IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 25 July 2012   (all times are UTC)

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09:21
<Hyperbyte>
!alkisg
09:21
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
09:39
<muppis>
:D
09:43
<Hyperbyte>
I have some problem with a Ubuntu server, but I think I need to consult the oracle for that...
09:44
Disk usage bogs down the CPU like crazy... ltsp-update-image takes ~5 minutes at full CPU
09:44
I'd normally blame this on the hardware, but I kind of trust the hardware...
09:45
<muppis>
Is there IO wait during?
09:45
<Hyperbyte>
Yessir.
09:45
I've tried 'noapic acpi=off' in kernel command line, but that didn't change much, if anything.
09:47
hdparm -t /dev/sda reports very good speed (85 MB/sec)... but apart from that I'm getting lousy performance.
09:51
<muppis>
I assume no raid?
09:55
<Hyperbyte>
No raid!
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10:00
<Hyperbyte>
I just ran ltsp-update-image, to time it... it spent about 10 minutes, managed to finish ~700mb out of 1GB image and then crashed
10:02
<muppis>
Hmm..
10:03
At my home: dd if=/opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img of=/dev/null
10:03
3084189696 bytes (3.1 GB) copied, 51.8289 s, 59.5 MB/s
10:04
<Hyperbyte>
1007648768 bytes (1.0 GB) gekopieerd, 11.4857 s, 87.7 MB/s
10:04
Seems like that goes fast.
10:04
Maybe it's just writing that's problem.
10:05
Huh
10:05
dd if=i386.img of=tmpfile
10:05
1007648768 bytes (1.0 GB) gekopieerd, 21.5191 s, 46.8 MB/s
10:06
<muppis>
How about dd if=/dev/urandom of=tmpfile bs=1024 count=100
10:07
<Hyperbyte>
That's quite small isn't it?
10:07
102400 bytes (102 kB) gekopieerd, 0.0113257 s, 9.0 MB/s
10:08
<muppis>
Yeah, too small.
10:08
<Hyperbyte>
I made it 100 megabyte
10:08
102400000 bytes (102 MB) gekopieerd, 11.3588 s, 9.0 MB/s
10:09
That's about the same speed as on another machine that is working okay
10:09
To me, it looks like hardware is absolutely fine, but something's wrong i/o wise somewhere.
10:09
<muppis>
Looks same to me.
10:13
1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 107.65 s, 10.0 MB/s
10:16
<Hyperbyte>
I think I need the oracle.
10:18
<muppis>
Yep.
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10:47
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, can you read the logs? :)
10:49
<alkisg>
Hi Hyperbyte... so, this only happens with ltsp-update-image?
10:50
Try `chmod -x /usr/bin/ionice; ltsp-update-image`
10:55
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, okay... what am I looking for?
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11:14
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: if it solves your problem
11:15
<Hyperbyte>
Nope, still slow
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11:16
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: any nfs or other file system involved?
11:17
<Hyperbyte>
Nope.
11:17
Well file system sure, but ext4 local disk.
11:17
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: du -sh /lib
11:18
<Hyperbyte>
542 MB, very fast...
11:18
<alkisg>
time mksquashfs /lib /tmp/lib.squashfs
11:18
If it takes less than a minute, no problem there
11:19
(or 2 mins, depending on your CPU)
11:19
<Hyperbyte>
Timing now.... :)
11:20
<alkisg>
(time was a command btw, not a verb, in case you didn't know it)
11:20
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, I know. :)
11:20
<alkisg>
k
11:21
How many cpu cores?
11:21
<Hyperbyte>
1.
11:21
<alkisg>
Ah, make it 4 mins then, I thought you had a GOOD server :P
11:21
<muppis>
:D
11:22
<alkisg>
(Hyperbyte is always teasing me about my lousy school servers :D)
11:22
<muppis>
:)
11:23
There's ML350 G4 on floor as unused.. I was thinkig does anybody notice if I take it to home..
11:24
<Hyperbyte>
Alkis, this is at the radio station.... but I'm already fed up with the speed of this server now.....
11:24
It took 6 minutes and 18 seconds.
11:25
This weekend we're gonna replace it with an Intel Xeon... this experimental machine I took is just too old...
11:26
Is it problematic to virtualize an LTSP server?
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11:32
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, not really.
11:32
Only what really need to focus is network topology to get clients working.
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11:42
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo
11:42
<muppis>
That mksquashfs time took 7 min 27 at my home server. 2.6 GHz dualcore AMD
11:42
<alkisg>
Took 30 secs for me, but with only 172 MB in /lib
11:43
(intel dual core laptop)
11:45
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, it's an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (2.0 ghz)
11:46
In other words, it is normal for ltsp-build-client to take so long?
11:46
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
11:46
<Hyperbyte>
Errr, ltsp-update-image
11:46
<alkisg>
I.e. it's just a bit faster than my daughter's 3 year old NETBOOK
11:46
<Hyperbyte>
Heh
11:47
<alkisg>
Your score: 525, netbook = 370, my 4 years old laptop = 1500
11:47
So yeah, it's normal to take so long with that processor
11:47
<Hyperbyte>
Heh
11:47
I'm just gonna wait for the new server and virtualize LTSP
11:49
<alkisg>
Nah, keep the old one for a few months so that you get to sympathize school old servers more :D
11:49
<muppis>
This is odd, and offtopic: model name : AMD Processor model unknown
11:49
<alkisg>
muppis: try also dmidecode
11:51
You can then google with the signature if it doesn't specify a model name there either
11:54
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, most of the times that's Opteron
11:54
<muppis>
I think that motherboard does not regonize it correctly as it dmidecode shows all wrong anything about cpu hardware.
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11:55
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, you are logged in on the correct server? :P
11:55
<muppis>
Sure. :)
11:55
<Hyperbyte>
Just checking. ;-)
11:56
<muppis>
Googled ID and founded from Ubuntuforums someone else's dmidecode and there is Athlon 64 X2, as is should be.
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11:59
<muppis>
Well, if I get to my playing-PC quadcore, I'll take AMD out from server and will put c2d E6300 back there.
11:59
<Hyperbyte>
mhm
12:04
<muppis>
But that's in future.
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14:06
<PhoenixSTF>
Hello
14:06
has anyone tested watching a video of a flash in a terminal?
14:07
<dead_inside>
i can watch 7 flash videos and play two different flash games at the same time on our fat clients
14:08
so yea it works
14:08
the quality just depends on your setup
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14:09
<PhoenixSTF>
and the network holds, no glitches, no hickups?
14:10
<Hyperbyte>
PhoenixSTF, fat clients don't stream video over the network.
14:10
Thin clients do. But you haven't said which one you're planning to use.
14:10
<PhoenixSTF>
fat clients process on the client, so not thin right?
14:10
<dead_inside>
i have thin clients that can watch one video and play one game just fine
14:10
<PhoenixSTF>
I was thinking on raspeberry pi
14:10
for local schools
14:10
<dead_inside>
no gitches
14:11
<Hyperbyte>
If you want to use flash on thin clients, my advice is: don't. It holds up with a gigabit network, but when I watch fullscreen flash at 1920x1200 it stutters.
14:11
<dead_inside>
oh yes gig network is a must
14:11
<Hyperbyte>
If you're worried about watching flash video via your browser (such as YouTube), there are awesome plugins for Firefox which make use of xvideo, so are very, very fast.
14:11
When I use an xvideo plugin for Firefox I can watch fullscreen YouTube with no problems.
14:11
<dead_inside>
and youtube also has alot of their videos in html5
14:12
<PhoenixSTF>
thats neet :)
14:12
well the issue is my university and local schools are having issues, and I am trying to present a clean and cheap solution
14:13
to maximize the work on support and maintenence, and reducing cost, energy, and of course using free/open software
14:14
<dead_inside>
they are having issue with flash?
14:14
<PhoenixSTF>
so it's kind of a one man only project, but when the budget is very low, they wont buy Dell or hp cause they dont have the money
14:14
not really
14:15
they have P4 old machines
14:15
power ungry with Windows Xp on them
14:15
<dead_inside>
and they play flash just fine?
14:15
<PhoenixSTF>
I personally hate them, professionally it is very time consuption
14:16
they are suppost to work on java programing, some text, some youtube and thats it
14:16
<dead_inside>
i would say their flash experience would be the same if not better, depending on the servers you have
14:16
<PhoenixSTF>
like I said, its for kids and university students
14:17
so we've got matlab stuff, Netbeans or Eclipse, code blocks, and some other stuff
14:17
will a thin client do it?
14:18
<dead_inside>
depends on the servers you have
14:18
<Hyperbyte>
PhoenixSTF, Netbeans over remote X is horrible.
14:18
But if you have P4 clients, why would you use thin clients and not fat?
14:18
<PhoenixSTF>
we got Xeon and some Sparcs
14:19
Hyperbyte, can ltsp do fat?
14:19
<Hyperbyte>
If they can run Windows XP they can certainly run Linux Gnome.
14:19
<dead_inside>
ltsp is amazing at fat
14:19
<Hyperbyte>
PhoenixSTF, sure. LTSP can even choose per-client to serve it fat or thin.
14:19
<dead_inside>
"i can watch 7 flash videos and play two different flash games at the same time on our fat clients"
14:19
<PhoenixSTF>
so I can have thin and fat at the same time?
14:19
<Hyperbyte>
You could for example make your older clients thin, and your newer fat.
14:19
<dead_inside>
yes you can PhoenixSTF
14:20
<PhoenixSTF>
wow, fantastic
14:20
sorry for such nobish questions
14:20
<Hyperbyte>
But my advice is: if you want java applications (such as Netbeans) and flash to run smoothly, without any problems... use fat cliens.
14:20
*clients
14:20
<PhoenixSTF>
yes i was thinking about that 2
14:21
so I can have centralized homes, etc etc etc....
14:22
<Hyperbyte>
Centralized everything.
14:22
LTSP is diskless.
14:22
<PhoenixSTF>
do you have any tut that I can study in order to make it happen and show how much we can save
14:22
<Hyperbyte>
Although you could use the local harddrives for swap if you wish.
14:22
<PhoenixSTF>
Hyperbyte, intead of HDD i would use a cheap SD card
14:23
i think
14:23
how slow would it be with sd?
14:23
<Hyperbyte>
PhoenixSTF, I can do you one better. Download Edubuntu 12.04 ISO and boot one of your servers (or any machine in general) with the LTSP live DVD
14:23
Then you can have a basic LTSP thin client setup, to test.
14:24
Or better yet, just install it and build a fat client. Then you can just try it out, see how it performs.
14:24
<PhoenixSTF>
:)
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14:28
<hace>
I'm setting ltsp cluster now. some client login succesfully and the other is not.
14:28
after login and processing
14:29
it came back to login page again
14:29
<PhoenixSTF>
Hyperbyte, any links i can study?
14:30
<hace>
i'll attach my syslog
14:30
<PhoenixSTF>
hace better to use pastebin
14:31
btw dead_inside and Hyperbyte, thanks for the info, I really apreciate it
14:31
:)
14:34
<hace>
here it is http://pastebin.com/TCG2e9gW
14:35
<dead_inside>
yea no problem, sorry i was afk
14:41
<Hyperbyte>
PhoenixSTF, there's lots of documentation about LTSP. Have a look at the new LTSP wiki (http://server.ltsp.org/wiki)... it's in beta, but should contain useful for you.
14:41
PhoenixSTF, *information useful for you
14:41
<dead_inside>
oh wow
14:41
i like that wiki
14:41
<hace>
and this is syslog from client http://pastebin.com/uew8BdXk
14:42
<PhoenixSTF>
Hyperbyte, ty, just one thing, LTSP-Cluster and LTSP are not the same thing right?
14:43
<dead_inside>
and ltsp cluster is more then one ltsp server
14:43
but they are all still ltsp
14:44
<PhoenixSTF>
ok so same project diferent aproach
14:44
<brunolambert>
I guess LTSP-Cluster could be considered an add-on to LTSP
14:44
<PhoenixSTF>
ah ok
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<hace>
I can login to xterm session but not to gnome
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<hace>
finally i can login using attr XSERVER = vesa
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