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Channel log from 10 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, i lan to switch edubuntu to ubuntoon icons with intepid, any interest in pulling that into debian as gartoon replacement ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Ubuntoon
06:18
<Q-FUNK>
hm?
06:20
<ogra>
gartoon is pretty dead if it comes to new icons
06:20
ubuntoon joins all later developed icons into one branch
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(Gartoon Redux, GNUtoon, and lots of new stock icons)
06:21
oh, and openoffice
06:26
<Q-FUNK>
ah ok
06:26
yes, it could be fun
06:26
vagrant might want that
06:26
<ogra>
not sure about the name though but i didnt make it up :)
06:27
there will surely be rants if debian-edu starts using a theme called ubuntu*something*
06:28
<Q-FUNK>
not necessarily
06:28
the skolelinux ppl are usually fairly pragmatic about this
06:28
<ogra>
yes, but the debian ppl arent :)
06:29
<rjune>
like they matter
06:29
<ogra>
i know that the further you go down in hirarchy it gets better :)
06:29
*the better it gets :)
06:30
but there is surely some resistance on the top debian layer :)
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<generic>
would any body know how to mount local hardrive in ltsp-thin-client
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06:51
<tarzeau>
LTSP DOESN'T WORK!
06:52
<laga>
OH NO
06:52
<tarzeau>
BROKEN@!
06:52
<generic>
??
06:54
<tarzeau>
only the kiosk mode
06:54
%#!%*(^&@!(*$^
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<ogra_cmpc>
tarzeau, the ubuntu one works fine ... you couold just pull over the plugin and adjust some package names
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<tarzeau>
the problem is we have ONE user for the kiosks
06:56
and one kiosk works
06:56
but if another kiosk starts firefox, it doesn't start
06:57
i tried with -P $HOSTNAME and mkdir /some/other/home and HOME=/some/other/home firefox
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<laga>
are you using NFS?
06:58
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah, that doesnt really sound like kiosk
06:58
<tarzeau>
laga: yes
06:58
no
06:58
<laga>
are you using NFS in rw mode?
06:58
<tarzeau>
yes, but kiosk not
06:59
<laga>
have you ever tried NBD?
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, by definition you have a local temporary kiosk user on the client with a tmpfs as homedir that gets wiped on every logout ... what you are building there seems to be a standalone diskless workstation
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<laga>
ogra_cmpc: remember when we talked about adept and that it can't handle config file changes? i just got a popup asking me what i want to do with a changed file :))
07:35
<ogra_cmpc>
did we ?
07:35* ogra_cmpc cant remember discussing kde apps ... since he doesnt reallly feel qualified
07:35
<laga>
ogra_cmpc: yeah, but nothing important. never mind :)
07:35
maybe it was someone else then..
07:35
*puts down the crack pipe*
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<ByPasS>
I had problems booting thin clients (new install) so i enabled verbose booting and I can now see where it stops : right after getting ip for dhcp which works, I have Error: Connect: Connection refused
07:40
it then tries to mount directories which fails aswell
07:40
would that be related to nfs or im trying to figure connection refused doesnt tell me much :D
07:41
<ogra_cmpc>
depends what distro you use
07:41
<ByPasS>
ogra : ubuntu 8.04
07:41
<ogra_cmpc>
doesnt use nfs
07:41
how did you install ?
07:42
!ubuntu
07:42
<ltspbot`>
ogra_cmpc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
07:42
<ogra_cmpc>
see the latter link
07:43
<ByPasS>
i did that and removed usplash boot to see why it wasnt booting
07:44
<ogra_cmpc>
grep nbdroot /etc/inetd.conf
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<ogra_cmpc>
what does that return ?
07:44
<ByPasS>
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
07:44
<ogra_cmpc>
/opt/ltsp/images/i386.img exists ?
07:45
<ByPasS>
sec
07:45
yup
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<ogra_cmpc>
hmm
07:45
then it should mount
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<ByPasS>
8.04 works fine or i should stick with 7 (ubuntu)
07:46
<ogra_cmpc>
8.04 works fine
07:47
did you create an lts.conf file that could cause any issues ?
07:48
<ByPasS>
no well let me recheck but id ont think
07:49
<ogra_cmpc>
did you create an lts.conf at all ? (you shouldnt ... only if you have issues to work around them)
07:50
<ByPasS>
the only thing i have in etc is /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
07:50
<Rucal>
ogra_cmpc,i have a problem with my laptop running thin client,it's resolution only can be 800*600,i have try config the lts.conf,with XSERVER mode,but can't change to 1024*768,do you have an idea?
07:51
<ogra_cmpc>
Rucal, what graphics card ?
07:51
<Rucal>
ogra_cmpc ,trident
07:51
<ogra_cmpc>
(and which XSERVER setting did you try with it ?)
07:52
hmm, i got a trident here that works fine out of the box, what kind of monitor do you have attached
07:52
<Rucal>
ogra_cmpc ,i have try vesa,and trident,it's work,and can change the resolution to 640*480,lts.conf is work
07:52
LCD 1024*768 13.3inch
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<ogra_cmpc>
you couold try setting X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH with the values of the monitor handbook
07:53
note that you need to set them both to take effect
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<Rucal>
got it
07:54
lap top,use Trident CyberBlade XP Ai1,i have google it,i think it's problem to me
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: could you PLEASE reply to my e-mail now? this misplaced parcel thing has been dragging on long enough and the customs are getting impatient.
09:05
<warren>
Q-FUNK: I've been traveling until late yesterday
09:05
Q-FUNK: I sent a bunch of e-mails early last week
09:05* warren checks
09:06
<warren>
Q-FUNK: late the previous week you told me it was up to us (the sender) to clarify the shipment for customs? I told our people to do that. I'm checking if they did so no.w
09:07
<Q-FUNK>
warren: I told you to put them in touch with Krsti, so that this wouldn't be dependant on yourself haivng time to personally followup on this.
09:08
<warren>
your e-mail from 5/29 didn't mention putting them in touch with Kristi
09:08
your mail from yesterday did
09:08
5/29 you said it was up to *us* to clear it up with Fedex.
09:08
<Q-FUNK>
right now, the description of the package that was sent to us doesn't match anything we were expecting from you. we're unable to accept delivery becuase of this and customs are uable to process it because of that too.
09:09
<warren>
right
09:09
hold a sec, i'm making a call
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<Q-FUNK>
we were expecting a small box with a description along the lines of "returned defective merchandise. country of origin: estonia" we got notification of something completely different.
09:13
<warren>
Q-FUNK: somehow it was handed off and rewrote by one of our shipping agents to the current non-sense
09:14
Q-FUNK: According to our shipping agent, they called fedex and they said "customs has no issue with it" meaning customs does not expect payment.
09:14
<Q-FUNK>
warren: sounds like a good time to incur all costs of this mess to his paycheck.
09:14
<warren>
Q-FUNK: are you saying we still have to update the description with fedex?
09:14
<Q-FUNK>
oh, but they DO have issues, on our side.
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: ok, I'll follow up and CC you and Kristi
09:16
<Q-FUNK>
warren: good. Kristi is online right now. can you reply now? she'll be able to tell you what we need to fix this.
09:17
warren: apparently, the package description is a complete mismatch for the content.
09:17
<warren>
I am aware of that.
09:17
I'm trying to get this fixed.
09:18
<fsgaston>
Does anybody have a script to autologin a user based on machine hostname?
09:19
<Q-FUNK>
the main issue is that the decription mentions a qunatity of 5 units of something, but the box evidently contains a single silverish item.
09:20
warren: Kristi pointed out that not just the weight, but also the quantty, is entirely wrong
09:20
<warren>
Q-FUNK: what weight was written on the item?
09:21
<Q-FUNK>
warren: please us email. Kristi knows. I don't. besides, we all need a paper trail.
09:23
warren: the quicker emails starts flowing between Kristi and RH, the quicker we can solve this.
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: mail sent
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<Blinny>
Yea. FF3
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<cdealer>
hi!
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<cdealer>
What I must do when I receive an error saying: "This workstation isn't authorized to login" ? (I have already done ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-sshkeys)
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<x86>
cdealer: sounds like an XDM setting
13:44
Xauth?
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<cdealer>
x86, Xauth ? how could be ?
13:49
<johnny>
it's ltsp-update-sshkeys
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and then ltsp-update-image
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not the reverse
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<cdealer>
johnny, I changed ltspfsmount adding -X and then the client wasnt login, but this was to try to fix the pen-drive notmounting problem... any better solution ?
13:54
<johnny>
that's totally seperate from your original question
13:54
focus on that first
13:54
i have no idea about that atm
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<cdealer>
johnny, yeah, but the user not log in I have fixed taking off the -X option from ltspfsmount
13:56
<johnny>
and this is with hardy?
13:56
you should't have to modify anything with hardy
13:57
<cdealer>
johnny, isnt hardy.. is 7.10 ...
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<johnny>
you should upgrade
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<cdealer>
johnny, unfortunately the application used but our users wasnt working the way it should on hardy's ltsp
13:59
s/but/for
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<johnny>
perhaps you should work on fixing that
14:01
since gutsy is already on the way out
14:01
inteprid is alreadly in devel
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gutsy will be forgotten in the next few months ;)
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<cdealer>
johnny, well... oracle have homologate they ias application only to work with a very old java release (1.4.0.6) and in hardy when the application applet start it goes to slow and its terrible to users to work... so we back to 7.10
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<johnny>
you're going to run out of support help then
14:07
since the issues of the past will be slowly forgotten by he new crop of helpers
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the8
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the*
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one intrepid comes out, you'll be two releases behind, and nobody who has the time to answer, will remember
14:08
and the issues won't just be with ltsp being behind.. but every other bit of software that has already moved on
14:09
:(
14:09
cdealer, if you spent all the money with oracle.. maybe you better purchase some support :(
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<cdealer>
johnny, our hope is on a next ltsp release this strange issue to be fixed... about the support, we have all the support of oracle and more the 15 DBAs working building the system, oracle is "studing" the possibility of homologate a newer java version ...
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<johnny>
the issue doesn't sound like it is with ltsp at all tho?
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<cdealer>
johnny, I think its a combination of old java with ltsp... but on 7.04 and 7.10 there are no issue, the system goes as it must go, on 8.04 the server can run the application like its suppose but the client dont have the same hability
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<cdealer>
its strange... the first reason of the upgrade was some issues we were having with evince, those were fixed on 8.04 but on problem goes out one come in ... =/
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<johnny>
yep.. happens sometimes
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<cdealer>
yeah ... unfortunately
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<laga>
maybe it's possible to downgrade to an older version of java? if that is the problem
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<cdealer>
the application only works with 1.4.0.6... on windows they have a plugin called jinit, its a kind of java from oracle
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<fsgaston>
Does anybody have some good hardware specs for LTSP setup?
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<rjune>
you want something that will tell you what hardware to get for x users?
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<fsgaston>
rjune, yes do you know of a site?
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<rjune>
used to be one on the LTSP site
14:27
rough estimate was 50MB RAM / user and 100MB space / user
14:27
CPU is harder to work with
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generally 4 1Ghz cores will be better then 1 4Ghz core
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<fsgaston>
rjune - Okay, I'm looking at 64 bit
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<rjune>
so you'll need more ram
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<fsgaston>
rjune - what about Hard drives
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<rjune>
anymore, I would say 100MB RAM /user
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14:29* rjune shrugs depends on your usage.
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<rjune>
brb
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<stgraber>
IIRC we usually say 128MB/user + 256MB for the system (for Ubuntu, but probably similar for others)
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<fsgaston>
Can you get by with SATA drives or do you need something faster
14:30
I guess do you need SCSI
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<johnny>
doubtful..
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<rjune>
SATA is ok, but you want RAID if you care about your data
14:31
<johnny>
cpu and ram are more concerns
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<stgraber>
I'd say that when you need faster HDD it's time to have your user accounts on another server connected to a SAN or something similar
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<rjune>
ram mostly
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<stgraber>
until then SATA will be fine
14:32
<fsgaston>
stgraber - we are looking at 360 machines at a time
14:32
12 rooms of 30
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<stgraber>
ouch
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<fsgaston>
We were thing of doing one server per room
14:33
What would people recommend for 360 machines
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<stgraber>
yes, for that kind of setup I would go with either a server for each room or something like Millexterm with a cluster of terminal server, a load balancer
14:33
and separate user accounts/authentication
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<fsgaston>
stgraber, what is the easiest authentication setup, we were thinking LTSP
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<rjune>
I'm guessing you don't want to put 360 terminals on one system
14:33
<fsgaston>
LDAP
14:33
<stgraber>
LDAP
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<rjune>
that would be 46GB RAM
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<fsgaston>
Which OS is the easiest for a school to setup LTSP, K12ltsp or Edubuntu
14:34
<rjune>
LOL
14:34
you're trying to start a flam ware.
14:34
<laga>
yay, flame wars
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<fsgaston>
rjune - non no, put down the gas
14:35* laga hands out asbestos underwar
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<rjune>
I think ubuntu is furthest along in LTSP integration
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ubuntu also has some nice web based LDAP management tools
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but if you have to deal with novell, it has an ldap server already, and I think ms does too
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<fsgaston>
We are struggling in the best way to setup the 12 rooms
14:36
<rjune>
This over in Indy?
14:36
<Nubae>
ubuntu's ldap server works great, but is not automatic
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<fsgaston>
rune - Hagerstown
14:36
<johnny>
hagerstown ?
14:36
<Nubae>
lots of setup stuff doesn't work out of the box
14:36
<johnny>
which one?
14:36
<fsgaston>
johnny - Hagerstown Indiana
14:36
<rjune>
johnny: IN
14:36
<johnny>
oh
14:37
there is one in maryland..
14:37
<rjune>
johnny: I know fsgaston a bit, we live in the same state and have at least one mutual friend
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<stgraber>
fsgaston: is that the whole school moving to LTSP ? how many user accounts ?
14:37
<fsgaston>
I appreciate all of the help, Rjune, what do you charge to help us setup ltsp
14:37
<rjune>
I can't right now. I'm already working ~80 hours/week
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aka, I'm tapped out.
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<fsgaston>
rjune, do you know somebody you would recommend
14:38
<rjune>
not in state
14:38
<fsgaston>
What about ohio
14:38
<rjune>
Lumen software out of Missouri used to be in LTSP big
14:39
<Nubae>
most stuff can be done remotely anyway
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<rjune>
fsgaston what is the existing infrastructure you're trying to integrate with?
14:39
<stgraber>
fsgaston: you may want to contact RevolutionLinux, they are doing mass deployment in Quebec and are the guys behind Millexterm (LTSP clustering). I know they are also working with some U.S schools or will soon.
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<fsgaston>
stgraber, thanks a bunch, I will give them a call.
14:40
Thanks everyone, need to run
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talk to you later rjune
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<Nubae>
nice, ltsp is getting commercial demand...
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<rjune>
fsgaston2: good luck
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<majikins>
hi we are looking to run ltsp 5 on 64 bit system(to address more than 4 gig ram) and firefox with all extensions locally - however is there a method to run 32 bit firefox with flash extensions?
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<johnny>
don't bother..
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use nspluginwrapper
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that way you can use 32bit flash
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but 64bit firefox
15:37* johnny has to run tho
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<x86>
or just forget 64bit linux and use 32bit linux with PAE to address the memory above 4gb
16:14
which is the most proven solution
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<lns>
I would agree with x86 - there are other issues with 64-bit installs, and 32-bit w/server kernel seems much more stable at my sites
17:54
It's just used much more so bugs are squashed much faster
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<gbolte>
yeah we use pae as well
17:56
8GB ram running 32bit pae
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<lns>
according to ogra (long time ago talk) there is a semi-large performance hit for PAE (somewhere around 10-15%) but it is still preferred by many over native 64-bit server afaik
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<gbolte>
yeah
18:04
well that and I think when you use pae no 1 application can have more than 4 gb
18:04
but we have never needed that
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<lns>
heh..yeah, i wouldn't think any one app would need more than 4gb..depends on the install-base though
18:06
<gbolte>
yeah we have a windows box here running 64bit windows and it has to have 64bit because it is used to run solidworks which can easily eat 4GB to itself
18:07
<lns>
yikes
18:08
<gbolte>
well its a cad type software that is used to also create very complex thermal dynamic models and flow models
18:08
so its to be expected
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<lns>
true
18:10
i'm assuming that's not running over ltsp or term svcs ;)
18:10
<gbolte>
no thats a dedicated windows XP 64 client
18:12
<lns>
Any of you guys do remote VNC to Hardy boxes?
18:13
I've been having the weirdest issue as soon as I upgrade a server to Hardy, under a VNC login the Gnome theme constantly changes from one to the other
18:13
<gbolte>
lol
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<lns>
window borders, menus, fonts, etc. are constantly cycling back and forth between human and some other one (crux?)
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<gbolte>
strange
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<lns>
yeah
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I think it's related to an error i get regarding gnome-settings-daemon
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<gbolte>
most likely
18:15
maybe dbus as well?
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<lns>
no clue :( i have to dig a bit deeper - but it's happened on 3 completely different servers so far after a gutsy->hardy upgrade
18:17
local logins are fine
18:17
as are regular ltsp logins
18:17
afaik
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<Nubae>
and italc works?
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<lns>
Nubae, haven't tried it
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<Nubae>
since it requires vnc too, but its just port local port based not real remote
18:18
<lns>
i'm using a semi-custom gdm/vnc/ssh solution
18:19
using vnc4server
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<Nubae>
well, I get the same error with my fat clients... gdm switches on and off till it finally lands on a theme
18:19
<lns>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569451
18:20
<Nubae>
but thats gdm...
18:20
<lns>
Nubae, at the login screen it switches themes?
18:20
<Nubae>
yep
18:21
well, first it just cycles to terminal 3 or 4 times
18:21
<lns>
that sounds similar to my issue since i'm using vnc4server to login to a newly spawned gdm session
18:21
<Nubae>
and it was working perfectly with gutsy
18:21
<lns>
yeah me too
18:21
<Nubae>
I've been with that error for weeks now
18:21
<lns>
hmmmmm
18:21
<Nubae>
thinking its my setup somewhere...
18:22
<lns>
Nubae, did you replace all of your gdm config during upgrade?
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<Nubae>
sometimes it doesnt login at all, and throws me to terminal with (gdm has started multiple times and will now wait) or something like that
18:22
built a new chroot
18:22
well, several :-)
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<lns>
what's also weird (maybe not related) but I just got done installing a *new* Hardy LTSP server today, and at GDM login, everything looked fine, but username/password font was INSANELY HUGE (couldn't see but the very bottom of letters typed) - but the gfx/etc looked fine
18:24
no other issues logging in either..just crazy big font on username/pw field
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<Nubae>
hmmm sounds like hardy is posessed :-)
18:24
<lns>
i'm thinking there's something funky w/GDM in hardy
18:25
haha...i agree
18:25
<Q-FUNK>
lns: hey there! did the test succeed?
18:25
<Nubae>
well sure would explain a lot...
18:25
<lns>
Q-FUNK, dude i still haven't heard back from them :(
18:25
I'm going out that way in a couple of days, will probably stop by if i haven't heard back
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
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<Stax>
wish i could get this old dell with intel810 / broadcom to pxe and tftpd boot :(
18:27
<lns>
Stax, that sounds like a pretty basic h/w config..what's the specific issue?
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<Stax>
it recieves the dhcp info, starts to boot
18:27
then just stops
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<lns>
Stax, stops where exactly?
18:29
<Stax>
sorry just had to boot it up again
18:29
stops after running the nfs-top script
18:30
last line is IP-Config: eth0 hardware addres : macofservereth0
18:31
i can see just above it it loaded the 3com/broadcom driver for the onboard ethernet card
18:31
i can boot a microsoft virtual pc and it works fine
18:31
<lns>
Stax, I might be way off but maybe it's not loading the correct eth driver?
18:31
<Stax>
hmm maybe
18:33
<lns>
I've used broadcom cards to pxe before, they seem to take a while to get a dhcp addy...that's all i remember
18:33
<Stax>
looks like its a broadcom 9504
18:33
yeah it does take a moment longer than other pxe
18:33
<lns>
yeah
18:33
<Stax>
is there a guide to installing a ndiswrapper into the boot image or something i can read up on ?
18:34
<lns>
eewwww ;)
18:34
not sure
18:34
but that'd be tricky (i would think anyway) to balance that kind of thing.. personally i'd rather use a different nic if possible before going that route
18:35
but that's just me
18:35
<Stax>
wow, type.. its a broadcom 5904
18:35
ahh its onboard , and this is a perfect test pc :(
18:37
<lns>
well it could be something easy (maybe not even related to nic driver).. i use pretty specific hardware so i can't comment on that too deeply
18:41
<Stax>
ahh its loading the correct driver
18:41
:S
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<lns>
so not the nic drv causing issues?
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<Stax>
can you run both rpl and pxe at the same time? :/
18:47
<lns>
depends on the chipset i would think...i've only seen one or the other
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<TonWibier>
Good morning/afternoon/evening!
19:04
<gbolte>
lol
19:05
night?
19:05
<TonWibier>
Yep!
19:05
Forgot night. Sorry.
19:05
<gbolte>
:P
19:05
<TonWibier>
Are you the only one awake?
19:05
<gbolte>
evening for me though
19:05
<TonWibier>
;(
19:05
<gbolte>
na
19:05
there must be more people here
19:05
its only 5PM here
19:06
:P
19:06
<Stax>
10am here
19:06
:>
19:06
<TonWibier>
65 should be the total.
19:06
2 am here.
19:06
Can I ask you people a question?
19:06
May I.
19:06
I mean.
19:06
<gbolte>
Stax, you in Australia?
19:06
sure
19:06
why not
19:06
:P
19:07
<TonWibier>
G'day mate
19:07
Netherlands over here.
19:07
US for you gbolte?
19:07
<gbolte>
west coast yes
19:07
<TonWibier>
LA area?
19:07
<gbolte>
Redmond WA actually
19:07
:P
19:08
<lns>
gbolte, you're stepping on eggshells over there! =p
19:08
<gbolte>
indeed
19:08
<TonWibier>
Ok, you can't help it. ;-)
19:08
<lns>
TonWibier, what's the Q?
19:08
<gbolte>
hehe I work at a small chemical company
19:09
<TonWibier>
Morning Ins.
19:09
<gbolte>
cant help the fact that we are so close to the evil giant
19:09
:D
19:09
<lns>
;)
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<TonWibier>
I would like to know whether LTSP is a good alternative for citrix or not.
19:09
<lns>
TonWibier, not really the same thing
19:09
but yes. ;)
19:09
<TonWibier>
??
19:10
<lns>
AFAIK citrix hosts selected applications, correct?
19:10
not an entire OS
19:10
<TonWibier>
Sorry, I'm not used to the abbreviation AFAIK (yet).
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<lns>
LTSP boots a 'true' thin-client via PXE and downloads a minimal OS on a RAM disk.
19:11
And connects to a server for a graphical/other session, whether Windows, Linux, etc.
19:11
TonWibier, afaik = as far as i know
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<TonWibier>
And yes, I would like to setup some sort of an Open Source Citrix equivalent (server) and would like computers from the outside to connect to the server. Is this possible?
19:12
Thanks.
19:12
<lns>
TonWibier, from the "Outside" as in over a WAN?
19:12
<TonWibier>
Correct.
19:12
<lns>
I don't think that'd be advisable with LTSP
19:12
I haven't tried it myself but I think it would be too slow
19:13
<TonWibier>
That's a pitty. Why? Because of X
19:13
<lns>
TonWibier, just because of the nature of LTSP
19:13
you'd probably want something more like VNC or ..ugh what's it called
19:13
argh
19:13
<TonWibier>
Is there any other software available, to your knowledge?
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<lns>
well
19:14
do you want to run windows apps or linux apps?
19:14
(FreeNX is what i was thinking)
19:14
<TonWibier>
I would like to use Windows applications, that run on a virtual machine (VMWare) under Linux.
19:15
Through LTSP I would like people from the "outside" to connect to the application.
19:15
<lns>
so the end result is hosted windows applications to wan clients also running windows .. ?
19:15
<TonWibier>
That could be possible, yes.
19:15
<lns>
yeah - LTSP is more of a full-blown solution for thin-clients
19:16
I'm not sure about any OSS solutions for hosting windows apps
19:16
<TonWibier>
Ins, but you think LTSP might be too slow?
19:16
<lns>
TonWibier, Lns btw ;) but LTSP just doesn't seem like a fitting solution for what you need
19:17* lns should change his nick to Lns
19:17
<TonWibier>
But it would be suitable if Linux applications were to be run?
19:17
<lns>
not really...not over a WAN
19:17
it's hard enough over wifi
19:18
but especially if your WAN clients already have an OS
19:18
it would be pointless to have to reboot into LTSP just to run single applications when you have things like citrix/vnc/rdp
19:18
<TonWibier>
Well, speed is important. So, I think LTSP is not the answer.
19:19
<lns>
TonWibier, try checking out NX or FreeNX
19:19
that might give you what you want
19:19
<TonWibier>
RDP of VNC were the other options.
19:19
Ins, thanks. I will check these things out. I've written it down.
19:19
<lns>
np TonMibier
19:20
;)
19:20
<TonWibier>
Ins, thanks for your time and have a nice evening, while it's still young.
19:20
:)
19:20
<lns>
Thanks - you too
19:20
heh
19:20
<TonWibier>
<grin>
19:20* lns really does need to change his nick
19:21
<Stax>
i keep thinking "insert"
19:21
lol
19:21
<lns>
I think that's what everyone thinks heh
19:22
are registered nicks case sensitive?
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<Lns>
blah
19:25
oh
19:25
there we go ;)
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<Stax>
heh found the problem
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<Stax>
i should have thought about it sooner
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<Stax>
the machine had two cards in it, for some reason, after getting the boot img it would try connecting to the server using the wrong card :/
19:33
took out other card, works fine :>
19:35
<Lns>
aahh
19:35
there ya go
19:36* Lns hasn't seen so many old-school emoticons^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsmilies since the BBS days
19:36
<Lns>
:> was my fav... as was >grin<
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<Stax>
haha
19:40
im only 26, there is very faint memories of bbs, but dial-up internet took over quickly
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<Lns>
26 isn't bad, I'm 28 - good times
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<Stax>
=]
19:55
hmm
19:55
so whats the steps to installing/removing and controlling software for clients that are connecting
19:55* Stax looks for a guid
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<RiXtEr>
Hello all
21:31
rjune: you around?
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<joebaker>
Hi - Struggling here with tftpd not working right in an upgraded Edubuntu 8.04 system.
21:57
I am trying to switch over to atftpd instead of tftpd-hpa but this causes ltsp-server to be slated to be un-installed.
21:58
<Stax>
is that when you apt-get remove tftpd-hpa ?
21:58
<joebaker>
Yes.
21:59
The dependancy is named explicitly instead of a virtual dependancy on the tftpd class of programs.
22:01
will try ... dpkg -i --force-all atftpd.deb
22:17
That did NOT work as I thought it might.
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<johnny>
joebaker, maybe it's something in /etc/alternatives ?
22:45
<joebaker>
Good idea johnny. Thanks. I'll check that.
22:47
There is no in.tftpd or tftpd in the /etc/alternatives directory.
22:47
<johnny>
hmm.. that's lame then
22:48
:(
22:48
you'd have to ask one of the ubuntu devs about that one
23:01
<joebaker>
thanks. Meanwhile this LTSP server is dead in the water.
23:01
Not that many use it.
23:01
It is in a lab.
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<Stax>
whats the problem with tftpd-hpa
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<joebaker>
It does not respond to tftp requests.
23:12
I have ufw disabled.
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<johnny>
any errors?
23:19
<joebaker>
Nothing shows up on the logs of the ubuntu box. The thin client...
23:20
<johnny>
try it yourself
23:20
from the server
23:20
does it respond to requests then?
23:20
<joebaker>
Reports: Client MAC ADDR: 00 03 47 E9 C* F9 GUID: 39E5c43d-3c69-11d6-80a9-00e01825d124
23:20
<johnny>
if so.. try it on another machine
23:20
non thin client
23:20
<joebaker>
client ip: 192.168.1.194 mask 255.255.255.0 dhcp ip: 192.168.1.63
23:21
gateway ip: 192.168.1.254
23:21
Pxe-e32: tftp open timeout
23:21
repeated 3x
23:21
<johnny>
sure.. try it from another mchine .. it might give more info
23:21
<joebaker>
pxe-M0f: exiting intel PXE ROM.
23:21
<johnny>
the pxe client output is limited
23:21
<joebaker>
Boot failure: system halted.
23:21
I have watched the transaction using Wireshark.
23:22
It makes the TFTP request, but nothing comes back.
23:22
<johnny>
so you know how to use wireshark.. that's good :)
23:22
as i said.. try another machine
23:22
non pxe boot
23:22
<joebaker>
It is as if tftpd is not even running. If I do a nmap scan of the server tftpd is not shown.
23:23
<johnny>
is it in /etc/inetd.conf ?
23:23
it gets loaded on demand via inetd
23:23
<joebaker>
yes. is is in /etc/inetd.conf.
23:23
My laptop is going to die. Switching IRC client ... Please wait for a moment
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<joebaker>
Now where were we?
23:28
Oh, yes, nmap 192.168.1.63 does not show the tftpd service running (maybe I have to specify udp)
23:29
Actually, it does show up if I scan using
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nmap 192.168.1.63 -sU
23:30
<johnny>
so.. you gonna actually try to fetch the file from another computer or what?
23:30
that's where we were :)
23:36
<joebaker>
Sorry.
23:37
I tried retriving the kernel from my laptop
23:37
using ...
23:37
tftp 192.168.1.63
23:37
get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
23:37
Then it timed out.
23:37
<johnny>
:(
23:38
hmm.. never seen that one :(
23:39
<joebaker>
maybe I could just replace the in.tftpd binary with the one from the atftpd package.
23:39
<johnny>
hmm...
23:40
with that kinda problem, will a new daemon really fix it?
23:40
as that configuration you have, works for many other people
23:40
<joebaker>
I was able to get atftpd to at least serve up the initial boot kernel to the PXE client.
23:40
<johnny>
hmm
23:40
<joebaker>
My system is an upgrade of an upgrade of a once time Kubuntu box.
23:40
<johnny>
hmm.. too much magic..
23:41
<joebaker>
heck I was seeing a Kubuntu splash screen on the thin client.
23:41
<johnny>
aha.. your system is in a possibly inconistant state :(
23:41
<joebaker>
So I un-installed ltsp-server and deleted /opt/ltsp
23:41
and re-installed ltsp-server and ran the ltsp-build-client
23:41
<johnny>
well you should always build a new client on an upgrade
23:41
<joebaker>
I learned that.
23:42
but do appreciate the comments.
23:43
<johnny>
maybe you should delete the tftp line
23:43
and then reinstall the tftp.in
23:44
or whatever apt command you use to redo the config
23:44
<joebaker>
I am extracting the binary out of the package atftpd.
23:45
Apt is hosed in this regard. tftpd-hpa is a direct dependancy of ltsp-server.
23:46
A friend looked at the Debian system and their SID package of ltsp-server at least uses a virtual package dependancy of either tftpd-hpa or atftpd
23:46
I have started a bug report of tftpd-hpa.
23:48
It works now replacing the binary johnny!
23:49
But I have the Kubuntu splash screen on the thin client.
23:49
And Kubuntu login screen also. So very wierd!
23:49
Still I am very happy.
23:50
<johnny>
it could have been a bad line in /etc/inetd.conf
23:50
thus the suggestion to make it reconfigure itself
23:52
<joebaker>
The line in inetd.conf is what is invoking the atftpd binary.
23:53
<Stax>
\o/ yay
23:53
<joebaker>
Now there is something odd happening with the login screen.
23:55
"Verifying password, please wait..." And allows password box to accept a new password.
23:55
<Stax>
0_o
23:55
try a different user mabe :S
23:56
<joebaker>
Maybe I need to reboot. I will do so in one minute disconnecting my session to #ltsp.
23:57
will try another user first before the reboot. Logging out of my "joebaker" session on the server itself.
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