IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 January 2013   (all times are UTC)

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<ltspuser_26>
hi eveeyone
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07:00* ball waves
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10:32
<knipwim>
Phantomas: when installing epoptes from source, using the setup.py, can i install the server separate from the client and vice versa?
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11:05
<markit>
hi knipwim :)
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11:07
<knipwim>
hey markit
11:07
having a good weekend?
11:07
<markit>
more or less... I planned to do a LOT of stuff, but was able to acomplish only.. 1% ;P
11:07
what about you?
11:08
knipwim: what distro do you use that does not have epoptes packaged?
11:08
<knipwim>
easy going, have cleaned up a lot of old files mostly
11:08
but ltsp stuff
11:08
erm, s/but/bit/
11:09
Gentoo
11:14
Phantomas: when installing epoptes from source, using the setup.py, can i install the server separate from the client and vice versa?
11:34
<Phantomas>
hey knipwim
11:35
Uhm, we don't have a proper setup.py yet :(
11:37
(sorry for my late answer)
11:43
knipwim: Aren't you the epoptes packager for Gentoo? Do you have any issues? I'll be glad to make a proper setup.py (at last) if it is a problem.
11:46
patches are welcome too :)
12:00
<markit>
hi Phantomas :)
12:27
<Phantomas>
hey markit!
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12:43
<markit>
Phantomas: any udated/reliable roadmap for Epoptes? I've asked alkisg about block clients web navigation... easy to do once you can add custom actions to epoptes (name, description, code to execute, i.e. run a script or run a iptables rule)
12:46
<knipwim>
Phantomas: i want to be able to build a separate client package and server package
12:46
i'm not really familiar with distutils, but can you specify make-like build targets
12:47
for example, python setup.py install client
12:47
installing only the epoptes-client stuff
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13:02
<Phantomas>
markit: yes, internet blocking is in the plans, I can't tell you ETA though.
13:04
<knipwim>
Phantomas: i think i found a way, not use the distutils for the client part at all
13:04
and patch the client part from the setup.py before installing the server part
13:05
<Phantomas>
knipwim: I'm not very familiar with distutils either, maybe a second setup.py for the client would be a good idea
13:05
knipwim: good!
13:09
markit: The features included in the next version will be student broadcasting, zoom bar for the thumbnails, better broadcasting performance on multithreaded CPUs, and a "lab health checking" tool (network speed benchmarks, clients' capabilities and others) :)
13:10
maybe we will have a mini addon system too where you could make clients execute custom scripts from the epoptes interface
13:11
<markit>
Phantomas: wow, good news, especially (for me) the "lab health checking"!!!
13:12
the custom scripts is, I think, all what is needed to expand Epoptes functionality at low level stuff
13:12
neverless I think that the "block navigation" is something really widly usefull, so should be integrated someway
13:13
wondering if can work only for fat clients...
13:13
<Phantomas>
yes it should, I don't know if it will be in the next version though :-\ We'll see!
13:15
btw brace yourself, new strings waiting for translation are coming :P (soon...)
13:15
<markit>
oh, please tell me with email, I don't go to epoptes site very often
13:15
<Phantomas>
I will
13:15
<markit>
to be sincere, should be automatically managed by the translation backend, OMHO
13:16
if something is the translator, and new translation is needed, should be notified with email
13:16
btw, what are your (you and alkisg) goals at the moment? what are you working on?
13:16
(IF you are developing, remember that your university study must have higher priority)
13:23
<Phantomas>
Alkis is focused on LTSP currently!
13:23
I am working on some of the above mentioned features and sch-scripts mainly
13:25
<markit>
ok, thanks and keep the good work. Would love that the Epoptes site will have an updated roadmap
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13:32
<Phantomas>
knipwim: You were installing both server and client with your packages before?
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<knipwim>
no
14:32
these would be the first packages
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15:36
<knipwim>
Phantomas: you have any idea what this means? ValueError: illegal provides specification: 'build-2.7.lib.epoptes'
15:45
hmm
15:45
never mind, that's a Gentoo build problem
16:01
i get the error because gentoo first does a:
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python2.7 setup.py build -b build-2.7
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followed by a:
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python2.7 setup.py build -b build-2.7 install --no-compile
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: never did get a chance to chat about the translation stuff
17:48
alkisg: but i looked over some docs on launchpad to try and figure it out for myself...
17:48
alkisg: and updated the existing translations
17:48
<alkisg>
vagrantc: Phantomas is the expert on configuring launchpad for translations
17:48* vagrantc waves to Phantomas
17:49
<alkisg>
vagrantc: you agree to moving the translations to launchpad, right?
17:49
Should launchpad commit automatically on our branch, or only on request?
17:49
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes, i think it would be a good thing to do- i haven't been able to keep up with it manually very well.
17:50
alkisg: if it doesn't happen automatically, we'll forget... so i think it should happen automatically :)
17:50
it doesn't interfere with manually updated translations, right?
17:50
<alkisg>
Sure - we just might have a few more commits than usual, e.g. check the epoptes trunk for an example
17:51
Not unless there's a conflict
17:51
<vagrantc>
well, if it commits directly, i'm hoping there wouldn't be any conflicts... i.e. it would use -trunk
17:52
<alkisg>
Suppose you have version A of a translation
17:52
A person gets that and updates it to B. It's not committed yet.
17:52
<vagrantc>
right
17:52
<alkisg>
Another person translates version A in launchpad, and immediately "commits" version C.
17:53
When the first person mails you version B and you commit it, there's a conflict there
17:53
<vagrantc>
that's only standard vcs stuff
17:54
<alkisg>
Sure, if you're going to do the merge manually, I don't see any problems
17:54
But in general I'd tell the people to upload the .po to launchpad themselves :D
17:54
<vagrantc>
sure
17:54
<alkisg>
...and if at some point we have regular translators, we can create an ltsp-translators group
17:55
And only give access to them
17:55
vagrantc: how is the .pot file updated now?
17:55* vagrantc wondered if launchpad still obliterates the comments and headers for translations
17:55
<alkisg>
With mkdist?
17:56
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i run it manually... there's a script in the ldm-trunk that i use.
17:56
(and just symlink into ltsp-trunk)
17:56
<alkisg>
Ah. Cool, let's keep doing that.
17:56
It causes less translations commits
17:56
<vagrantc>
although basically the translations end up always being one release behind.
17:57
<alkisg>
If we run that e.g. 2 months before releases, it would be pretty much ok...
17:57
<vagrantc>
it grabs it out of release.conf, so it's always whatever was previously released.
17:57
it could probably use ${version}+
17:58
<alkisg>
vagrantc: do you have time to try to do the translations configuration now?
17:58
Phantomas ^ ?
17:58
<vagrantc>
alkisg: not till tomorrow
17:59
<alkisg>
ok
17:59
<vagrantc>
or maybe ${version}+${date}
17:59
most translators also don't update those values in the .po files, in my experience...
18:01
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ah, and we should maintain the https://launchpad.net/ltsp page a bit...
18:01
licenses: I don't know yet
18:02
Series: main /ubuntu
18:02
...ubuntu?! What for?!
18:02
LTSP main series is the current focus of development
18:02
...in CVS?! :D
18:02
Etc etc
18:14
<vagrantc>
heh
18:27
<alkisg>
Meh somehow I still don't have access there
18:28
The "driver" probably isn't enough, only the "maintainer" has access
18:29
sbalneav: around? do you have access e.g. in this page? https://launchpad.net/ltsp/+edit
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19:06
<knipwim>
alkisg: i tried the configuration of the translations
19:07
mainly we have to connect a branch to a series
19:07
because translations are connected to series
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19:11
<knipwim>
and i also cannot do that, if we want to
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20:17
<alkisg>
knipwim: I'll mail jammcq and tell him to give me maintainance access to the launchpad ltsp page, so that we can clean up all of it
20:17
Series, branches, translations etc
20:22
<knipwim>
i made a topic of it for next meeting
20:22
apparently we can also make releases on a series
20:22
which you can download
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20:30
<jammcq>
hey friends
20:30
alkisg: ping
20:30
<alkisg>
Hey jammcq
20:30
<jammcq>
got your email
20:31* vagrantc waves to jammcq
20:31
<vagrantc>
jammcq: warren was looking for you the other day
20:31* alkisg was about to leave, but since everyone is here... let's do some work!
20:31* vagrantc isn't really here.
20:31
<jammcq>
vagrantc: yeah, I saw his message too late
20:31
alkisg: i'm lookin g athte +edit-people screen
20:32
do I just change the Mainter to be 'ltsp-drivers' ?
20:32
<alkisg>
Yup
20:32
I think that'll be enough
20:32
<knipwim>
alkisg: you intend to connect ltsp-trunk to the main series?
20:32
<jammcq>
alkisg: done
20:32
<alkisg>
jammcq: yup, got full access now, ty
20:33
<jammcq>
excellent
20:33
<alkisg>
knipwim: I think we should delete the main series
20:33
But let's take it slowly...
20:33
I'll start with the logo :P
20:33
<jammcq>
vagrantc: if I wanted to give Debian LTSP a try, which debian should I install?
20:33
<knipwim>
:)
20:34
alkisg: i was looking at the series for https://launchpad.net/schooltool
20:34
<alkisg>
knipwim: check also launchpad.net/epoptes
20:34
We have translations, series etc configured there
20:34* Phantomas back, hey vagrantc :)
20:34
<Phantomas>
alkisg: series would be used for translating LDM
20:35
<knipwim>
alkisg: the difference, is epoptes has actually one development branch
20:35
we have ltsp-docs. ltspfs, ldm-trunk and ltsp-trunk
20:35
following launchpad logic, these should be different project altogether
20:35
<alkisg>
Phantomas: as a hack around launchpad inefficiencies?
20:36
<vagrantc>
jammcq: debian wheezy, although there are some important bugfixes that won't get there for another 6 days or so
20:36
<Phantomas>
as a quick way to achieve what you would achieve by using different projects
20:36
<vagrantc>
jammcq: wheezy's going to release any day now- i wouldn't bother with the old stable release.
20:36
<Phantomas>
and a project group named LTSP
20:36
<knipwim>
Phantomas: what's a project group?
20:36
<jammcq>
ah cool
20:36
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ltsp license: gpl v2, right?
20:37
<jammcq>
does that mean that wheezy will become the new 'stable' ?
20:37
<Phantomas>
knipwim: eg: https://launchpad.net/mozilla
20:37
<alkisg>
We don't have anything gpl 3 etc, correct?
20:37
<vagrantc>
alkisg: either v2 or v2+ generally
20:37
<alkisg>
OK
20:37
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'd prefer v2+
20:37
<alkisg>
Not listed there
20:37
<vagrantc>
if we're setting new standards...
20:37
<alkisg>
(in launchpad)
20:37
<Hyperbyte>
Hey everyone. :)
20:37
<alkisg>
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20:37
Hi Hyperbyte
20:40
jammcq: do you have any links to the logo handy?
20:40
<knipwim>
alkisg: epoptes is mostly developed in the trunk now
20:41
alkisg: i can get the one from the wiki
20:41
<jammcq>
alkisg: hmm, I don't
20:41
<alkisg>
knipwim: the one without the ltsp text
20:41
<jammcq>
that's a logo the Diskless guys came up with
20:41
<alkisg>
We want 14x14 and 64x64, I can resize existing ones
20:41
And a 192x192 one... this one can probably have the ltsp text too
20:42
<knipwim>
ok, i'll make those
20:46
<alkisg>
knipwim: I put some quick ones, if you get better ones I'll replace them
20:48
Phantomas, knipwim: do we need a project group for ltsp, with seperate projects for ldm, ltspfs etc?
20:48
<Phantomas>
About translations, you can have multiple pot files in a branch and rosetta will recognize this and make them all available for translation. I am not sure if this is true for having multiple pot files in different branches, we should test it.
20:48
<alkisg>
Or that's stretching it too far?
20:50
<Phantomas>
for example we could translate both epoptes and epoptes-client with different POTs (they are both in the same branch)
20:50
<knipwim>
our project group is now ltsp-upstream ?
20:50
<Phantomas>
no, you don't have a project group
20:50
<knipwim>
Phantomas: i don't think multiple branches will work
20:50
so a project group doesn't control access?
20:51
<Phantomas>
your team is ltsp-upstream
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20:51
<Phantomas>
which owns the ltsp project
20:51
instead it could own the LTSP project group
20:52
which would contain ltsp ldm etc
20:52
but maybe as alkisg said that's stretching it too far
20:52
<alkisg>
stgraber, ogra_, vagrantc, knipwim, Phantomas: anyone knows why do we need an "ubuntu" series for ltsp? https://launchpad.net/ltsp/ubuntu
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20:53
<Phantomas>
different code in ubuntu branch than in trunk?
20:53
<alkisg>
Phantomas: I think someone was experimenting with launchpad... I don't think the ubuntu series is actually used
20:54
<stgraber>
alkisg: doesn't seem useful
20:54
<alkisg>
ty
20:54
Deleting...
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20:54
<Phantomas>
asked in #launchpad
20:55
about translating different branches of a project
20:55
<alkisg>
Ouch, can't delete the ubuntu series, it's linked to packages: https://launchpad.net/ltsp/+packages
20:56
Maybe because xxx-0ubuntu1 packages exist for ltsp
20:58
...the ubuntu series is used for ltsp, and the main series for ldm/ltspfs... nope, that doesn't make sense... :-/
21:01
<Phantomas>
https://translations.launchpad.net/openshot
21:01
It uses series to achieve the same thing (openshot and openshot-docs)
21:01
(the same thing as we want)
21:02
<alkisg>
Phantomas: so we'd want 3 series, one for ltsp, one for ldm, and one for ltspfs?
21:02
And maybe even one for ltsp-docs?
21:03
All those are on different branches, btw...
21:03
<Phantomas>
alkisg: yes, that's the problem :)
21:03
yep 3 series would do...
21:03
(or separate projects)
21:04
<knipwim>
i guess so too, separate series, and all are used as trunk
21:05
<alkisg>
Phantomas, knipwim: and what about the "focus of translation"?
21:05
<Phantomas>
In openshot they even use a separate branch for translations to keep their logs clean, but that wouldn't allow translating different version series, I think
21:05
<alkisg>
We don't want to only "focus on ltsp"....
21:05
<Phantomas>
alkisg: you leave it unset
21:06
<alkisg>
Phantomas: I mean, isn't this idea a hack? Wouldn't it be much cleaner to have 3 separate projects?
21:06
<Phantomas>
It is a shortcut, yes
21:07
<alkisg>
If using launchpad that way is "supported", sure, I'm in favor of maintaining less projects :D
21:07
<knipwim>
alkisg: for translations we really only need ltsp-trunk
21:07
<alkisg>
knipwim: not ldm?
21:07
<knipwim>
if we retire ldm for lightdm
21:07
then ldm is deprecated anyway
21:08
<alkisg>
You have a point there...
21:08
Agreed then, different series for now, not registering new projects
21:09
<Phantomas>
or you could merge all branches in 1 :P :P
21:09
<alkisg>
So, how about renaming "main" to "ldm", and "ubuntu" to "ltsp"?
21:09
https://launchpad.net/ltsp/+packages
21:09
(because that's how they were used up to now)
21:09
Or, ldm-trunk, and ltsp-trunk
21:10
<knipwim>
the ubuntu series isn't connected to a branch right now
21:10
<alkisg>
And neither is main, right?
21:10
<knipwim>
correct
21:11
<alkisg>
So, I'm thinking of renaming them like I said above, and then connecting them to the trunks
21:11
<knipwim>
i was just wondering how the packages are connected to code
21:11
if the series isn't connected to a branch
21:11
<alkisg>
No idea there
21:11
https://launchpad.net/ltsp/ubuntu/+ubuntupkg
21:11
<knipwim>
sure, ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk then
21:12
<alkisg>
Maybe it's just manually declared in launchpad, from the page above
21:12
Phantomas, vagrantc: do you agree with renaming "main" to "ldm", "ubuntu" to "ltsp", and linking them to their branches?
21:13
<Phantomas>
I think it would be fine.
21:14
or ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk as knipwim mentioned
21:15
(or you were talking about the branch names?)
21:15
<knipwim>
no, the series
21:16
to be clear the series are connected to trunks
21:16
<Phantomas>
yep
21:16
<knipwim>
perhaps we'll get an ltsp-dev or something
21:16
ltsp-6
21:17
<alkisg>
Done, ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk
21:18
Phantomas, knipwim: moving on to translations?
21:18
<Phantomas>
alkisg: set the development focus to ltsp-trunk
21:18
<alkisg>
Phantomas: ok, why?
21:18
Didn't you suggest we should leave it unset?
21:19
<Phantomas>
translation focus
21:19
<alkisg>
Ah
21:19
<Phantomas>
seems you can't set development focus to none :-\
21:19
<knipwim>
and our focus is on ltsp
21:19
<Phantomas>
yep
21:20
or you would get ldm-trunk when doing bzr branch lp:ltsp
21:20
<alkisg>
Done
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<Phantomas>
ok let's go to translations
21:22
<alkisg>
Phantomas, knipwim: so, I've enabled translations, what else?
21:23
no focus, no group
21:23
open policy
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<Phantomas>
You need to set the import branch and the export branch
21:23
<knipwim>
i'm guessing Import template and translation files
21:24
<alkisg>
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+translations
21:24
<Phantomas>
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+translations-settings
21:24
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+translations-settings
21:25
(You want automatic import/export right?)
21:25
<alkisg>
Right
21:25
So, like knipwim said...
21:25
<Phantomas>
ah, yes!
21:27
<alkisg>
Currently not exporting translations to a branch. Choose a target branch.
21:28
<Phantomas>
why?
21:28
<alkisg>
We don't need that, right?
21:28
If unset, it'll use our main branch... correct?
21:28
<Phantomas>
You don't want rosetta to push translations to your branch?
21:28
<alkisg>
We do, ok, all fine
21:29
<Phantomas>
I don't think it does :-\
21:29
<knipwim>
do we want it automatic the first time?
21:29
<alkisg>
Phantomas: how did we do that in epoptes?
21:29
knipwim: yes...?
21:29
Ah, in case it does stupid things?
21:30
<Phantomas>
alkisg: which one? We set the trunk branch as both the export and import branch
21:30
<knipwim>
yes
21:30
<alkisg>
Phantomas: vagrantc said we want the same thing in ltsp too
21:30
<Phantomas>
ok so set the export branch to ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk respectively
21:31
and the import branch
21:34
alkisg: You can ask a one-time import for the first time :)
21:35
"I speak england very best!" :P s/ask/request/ whatever... :)
21:36
<alkisg>
Phantomas, knipwim, vagrantc: supposedly, all is done... check for anything else and ping me!
21:37
<Phantomas>
alkisg: seems perfect :)
21:37
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+lang/el
21:37
https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+lang/el
21:37
it already imported them!
21:38* alkisg is already translating the missing greek strings... :D
21:38
<knipwim>
cool guys :)
21:39
and doing some Dutch strings :)
21:39
<Phantomas>
alkisg: uhm, you should only add a translator credits msgid
21:39
<alkisg>
Phantomas: ah, in the sources?
21:39
Phantomas: can you give me an example diff?
21:39
<Phantomas>
sure
21:40
<alkisg>
Phantomas: well, I wouldn't mind for a diff for all the .po's... :P :D
21:40
I hope pushing to the .po's won't conflict with launchpad...
21:42
<Phantomas>
alkisg: you need to include it in your POT generation scripts btw
21:42* alkisg saved a .pdf version of https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+pots/ltsp, to compare it in the future with the number/percentages of translations then...
21:43
<alkisg>
Phantomas: I'm going to head to bed, if you could file a bug report with a debdiff or something based on ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk, I'd be much obliged...
21:43
Or send me a mail
21:43
...if you don't want the launchpad karma points :P
21:43
<Phantomas>
haha
21:44
I'll be a worm in my next life :P
21:44
<alkisg>
ta ta guys
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<Phantomas>
knipwim: About the epoptes bug you reported, do you start epoptes as root?
22:16
<warren>
OK, I emailed folks about training my replacement for Fedora LTSP.
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<jammcq>
warren: hey
22:17
how's it goin?
22:17
I just saw the email
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