IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 February 2014   (all times are UTC)

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11:01
<gbaman>
alkisg, just set the server ip to 192.168.67.1, didnt work
11:01
does not seem to be acting as a DHCP server
11:02
<alkisg>
It worked fine the last 2000 times I've done it :)
11:02
So it's some problem related to your specific installation, debug it with your local sysadmin...
11:02
<gbaman>
i am on my own network
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11:02
<gbaman>
completely separate
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11:08
<gbaman>
anything wrong with that?
11:08
http://pastebin.com/7m7qSm0z
11:09
<alkisg>
sudo netstat -nap|grep :67
11:11
<gbaman>
yes, returns 0.0.0.0:67 and 6327/dnsmasq
11:11
am i missing something stupid? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1122948/temp/ltsp-ip.jpeg
11:14
<alkisg>
output of: nm-tool; egrep -rv '^#|^$' /etc/dnsmasq.*
11:17
<gbaman>
wait, might have found the issue, the IP is stuck on another range..
11:18
oh, we are alive
11:18
weird...
11:19
network manager didnt update the IP when I changed it in there...
11:19
had to physically unplug the cable and plug it back in for it to apply the changes
11:19
<alkisg>
You need to activate (click) the connection after editing it
11:19
<gbaman>
weird...
11:19
ahh
11:19
didnt know that
11:19
is all working it seems now
11:20
thanks alkisg :)
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13:50
<rkwesk>
Ubuntu 12.04 4 thin clients boot ok but 3 clients fail to boot via nbd, telling me: "exported device is too big for me"
13:52
my kneejerk reaction is to think this message is not accurate and that some other problem is afoot
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<rkwesk>
the clients are an odd collection of pentium 3 's, each different from the last
13:56
all of them worked with Ubuntu 10.04 in the past.
13:57
<Hyperbyte>
rkwesk, how much ram do the clients have?
13:57
<rkwesk>
probably 128MB
13:58
<Hyperbyte>
I think this was a problem with NBD configuration though.
13:58
Did you do an upgrade or reinstall?
13:58
<rkwesk>
reinstall fresh
13:58
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm.
13:59
<rkwesk>
funny thing is some of 128MB do work
13:59
<Hyperbyte>
Do you have a /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf file?
13:59
<rkwesk>
yes, but right now i'm at home
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<Hyperbyte>
Well, that's going to make it a bit difficult, if you can't access the machine.
14:01
<rkwesk>
yes, ok. thanks for thinking about it
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15:26
<jmilot>
Hello,
15:26
I would like to use ltsp without nfs
15:27
only nbd
15:27
how i can change this ?
15:27
<alkisg>
Which distro/version?
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15:32
<jmilot>
I use debian wheezy
15:32
i find it 's slow with nfs ...
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<alkisg>
jmilot: `ltsp-config nbd-server` and `ltsp-update-image` should be enough...
15:36
<jmilot>
thanks
15:37
do you think nfs can make ltsp slow ?
15:37
how i can test and improve it ?
15:39
<alkisg>
Thin or fat clients?
15:39
nfs is about 5 times slower than nbd, yes
15:39
But it mostly affects fat clients
15:39
<jmilot>
I use thin client
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<alkisg>
So it mostly affects their boot time, nothing more
15:40
<jmilot>
and some fat client
15:40
<alkisg>
Do you use localapps?
15:40
<jmilot>
i think i don't see the difference between fat and thin client
15:40
no localapps
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15:43
<jmilot>
alkisg : i use some Wyse V90 and PC with pxe
15:43
and users say me it's slow
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15:52
<alkisg>
jmilot: check the cpu score in cpubenchmark.net
15:53
For good fat client experience the clients need 1 GB RAM and 1000 CPU score
15:53
I.e. the same as normal debian installations...
15:54
<jmilot>
how i can make the test ?
15:54
<ogra_>
and wrt nbd vs nfs ... the only speed-up you will see on thin clients is the boot ... once the login manager is loaded nothing comes from nbd/nfs anymore
15:55
(that is different on fat ones indeed)
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<alkisg>
jmilot: don't make the test, just google "cpu model" "cpubenchmark.net"
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And check the results. Or just mention the model of your CPU, and how much RAM the clients have...
15:58
<jmilot>
1Gb RAM
15:58
cpu : VIA Nehemiah
15:59
<alkisg>
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=VIA+Nehemiah&id=1425
15:59
Slower than an atom... :)
15:59
So yeah that's a very low-performing fat client
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(or low performing pc in general..)
16:00
<jmilot>
what's the difference betwen fat and thin client ?
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<alkisg>
Thin clients use the server CPU, fat clients use their own CPU
16:00
For thins you need a good server, for fats you need good clients
16:00
Fats are better if you can afford them...
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<jmilot>
i use thin client i think
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<jmilot>
what is a good server for you?
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<ogra_>
lots and lots of ram
16:10
fast disks ... preferably RAID
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and a beefy CPU
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<jmilot>
for know, i have 6Gb RAM, raid 5
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4CPU
16:11
<ogra_>
how many users ?
16:11
<jmilot>
it's a DELL PE 2850
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10 max
16:11
<ogra_>
that should actually be fine
16:12
<jmilot>
but i don't understand why they tell me it's slow ...
16:12
<ogra_>
how fast is your network ?
16:12
on thinn clients usually the network is the limiting factor
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<jmilot>
Gb
16:13
<ogra_>
the clients have GB NICs ?
16:13
<jmilot>
and some clients have 100Mb
16:13
<ogra_>
hmm, that should be ok
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16:19
<jmilot>
mount home with nfs in thin client could make it slow ?
16:20
<alkisg>
!flash
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<ltsp>
flash: Yes, flash sucks. An HD full screen 30 fps video needs 2.5 Gbps bandwidth (1920×1080×4×30)! Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like http://linterna-magica.nongnu.org
16:20
<alkisg>
Thin clients need at most 2.5 gbps per client
16:20
So 25 gbps for 10 clients :P
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<alkisg>
But OK 10 clients with a quad core cpu on a gigabit network... 4-5 of them should be able to visit youtube with some ad blocker etc
16:21
Non-full screen though
16:22
For thin clients, nfs vs nbd doesn't make any real difference, so don't bother with that
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<jmilot>
they use icedove, iceweasel and also libreoffice
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<alkisg>
Browsing is needed in 99% of the cases, and in 99% of the cases it's the most demanding application, so it's usually not needed to ask people what are they using Linux for... :)
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<jmilot>
linterna magica , works fine ?
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<alkisg>
No idea
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<jmilot>
it seems it doesn't work :$
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21:27
<derekn>
Can anyone tell me how to install the proprietary nvidia drivers to an ltsp image in ubuntu 12.04?
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21:42
<JuJuBee>
Can I change the logo/image on the login screen?
21:43
<vagrantc>
you can create a theme and set it using LDM_THEME
21:44
look in /opt/ltsp/*/usr/share/ldm/themes/ for example themes
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<JuJuBee>
So is the LTSP part of a graphic?
21:48
<vagrantc>
i think there's a logo, a background, and i forget what all else.
21:48
experiment! :)
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<JuJuBee>
Do i need to rewrite the image after editing the logo.png?
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<vagrantc>
if you're using NBD, yes.
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<JuJuBee>
Sorry to ask this, I set this ltsp server up some time ago, how do I know?
22:17
<vagrantc>
!release
22:17
<ltsp>
release: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
22:17
<JuJuBee>
sorry, Ubuntu 13.04
22:17
<vagrantc>
it's probably NBD, yes.
22:17
unless you went out of youur way to use NFS
22:19
<JuJuBee>
I don't think so
22:19
I will update-image and check
23:12
Thanks, working nicely
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<vagrantc>
!alkisg-todo
23:57
<ltsp>
alkisg-todo: (#1) upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA, or (#2) LDM password hash, or (#3) Check ltsp bugs in debian.org, or (#4) ltsp-config aoe (for swap too), or (#5) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#6) "support logind for fat clients"
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