IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 February 2013   (all times are UTC)

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01:00
<sbalneav>
Well, I've got a vm running lightdm + libpam-sshauth. I've got it to auth, but can't seem to get it to move out of the auth phase and into session.
01:14
<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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02:22
<Enslaver>
Hmm, I'm thinking this 4.7gb compile isn't going to fit on my raspberry pi
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07:52
<ltspuser_79>
hi
07:53
<alkisg>
Hello
07:53
<ltspuser_79>
this is lalit from India
07:53
i am looking forward for implementation of terminal server on linux platform
07:53
can u plz help me in resolving my few queries?
07:53
<alkisg>
!ask
07:53
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
07:54
<ltspuser_79>
is LTSP supported on Oracle Enterprise Linux?
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07:55
<knipwim>
ltspuser_79: it's in the making, at least Redhat support
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09:05
<meamy>
Good Morning! Is LDM capable of unlocking the gnome-keyring at login ? using a gnome3 fatclient over here, the normal way would be to add 2 lines under /etc/pam.d/ldm but this file does not exist
09:07
<Hyperbyte>
Morning. :)
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09:23
<vnc786>
what are the options to control remotely fat clients from server like xrdp, ssh etc can some guide me on this ...!!
09:25
ltsp: Hyperbyte: muppis: hello everyone...
09:25
<alkisg>
!epoptes
09:25
<ltsp>
epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
09:26
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, basically, anything that can remote control Linux will work for your fat clients. xrdp, ssh, vnc, freenx, et cetera, et cetera.... you probably want epoptes though. :)
09:26
Morning Alkis. :)
09:26
<alkisg>
Heya Hyperbyte
09:26
meamy: no it's not capable to unlock the keyring
09:27
<vnc786>
i missed alkisg: name :)
09:27
<alkisg>
meamy: One of the many many reasons we want to switch to lightdm
09:27
vnc786: in general, it's not polite to write the names of people here that haven't already replied to you, because you might distract them from their work
09:28
After they reply to you, it's ok (and suggested) to use their names
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09:31
<meamy>
alkisg: arg ok thats a pity thanks
09:36
<vnc786>
i am using ubuntu 12.04 64 bit for fat clients and its working fine h/w spec for fat client 4gb RAM amd dual core but when i do normal browsing or use thunder bird client it makes me feel it is little slow i dont know it prevails with everyone
09:38
how do i check/tweak performance for fat clients...FYI i haven't define swap will that make difference(normally 4gb is not fully utilized)
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09:44
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, fat clients should perform same as regular local Linux installs. Firefox and Thunderbird are generally speaking huge resource hogs. Check what they're doing to your cpu/ram.
09:48
<vnc786>
CPU RAM normal means RAM free 3GB & cpu 0.29 avg...
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09:49
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, bandwith/disk usage?
09:50
<vnc786>
Hyperbyte: basically user profile is very new so there is no lot of mails or any application usage ...i keep eye on top which is always okay
09:50
i am having 1gig card ? i checked with iptraf
09:54
on server i m using onboard(100m/s) and LAN card (1000 m/s) but the images are going thru LAN card will this be factor
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10:19
<vnc786>
is there minimal gnome like which i can use for my current gnome which will take less graphics
10:21
currently trying gnome-core in virtual machine..
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10:33
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, gnome-session-fallback
10:34
But you could also switch to a lighter window manager, like lxde
10:34
I'm not sure if your problem is the window manager though. Firefox and Thunderbird are insanely bloated.
10:36
On my terminal server there are eight instances of Firefox running currently, each using about 20% CPU power and around 1 GB of memory
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<vnc786>
Hyperbyte: will work on lxde just to know : what u r using window manager ?
10:52
<Hyperbyte>
Gnome session fallback, but I'm using thin clients. Not sure if I'd make the same choice for fat clients.
10:55
<vnc786>
i m using default gnome of ubuntu 12.04 i havent customized because user are used-to gnome look ...any way will work on that will let u know the result by the way
10:56
can u tell how do i take ssh of fat clients ??there is some thing to do with lts.conf file ...
11:01
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, I don't understand the question.
11:04
<vnc786>
i want to ssh my remote fat clients since i know ip of that machine ?
11:04
from my server
11:12
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, you'll have to enable ssh on the client just like you would on any other Linux machine.
11:15
<vnc786>
do u mean in chroot ?
11:16
if i am not wrong than i have install openssh pacakage in chroot because i checked in chroot there is not ssh in /etc/init.d/
11:18
<alkisg>
KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES=ssh in lts.conf
11:19
<vnc786>
so no need to install openssh pacakage in chroot ?
11:19
<alkisg>
You need to, yeah
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11:24
<vnc786>
just curiosity is it compulsory to put KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES=ssh in lts.conf will it not work with it ...
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12:28
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, you are using ltsp-pnp?
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12:44
<vnc786>
no
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12:50
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, then just enable sshd like you would on any other Linux machine.
12:52
<vnc786>
okay doing now ...
12:54
<alkisg>
!is-the-server-down?
12:54
<ltsp>
Error: "is-the-server-down?" is not a valid command.
13:04
<Hyperbyte>
!which-server?
13:04
<ltsp>
Error: "which-server?" is not a valid command.
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13:07
<alkisg>
.nah-never-mind-its-my-wifi-acting-up :)
13:07
<ltspuser_31>
Hi alkisg
13:07
I need to ask you one question
13:08
<alkisg>
Hello to you too
13:08
<ltspuser_31>
It's possible, after the terminal boots, change the lts.conf and renew all the screens?
13:08
Without rebooting the terminal?
13:10
<alkisg>
!learn ltspuser as it's better to type "/j some_nick_name" to set your own nickname, so that people here remember what you've already talked about. Use something a bit unique, e.g. john would be reserved, john123 probably wouldn't
13:10
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
13:10
<alkisg>
Also, it's better to ask in the channel than asking specific persons here, unless they know you
13:11
<ltspuser_31>
yes I know
13:11
<alkisg>
Me too :)
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13:11
<alkisg>
But I don't know anyone named ltspuser_31...
13:12
<ltspuser_31>
I've tried asking this question earlier but no one knows
13:13
<ogra_>
why isnt the web client demanding proper nicknames ?
13:14
<ltspuser_31>
I am trying to change my nickname but it's not working
13:14
<ogra_>
would make it a lot better to interact with people instead of having faceless ltspuser_# thingies
13:14
<alkisg>
!forget ltspuser
13:14
<ltsp>
Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
13:14
<alkisg>
!ltspuser
13:14
<ltsp>
ltspuser: (#1) If you're planning to join this IRC channel via web multiple times, it might be a good idea to set some username by typing e.g. "/nick john123", so that channel members can identify you and remember your use case / previous questions etc, or (#2) it's better to type "/j some_nick_name" to set your own nickname, so that people here remember what you've already talked about. Use something a bit unique, e.g. (1 more message)
13:14
<alkisg>
!forget ltspuser 2
13:14
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
13:14
<alkisg>
!ltspuser
13:14
<ltsp>
ltspuser: If you're planning to join this IRC channel via web multiple times, it might be a good idea to set some username by typing e.g. "/nick john123", so that channel members can identify you and remember your use case / previous questions etc
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13:15
<lmartins>
ok
13:15
I have changed...
13:15
can you tell me if it's possible to do what I asked?
13:16
<alkisg>
Are you the one trying to connect to a different LDM_SERVER each time?
13:16
<lmartins>
yes
13:16
<alkisg>
OK, as I said the first time...
13:16
You're trying to do it the wrong way
13:16
There's no need to reload lts.conf
13:17
If you specify LDM_SERVER=ldm_server in lts.conf,
13:17
then you can set an entry for ldm_server in /etc/hosts on the client
13:17
And change the IP for that entry upon login
13:17
You can do that with a "pressh" LDM rc.d script
13:17
At that point you know the LDM_USERNAME of the user trying to connect
13:18
So you just need a tiny script to select the correct server and write it to the client /etc/hosts as ldm_server
13:18
OK?
13:18
<lmartins>
ok
13:18
thank you
13:18
<alkisg>
/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/P*
13:18
<lmartins>
I will try to do that
13:18
<alkisg>
There will the script go
13:19
<lmartins>
ok
13:19
;)
13:19
thks
13:19
<alkisg>
You're welcome
13:21
<lmartins>
sorry for the questions...
13:21
but to know the username I need to put some script asking the username...
13:22
if I put that on pressh script it works?
13:22
<alkisg>
lmartins: the "ldm greeter" gets the username
13:22
<meamy>
!dev
13:22
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'dev', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localdev', 'RDP-localdev', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', 'ltsp-developer'
13:22
<alkisg>
And it's automatically available to pressh scripts as LDM_USERNAME
13:23
So try: "echo $LDM_USERNAME > /tmp/output" ==> you'll see the username is already there
13:23
The LDM greeter is the Username/Password prompt that LTSP clients usually have
13:23
<lmartins>
I understand that
13:23
but if I have only a rdesktop session?
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13:24
<lmartins>
I want to have a scenario where I can have a session per user and not per terminal
13:25
<alkisg>
lmartins: you just select the rdesktop backend in LDM
13:25
No difference between linux or rdesktop sessions, they both use the same user interface for the username/password
13:25
<lmartins>
and I need to provide the user to one server that is doing server balancing and this server is the one that provides the Linux or Windows IP
13:26
do you have any chroot with this feature working??
13:26
if you can provide so I can see what I need to do...
13:27
<alkisg>
I'm not using rdesktop nor load balancing, no. But it's just a matter of using a small script.
13:27
rdesktop via LDM is supported out of the box without scripts
13:27
The script will only be for selecting server per user.
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13:28
<lmartins>
yes but when I turn on the terminal I don't know wich user is going to work there
13:28
like a school
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13:28
<lmartins>
we can have a virtual machine for each student
13:28
<alkisg>
Yes, I understand
13:28
LDM will be the one that gets the username/password
13:28
THEN you'll decide what to run, rdesktop or ltsp, and to what server to connet
13:28
*connect
13:29
So all students, teachers, stuff, whatever, will use LDM, no matter if they see rdesktop/VM/linux/vnc/nx/whatever after that
13:29
<lmartins>
and the student only need to turn on the monitor, put a pen with user credentions or write his username and with that the session starts...
13:29
<alkisg>
RIght
13:29
<lmartins>
yes
13:30
<alkisg>
Indeed :)
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13:31
<lmartins>
ok
13:31
I will try this solution...
13:31
thank you
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13:42
<meamy>
mm is there somewhere a documentation how i can build my own customized ltsp packages out of a ppa (lets say i fork with bzr and want to build my own packages)
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13:51
<meamy>
or how can i build my own ltsp-client-core.deb ?
13:56
<knipwim>
you want to change something in the ltsp-client code itself? or add custom config files?
13:59
<meamy>
i want to change some of the scripts and also add some, of course i could do this by hand but i would prefer to fork the ltsp sources add my scriptes and changes and build then the packages that get installed
14:00
<Hyperbyte>
meamy, are you changing the C code, or just the shell scripts?
14:00
<meamy>
Hyperbyte: just the shell scripts
14:01
<Hyperbyte>
In that case, since those are plaintext and not compiled inside the .deb, you could just create a patchfile as well
14:01
Would be much easier I think.
14:01
Not sure how difficult it is to built .deb's.
14:02
<knipwim>
meamy: or if the scripts are generally usefull, they can be included upstream
14:03
<meamy>
Hyperbyte: jep im doing this at the moment (patches)
14:04
knipwim: fore some maybe but some are just coustomer specific
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14:10
<meamy>
but for the hole patch think its more like a hack. And to have one package that would autoinstalled with all the specific changes would be just fine (also it would be possible to merge ppa's and so on ) So for me it would be cool to get a idea of how the .debs are bulid out off the ppa's
14:13
<knipwim>
try google :)
14:13
<meamy>
Hyperbyte: bulid debs is not such a big thing (more or less a deb is just an archive ) but to do this the "offical" way without knowing the setup that it used is a bit harder
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<meamy>
knipwim: did that again build just some deps ist not the case. but for example the whole ldm part of the ltsp-client-core.deb is in a different ppa. I guess there is some where a script witch does that. i would love to get this script
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<knipwim>
is ldm also packaged in ltsp-client-core?
14:26
weird
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<meamy>
knipwim: some of the scripts in /usr/share/ldm
14:29
<knipwim>
on gentoo you would patch the sources in the package
14:29
that or create a separate branch and make a package for that
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<Hyperbyte>
meamy, I don't see why you would consider a patch file to be a "hack"
14:31
Deliver it with a nice .sh script that the user can run, where it says "You are running LTSP version X, this patch file will do Y, continue Y/N?"
14:31
Et voila.
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<meamy>
Hyperbyte: the question is more how this will be maintained and how the patches are copied to the machines (wget in case of a ppa not so nice) apt is doing all this so there is no need reinvent the wheel
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<meamy>
stgraber: Hi since you uploaded the the packages to the Ubuntu ppa maybe you can point me to a nice HOWTO or a script witch does the debpackages build for ltsp-client-core out of the ppa's ? thanks
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!
15:08
how's it going buddy?
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<sbalneav>
Not too bad. Slow but sure.
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<lmartins>
Hi
18:36
it's possible to make a live usb pen with a chroot of ubuntu 12.04?
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<jammcq>
that's not ltsp. that's just Ubuntu live on a usb stick
18:38
<lmartins>
yes...
18:38
I know...
18:38
but I want to use the chroot and the lts.conf
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<jammcq>
ltsp doesn't support that
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<lmartins>
it's possible?
18:39
ok
18:40
but it's not possible to have a live usb pen with the chroot and lts.conf and then I would change lts.conf on the image
18:40
?
18:40
<jammcq>
ltsp expects to be booted via the network
18:41
certainly it could be hacked to do other things, but that's not what it's intended to do
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<lmartins>
yes but I have a scenario with low bandwith
18:41
and I need to have the chroot local
18:41
any idea to do that??
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I know that it's not supported by ltsp
18:48* ogra_ remembers Gadi did such a thing once
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<ogra_>
but he's not around much anymore
18:50
<jammcq>
he grew up and got a real job
18:50
<ogra_>
heh
18:51
you mean he cant hang out with the jobless kids anymore ?
18:52
<jammcq>
yeah, he did join us at bts last year
18:52
told us all about how much he doesn't like his new job
18:52
<ogra_>
:(
18:53
<jammcq>
ogra_: btw, you should plan on joining us for bts. it's our 10th anniversary
18:53
<ogra_>
i'll try ...
18:54
<jammcq>
where's the next UDS ?
18:54
<ogra_>
supposed to be in oakland
18:54
CA
18:54
<jammcq>
ah, so in the fall, it prolly won't be in the US
18:54
<ogra_>
right
18:55
we'll see though
18:55
i really want to come ... i dont like to skip more than 1 year
18:55
<jammcq>
yeah
18:55
<ogra_>
even if it wouldnt be the 10th
18:55
<jammcq>
it's more fun when you are there
18:55
<ogra_>
:)
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<gvy>
lmartins, if you're severely bw limited have a look at NX (freenx)
19:03* gvy built a livecd with nxclient back then, it's not that hard in altlinux
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<knipwim>
is =~ bash specific?
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<Enslaver>
[15:56] <knipwim> [15:15:08] is =~ bash specific? --- No it works in tcsh also
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