IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 January 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:07
<nikok>
i have a crappy "planet" usb print server, and just wondering do i need it at all...
00:36
<johnny>
it is possible that it would just work
00:37
but it can definitely be made to work
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04:00
<jsoyer>
hi
04:01
anyone using ltsp with ldap and pam mount ? i have some problem under Ubuntu feisty when i try to unmount automaticaly share at logout
04:02
anyone can help me please ?
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06:50
<misui>
กดห
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07:15
<cdealer__>
good morning all
07:15
ogra: how can I set ltsp to mount pen-drive with suporte for utf8 file names ?
07:25
when I open my pen-drive on the server or other local machine any word witch special characters are displayed normal but on the clients every special character becames some strange letter...
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09:13
<uranellus2>
hey, how do I switch the keyboard layout to 'de' for a german keyboard on ltsp5 with ldm
09:13
I've added XBDLayout de but that doesnt work
09:14
<Gadi>
make it all caps
09:14
XKBDLAYOUT
09:14
er
09:14
XKBLAYOUT
09:14
(no 'D')
09:19
<kyron>
uranellus2, I have a similar problem :( Gadi now how do I do it so kxkb still can be used?
09:20
in other words: using the ubuntu 6.10 i386 "image", how to I get the keyboard layout to work?
09:21
<Gadi>
XKBLAYOUT = de
09:21
in lts.conf
09:22
you may need: XKBVARIANT = nodeadkeys
09:22
(from what ogra tells me)
09:23
and, kyron, do you mean 7.10?
09:23
or are you using edgy?
09:23
<kyron>
Gadi, sorry, no, I did mean the 6.x series
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09:23
<Gadi>
ah, well are you using ltsp5 or ltsp4?
09:24
<kyron>
ltsp5
09:24
<Gadi>
that will be a very old version of ltsp5, then
09:24
I would suggest you upgrade the server
09:24* uranellus2 as well
09:24
<Gadi>
or grab a gutsy tarball for the chroot
09:25
<kyron>
geez, I really am being vague huh ;) I "upgraded" on a whim yesterday to LTSP5 after being frustrated that ltspadmin wouldn't find the 4.2 tree...and though it would be time I "evolve" into the next generation ;)
09:25
<Gadi>
well, building ltsp5 on an edgy or dapper server will produce a very old chroot
09:25
<kyron>
loather-work told me not to touch the gutsy version
09:26
<Gadi>
as ltsp has improved much since then
09:26
<kyron>
Gadi, note: the server is Gentoo
09:26
<Gadi>
oy
09:26
<kyron>
I just needed the term "chroot"
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09:26
<Gadi>
now my head hurts
09:26
<kyron>
gnehehe
09:26
<Gadi>
so, you already grabbed a tarball?
09:26
for the chroot
09:26
but, you grabbed one from edgy?
09:26
<kyron>
Gadi, yes
09:27
<Gadi>
at least get one from feisty
09:27
if you dont want gutsy
09:27
7.04
09:27
:)
09:28* kyron just hates version "names" ...quite an annoyance
09:28
<kyron>
especially when they tend to sound like the state of my internal organs
09:28
<Gadi>
heh
09:28
well, with each iteration the chroots been a changin
09:29
so, I couldnt even tell you if the XKBLAYOUT stuff was in edgy
09:29
tho, I would expect that it was, seeing as ogra would have hated using a us keyboard
09:29
:)
09:30
<ogra>
actually i start to prefer us :) thanks to constant classmatePC usage ;)
09:30
<kyron>
Gadi, XKBLAYOUT has been there for quite some time...theoretically since 3.x, but I only started using LTSP in the 4.x series
09:30
<ogra>
buut yes, XKB* was supported since the very beginning ....
09:31
kyron, ltsp5 was/is a rewrite/redesign
09:31
<kyron>
My problem is that the students expect to be able to switch layouts..
09:31
<ogra>
so features were added over time
09:31
<kyron>
ogra, LTSP5 is not a rewrite of X ;)
09:31
<ogra>
do that in gnome then
09:31
kyron, X has nothing to do with lts.conf ;)
09:31
<kyron>
ogra, I expect gnome to fail as miserably as kde... the problem is X related
09:31
sigh...
09:31
<ogra>
no
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09:32
<kyron>
ogra, setxkbmap <<-- if that doesn't work than no WM can "cheat" around it...
09:33
<ogra>
thats pretty weird .... setxkbmap works on all releases here
09:33
but you are right, the gnome kb selector tools all use setxkbmap
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09:34
<kyron>
ogra, let me guess, your server is ubuntu based?
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09:34
<ogra>
kyron, heh
09:35
<-- wrote about 1/3 of ltsp5 ... on ubuntu ...
09:35
so yes
09:35
since ltsp5 got developed on ubuntu the last two and a half year all my servers are ubuntu
09:36
<kyron>
ogra, see, you're cheating!
09:36
gna!
09:36
<ogra>
kyron, you shouldt mix versions btw ...
09:37
client and server should have the same ltsp version
09:37
<kyron>
so your X keyboard mapping is obviously compatible client <-> server
09:37
ogra, O_o...
09:37
<ogra>
else breakage is guaranteed
09:37
<kyron>
you mean, client and server should have the same X version
09:37
<ogra>
no
09:37
<kyron>
ogra, historically, that isn't true
09:37
<ogra>
??
09:37
kyron, i promise you it will break
09:38
<kyron>
meaning that the keyboard mapping was meant to be portable ;)
09:38
as in, independent from client--server
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09:40
<kyron>
ogra, here's an example of weird result, if I execute the following in a term screen, the LTSP term crashes: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout ca -variant fr -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY
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09:41
<ogra>
define "term screen"
09:41
in an X session ? or at a terminal console
09:42
<kyron>
well...in an X session obviously... that string of command would be quite...useless otherwise :)
09:43
<ogra>
?
09:43
as long as DISPLAY ia valid and you have auth rights to it it shouldnt matter
09:43
s/ia/is/
09:44
but i'm pretty sure the piping to xkbcomp isnt valid anymore ....
09:44
<kyron>
ogra, hrm, I don't see $DISPLAY being used in a tty
09:44
ogra, which version of X is used in 6.x?
09:44
<Gadi>
kyron: try: setxkbmap ca -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY
09:45
<ogra>
Gadi, dont use "-print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY"
09:45
setxkbmap ca
09:45
just that
09:46* ogra goes for a smoke ...
09:46
<Gadi>
well, try both
09:46
<kyron>
well...that froze my term
09:46
sorry, X session
09:46
<Gadi>
which ?
09:46
<kyron>
the `setxkbmap ca -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY`
09:46
<Gadi>
weird
09:47
<kyron>
dberkholz, Mr X, any of this look familiar
09:47
I even loose the pointer
09:47
<Gadi>
well, try what ogra said
09:47
<kyron>
hdparm is missing on the LTSP image (to shut down useless HDD :P)
09:49
Hey, ogra (when you get back), are the tarballs on the web site actually functionnal chroots in the way that I could chroot into one and run some sort of `apt-get update all` type of command?
09:50
<Gadi>
yes, they are
09:51
<kyron>
recommended (surely not :P )
09:51
<Gadi>
go fo rit
09:51
the mirrors are probably the basic ones
09:51
not the updates
09:51
do: apt-get update
09:51
and apt-get upgrade
09:51
in the chroot
09:52
and see if it updates
09:52
<kyron>
I'll try that later :P
09:52
<Gadi>
also, you can apt-get hdparm in there, if you like
09:52
:)
09:52
<kyron>
ogra, Gadi : the setxkbmap ca / setxkbmap us do work ;)
09:53
<Gadi>
ah, great
09:53
<kyron>
now to convince kxkb to _use_ that approach :/
09:53
<Gadi>
must be xkbcomp on the gentoo side that is incompaible?
09:54
<kyron>
actually, I just tried that from a simple blackbox console...not a kde session
09:54
Gadi, define compatible ;)
09:54
<cdealer__>
how can I set ltsp to mount pen-drive with suporte for utf8 file names ?
09:54
when I open my pen-drive on the server or other local machine any word witch special characters are displayed normal but on the clients every special character becames some strange letter...
09:54
<Gadi>
ie computes a keymap that can be loaded into the xserver on the ubuntu side
09:54
:)
09:55
<kyron>
imho, Gentoo is one of the distribs that respects closely the original packages compared to most others.
09:58
<ogra>
kyron, you could upgarde a chroot to a newer release, through chrooting into it, but the changes between release were so massive in the past that it will likely break stuff
09:58
<Gadi>
cdealer__: you will need to modify /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/add_fstab_entry
09:58
<ogra>
general upgrade instruction in ubuntu and debian for the client is to rebuild the client chroot
09:59
that will change in the next releases, i dont expect such massive changes anymore
09:59
<Gadi>
cdealer__: and modify the line 'echo /dev/........ >> ${FSTAB}' - change "defaults" to whatever options are needed to mount with utf chars"
09:59
<kyron>
ogra, so I figured...
10:00
now, for some reason, the setxkbmap doesn't work under kde :/... weird...very
10:00
<Gadi>
cdealer__: probably "utf8"
10:01
<ogra>
we should probably default to mount with utf8 option ....
10:01
<cdealer__>
Gadi: thanks gadi, I will try it
10:01
=)
10:01
<ogra>
i know scott wanted to look into multi language support for ltspfs since quite some time
10:02
<Gadi>
I believe that should work
10:02
<ogra>
i'm ot sure that gets properly forwarded by ltspfs ...
10:02
*not
10:02
<Gadi>
especially, if ur media is always: vfat, ntfs, or iso9660
10:03
ah
10:03
well, worth a shot
10:03
:)
10:03
<ogra>
yeah
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10:04
<kyron>
ogra, you might be able to answer this one: Why does the X server no respawn on a CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE (from login screen)
10:04
<Gadi>
cdealer__: let us know if it works
10:05
kyron: that was fixed later
10:05
<kyron>
oh... LOL
10:05
<Gadi>
gutsy? feisty?
10:05
<kyron>
Gadi, vomit
10:05
<Gadi>
heh
10:05
<kyron>
6.x
10:05
<laga>
ogra: you were right. unionfs on nfs is still broken if NFS is the RW branch. they just fixed unionfs for when NFS is the ro branch
10:05
<ogra>
which 6.X ?
10:05
<Gadi>
I think the ldm was not in a loop before, so when you killed X X just, well, died
10:05
<kyron>
is the one I run... and I was told the 7.x was harder to get working out of the box
10:06
ogra, the one on the web site :P
10:06
<ogra>
kyron, stop using the x please
10:06
<kyron>
ogra, * then?
10:06
<Gadi>
kyron: 6.10 is diff from 6.04
10:06
<kyron>
ogra: ubuntu_6.10_i386
10:06
<ogra>
you dont help yourself if you dont tell the right version :)
10:06
thanks
10:07
as the version number indicates there are usually 6 months between the releases
10:07
so there are huge differences
10:07
<kyron>
ogra, sorry, I thought it was "common knowledge" which ones are available on the LTSP site (only `Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) i386 ` and `Ubuntu feisty (pre-prelease) i386`)
10:08
<ogra>
i didnt upload them there, dont blame me :)
10:08
and i actually only saw that page twice in my life :)
10:08
my users usually use ltsp-build-client and not tarballs :)
10:08
<kyron>
hehehehe
10:09
I don't ;)
10:09
<ogra>
well, you are not the typical ubuntu user :)
10:09
<kyron>
ogra, hey, would that ltsp-build-client work under gentoo or does it _expect_ the server to be [k]ubuntu?
10:09
ogra, oh definately not ;)
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10:09
<ogra>
the thing with ltsp5 is that it relies on being integrated very deeply into the distro
10:10
<kyron>
I install it for windows users but that is the limit of my interaction with the buntu series ;)
10:10
<ogra>
you will miss a good bunch of stuff on the server side with gentoo
10:10
<laga>
ogra: i like the integration with ubuntu
10:10
<kyron>
ogra, I know: http://wiki.neuralbs.com/index.php/Gentoo_Diskless_Client
10:10
<ogra>
saying thins i think using the 6.10 client setup migth actually be the best
10:11
<kyron>
ogra, which is the one i am using atm...
10:11
<ogra>
you will at least get sound (even though crappy since its esd based)
10:11
<kyron>
ogra, ...so...killing X means I need to reboot huh^
10:11
ogra, LOL
10:12
<ogra>
ctrl-alt-bs works fine here
10:12
i cant remember how it wax in 6.10 though
10:12
<kyron>
that link is to some old notes of mine on building an SSI. when I finish my studies I might get more time to integrate LTSP5 into GEntoo ;)
10:12
<ogra>
ont expect my mind to reach 2 years in the past :)
10:12
<kyron>
ehehheeh
10:12
well, it won't respawn here
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10:13
<ogra>
dberkholz, started a gentoo port and there is a page for it somewhere as well but it was never finished
10:13
(and given that the page is even very old much of the stuff might not be valid anymore)
10:13
<kyron>
ogra, yeah...I know the guy ;)
10:14
ogra, don't rely on the page, the work is somewhere else iirc
10:14
<cdealer__>
changing the add_fstab_entry file I need to rebuild image or anything like this ?
10:14
<ogra>
kyron, right ... but still there were many changes since
10:15
like alsa support ... ldm rewrite ... and recently switching away from nfs
10:16
<kyron>
ogra, yeah, the switch away from NFS is the one that intrigues me the most...
10:17
<ogra>
yeah, its really fast and slim :)
10:18
<kyron>
ogra, ...hmmm...fast..slim.. good for cluster nodes??
10:18
<ogra>
you mean to netboot clusters with a modified variant ?
10:18
<kyron>
ogra, I made my own images
10:18
<cdealer__>
changing the add_fstab_entry file I need to rebuild image or anything like this ? =)
10:19
<ogra>
or to boot clients from a cluster ?
10:19
<kyron>
the usual problem is that the kernel only supports NFS as the root...
10:19
<ogra>
not with ubuntus initramfs-tools
10:19
<kyron>
ogra, boot the nodes from a server which serves the `diskless` nodes with a boot image
10:19
<ogra>
adding support for anything is a breeze with that
10:19
<laga>
ogra: well, not with your additions :)
10:19
<ogra>
ah
10:19
yeah, that should be trivial with ltsp
10:19
<kyron>
laga, hehehe
10:20
<ogra>
laga, well, my nbd script is actually the nfs script with probably 20 lines added
10:20
<laga>
ogra: yup
10:20
<kyron>
oh207, I'm not thinking of using LTSP for that, I mean to say future SSI will probably go NBD instead of NFS
10:20
<ogra>
and ten ripped out or so
10:20
<laga>
ogra: i've spent a lot of time in both scripts :)
10:21
<cdealer__>
Gadi: there are any need to rebuild the image after changing that file ?
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10:21
<kyron>
ah craps... it seems my keyboard problem is dug deep into KDE somehow. switching with setxkbmap works under blackbox but not under kde O_o
10:22
<ogra>
cdealer__, every time you change something below /opt/ltsp/$ARCH you need to rebuild
10:22
<cdealer__>
hmm okay didnt know
10:23
<ogra>
cdealer__, i'm working on something t make it easier for you :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-image-shell/
10:23
but i'm very short on time atm so no promises it will be out soon
10:23
<laga>
ogra: i want that for mythbuntu-control-centre
10:23
<ogra>
:)
10:24
i need to put the bzr branch up somewhere
10:24
its basically working and should be a good base for people to contribute/enhance
10:24
<cdealer__>
ogra: that will be nice
10:24
<laga>
ogra: in fact, i was going to add something similar. just a few buttons like "give me a shell inside the chroot", "launch a package manager", "commit changes to squashfs" [run ltsp-update-image]
10:25
<ogra>
right
10:25
i was planning synaptic and update-manager integration as well
10:25
<laga>
well, unless i get a working unionfs it'll have to wait another 6 months
10:26
<cdealer__>
ogra: why the shutdown/reboot buttons are not in the client gnome ?
10:26* ogra thinks some far day in the future he will even finish http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
10:26
<ogra>
cdealer__, in the logout dialog ?
10:26
<cdealer__>
ogra: yep
10:27
<ogra>
they come from the locally running gnome-power-manager :)
10:27
so the shutdown/reboot would actually apply to the server :)
10:27
you likely dont want that
10:27
<laga>
ogra: wow. i have to steal that progress dialog from you :)
10:27
<kyron>
ogra, so, if I get this right, one of the big changes in LTSP5 is NBD being used as the net mounted root protocol instead of NFS... apart from getting that to work...
10:28
<ogra>
kyron, you mean vs the 4.x series of ltsp ?
10:28
<kyron>
yeah
10:28
<ogra>
no
10:28
nbd is just the latest addition to ltsp5 ...
10:28
ltsp5 is a completely new design
10:29
<cdealer__>
adding the iocharset=utf8 inside the /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/add_fstab_entry worked =)
10:29
<ogra>
while all former versions were their own monolithic builds of a minimal linux system uses ltsp5 the packages of the hosting distro to assemble the client
10:29
which means a) we dont need to care for kernel, X, hardware detection etc ....
10:30
<Gadi>
cdealer__: excellent! thx for reporting back
10:30
<kyron>
ogra, yeah, with the ltspfs and all...which means I also need to integrate that into the server somehow.. well, this is a discussion I would be better to have with dberkholz anyways, he's been staying on top of things on that front
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<Gadi>
cdealer__: did you just change 'defaults' to 'iocharset=utf8' ?
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10:31
<kyron>
ogra, I know all that ;) That was the intent of the MueKow project ;)
10:31
<cdealer__>
Gadi: defaults,iocharset=utf8
10:31
<ogra>
GRRR
10:31
<cdealer__>
Gadi: every strange character now is looking normal
10:31* ogra shakes his fist in direction where he suspects the AP sits in this office
10:31
<ogra>
kyron, right
10:32
so we dont need to care for more than the ltsp scripts
10:32
<kyron>
of course, making Jim happy ;)
10:32
<ogra>
the whole ltsp source is about 200k big nowadays
10:32
<kyron>
hehehehehe, yeah..woot!
10:32
<ogra>
if you compare tat to the big tarball blob they had to build before .....
10:33
and we can just rely on the kernel team of our distro to care for the kernel ... the X team for X etc
10:33
<kyron>
yeah, made less sense
10:33
but it was the easiest way for it to "just work"
10:33
<ogra>
installing a restricted driver because you have an nvidia in your client takes only some minutes instead of hours/days
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10:33
<kyron>
ogra, which is essentially the Gentoo philosophy :P
10:34
<ogra>
not really
10:34
<kyron>
oh yeah! especially that
10:34
ogra, oh, though you were a ubuntu user :P
10:34
<ogra>
i'm talking about distr teams (the ubuntu kernel team or X team in my case)
10:34
not about upstream X or kernel :)
10:35
<kyron>
ok, so we're cheating...but we do have teams ;)
10:35
<ogra>
heh :)
10:36
<kyron>
anyhow, my kde is not playing nice with setxkbmap somehow :(
10:36* ogra cant say aything about KDE
10:36
<ogra>
last time i used it the version started with a 1
10:37
<kyron>
lol... that goes _way_ back
10:40
<ogra>
i pretty quickly switched to gnome when it started becoming usable
10:42
<warren>
sorry I've been away for a few days
10:42
food poisoning, I was in pretty bad shape
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<Gadi>
ogra: havve there been issues booting gutsy live cd from qemu/virtualbox?
10:43
<Q-FUNK>
warren: is everything back to normal?
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<kyron>
ogra, that's a human interfacing issue, Mac users are better off with Gnome where as Win users might be easier to accomodate under KDE.
10:44
<cdealer__>
Hey.. other litle problem here... diskets are not mouting on clients... there is no activity with the disket driver
10:44
<warren>
Q-FUNK, not exactly
10:44
Q-FUNK, I'm trying to get back up to speed at work now
10:44
<cdealer__>
pen-drives and cds are mouting normaly
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<Q-FUNK>
:(
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<cdealer__>
ogra: you know why only disket are not mouting on the client ??
10:54
<cliebow_>
anyone use aa promise sata controller in edgy successfully
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<cdealer__>
ogra1: you know why only disket are not mouting on the client ??
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11:06
<johnny>
my floppies stopped mounting
11:06
<cdealer__>
johnny: my too
11:06
=)
11:06
<johnny>
but i don't know why, didn't see any ltsp package changes
11:06
so it might not be related
11:07
<cdealer__>
johnny: but cds and pendrives mounts without problems
11:07
<johnny>
yes
11:07
and?
11:07
<cdealer__>
so you have the same problem that I do
11:08
<johnny>
but as i said, i dont' recall any package changes
11:08
<cdealer__>
still waiting for some answer or idea on how to workaround this
11:08
<johnny>
for ltsp
11:08
so it might not be their faults
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<cdealer__>
may be not, but they are who knows what are talking..
11:09
:)
11:09
<johnny>
doesn't mean they will solve other random problems for you
11:09
i haven't had a chance to look into why it doesn't work yet tho
11:09
<cdealer__>
johnny: whats random on this? Diskets doesnt mount...
11:09
<johnny>
sure. but they used to
11:10
and no ltsp package changes
11:10
so.. it's prolly not to do with ltsp
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<cdealer__>
johnny: sometime only diskets was mouting, after a tip of ogra my pendrives and cdroms start mouting but diskets have stoped
11:10
<johnny>
yes.. i had to do that too
11:11
it's a registered bug in launchpad
11:11
<cdealer__>
johnny: my problem is not disket in general, but diskets in ltsp clients
11:11
<johnny>
i don't have a floppy drive
11:11
in my server
11:11
to verify
11:12
<cdealer__>
so I think it have to do with ltsp, on the server everything mounts fine
11:13
<johnny>
i'll take a look into it when i get a moment
11:13
i'm not near my installs atm
11:13
going to go there later tonight
11:14
i'm closing the store by myself tho.. so i'll see if i can make some time
11:14
<Gadi>
cdealer__: can you log into your client's console (on ctrl-alt-f1)
11:15
if you can, log in and cat /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
11:16
look for the floppy drive in there
11:16
<cdealer__>
Gadi: I will first need to change the lts.conf and then reboot the clietn.. just a minute
11:16
<Gadi>
ok
11:16
<ogra1>
Gadi, floppies are handled by delayed-mounter
11:16
<Gadi>
also, I am assuming this is gutsy?
11:16
<cdealer__>
yes
11:16
<Gadi>
ogra1: yes, but they need an entry in ltspfs_fstab first
11:16
<ogra1>
no
11:17
<Gadi>
no?
11:17
huh
11:17
<ogra1>
delayed-mounter should add that
11:17
<cdealer__>
so ... what I must do ?
11:17
<Gadi>
no it doesnt
11:17
not in gutsy
11:17
delayedmounter the ldm rc.d script?
11:18
<ogra1>
hmm
11:18
<Gadi>
cdealer__: cat /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
11:18
<ogra1>
yes, its the rc.d one
11:18
<Gadi>
the rc.d just ssh ltspfsmounters everything in ltspfs_fstab
11:19
so, udev needs to have put it there
11:19
its all about udev
11:19
:)
11:20
<johnny>
udev == awesome
11:21
PC floppy drives == the sux0r
11:21
<cdealer__>
Gadi: the first entry is for the disket
11:23
<Gadi>
ok, thats good
11:23
are you logged into ldm on the other screen?
11:23
<cdealer__>
Gadi: yeap, I saw before and after login the entry is the same
11:24
and the disket is dead
11:24
<Gadi>
the disk appears as a drive but you cannot access it?
11:24
or it does not appear at all?
11:25
<cdealer__>
it does not appear at all... and if I go to computer > floppy drive it gives me an error saying that cannot mount
11:25
<Gadi>
well, Computer > Floppy Drive is the *server*'s floppy
11:26
if you open a terminal window and do: ls /media/$USER
11:26
<ogra1>
a client floppy drive should have a persistent icon on the desktop iirc
11:26
<Gadi>
what do you see?
11:28
<cdealer__>
Gadi: there are no /media/$USER
11:28
not for this user
11:28
ogra1: there are no icon on the desktop ...
11:32
<Gadi>
cdealer__: are there any other local drives?
11:32
or just the floppy?
11:32
<cdealer__>
Gadi: I can use pendrive and cdrom without problems, both mounts on the desktop
11:33
Gadi: What im still having problem is with the disket and the sound (i think that there is nothign to do with the disket problem)
11:33
<Gadi>
ok, try this: go back to the console screen on the thin client and type:
11:35
ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm*socket server "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/floppy0"
11:36
(I know its a mouthful)
11:36
in other words, try executing the command that delayed_mounter (/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter) would run
11:37
<cdealer__>
okay
11:37
just a sec...
11:38
<ogra1>
Gadi, he probably should just add the -X to delayed-mounter :P
11:40* Gadi thinks the same
11:40
<cdealer__>
Gadi: okay, now it mounted the disket in the desktop and I could access the disket files from the client (I had to add "add" after floppy0 )
11:41
<Gadi>
ok - edit /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter and add a -X option to the ssh line
11:41
it was noticably absent in the gutsy release
11:41
ogra1: whats the deal with getting upgrades into gutsy?
11:41
<johnny>
yeah.. like the other local dev bug
11:42
<ogra1>
Gadi, a good bunch of paperwork .... then a long time for the package in -proposed ....
11:43
<Gadi>
ah... gone are the days of just bribing jim with enough beer
11:49
<cdealer__>
how the clients plays sounds?
11:52
<johnny>
hmm, so .. perhaps a silly question, but where are the files that decide what specific versions of a package go in the chroot
11:52
my cairo in the chroot for example, does not match the one on the server, and it doesn't give me a choice when trying to upgrade it
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<cdealer__>
Gadi: the client connects to teh server with pulseaudio ?
11:57
<Gadi>
cdealer__: the client runs pulseaudio daemon and sets an environment variable on the server upon login (if SOUND=True
11:58
on the server, it creates a pulseaudio device as a virtual sound card for ALSA
11:58
so, when apps use ALSA, the sound should get played on the "pulse" sound card which really redirects it to the pulseaudio daemon on the client
11:59
<johnny>
now if only i could figure out
11:59
why the volume controls on the clients adjust the server volume
11:59
<cdealer__>
Gadi: but on the server there are no pulseaudio, how do I see if this pulse driver its on the serveR?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: because they're connected to the wrong sound card
12:01
<johnny>
shouldn't it default to local?
12:01
<vagrantc>
johnny: are you logged in to the server? then that is "local"
12:01
<cdealer__>
Gadi: there are no SOUND variable
12:01
<Gadi>
SOUND in lts.conf
12:01
<cdealer__>
Hmmmm
12:01
<johnny>
i have folks logged into the clients and server
12:01
<Gadi>
in lts.conf, you should have: SOUND=True
12:01
<cdealer__>
i thought it was default
12:01
<johnny>
the server is used as a point of sale terminal and music player
12:03
<cdealer__>
I will reboot the clietn to see if the sound gets played
12:05
<vagrantc>
Gadi: SOUND=True is only necessary on older versions...
12:05
<ogra1>
Gadi, not needed anymore
12:06
vagrantc, made it check for the sound software ... if its there sound gets started
12:06* vagrantc made lots of checks like that
12:06
<Gadi>
check for what sound software?
12:07
<vagrantc>
pulse, esound, or nasd, i think ...
12:07
look in ltsp_config
12:07
<Gadi>
but, you can still set SOUND=False, right?
12:07
or SOUND=N
12:07
<vagrantc>
yes
12:07
it only sets a default if it's undefined
12:07
<Gadi>
when did you merge that code? is it in gutsy?
12:07
<vagrantc>
definitely in gutsy ...
12:08
<Gadi>
huh
12:08
good tip
12:08* Gadi is always explicit, so I don't ever remember how you default stuff :)
12:08
<vagrantc>
Gadi: all the defaults are basically in ltsp_config
12:08* Gadi just hates the True/False Y/N controversy
12:09
<vagrantc>
controversy is over, they all work as expected
12:09
<Gadi>
yeah, but everytime I hack something in, I always have to account for both
12:09
:)
12:09
just so *I* remember
12:10
<vagrantc>
what do you mean?
12:10
<Gadi>
I mean every little shell script I write
12:10
that plays off a variable
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<Gadi>
I am always doing: if [ "$VAR" = "Y" -o "$VAR" = "True" ]; then ....
12:12
<vagrantc>
there should be function "boolean_is_true"
12:12
<ogra1>
Gadi, its in since feisty iirc
12:12
<cdealer__>
okay... so I think puting sound=true will not help (didnt already) =d
12:12
<ogra1>
"boolean_is_true" even since edgy
12:13* vagrantc notices that boolean_is_true is cut-and-pasted multiple places
12:13
<Gadi>
well, depending on where the script is, I may source ltsp_config or I may just eval `getltscfg -a`
12:13
ltsp_config does a lot more than parse the config
12:13
iirc
12:13
<vagrantc>
Gadi: always source ltsp_config, otherwise you may get inconsistant values
12:14
Gadi: all it does is sets defaults
12:14
<Gadi>
inconsistent how?
12:14
<vagrantc>
because if you run getltscfg, and there is no value set, but ltsp_config sets the value ...
12:14
<Gadi>
ah
12:14
<vagrantc>
you get inconsistant results
12:16
there is one advantage to setting the defaults in lts.conf- you might get a few less filesystem calls at boot
12:17
s,might,will,
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12:48
<Gadi>
ogra1: do you test ubuntu live cds with qemu/virtualbox?
12:50
<ogra1>
Gadi, not really, but edubuntu-live :)
12:50
<Gadi>
ogra1: so, what the trick?
12:50
<ogra1>
trick ?
12:50
<Gadi>
gutsy livecd keeps dropping into initramfs bec it cannot find the cdrom drive
12:51
<ogra1>
sounds broken
12:51
<Gadi>
works fine if you use it for real
12:51
(ie burn the cd)
12:51
<ogra1>
no idea ... WFM
12:51
<Gadi>
doesnt seem to make a /dev/hdc
12:52
hmm...
12:52
<ogra1>
oh, wait, you have real CD hardware there or an image ?
12:52
<Gadi>
I have an image
12:52
<ogra1>
well, then i dont know ...
12:52
<Gadi>
I am booting the iso image
12:52
<laga>
should still work since qemu/vbox is emulating the cdrom drive
12:52
<ogra1>
using an image here works just fine
12:52* ogra1 doesnt use quemo though
12:53
<ogra1>
*qemu
12:53
<Gadi>
I heard of this issue on gutsy in particular
12:53
<laga>
qemo? :)
12:53
<Gadi>
I tried in qemu and virtualbox
12:53
same result
12:53
drives me crazy
12:54
<cliebow_>
strak raving crazy mad nutsy bow wow 8~)
12:54
<laga>
cliebow_: you sound like someone who's been working with unionfs
12:55
<lns>
Anyone using Compiz on thin clients? How does it work? I know Ogra said a while ago it worked pretty well - I'm assuming you should have nice thin-client vid hardware though.
12:56
<cliebow_>
laga:no takes far less fro me..
12:58
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i've definitely booted and installed debian using debian-installer and virtualbox ...
12:58
Gadi: using an .iso
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<psycodad>
hi, how can i stop kdm from starting a local display in debian etch ? in sarge i would just uncomment the corresponding line in Xservers but this file doesn't exist or is merged into kdmrc in etch
15:18
<vagrantc>
otavio: hey :)
15:18
otavio: did you get the upload email?
15:21
<otavio>
vagrantc: yes, will do it later today
15:22
<vagrantc>
otavio: thanks :)
15:25
<sutula>
vagrantc: I see another recent ltspfs in Etch-backports, with a different set of udev rules...is that a different approach to the problem we talked about almost a week ago, or something else?
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<vagrantc>
sutula: it fixes the issue. the issue was i didn't quote the ATTRS{removable}="1"
15:28
sutula: tested it on etch with a real hardware thin client and a usb stick
15:29
sutula: so your "fix" probably worked more because you added quotes, and not because of the ../removable bit
15:29
<sutula>
vagrantc: OK, so the hack I did before is now unnecessary? If so, I will remove it from the wiki (or you can).
15:29
<vagrantc>
sutula: and now we're back to just re-building for etch rather than having to add a patch :)
15:29
sutula: already removed from the wiki :)
15:30
<sutula>
vagrantc: K...I missed the wiki e-mail, but sometimes it's a little slow
15:31
vagrantc: BTW, the problem with users not being able to login (I claimed unless they were members of plugdev) was my bad...so sorry to send you on a wild goose chase
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<sutula>
vagrantc: Most of my users are homed on an NFS-mounted filesystem, and (at least on Etch), it doesn't get mounted automatically on boot.
15:32
<vagrantc>
sutula: heh
15:32
sutula: it's probably because ssh doesn't interface with pam-mount or something
15:32
<sutula>
vagrantc: I have a cron script that watches for that situation, and remounts, so after I screwed around for a while (messing with group privs), the problem fixed itself :)
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<kai4785>
I've been able to get ltsp's PXE environment working. I was a bit suprised to not find tools like 'links' and 'wget' available. Is there somewhere I can go get those packages?
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<otavio>
vagrantc: upload has been done
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<vagrantc>
otavio: thanks :)
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<vagrantc>
otavio: how did lintian go? last time your upload came up with some lintian warnings that mine didn't
17:07
<otavio>
vagrantc: fine. Just complained about the config for debconf
17:07
<vagrantc>
otavio: last time for ltsp ...
17:07
otavio: ah, good.
17:07
otavio: i've still never figured out how to do lintian overrides
17:07
<otavio>
vagrantc: that's easy
17:08
vagrantc: you install a file inside lintian overrides dir
17:08
vagrantc: and put the warning code there
17:08
vagrantc: http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch2.html see 2.4
17:15
<sutula>
vagrantc: If I pull in the new ltspfs on the server, do I have to completely rebuild the client chroot, or can I update it somehow?
17:17
<vagrantc>
otavio: yeah, i've tried it before, and still never gotten it to work
17:17
sutula: as long as the version in the chroot is 5.0.39+, you should be able to just update ... i think
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<sutula>
vagrantc: Hmmm...ltspfs isn't installed in the chroot, but the resulting udev rules are, right?
17:21* sutula isn't sure how to "be able to just update"
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<vagrantc>
sutula: ltspfsd is installed in the chroot
17:31
sutula: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update ; chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get upgrade
17:32
<sutula>
vagrantc: K, thanks much!
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<mathesis>
!universalbot
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<ltspbot>
mathesis: Error: "universalbot" is not a valid command.
17:41
<mathesis>
!universalboot
17:41
<ltspbot>
mathesis: Error: "universalboot" is not a valid command.
17:41
<mathesis>
!Floppy Universal
17:41
<ltspbot>
mathesis: Error: "Floppy" is not a valid command.
17:42
<mathesis>
se vagrantc
17:42
how can i search universal floppy with ltspbot?
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<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
18:02
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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<ltsp_user>
anyone have a clue how to get firefox/flash running with DSP sound, or any sound?
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<lns>
ltsp_user, i386 server or amd64?
19:04
anyway, if it's i386 on the server see http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio
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