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LTSP - Edubuntu 10.10 with Via C3 clients - clients unable to boot due to cx8 and cmov kernel requirements - any suggestions?
Edencampus: Yes - 10.04.
IMHO there's no way getting around that prob if you use 10.10.
Bummer. I hoped I could rebuild the client kernel :(
Oh well, time for a big download. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Thanks for the input. Downloading 10.04 now. Pity about the new features in Edubuntu 10.10 - now unusable in many thin client labs.
Edencampus: It is a shame. However the reason is clear - for some reason support for Via C3, K6 and old i386 processors has simply been dropped.
On the other hand - it is nice that it was not done in the LTS version.
True. At least we still have a couple of years of lts support.
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anyone had any kind of success with running virtualbox as a localapp? I have a few windows-only programs that I'm wanting to support, and rdesktop sadly wont work in this situation
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robehend1: yep, I ran it as a local app and it worked just fine
what kind of client specs, can i ask?
I can't remember the exact specs, it was some via machine with 1GB of RAM
so, would it be possible to then, say, install it in the chroot, and set Screen_08 = virtualbox , so that my users could just hit ctrl alt f8 and have a windows login prompt? I understand I'd have to write the script for that to work, of course
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yeah virtualbox needs an x session, of course, that doesn't sound ideal but I guess it can be done
is there a better recommendation? I'm trying to avoid them having to launch virtualbox, then launch the guest
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you could probably just have a session that launches the guest full screen, and when you close the guest it exits. that way you could just choose on ldm what you want
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hm would it be possible to launch an ltsp image that is running a newer version of ubuntu than the server?
for example, i could launch 11.04 on my thin clients while the server is running 10.04
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crazed: hmm, not sure on that one. i'd think it would be, since the chroot is seperate than the server in many ways. maybe with fat clients?
eh not really looking for fat clients though
mostly looking for the new ldm version
woudl it be possible to backport it from 11.04?
i think, otherwise, you may run into dependencie hell
highvoltage: that'd work. do you think i'd be able to have 1 xp guest that all the users could use? I'm thinking for easy administration side.
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robehend1: virtualbox can't do that
crazed: it's possible to connect to a newer application server than what your chroot is, yes. I think there's a limit to how for you can go back but I think 10.04 to 11.04 should be fine
wait i'm confused, my application server would be running 10.04, but my thin client images would do 11.04
is that doable/
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crazed: I haven't used that configuration before, and I believe LTSP clients don't work currently on 11.04, so it's likely that it won't work at this time
hmm sure they do, what do u mean they dont work?
oh wait 11.04, sorry misread, could be
Nubae: they don't stop somewhere during the boot process and hang, I don't have all the details with me, stgraber said he's planning to look at it over the next week
oh wow, so so much changed in natty?
crazed: why would you want to do that anyway? do you need some hardware support?
highvoltage btw, I've been hired as lead dev for sugar server development in py/uy
highvoltage: just for the new ldm version really
I'd love to know what's needed to get sugar working properly for ubuntu
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Nubae: you should update us some time on what's going on in sugar, I've gotten quite out of touch with it
though we are concentraing on rhel6 for now
the one in 10.04 spreads the screen across both monitors while the one in 11.04 will have your login in one monitor
there was also some cool stuff about being able to login to an RDP session from ldm? i believe?
crazed thats been around for a while
crazed: indeed, there might be a backport to lucid for that somewhere in a ppa...
Nubae: it has? what is it known as, I kind of want to configure this
would allow us to use one system for all employees
highvoltage sure thing, let me know when the next edubuntu meet is
Nubae: next wednesday, 20:00 UTC
crazed there was a lot of stuff done for persistent connections using rdp
meaning, if u get dropped physically by the network, u can reconnect and keep going
should be some howtos in the Ubuntu/ltsp wiki
not quite sure what that entails
well, its one of the bennefits of using rdp
it should just be a ldm.conf value
X_SERVER=rdp or some such... check the docs
highvoltage cool, I'll try be there
highvoltage: ah, thought so. Darn. Was an idea, at least. now to think of another one to make this work
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Unfortunately my laptop's nvidia card not longer works with the hair dryer... so I have to use the oven tomorrow :D
Baking the card at 200 °C for 20 min should do it, google says :)
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oh gosh, dont do that
cards have heavy metals. heavy metals that can seep into your oven, causing toxicity
I'll use an old oven that I had when I was in the university 20 years ago :)
this doesn't seem like a sustainable maintenance effort
actually, it works nicely. if you get it hot enough, can soften the solder and allow the connections to reseat
or light on fire. one of the two
I even saw a company while searching for new cards on ebay - they're "selling" their baking for 90 $
at least your video card isnt completely onboard in the laptop, so you dont have to bake the entire motherboard
The bad news is that I can't find a suitable card for < 150$. The good news is that my laptop boots without the card, so I can use it as a headless ltsp server ;)
i should look into picking up a laptop, since my old latitude has seen better days
say, is there a way to build a fat client based off of the edubuntu desktop? I like not having to install all the extra programs manually
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You mean like --fat-client-desktop=edubuntu-desktop?
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i wondered if that was possible. :D
and, if i'm reading --extra-help correctly, if i happened to throw an edubuntu dvd into the cdrom before doing that, it'd pull the packages from there instead of the internet?
Nope, it would need the packages in .deb format, not a live cd
ah. so still just use the package cache
The alternate cd does have the packages in .deb, but not the edubuntu packages
no problem. just noticing that building a fat-client takes longer, as it should, of course
any difference between --fat-client and --fat-client-desktop ?
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--fat-client uses the DE of the server
ah, and you get to specify in --fat-client-desktop.
looks like its gonna be a fun weekend of redoing this ltsp server
alkisg_debian: mind if i pick your brain on something, ltsp related/
well, our state-mandated testing software will only run on windows. so i was thinking of setting up vbox to run windows on the fat clients. getting vbox up and running is no problem. I'm just wondering if you know of a decent way to deploy the xp disk to users, so that they could use it.
I'm trying to avoid using microsoft terminal services due to licensing costs.
Are you (license-wise) able to use the same XP installation for all users?
(a clone of it, of course)
i've got the licenses available.
supposedly you need corporate for this
we're on the k-12 volume license agreement, with an alotted amount. no where near hitting it yet
But anyway... well, you install vbox on the chroot and just have a script that creates a snapshot of a premade VM on boot
You could manually make those, but it's easier to have a script
and i thought of something like that. my only concern would be admistration of the snapshot, because if I'm not mistaken, each user would have their own, correct?
+ add shared folders for desktop, documents etc, +autologon with the same user account for everyone (as it runs on their account, no need to have many)
The snapshot could be deleted when vbox is powered off
It's just so that they can all use a single "master disk"
==> save hard disk space + administration time
thats where I was getting stuck, since vbox locks the disk while in use, if i'm not mistaken
No, it doesn't, I've done it with vbox 4 yesterday
Booted 2 different XP installations from a single master disk
by pointing them both to the same .vmdk file?
+1 different snapshot for each of those
No, the .xml file was pointing to the same .vdi file as the primary disk, and it also had a snapshot on top of it
ah, ok. that makes better sense then
guess i'm giong to have to take a look at this closer. would be quicker than waiting on the state to update the software
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I'd make a /usr/local/bin/VirtualBox script that calls VBoxManage and sets up the snapshot when a user launches vbox from the gnome menu
That way it would be completely transparent. Just dropping a script, and everything's ready.
that makes sense. i'm going to have to learn my vbox command line again it seems
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