian/rules file and cp commands to copy the dirs into teh package
09:30
or even a .install file and call dh_install from teh rules file
09:30
<sbalneav>
that's what I'm thinking.
09:30
<ogra_cmpc>
the .install can also include whole toplevel dirs
09:30
<sbalneav>
Got an example package that consists mostly of just script/etc files I could look at as an example?
09:30
<ogra_cmpc>
usr/ debian/usr would work for example
09:31
not from teh top of my head
09:31
might be teh ltsp-manager package is built like that
09:31
i usually build my first scrap package with cp commands and translate that into debhelper later
09:32
<upro>
sbalneav: I found iit! It was a permission error. Plain stupid!!!Thanks for your help!
09:35* cdealer
09:38
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, my schedule that week is flexible, let me know when relevant LTSP sessions are and I'll be there.
09:43
<ogra_cmpc>
the fosscamp (sat,sun) is supposed to be for upstream relationship, so we'll have more general sessions on teh first weekend
09:44
the BOFs during the week will rather be specdific for feature development of single features we want this release cycle
09:45
i want to put up my ltswpfs-virtual-hal-devices spec again, since you asked about lktspfs and that will have some impact on its future i guess it would likely make sense to have you there
09:45
*ltspfs
09:45* cdealer
09:45* ogra_cmpc simply isnt getting used to this children keyboard
09:46
<cliebow__>
is that warrent?
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09:55* cdealer
09:56
<ogra>
Blinny: hey, at least we know its another 10mins gone :)
09:56
<Blinny>
Very Zen.
09:57
<sbalneav>
What is the sound of one ten minute interval elapsing?
09:57
:)
09:57
<Blinny>
sbalneav: Wait 10 minutes and cd-ealer will tell you.
09:57
<cdealer>
[sbalneav]:: haha sorry I didint mean to
09:57
hahaha
09:57
sorry
09:58
<ogra>
warren: can you give me your mail address again ? our secretary will send you a management proof invite then :)
10:00
<jammcq>
warren: you gonna be at BTS, right? i've got room in the car for 1 more person
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<cdealer>
[sbalneav]:: so... any ideia why I cant make the password expiration to work properly on my clients?
10:02
<rjune>
LOL, it eats other scripts on breakfast
10:03
<sbalneav>
cdealer: No, I haven't looked at it yet,
10:03
I probably won't for a few days
10:03
<ogra>
rjune only mondays and wednesdays ... the other days it prefers little kittens
10:03
<cdealer>
[sbalneav]:: ok... but you think it is a bug? Have you done the password expire and password change to work on your box?
10:03
<sbalneav>
cdealer: and fix your irc client so it doesn't spam the channel with away messages every 10 minutes.
10:04
<cdealer>
[sbalneav]:: yeah, I did it now =D
10:04
<sbalneav>
cdealer: I have no idea, it's working here for my setup, but maybe there's something I missed.
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<rjune>
ogra: it was the ON instead of FOR
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<cdealer>
# Note that things like sound and local device support are
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# auto-enabled if the corresponding packages are installed,
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What is the corresponding packages? Because here i cant see the local devices...
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<ogra>
local devices-> ltspfsd and ldm
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sound -> pulseaudio and ldm
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<ogra>
both are installed by default in ltsp5 clients
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<cdealer>
[ogra]:: yeah... was whtat im going to say... but I noticed that there are no more pulse audio groups right?
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<ogra>
sure there are
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<cdealer>
O.o
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<ogra>
pulse:x:107:
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pulse-access:x:108:
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pulse-rt:x:109:
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is what i have in /etc/group on my thin client
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<cdealer>
[ogra]:: there are no pulse* here =/
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<ogra>
but thats pretty irrelevant since pulse is started with --system from teh ltsp client initscript
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so it runs as root
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<cdealer>
definetily there is something very wrong with my install...
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im going to install all over again, I have to make sure that the install is all ok
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[ogra]:: my group 109 is messagebus. Well, lets do again.
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<ogra>
the number can vary from system to system
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<cdealer>
[ogra]:: at mine everything is varying to much lol
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<ogra>
i mean it really depends whats the next free number :) the post installation script of pulse creates the user, so it depends on the "when"
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<cdealer>
[ogra__]:: I just reinstalled and still didnt had the pulse* groups... so I made a apt-get install pulseaudio and them the groups was created...
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<ogra>
cdealer: what distro/release was that ?
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<cdealer>
[ogra__]:: 7.10 gutsy
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<sonjag>
Good afternoon! I'm trying to install the fix for the Thin Client Manager <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients> and I'm stuck on the x11vnc after chroot'ing. I believe I need to open the repos for the chroot (I'm not sure I'm saying this right... hope someone understands!) Can someone tell me how to do that?
12:37
To clarify... I'm trying to install x11vnc and I believe since I've chroot'ed, I'm "in" the client. I did edit /etc/apt/sources.list, but it's still giving me an error about the CD's.
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<vagrantc>
ogra__: thanks for the push...
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<vagrantc>
sonjag: egrep '^deb file' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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<sonjag>
vagrantc: is that a total command line? With the egrep? What does it do?
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<vagrantc>
sonjag: well, i'm trying to figure out if you have entries in your sources.list left over from the install that won't work unless you do something manually.
12:41
sonjag: if your installed used file URLs, then chance are those repositories aren't available.
12:42
sonjag: but what i really should have asked you first was "what's the exact error message it's giving you?"
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<sonjag>
vagrantc: E: Couldn't find package x11vnc
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<sonjag>
vagrantc: when I apt-get update, it gives me errors like file:///cdrom blah blah blah. This doesn't happen if I'm not chroot'ed
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<vagrantc>
sonjag: so, what's the output of the command i asked you to run?
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<sonjag>
vagrantc: grep: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.ist: No such file or directory
12:47
oops.... that's sources.list with an "l" not "ist"
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<sonjag>
vagrantc: it says you're waiting patiently... is that for me? if so, what do are you waiting for ?
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<vagrantc>
i'm waiting for you to give the output of the command i asked you to run.
12:49
sonjag: if you cut and paste the command, then you won't make typos
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<sonjag>
vagrantc: I just installed this server and haven't gotten chat sw in it. sorry I'm such noob. I'll install it now but it'll take a minute. I'm on another machine which is why I didn't paste the results.
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<vagrantc>
sonjag: ok, when you can get on the machine you're actually trying to fix, we can actually try and troubleshoot.
12:52
sonjag: i'm guessing you're using ubuntu ?
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: root@crick:/# egrep '^deb file' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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grep: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: ls /opt/ltsp
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: root@crick:/# ls /opt/ltsp
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ls: /opt/ltsp: No such file or directory
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: could you log into the machine where you have ltsp installed ?
12:55
sgonzalez: or did you install ltsp in some non-standard location?
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: I'm at the server that I just installed this on. It's edubuntu 7.04. It's a standard installation. I just installed it from the GUI.
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: are you inside the chroot ?
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: yes
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<Blinny>
I think he's already in the chroos
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:s;oos;oot
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: ok, so run the same command, but get rid of the /opt/ltsp/i386 part ...
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sgonzalez: or exit out of the chroot, and run the command ...
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: the egrep command?
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: yes.
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<sgonzalez>
vagratnc: root@crick:/opt# egrep '^deb file' /etc/apt/sources.list
12:58
deb file:///cdrom feisty main restricted
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<vagrantc>
ok.
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sgonzalez: so, you need to change file:///cdrom to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
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or some other ubuntu mirror
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sgonzalez: then run apt-get update
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<sgonzalez>
vangrantc: how do I do that? I have changed /etc/apt/sources.list to include all the repos and ran apt-get update, but that's not as chroot. It seems that when I chroot, this issue comes up. Does that make sense? I'm not sure of myself here.
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<vagrantc>
i can't make sense of it, no.
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sgonzalez: why don't you exit out of the chroot ...
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sgonzalez: then i can be clear about what files we're editing.
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<ogra__>
vagrantc, yeah, sorry for being such a slacker
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<vagrantc>
ogra__: so, i know you said there was code in there not ready for merge, but i think i merged some even more broken code earlier in the process, so i may just merge what you have.
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<ogra__>
thanks for the ping, i didnt even notice it was outdated
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: because I'm trying to follow these directions <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients> and it wants you to chroot first. If I exit, will it matter? (Let me know if this is more support than you wanted to really give... )
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<vagrantc>
ogra__: maybe you should write a cron.daily script that checks the version uploaded against the version pushed
13:03* vagrantc hands sgonzalez over to ogra__
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<vagrantc>
ogra__ actually works on edubuntu
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<ogra__>
but has to leave now
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: thanks for the help...
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<ogra__>
sgonzalez, make sure the sources.list in the chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386) contains an entry for universe
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easiest is to just copy over the file from the server root
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<sgonzalez>
ogra: there is nothing in the /opt folder...
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<ogra__>
sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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??
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how do you mean there is noting in the /opt folder ?
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: if you're chrooted, then there will be nothing in the /opt folder
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<ogra__>
heh, indeed
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: so exit out of the chroot ... and do as ogra__ says
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when you do: "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" essentially everything in "/opt/ltsp/i386" gets ... moved ... to "/"
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sgonzalez: chroot basically restricts what you see to only a the part of your filesystem that you're chrooted into....
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc and ogra: ahhh, now my chroot'ed apt-get update works and my apt-get install x11vnc. I think you both. Do you know of a good page for an explanation of chroot? I should study up on that, it seems.
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vagrantc and ogra: I actually thank you both, not think you both :)
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: i don't know of a good way to explain chroot... the man page isn't particularly meaningful if you don't already understand it
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: I'll look in the ubuntu docs. Thanks.
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: basically, chroot restricts the command to only a part of your filesystem ... so when you type "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" then everything in the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory now looks like it's in "/"
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that's about all there is to it.
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: why does it exist?
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vagrantc: ugh... is that a "why is the sky blue" question?
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: not quite, but close :)
13:11
it exists because it's useful ?
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it allows you to run a command in a custom environment, basically.
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or restricted environment
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or isolated or separated
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there's lots of uses for it
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<ogra__>
repair broken systems :)
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<sgonzalez>
vagrantc: Grasshopper will do her homework... ooh, repair broken systems... that's what I'm trying to do! We crash 3-4 times daily right now.... very educational ;)
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<ogra__>
if you have a liveCD you can boot from, you can usually fix every misconfigured linux install with chroot :)
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<vagrantc>
sgonzalez: it just allows you to change context
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<sgonzalez>
ogra and vagrantc: Thanks so much. I have so much to learn... I will read up :)
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Are you there?
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sbalneav: I'm trying the LTSP5 from Feisty... I'm heaving a trouble on mounting root path that I didn't have yet... It says me nfsmount: need a path.
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<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: do you have the ip address listed in root-path in dhcpd.conf ?
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<Guaraldo>
Yep...
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<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: there's a bug in initramfs-tools that probably wasn't yet fixed in feisty... you'll need to remove the ip address from root-path
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: option root-path "192.168.5.3:/opt/ltsp5/i386";
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<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: and possibly use next-server, if the NFS server is different from the DHCP server.
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<Guaraldo>
Ok...
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<vagrantc>
so ... option root-path "/opt/ltsp5/i386"; and next-server 192.168.5.3;
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but on ubuntu, you only need next-server if it's different from the DHCP server
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Perfect!
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vagrantc: It's alive!!!
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<vagrantc>
i managed to figure out that bug after debian/etch was released, and so i don't think ubuntu picked it up until feisty
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er, until gutsy
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ubuntu has too many releases that end in y
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<Morphid>
I am having some trouble with local_device support on LTSP's, i have followed the instructions to properly install it yet when i insert a USB device the icon comes up but it shows no files. I followed the troubleshooting steps and im able to mount the device manually but it wont auto-mount any USB device
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<jcastro>
moquist: around?
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<cliebow__>
jcastro: it usually takes abouit three days just to say hello to moquist 8~)
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<jcastro>
cliebow__: I'm only on day 2 I think, plenty of time left, heh
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: On Feisty, after booting, on LDM, when I enter user and password it comes back to LDM screen...
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<moquist>
jcastro: sorta
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<jcastro>
moquist: you're coming to uds right?
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<moquist>
yep
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all week
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<jcastro>
moquist: sweet, I'll hunt you down for some .edu stuff
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<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: run ltsp-update-sshkeys and try again
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Guaraldo: is your NFS server the same as the server you're trying to log in to?
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<Guaraldo>
no, and the chroot is /opt/ltsp5
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ops... the NFS server is the same...
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but the chroot is not the default, vagrantc...
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<vagrantc>
ah...
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that is likely to cause problems, yes...
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Its not possible to use like this???
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<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: it is not well tested
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Guaraldo: so, you have to configure several things manually, and even then there may be bugs
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Hummm... thats a problem... :-/
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And if the NFS server is not the one I want to login on gutsy (I have a VMWARE with gutsy that I can try...
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<vagrantc>
we need a common way of defining where the chroot(s) are located
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gutsy doesn't even use NFS
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at least, not by default
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: What does gutsy use?
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<vagrantc>
NBD
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well ...
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NBD+unionfs+squashfs
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: ldm says that has problems with libgnome.so
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<moquist>
jcastro: perfect
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Well
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How can I use a gutsy ltsp5 to login on a Feisty box?
15:23* vagrantc doesn't use ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: basically, you need to get the ssh keys of the server into your ltsp chroot (or, in the case of gutsy, the .img file)
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<lns>
Whatsup everyone
16:51
Can anyone tell me why some of my clients are not able to boot via PXE? /var/log/messages follows:
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dhcpd: ICMP Echo reply while lease 10.25.32.50 valid. dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 10.25.32.50: pinged before offer
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Seems like something screwy with my dhcp pool...?
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In any case, this is the only message that pops up, and about 5 of 35 clients could not boot via pxe...
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hmm - nevermind, this looks like address conflicts to me...what's weird is that there should be plenty of addresses for everyone regardless, but the pxe dhcp times out. is dhcp kinda slow when it pings (and finds) hosts, and cycles to the next available address lease?
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<elisboa>
does anyone find a good reason for someone to want to free a subdir locked by a dir configured with a .htaccess (apache)?
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<SubZeroLux>
does anyone here have much experience in getting a pxe based remote install server to run installs of windows based operating systems from boot?
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<vagrantc>
wrong channel
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<SubZeroLux>
is there a _right_ channel for that sort of question?
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<vagrantc>
certainly not the channel for *Linux* Terminal Server Project
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it would seem like some windows channel would be more appropriate ...
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<SubZeroLux>
being that the source server that contains the pxe system in question *is* linux based... where else should i look, since ##linux directed me here.
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i would feel dirty for going in there.
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besides, i figure if i asked something like that in there the primary return i would get is 'just run RIS under server- duh.' which is NOT what i am looking for.
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<vagrantc>
SubZeroLux: well, on linux, all you need to do is configure dhcp to tell your pxe client where to download the bootloader from (either pxelinux or etherboot), or download your kernel directory.
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and configure a tftp server to serve up those files
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<SubZeroLux>
right, and that was done, i've tried many different configurations, none seem to complete an install process
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the ultimate goal being an addition to a server i already run that is designed specifically with remote network installations in mind. i have all the nix distro's that i use on it and functioning well already, i just need to add windows clients for the same.
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<vagrantc>
good luck
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SubZeroLux: you apparently have all the knowledge common to LTSP and what you're trying to do.
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seems like a windows forum is the most appropriate place for your question from here on out.,
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<SubZeroLux>
some might say. i was primarily looking for suggestions/feedback of some sort out of anyone whom as tried this similar configuration before
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noted
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thank you for your time.
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