IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 April 2012   (all times are UTC)

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04:31
<H0ax>
||cw: clients use only rdp in fullscreen
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04:49
<H0ax>
||cw: I have bell-style none and using rmmod pcspkr after client boots
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09:44
<dobber>
on ltsp client, how can I setup vpn after the network is started
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09:52
<vmlintu_>
dobber: what kind of vpn?
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09:56
<dobber>
pptp
09:57
<vmlintu_>
Where does it connect to? Some outside server?
09:59
<dobber>
yes
09:59
<vmlintu_>
if you are using ltsp thin clients, you need to run it on the ltsp server
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10:01
<dobber>
I have fat clients. I guess I need to change the initrd and add the vpn connection to it
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10:02
<dobber>
the vpn server is on another machine in the local network of the ltsp server
10:04
<vmlintu_>
ok.. how the vpn client authenticates itself to the server?
10:05
do enter username/password or something else?
10:07
if it's enough that the vpn works when user logs in, you could start it in session setup scripts or from PAM
10:08
<dobber>
with pptpsetup --lots --of --options
10:09
yes i have user/pass
10:09
ok then, let me try it
10:10
<vmlintu_>
are the usernames and passwords same for the vpn server as for the fat clients?
10:10
If that's the case, you could catch the username/password in PAM stack and pass it on to the vpn client so that it connects automatically
10:10
<dobber>
not yet, but i want to make them the same
10:10
the fat clients use ldap user/pass
10:11
the pptp uses chap secrets for now
10:12
<vmlintu_>
I have been using only openvpn tunnels
10:12
but not on fat clients
10:13
<dobber>
it's not a big difference if you have to edit the initrd
10:14
i wonder, why ltsp wants to have network up in initrd :(
10:14
before init
10:14
it complicated the process a lot :(
10:14
<ogra_>
init brings up the network in ltsp
10:14
its not *before* init
10:15
and it needs to be up in initrd because the rootfs is mounted from a remote location over the network
10:16
<vmlintu_>
do you want to tunnel the rootfs connection?
10:17
<dobber>
yes
10:17
i'm booting from usb stick
10:17
i have this line in sysconfig
10:17
APPEND ro root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=204800 looptype=squashfs loop=/oneiric.img cdroot initrd=/initrd.img nbdport=2002
10:18
in the local network with dhcp it's working perfectly
10:18
but i need to be able to boot it outside the network
10:18
and i have given up on trying to start up wireless connection in the initrd
10:19
<ogra_>
that would be highly insecure
10:19
<dobber>
probably
10:19
<ogra_>
since you would have to put the WEP key in there .... and given anyone in your network can then download and unpack the initrd ...
10:20
.... you could as well go with a fully open network
10:20
<dobber>
well i would love to be able to put a curses network manager to configure the network
10:20
so i don't have to hard-code user/pass in initrd
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10:24
<dobber>
but it's too hard and i've given up
10:24
<markit>
hi, I've a really bad situation with server freezing (kubuntu 11.04) while 22 clients using impress, but don't know if is related to impress or not. Sometime it freezes when printing. I'm not at school, I've been referred by a teacher. What is the first thing to check? what log? what config? 12GB ram in the server isn't enough? tons of free hd space
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10:48
<alkisg>
dobber: in oneiric you should have network manager running in ltsp fat clients, so you should be able to create and use vpn connections "normally"
10:48
But I think that in your case, I'd go with usb ltsp booting + x2go
10:49
<dobber>
alkisg: what is x2go>
10:49
?
10:50
<alkisg>
!x2go
10:50
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "x2go" is not a valid command.
10:50
<dobber>
how do i start the network manager ?
10:51
<alkisg>
!learn x2go as x2go is an NX-based suite of applications that allow logging in to a remote X server from any OS. It's much more efficient than VNC over slow network. More info: http://www.x2go.org/
10:51
<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
10:52
<alkisg>
The network manager should already be started on boot
10:52
so you'd only need to drop a connection in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
10:53
dobber: can you describe your end goal/use case in more detail?
10:53
<dobber>
ok, do you guys want to start a thread somewhere
10:53
because it's getting to branched up
10:54
my goal is to give usb sticks to my co-worker so they can work from home
10:54* ogra_ would go with just having a local install in these then
10:54
<dobber>
but i don't trust their windows (key loggers, etc) so i want to boot from the usb
10:55
start the vpn and they would be able to work as if they were in office
10:55
<alkisg>
Then a normal (non-ltsp) usb stick + x2go sounds fine
10:55
<dobber>
with their ltsp profiles
10:55
<ogra_>
(probably with a preconfigured vpn setup and a preconfigured user with autologin or so)
10:55
<alkisg>
x2go uses ssh, so you don't really need a vpn
10:56
<ogra_>
right
10:56
if you go with x2go :)
10:56
<dobber>
i don't need autologin in ltsp, they should be able to use their user/pass
10:56
<alkisg>
All this has nothing to do with LTSP. An x2go (and all other NX variants) perform much better over ADSL etc than X windows, VNC etc
10:57
So I don't think you need to be looking at LTSP for your use case
10:58
<dobber>
x2go is a bootable linux with X client that can connect to ltsp server ?
10:58
<alkisg>
No
10:58
You need two parts
10:58
1) bootable part
10:58
2) remote X part
10:58
x2go is (2)
10:58
For (1), you can use any linux version, live usb stick or not...
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10:59
<dobber>
when do I start x2go ? Instead of X ?
10:59
<alkisg>
Do you know about windows remote desktop?
10:59
<dobber>
yes
10:59
<alkisg>
rdesktop, xfreerdp etc?
10:59
It's like that, only for linux
10:59
So the usb stick boots normally, displays X and all
10:59
<dobber>
i see
10:59
<alkisg>
And then you click on x2go and launch it full screen
11:00
And if you want you can put it in autostart items etc etc
11:00
<dobber>
but then all application will start from the ltsp server, not the client
11:00
<alkisg>
Yes
11:00
Once you run x2go, you're in the ltsp server after that
11:01
<dobber>
well i'll give it a try
11:01
but i have lots of apps configured to run locally
11:02
i dunno if this is going to work, let me try the mac client now
11:04
i can't connect
11:04
<alkisg>
If you prefer ltsp fat clients over x2go, you can write the whole ltsp chroot in a stick
11:05
You'd need to change the initramfs just a bit for that to work
11:05
Then the login + /home can be as usual, over ssh
11:05
<ogra_>
would you ? you should eb able to use a local lts.conf, no ?
11:06
<dobber>
guys, i can't test fast enough
11:06
i installed x2goclient on my mac
11:06
but it fails to connect
11:06
<alkisg>
Did you install the server too?
11:07
<ogra_>
do you have a server installed on the other side ?
11:07
<dobber>
on my ltsp server ?
11:07
<ogra_>
indeed
11:07
<dobber>
nope
11:07
<alkisg>
OK, read the x2go docs first, and if you can't find out how to use it, try their mailing list
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11:07
<alkisg>
x2go is fast for remote X
11:07
But fat clients should be faster, of course
11:09
<dobber>
the problem is that the network is started from /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udhcp
11:09
and if it can't work with lan+dhcp it stops
11:09
so there is no network manager there
11:10
<alkisg>
In 12.04 that was solved, if booting locally then udhcpc does nothing
11:10
You could either backport the fix, or pass a temporary specific ip=x:x:x:x:x in the kernel command line
11:10
<dobber>
i'm on 11.10 still
11:10
<alkisg>
Network manager is started after the initramfs stage
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11:31
<dobber>
do i need to mount the rootfs in the initrd if i have my image on the usb stick
11:33
<alkisg>
Yes the initramfs always needs to mount the rootfs, LTSP or not.
11:34
<dobber>
i mean, the ltsp rootfs
11:34
if i have my onieric.img with the usb
11:34
<alkisg>
Yes
11:35
<dobber>
so i can mount the onieric.img localy and skip networking
11:35
for later
11:35
<alkisg>
Yes
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12:14
<dobber>
i installed x2go server and was able to log in
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12:17
<markit>
dobber: I've seen that is FOSS, so great, never tried, let me know your impressions
12:17
<dobber>
my keymap is totaly broken!?
12:17
<markit>
ehm :(
12:19
<sep>
dobber, i think that's configureable in the connection settings. (been a while since i used x2go )
12:19
<dobber>
well it's not ltsp
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<dobber>
and ltsp localapps are missing afcourse
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<dobber>
ok guys, is there some discussion forum where i can open up a thread
13:27
x2go is ok-ish but it's not ltsp
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<dobber>
so i have to use different server for it
13:33
<alkisg>
A discussion forum for x2go or for how to boot ltsp from a stick?
13:33
For the latter, you might get some answers from the mailing list, or you might just wait a couple of months until I properly implement it, we're halfway there now
13:34
<dobber>
maybe i'll help then
13:34
http://pastebin.com/avxAkZ0q
13:34
is this a proper sequence ?
13:35
<alkisg>
No
13:36
Moment, need to clean something up...
13:45
dobber: I imagine it like this:
13:45
1) Tell your users to run win32loader.exe from windows
13:46
That's a debian project that aims for easy debian installation
13:46
It downloads the kernel from some site
13:46
==> you can tell it to fetch your ltsp kernel+initrd if you put them somewhere
13:46
2) Tell your users to copy /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in their windows hard disks
13:47
Steps 1 and 2 can also be done with a usb stick, but I find it easier this way ^
13:47
<dobber>
alkisg: we want usb sticks because of keyloggers on windows
13:47
<alkisg>
Keyloggers won't run since it'll be linux
13:47
A linux kernel and a loopback linux image
13:48
So nothing windows-related is loaded
13:48
<ogra_>
you could install a linux keylogger indeed (thogh you first have to write one i guess)
13:48
<alkisg>
But if you really really want a usb stick, the principal is the same, a bootloader, the kernel+initrd, and the i386.img image
13:48
Now, the kernel command line would have to have something like:
13:49
root=UUID or LABEL, the label of the hard disk or usb stick where the i386.img resides, and init=/sbin/init-ltsp, the regular 12.04 way to select an ltsp boot
13:50
So at that point udhcp sees that nbdroot isn't selected, so it doesn't bring up the network,
13:50
the normal initramfs mounts the disk at /root,
13:50
and the local-bottom/ltsp script then has one task to do, which is the part that isn't implemented yet:
13:51
Check yet another kernel parameter, e.g. ltsp-loopback=/path/to/i386.img,
13:51
locate it in /root/path/to/i386.img,
13:51
loop mount it, and mount --bind it to /root, so that's the new root
13:51
That's all, then it exits and everything works as normal
13:51
(that was step 3)
13:52
<ogra_>
wh not mount --move ?
13:52
*why even
13:52
<alkisg>
Details... :D
13:52
<ogra_>
:)
13:52
<alkisg>
True, --move
13:52
Now about the networking part,
13:52
you don't need wicd or anything
13:52
Network manager runs fine without X, and connects automatically to any system connections defined as "auto start"
13:53
So you just need to create one such connection, and copy it to your chroot, and run ltsp-update-image, _before_ telling your users to download i386.img
13:53
<dobber>
what if i'm on unknown wifi network
13:54
s/i',m/they are/
13:54
<alkisg>
Then you could run the network manager connection editor for them from ldm
13:56
You could also allow them to login completely locally with a guest account, with full access to network manager, so that they set up any network connection they like, if they know how
13:57
And if you go too far, you can even have some persistence there, to allow the network connections to persist across reboots
13:57
Work time, bbl
13:57
<dobber>
well let's sort the booting time for now
13:58
<alkisg>
(will read irc logs when I come back)
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18:01
<Zen_>
anyone hanging out here to answer some LTSP questions?
18:01
<alkisg>
!ask
18:01
<ltsp`>
alkisg: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
18:06
<Zen_>
I was looking at ltsp-cluster but there does not seem to be any news or updates since 2010 so I was wondering how alive that project is.
18:07
https://www.revolutionlinux.com seems to be offering services around it but it's not clear what version that is.
18:08
<alkisg>
I think they're the ones maintaining it, so they should support the latest version
18:08
<Zen_>
I was looking at implementing a 10-15 seat setup for both a small local school in Costa Rica as well as double it as an internet cafe.
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<alkisg>
Hang around, they may answer, if not, try other hours to find them online or use their contact pages etc
18:09
Why would you need a cluster just for 10-15 seats?
18:09
<Zen_>
the ltsp-cluster page pointed me to this IRC channel
18:10
<alkisg>
I believe cluster is for multi-server setups, with hundreds of users etc
18:10
For smaller setups, plain LTSP is fine
18:10
<Zen_>
right.. that was my next question... would I need a cluster even for such a small project other than longer term easier managment and to learn ltsp cluster.
18:11
Once I learn it, there are other projects on the table I can implement which would service call centers.
18:12
can a 10-20 seat call center be run by a normal LTSP on a box with 8 cores ?
18:13
<alkisg>
Sure
18:13
And if you run the phone app as a localapp, a single core would also do
18:13
*single core server
18:14
<Zen_>
phone app meaning a soft voip client?
18:14
<alkisg>
Yes, whatever you need to run on the clients
18:16
<Zen_>
for the language school, we want to make use of Rosetta Stone language software which runs on windows/wine. Does winehq generally run fine on a LTSP setup?
18:16
<alkisg>
For some apps, wine can be a bit slow over the network, but if your clients are good enough to run it as a localapp, it runs normally then
18:17
If that software doesn't have many screen updates, I imagine it'll run just fine either way
18:21
<Zen_>
you know if there any pre-made virtua lmanchines appliances for openvz containers with a LTSP setup installed ready to go?
18:22
<alkisg>
No idea, but the edubuntu live dvd does have an ltsp live functionality
18:24
<Zen_>
ltsp-cluster has OpenVZ info but as suggested, maybe using cluster overcomplicates this. I will do some more research. Thanks for your tiem and answers provided so far. :)
18:25
<talntid>
so, in a further effort to optimize my LTSP setup, I have determined my memory/CPU usage is very low, but... my loads are still around 6-8.... I have 36 users, and 7cores, 8gb ram
18:26
I'm being bottlenecked by network performance right now
18:26
would disabling compression help me out? My thin clients are nfsmounted to a remote file server, for what it is worth. but they are on the same network, connected by gigE
18:26
<alkisg>
talntid: btw do you have ldm_directx=true?
18:26
<talntid>
checking
18:27
<alkisg>
!directx
18:27
<ltsp`>
alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
18:28
<talntid>
ahh, suhweet.
18:29
I don't have that
18:29
http://pastebin.com/VRSdxBwj
18:29
there's mine
18:29
uncommented the ldm_directx
18:31
<alkisg>
You should probably delete lines: 2, 4, 5, 6 and 9
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18:35
<talntid>
ok
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18:38
<talntid>
!docs
18:38
<ltsp`>
talntid: docs: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<markit>
hi ppl
19:01
alkisg: today another freeze of the server... tomorrow I'll try to get the logs
19:02
alkisg: anything special to look for? do you have also problems with Impress? don't know if is just a coincidence, they were working with it
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19:03
<alkisg>
Hi markit, I've heard about impress hanging in various cases, unrelated to LTSP etd
19:03
etc
19:03
<markit>
btw, epoptes log is 1.6MB...
19:04
<alkisg>
markit: thin or fat clients?
19:04
<markit>
yep, but the problem is that the server (and so all teh clients) are frozen
19:04
thin client
19:04
12GB ram, 22 clients
19:05
<alkisg>
That's when printing?
19:05
(the server freeze)
19:05
<markit>
btw, this day but don't know if at this hour, in epoptes log I have 2012-04-17 08:40:08+0200 [-] Ping timeout!
19:05
alkisg: has been when printing, today I don't know, for sure they put a child on the server
19:05
<alkisg>
That's no big deal, it happens whenever a client closes without closing the network connections first
19:05
<markit>
that is like put a passenger to pilot the airplane...
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19:06
<alkisg>
Problems in server modules can crash the server of course, but those problems aren't related to LTSP...
19:07
<markit>
alkisg: I already told you about it but I thought GNU/Linux was rock solid, while I see it hardly usable for multiuser
19:07
<talntid>
alkisg, you maintain epoptes, right?
19:07
<markit>
alkisg: here I've the log of the entire server, if you want a zip of them...
19:07
<alkisg>
Nope
19:08
<talntid>
ah, ok
19:08
<alkisg>
I can't help with module problems
19:08
You should file a bug on the linux kernel if they're embedded
19:08
Or to HP if it's about the printer module you installed
19:08
<markit>
alkisg: hehe, hp has "unsupported" linux drivers
19:08
<alkisg>
Then don't buy from them :)
19:08
<markit>
they provide for Windows and Mac, but for "poor stupid foss people" is to thank that they give us drivers
19:08
<talntid>
being that is the case, your options are......... alkisg hit the nail on the head
19:09
haha
19:09
<markit>
impossible pretend that they also work reliable
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19:09
<markit>
alkisg: hp is the "less worse"
19:09
alkisg: out of rant...
19:09
do you have a "stress test" for ltsp?
19:10
<alkisg>
Anyway, all this is unrelated to LTSP and even to GNU/Linux as you keep saying it :D
19:10
I usually test with video broadcasting
19:10
Fullscreen
19:10
There's also a "stress" utility
19:10
<markit>
good idea
19:11
but video broadcasting is vnc with epoptes
19:11
would love to have a graphical program run indipendently from vnc stuff
19:11
that can act as test
19:11
<alkisg>
No vnc
19:12
I select the clients with epoptes and run a command with the execute dialog:
19:12
<markit>
video broadcasting with vlc?
19:12
<alkisg>
totem /home/teacher/Public/video.avi
19:12
-fullscreen, even
19:12
<markit>
oh, you know you have to be very explicit with me :)
19:12
<alkisg>
And if I want to stress the network, I run iperf -s on the server, and iperf -c server on the clients
19:12
<markit>
ok, I'll test tomorrow this way
19:13
thanks a lot for the tips
19:13
<alkisg>
np
19:14
<markit>
btw, I've seen you talking about x2go today... is working fine? something worths try and use?
19:14
(for remote connection)
19:14
and would it be a good idea for epoptes remote help instead (or in addition to ) vnc?
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<muppis>
!win32-loader
19:17
<ltsp`>
muppis: win32-loader: win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/ (if someone can write a wiki page about it it'd be nice :))
19:19
<alkisg>
markit: x2go works fine, yes, it's one of the few opensource nx implementations that are still maintained
19:20
No it wouldn't help with epoptes, as x2go relies on vnc too for local screen sharing
19:22
<markit>
alkisg: I meant for REMOTE help
19:22
ssh, vnc and x2go
19:22
<alkisg>
markit: remote help means sharing the local user display
19:23
Local == one where the user has a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse
19:23
As opposed to a "virtual" one, when you connect with NX to a remote server
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19:23
<alkisg>
So there, x2go uses vnc
19:23
x2go: vnc+ssh
19:23
epoptes: vnc+ssl
19:23
...so no benefit to use x2go too
19:25
<markit>
no nx?
19:25* markit confused
19:25
<alkisg>
x2go uses nx too, yes
19:25
<markit>
I mean, the teacher is in troubles and asks for help... now epoptes uses ssh or vnc, but NX protocol should be much faster
19:25
<alkisg>
vnc+ssh+nx
19:26
Yes x2go in that case uses vnc too. vnc for local display access, and nx/ssh to transfer the screen.
19:26
So it's slower than normal x2go operation
19:27
I don't think it's worth the trouble to integrate that to epoptes
19:27
Because then ssh authentication would be needed, etc
19:27
If one wants to do it he can do it directly with x2go
19:30
<markit>
got it, thanks
19:30
looking at syslog... lots of martian source 192.168.20.126 from 192.168.20.10, on dev bond1 etc
19:30
but don't think is a problem
19:34
mmm tons of disconnect at a certain point
19:34
but don't know if is normal or not
19:34
nbd_server[4887]: connect from 192.168.20.115, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
19:34
nbd_server[4887]: Size of exported file/device is 643371008
19:34
nbd_server[4887]: Disconnect request received.
19:35
well, seems also that the printer was disconnected at a certain point
19:36
gnuserver nbd_server[8682]: Read failed: Connection timed out
19:36
not good
19:37
alkisg: I've found this strange line:
19:37
file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/LFJFFHGIFHKGFHVGHHHHHFDUHFIDYUGRTGFUYGUFGUYTGUETDYTESDYUUYRDUYTEFRYUFTFRUYTDFUYTDUYTFFDUYTFDUYDTFUYDTFRUGFYGDFHUYFWUYGYDFFGUDYGFGWTUREFUYGYUDUYF not found
19:37
(5 times in sequence)
19:37
well, anyone has idea about it?
19:39
<talntid>
not me.
19:39
although my deployment is larger than yours, I'm a nooob
19:39
and I don't do any printing from the clients
19:42
<markit>
talntid: the printer is connected to the server, usb
19:43
I've set it as shared, just to have it ready when I will "upgrade" to fat clients
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19:45
<markit>
I see a reboot, and since 2 minutes in advance, a blast of printer error
19:45
<talntid>
I'v got nothin'
19:45
that doesn't necessarily sound like a LTSP issue.
19:46
can you print from the server reliably?
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<markit>
talntid: I'm not telling that is a ltsp issue, just that it's brining down my ltsp server
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<markit>
and makes teacher think that ltsp is really broken
19:50
<talntid>
ah I see
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19:58
<markit>
to be sincere, having one student print something and all the class frozen is far from reassuring experience
19:59
<||cw>
is the server single core? is it doing bitmap printing, eating all the ram?
20:14
<markit>
||cw: is i7 quad core with 12 gb ram
20:14
but looking at the logs, seems that the printer gets "disconnected" or has errors in communication
20:14
cups log is scaring
20:15
at a certain point, I suppose the one of the froze, I've tons of lines
20:15
<||cw>
I've seen usb inkjets hog cpu and ram before, but an i7 should handle that
20:15
<markit>
E [17/Apr/2012:11:34:49 +0200] [Job 1726] Unable to queue job for destination "ipp://gnuserver/printers/HP-Color-LaserJet-CM2320nf-MFP"!
20:15
<||cw>
usb comms flipping out is another story though
20:16
hm, ipp is tcp/ip, not usb
20:16
<markit>
well, it's connected with usb for sure
20:16
<||cw>
so this is a thin client printing from a localapp?
20:17
<markit>
"DEVICE_URI=hp:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM2320nf_MFP?serial=00CNFTB3PJL5"
20:17
||cw: no, thin client printing from a "normal" app, impress that runs on the server
20:17
<||cw>
if it has ethernet, you are better off using it instead
20:18
that should not be printing using ipp, when its config'd for usb
20:19
ethernet is faster than usb in reality, and that printer is big enough that it'll suck in most jobs to its interal queue over the lan. not sure the same would be true on usb
20:20
<markit>
I had not spare cable to connect with the switch, but now the situation has improved and I could try
20:21
btw, often printers go "off line" due to a simple problem (i.e. out of paper) and you have to manually put online
20:21
with HP control tray icon
20:21
but if you don't have it, you have to use cups web interface
20:21
is it possible to configure them not to go "on hold"
20:21
or whatever that state is called?
20:21
<||cw>
huh, I haven't see that, but I don't think I have any usb connected lasers
20:22
<markit>
is very very annoying
20:22
<||cw>
normally you just push the green button on the printer's panel and it starts up again
20:25
<markit>
if I press it, it (my father's one) switches off :)
20:31
<||cw>
o_O wrong green button?
20:40
<markit>
:)
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<talntid>
whats the largest deployment of LTSP known to be in existance?
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23:14
<vagrantc>
talntid: on a single server? or a wide-scale deployment of LTSP?
23:14
<talntid>
single server
23:14
I have found a few with 5000+ on wide scale
23:16
<vagrantc>
wow.
23:18
<talntid>
yeah, my thoughts exactly
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<vagrantc>
i seem to recall some very large deployments in brazil a wwhile back, not sure if those are still kicking
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<vagrantc>
in extremadura, there were somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 servers server 16-32 seats each.
23:20
<talntid>
wow!
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23:58
<talntid>
I have a single server with 36 users as of today...
23:58
I wonder how many I'll be able to run on it