IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

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03:00* work_alkisg has updated https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+translations-settings to export translations to lp:ltsp/ldm-trunk
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03:00
<alkisg>
...about to do the opposite with ltsp-trunk...
03:01
...done, let's see how the translations commits are affected
03:01
!tag
03:01
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'tag', but I do know about these similar topics: 'test', 'tftp'
03:03
<alkisg>
!learn tag as devs: before tagging a new ltsp version, remember to have launchpad export translations to the branch: https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+translations-settings
03:03
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
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03:18
<alkisg>
Hey willianmazzardo
03:18
<willianmazzardo>
alkisg, hi ;)
03:18
still wake ?
03:18
<alkisg>
Did you make your local /home/username?
03:18
Not still... just awake :)
03:19* alkisg is an early bird
03:25
<willianmazzardo>
ehehehe
03:25
so … i've made for one user /home locally … but she did the test just for one day
03:26
monday i will put in test for 3 users
03:27
i`d made test linking just PRINTERS directory from .wine/drive_c/windows/system32/spool locally, but problem remains :S
03:28
<alkisg>
Since the problem was more frequent with sshfs, less with nfs, and even less with local /home, I believe it's some race condition...
03:29
<willianmazzardo>
so … I have 2 directions … Or I make /home locally for all users under ltsp environment and they will put their files under NFS share to not lose any modification
03:29
or … i dont know :D
03:30
<alkisg>
Isn't ~/home/.wine enough?
03:30
If it needs all of /home/username, and /home/username/.wine isn't enough... then... something else goes wrong
03:30
<willianmazzardo>
but in .wine directory I have drive_c/user/%NAME_OF_USER%/Application DATA
03:31
application data directory is where my main application is in
03:31
<alkisg>
Try with only /home/username/.wine to be local. If it works, you can start ...bisecting it until we see exactly what part needs to be local.
03:31
<willianmazzardo>
sure … I will do this test
03:31
but just on monday
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05:33
<alkisg>
Hmm there are many dbus-activated services that we should disable on ltsp clients too...
05:44
...why LOCAL_APPS has a dash and LOCALDEVS doesn't?
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07:15
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, underscore... and I have no idea. :P
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07:21
<vagrantc>
LOCALDEV is also singular, whereas LOCAL_APPS is plural
07:21
the consistancy is in the inconsistancies
07:43
<alkisg>
...then LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS should have an underscore too :P
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14:08
<Elico>
hey there I wanted to understand couple things, anyone?
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15:00
<alkisg>
!ask | echo Elico:
15:00
<ltsp>
Elico: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
15:02
<Elico>
ltsp: sorry.. last day it was 3 people on the channel..
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15:03
<Elico>
OK so I want to first understand what LTSP is for? let say I want 1 server with 30 users to work on libreoffice and the clients should be terminal clients... (small CPU small RAM no disk) is this waht LTSP meant for?
15:03
what*
15:04
<alkisg>
LTSP is for maintaining 1 server that serves 30 diskless PCs instead of 31 PCs
15:04
It can be used for old PCs (ltsp thin clients) and for new PCs too (ltsp fat clients)
15:04
<Elico>
hoo nice !
15:05
<alkisg>
small cpu ==> needs >= 128 MB RAM
15:05
<Elico>
fat and thin clients but who is the main CPU consumer? or it could decide on spot?
15:05
OK
15:05
<alkisg>
Clients with <= 400 MB usually are used as thin, using the cpu of the server
15:05
>= 400, they're used as fat, using their own CPU
15:05
What are your client specs?
15:06
<Elico>
I have 1 celeron 2.4 with 256 MB ram
15:06
and a server with 2 cores 2gb ram and I can add later on to 4+ GB ram
15:06
<alkisg>
1 client only?
15:06
<Elico>
not exactly..
15:07
I had a situation that had 266mhz 30 clients.. with 128 MB ram
15:07
<alkisg>
That's the lowest specs for thin clients. They'll work, and load libreoffice and firefox and all, but will be slow.
15:08
Better get a good server for 30 clients... i7 preferrably
15:08
<Elico>
OK
15:08
and now about the software level
15:08
<alkisg>
Check its cpu in cpubenchmark.net, and see that it has a decent score, e.g. 3000+
15:08
<Elico>
OK
15:09
now what protocol is being used to see the libreoffice running on the server??
15:09
on the server it's very simple to manage users with passwords etc..
15:10
<alkisg>
It's managed by LTSP, the protocol is "X windows"
15:10
<Elico>
OK this is the firs thing I wanted to know.
15:10
<alkisg>
It's using a display manager called LDM, ssh for authentication, and remote X for transferring the display
15:11
<Elico>
OK so SSH should be used with a simple cihper right?
15:11
<alkisg>
You don't need to worry about setting it up, it's all automatically set
15:11
!docs
15:11
<ltsp>
docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
15:11
<Elico>
alkisg: I want to understand it rather then just put it in place..
15:13
<alkisg>
Elico: read the pdf for a good start in understanding it
15:13
IRC is good for solving specific questions, but not for replicating the docs for each new member that tries to understand ltsp :)
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15:15
<Elico>
alkisg: it is also good if someone wants to be there and that the answer will right in place for the question in mind rather a "book" or "doc" that answers allll the questions except the ones that you really have ;)
15:15
<alkisg>
True, but that wasn't 1 question above :)
15:18
<Elico>
alkisg: it's not the number that I pointed at and you are right!
15:19
<alkisg>
np, if you have specific questions feel free to ask again whatever you need
15:20
<Elico>
thanks!
15:21* markit fascinated by "You don't need to worry about setting it up, it's all automatically set", should have missed something
15:22
<Elico>
markit: the main issue Is that I tried the Fedora ISO but it's Fedora 10 while the world had already gotten to libreoffice 4 If I am not wrong.
15:23
<alkisg>
LTSP isn't maintained very actively in Fedora... better try some .deb-based distro
15:23
<Elico>
hmm OK this is another thing.
15:23
do you have any suggestion on a specific one? edubuntu?mint?raw debian?
15:24
<alkisg>
edubuntu is fine, plain ubuntu is fine, debian is fine, mint support is starting but not released yet
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<edwin__>
question here
16:34
I installed edubuntu with ltsp
16:34
installed firefox and flashplugin-installer in the chroot
16:35
youtube videos wants to load but it just stays there
16:35
like 1 second video and thats it
16:35
I am trying to install greasemonkey and it says firefox cannot modified some files
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<Yudh>
Dumb question number 1 - does the setup have to have access to 2 networks - one for the Internet and the other for LAN?
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<Yudh>
Dumb question number 2 - Has ANYONE gotten LTSP to work? EVER? I tried with Ubuntu a couple of years ago and lost 6 weeks of my life. Now I'm back and the adventures with OpenSUSE
17:46
are proving to be similar
17:46
oh the nightmares
17:47
<expert LTSP-er> LTSP is Microsoft in disguise, we don't actually have a working product
17:47
oh, then what's all the noise about
17:47
<expert LTSP-er> That's just it, it is all noise
17:48
<expert LTSP-er> You expect LTSP to WORK?
17:48
eh... yes
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17:53
<Yudh>
<expert LTSP-er>Hey! who are you and who do you think you are and what do you think you are doing here? whoever you are?
17:53
I'm just someone who wants to get LTSP working, now get this, at a school - NOTHING LESS!
17:54
Go back to the country you came from LTSP!
17:54
<expert LTSP-er> We happen to be in all countries
17:54
so are flies, but that does not make them welcome
17:54
<expert LTSP-er> why don't you go back to your country!
17:55
The world is my toilet
17:55
<expert LTSP-er> WHAAAAT?
17:55
You shutdown the government you tea partier!
17:55
<expert LTSP-er> who me, I'm an incompetent LTSP expert
17:56
now that is an oxymoron
17:56
Is this IRC channel made for just the two of us?
17:57
<expert LTSP-er>No you numbskul, the government is also snooping in
17:57
that would make 2 of us who don't know how to get LTSP going
17:58
<expert LTSP-er>wait, then who is Elico, I thought the feds don't announce themselves?
17:58
that's my alter-ego
17:58
get it, alter-ego, Elico?
17:59
<expert LTSP-er> Sorry Elico, this guy is having a boring weekend and getting his kicks here
17:59
No, I'm trying to get LTSP going
17:59
<expert LTSP-er>going going .... gone!
17:59
<expert LTSP-er>get outta here!
17:59
who, me no!
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18:13
<Phantomas>
wtf?
18:20
<alkisg>
Wow, it appears that we need to make the ltsp installer a lot easier, for the sake of people's sanity... :)
19:24
<Elico>
alkisg: I am with you!
19:26
alkisg: I would say that I want to read the PDF and send a feedback... is there any option like this?
19:28
<alkisg>
Sure, you could even file a bug report in ltsp-docs if needed
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20:12
<Elico>
OK thanks will read later on probbly
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20:30
<alkisg>
Phantomas: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes
20:30
The translation commits were disabled for months, and I temporarily enabled them yesterday...
20:30
So just 1 commit :)
20:32
<Phantomas>
nice
20:33
we should do that in epoptes too
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21:33
<Hyperbyte>
I especially like the part where he says "get outta here? who, me? no!" and then leaves.
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