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Channel log from 14 December 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
02:11
<Uzzi>
highvoltage, i've to config grub2 (/boot/grub/grub.cfg) to boot with ltsp server, because my old pc cannot booting by LAN
02:11
ops sorry highvoltage I've to type only "hi"
02:13
<alkisg>
Uzzi: do you have an ubuntu version installed on that pc?
02:13
<Uzzi>
yes
02:14
<alkisg>
Which one?
02:14
<Uzzi>
10.04 or 9.10
02:15
<alkisg>
This package (I assume i386) installs gpxe to the grub2 boot loader: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/+files/gpxe-grub_1.0.0%7E1%7Eppa1_all.deb
02:15
So it offers a "boot from network" menu
02:15
Verify that you have grub2 before installing it
02:16
(fresh 9.10 and 10.04 installations do use grub2 by default)
02:17
<Uzzi>
very good alkisg thanks a lot
02:17
<alkisg>
np
02:22
<Uzzi>
alkisg, I've a"vergin" pc, can I install only grub2 in a small partition and after gpxe-grub?
02:22
<alkisg>
Uzzi: to install grub2 you need to have an OS first
02:22
So no. But you can install gpxe in the same way that you'd install it on a usb stick
02:23
You have an empty local hard disk and you want to waste it all just to put gpxe on it?
02:24
http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/removable#creating_a_bootable_usb_key
02:24
You can do that on a hard disk as well ^^^
02:26
<muppis>
02:27
<w1r0x>
Guys I can't setup LocalDev in LTSP can you help me pls. Ubuntu 10.10
02:30
<muppis>
w1r0x, updated your ssh-keys?
02:30
<w1r0x>
noo
02:31
<muppis>
Try that first.
02:31
<w1r0x>
Problem not in keys
02:31
problem in ltspfsmounter
02:32
I used DebugLocalDev guide on ubuntu wiki, & get Authentication failed. on fourth step
02:32
It happens while trying manualy 'ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_1851_192.168.16.37 192.168.16.37 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"' from client
02:33
when i use ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_1851_192.168.16.37 192.168.16.37 gnome-terminal it works fine
02:38
any idea?
02:39
<muppis>
Try run ltspfsmounter in local terminal, not over ssh.
02:40
<w1r0x>
not over ssh it gives me Connection Error or smth like that
02:41
I tryed to understand the source code & purpose of error.. but I don't know python
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<w1r0x>
ltspfsmounter not over ssh gives "ERROR connecting"
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<muppis>
w1r0x, there some enviromental variables missing while not running it over ssh. I think ltspfsmounter is looking for SSH_CONNECTION.
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<muppis>
Or SSH_CLIENT
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<w1r0x>
muppis: yes i know it
03:00
muppis: Problem on that command call(lbmount_command)
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<muppis>
w1r0x, then it goes out of my knowledge. Sorry.
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<w1r0x>
muppis: thanks for you help
03:01
your*
03:01
<muppis>
You're welcome.
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03:57
<frederickjh>
Can anyone here explain how audio for the ltsp clients works?
03:57
I am looking to set up a Radio Automation program called Rivendell with LTSP.
03:58
It only can use ALSA, jackd , or audio science audio sub systems.
03:58
<johnny>
you can bridge alsa and pulseaudio
03:58
<frederickjh>
My understanding is that LTSP is using pulseaudio
03:58
<Hyperbyte>
Oh hey Frederick!
03:58
You use Rivendell? =D
03:59
<johnny>
but ubuntu links alsa to pulse, so it shouldn't even be noticable.. unless you're running it locally
03:59
<Hyperbyte>
I'd be very happy to hear your experiencies... pro's, con's.
03:59
<frederickjh>
I know that johnny but I end up with gliches and drop out.
03:59
So is the transport to the client Alsa?
04:00
Do you use Rivendell Hyperbyte?
04:00
<Hyperbyte>
Currently we're using BSI Simian for radio automation
04:00
Looking for something new... Rivendell is a strong candidate.
04:01
<frederickjh>
Is it working ok for you?
04:01
I guess not.
04:02
Join us over at #rivendell if you have any questions.
04:02
<Hyperbyte>
Oh hey cool... I will, sometime. :)
04:02
First I need to get Christmas behind me. =)
04:03
<frederickjh>
OK, it is not a high traffic channel if you want to just hang to see what is going on.
04:03
johnny, what do you mean links alsa to pulse?
04:04
I want to understand how audio is handled in ltsp.
04:04
<johnny>
on a normal ubuntu install, if you look in the alsa config, it points right to the pulse device
04:04
<frederickjh>
So i can make this work.
04:04
<johnny>
it's the same as on the desktop mostly, except it connects remotely
04:04
unless the overriden pulse init doesn't create the proper alsa device.. but that only matters if you're trying to run it locally
04:04
are you trying to run it normally in a thin client?
04:05
<frederickjh>
Ok, so to use also just set pulse audio to not autospawn and change the /etc/asound.conf. Correct?
04:05
<johnny>
then you won't get sound
04:05
<frederickjh>
s/alsa/also
04:05
<johnny>
pulse is mostly required on ubuntu.. just tell your app to use pulse via a wrapper or something
04:05
<frederickjh>
OK
04:05
sorry
04:05
lets back up
04:05
<johnny>
i can't recall the name
04:06
but really you never answered the question about where you're trying to run it
04:06
are you trying to run it locally on the client hardware? or as normal thin client app?
04:06
<frederickjh>
Pulseaudio does not play well with Rivendell.
04:06
<johnny>
....
04:06
<frederickjh>
so when we set it up normally on a Ubuntu machine we turn of the autospawning.
04:06
<johnny>
ANSWER
04:06
<frederickjh>
so that pulseaudio no longer runs.
04:06
Both.
04:07
<johnny>
what do you mean?
04:07
<frederickjh>
Rivendell can be networked.
04:07
<johnny>
oh
04:07
ah.. too much effort for me to figure out
04:07
<frederickjh>
You have a server with a audiostore and mysql database.
04:07
<johnny>
if somebody doesn't answer here, you're going to have to talk to them
04:07
might want to ask on
04:07
!ltsp-discuss
04:07
<ltspbot>
johnny: "ltsp-discuss" :: at https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss
04:07
<frederickjh>
Each client uses these and runs their own daemons and setup for sound.
04:08
<johnny>
well, if you don't plan on using any othe apps
04:08
then you can disable sound
04:08
and run your script
04:08
<frederickjh>
So do you know if I disable pulseaudio then is alsa hiding underneath?
04:08
That I can use on the clients as well?
04:09
<johnny>
just try it
04:09
<frederickjh>
ok
04:09
<johnny>
the lts.conf to disable sound
04:09
anyways.. i blame rivendell
04:09
or your drivers
04:09
<frederickjh>
Yes but what
04:09
<johnny>
so i do'nt really want to support that
04:09
!man lts.conf
04:09
<ltspbot>
johnny: Error: "man" is not a valid command.
04:09
<johnny>
!lts.conf
04:09
<ltspbot>
johnny: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
04:10
<frederickjh>
pulse audio is an ok consumer audio sound system but for pro-audio it is lacking.
04:10
Blame rivendell for what?
04:13
<Hyperbyte>
Why is pulseaudio lacking for professional use?
04:14
<johnny>
frederickjh, well then you should be using jack .. and jack and pulse can play together
04:14
<frederickjh>
Try it. You will find that it drops out distorts, etc.
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<frederickjh>
Well it will take a lot of work to figure it out. It looks like pulse audio is the transport not alsa as disabling pulseaudio on the client does not allow alsa apps to play sound.
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<m4xx>
does the thin client manager need to be configured to work in ubuntu?
07:19
<frederickjh>
I think you need to install some software on the clients.
07:19
But do not remember what.
07:20
I use the iTalc master interface myself.
07:20
<gnunux>
you need x11vnc on client
07:20
<alkisg>
Does tcm still work? Wasn't it unmaintained for a few years?
07:20
<gnunux>
tcm has a lot of bugs ...
07:21
<alkisg>
I thought it doesn't even start nowadays
07:21
<m4xx>
it semi worked on edubuntu 10.10
07:22
doesn't seem to work at all on 10.04 server
07:22
i'm guessing i need to chroot to my ltsp/i386 dir and install the italc-client gnunux?
07:22
<alkisg>
Most people use italc now, afaik
07:22
No, just apt-get install italc-master on the server
07:22
No need to touch the chroot
07:22
Logoff & ready
07:22
<gnunux>
m4xx: italk != tcm
07:23
<frederickjh>
Is it a problem if the same linux user logs on on more that one client?
07:24
Will I run into conflicts?
07:24
<alkisg>
That's *always* a problem on gnome :)
07:25
<frederickjh>
So that is a problem with the desktop manager?
07:25
Or if an app only allows one instance.
07:25
<alkisg>
E.g. firefox
07:25
<frederickjh>
ok
07:26
thanks.
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<robehend1>
anyone know of an easy way to add an icon to all user's desktops? Beyond Sabayon, that is, as it still gives me problems.
07:34
<alkisg>
cp? :)
07:34
<robehend1>
I'm getting to that point ;)
07:34
<alkisg>
You can put an xsession script that cp's it
07:34
E.g. in /etc/xdg/autostart/copy-desktops.desktop
07:34
<robehend1>
will it cp it every login?
07:35
<alkisg>
It'll do whatever you want it to, since it's a script
07:35
E.g. "copy if I'm in group X and the file doesn't already exist"
07:35
<frederickjh>
I think I did that once by running the main menu editor with sudo.
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<alkisg>
Menus are easier, they're handled with gconf
07:36
errr .desktop files
07:37
<frederickjh>
Sorry, wrong thing.
07:37
<robehend1>
I've been wondering about that. If I say, log into my server with a local sudoer account, setup my Gconf so people cant screw with panels or get into command prompt, will it apply to everyone?
07:38
<alkisg>
Sure, that's what "gconf-editor" in mandatory mode is for
07:38
Right click on a key -> set as mandatory etc
07:39
<robehend1>
will it apply to current users retroactively?
07:40
<alkisg>
Yes
07:40
<robehend1>
hmm...
07:41
does Gconf tie into the Menu editor, so I can build my own menus and apply them to all users?
07:41
as well as allowing me to configure what modules on the panels are active and were they are placed?
07:42
<alkisg>
Panels are difficult, in general. Their list structure doesn't allow for easy locking
07:43
You can lock all of them, but it's difficult to only lock a few of the objects in the panels
07:43
<robehend1>
thats what i thought. Is there an easier desktop enviroment to configure like this? I'm by no means tied to gnome.
07:43
<alkisg>
No idea
07:43
<robehend1>
me either ;)
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<robehend1>
does KDE4 perform well over LTSP, or is it simply to flashy.
07:49
<frederickjh>
Anyone know why LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT= in lts.conf does not work without LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true when http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf says: " LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT <snip> If you specify this option, then do not specify LDM_AUTOLOGIN."?
07:50
It says auto login in x seconds, then counts down and does not log in with only the LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT= line in lts.conf
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<robehend1>
hmm, that's odd. You'd think they'd work independantly of eachother.
07:53
<frederickjh>
Yes, you would.
08:06
<robehend1>
alkisg: Is there a way to set Gconf keys mandatory for a group, instead of all users? Say, my likewise-open users, but not my local? Don't want to accidently lockout my admin account
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<frederickjh>
Sorry the countdown does not happen with both so, LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT= just does not work.
08:13
Same LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD lines just change the LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT line to a LDM_AUTOLOGIN and it works.
08:14
I must be missing a needed parameter for LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT. It counts down the seconds but then never does its thing.
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08:15
<Gadi>
morning, all
08:15
<robehend1>
mornin
08:15
<mgariepy>
good morning
08:15
<stgraber>
morning Gadi
08:16
<Gadi>
frederickjh: just read the last 3 lines, but are you looking for LDM_GUESTLOGIN?
08:16
<frederickjh>
nope
08:16
<Gadi>
ok, then
08:16
carry on
08:16
:)
08:16
<frederickjh>
I am looking to get LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT=7 working.
08:16* Gadi thought that only works in conjunction with LDM_GUESTLOGIN
08:17
<Gadi>
but, I could be wrong
08:17
<frederickjh>
I want it to auto login a user after 7 seconds
08:17
<Gadi>
especially first thing in the morning
08:17
<frederickjh>
Ok let me take another look.
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<frederickjh>
I don't see that in the man page Gadi
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<Gadi>
frederickjh: let's take a peak at the code...
08:18
<frederickjh>
ok
08:21
Another question, What is the expected result of adding the line "SOUND=N" to a client in lts.conf?
08:21
I understand no sound on the client, but ...
08:21
<Gadi>
frederickjh: pulseaudio will not start
08:21
<robehend1>
yep, and without pulse, you've got nothin
08:21
<Gadi>
well, not completely true
08:21
<frederickjh>
what I did not expect is that the sound manager will run and use the pulseaudio on the server.
08:22
<Gadi>
local apps may still produce sound through alsa
08:22
<frederickjh>
Sound then comes from the server.
08:22
<Gadi>
ah
08:22
yeah, well
08:22
<robehend1>
i was unaware that local apps would do that..I'll have to take a look at that..
08:22
<Gadi>
that will happen as the client will no longer say, use my sound
08:22
<frederickjh>
The adjustment of an applications sound in the sound manager can be done on both the client and server.
08:22
ok
08:22
So that is the expected result.
08:23
Not no sound anywhere from the client.
08:24
I would hate to be in a computer lab disable sound on the clients and then be bombarded by all the sound they are trying to play in the server room.
08:24
<robehend1>
disable the soundcard on the server?
08:24
<frederickjh>
Yes
08:25
I just got laugh at thinking about the newbie ltsp sysadmin that thinks they can knock the sound level down that way.
08:25
<robehend1>
i've given students sound, myself. And told them if they screw up with it, we simply take it away
08:27
They've learned really fast.
08:28
<frederickjh>
However I am looking at this from another stand point. That of using a linux radio automation system on ltsp.
08:29
<robehend1>
oo, explain. I'm confused on what you mean
08:29
<frederickjh>
So I am just trying to figure out how it works and how it could work in that situation.
08:29
do you mean with the linux radio automation system, robehend1?
08:30
<robehend1>
frederickjh: Mhmm
08:30
<frederickjh>
Rivendell is a linux radio automation system.
08:30
You can network it.
08:30
The client share a common mysql database and audio store.
08:31
<robehend1>
oh, i see what your talking about now.
08:31
<frederickjh>
and playout the audio locally via a central audio engine daemon.
08:31
The question is how to set this up on top of ltsp.
08:31
and have all the sound come out of the server.
08:32
Except for maybe cuing audio.
08:33
<robehend1>
No clue here. I'd have to look more into the program to have any form of an idea
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08:34
<frederickjh>
I have a good idea already.
08:35
<robehend1>
Gadi: You might know. Since Sabayon still hasnt been working right for either of us without tweaks everywhere, I've been looking for an easier to use desktop setup for my students. Easier to use on my end, lockdown and configuring. Any suggestions, or is it really best to stick with Gnome
08:35
oh?
08:35
<frederickjh>
Rivendell and Jackd on the clients. Netjack to jack on the server or multiple sound cards on the server on for each client via alsa.
08:35
<robehend1>
I hope your not running too many clients then..a card each would take up so much space..
08:36
<frederickjh>
I think you would run out of CPU as well with too many.
08:36
<robehend1>
depending on the cpu, ya. eventually
08:36
though I've found LTSP to manage CPU utiliization quite well
08:36
<frederickjh>
The idea is to be able to setup a 2- 4 studio setup.
08:37
How many will depend on the hardware.
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<frederickjh>
Anyone know where you would setup fstab entries for mounting a nfs share on the clients? /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab says: "# UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM"
08:52
<robehend1>
frederickjh: I've went to use libpam_mount for that, instead of Fstab
08:52
<frederickjh>
Or is there an easier way to mount a common folder?
08:53
<robehend1>
that way, it logs in only for specified user groups, giving more security.
08:53
<frederickjh>
is there a man page for that
08:53
man libpam_mount does not find one.
08:54
<robehend1>
let me take a look. if not, i know theres internet docs
08:54
off the sourceforge page: http://pam-mount.sourceforge.net/doc.php
08:55
i use it in conjuncture with likewise-open, so ymmv
08:55
<frederickjh>
ok
08:56
Ok, That sound great. So I can have it mount a folder only if the user belongs to a specific group, corrrect?
08:58
Is likewise-open another program?
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<frederickjh>
found it.
09:12
Thanks robehend1! I will work on this more another day. I need to do some other work.
09:12
And thanks to all the others that chimed in with help today too!
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<Rastus>
Hello All. I'm battling the client install on Xubuntu 10.10
10:31
I deleted the /opt/ltsp folder tree and then entered sudo ltsp-build-client
10:32
The first warning I get is W: Couldn't download package diffutils
10:33
W: Couldn't download package diffutils
10:33
W: Couldn't download package liblzma2
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W: Couldn't download package zlib1g
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<Rastus>
W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5.0.0ubuntu23_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.22_i386.deb
10:33
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
10:33
Any help would be greatly appreciated...
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<alkisg>
Rastus: if you run `aptitude download diffutils` in your xubuntu server, does it succeed?
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<Rastus>
alkisg: Yes it does
11:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: copy-sourceslist?
11:00
<Rastus>
Does changing the location in sources make a difference?
11:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: I thought the build always used the same source unless you told it specifically not to...
11:02
<alkisg>
Rastus: hmm yes you could try adding --copy-sourceslist to ltsp-build-client like _UsUrPeR_ suggested
11:02
But yup I thought so too
11:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
Rastus: try ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist
11:02
<alkisg>
Rastus: can you pastebin your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sources.list?
11:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
Rastus: also, are you running a 64-bit server?
11:02
<Rastus>
OK - newbie to IRC here. pastebin?
11:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
if so, you may want to add --arch i386 in there as well
11:03
<alkisg>
!pastebin
11:03
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
11:05
<Rastus>
a_UsUrPeR_: 32 bit
11:10
OK - I must have taken my stupid pills this morning. Re pastebin: Where am I copying the file to?
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<alkisg>
Rastus: you paste the contents of that file in the url above
11:11
That web page then assigns a unique URL for your text
11:11
So if you then paste that URL here, we can go to that site and see your text
11:11
<Rastus>
OK - Good to go now
11:11
Hold on
11:12
<alkisg>
See an example: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/CJCdmi7n
11:12
That was pasted 2 days ago by someone here requesting help...
11:12
<Rastus>
I'm in the middle of "sudo ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist"
11:17
I appreciate your patience.
11:21
I don't seem to have a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sources.list but there's a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
11:22
<alkisg>
That one
11:22
<Rastus>
It's one line
11:22
deb http://debootstrap.invalid/ maverick main
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<alkisg>
That's why it fails then
11:25
That's with --copy-sourceslist?!
11:25
<m4xx>
i've just recieved my ltsp term 1720, it boot's up ok but the resolution is tiny even though i set them in my lts.conf
11:25
<Rastus>
Yes it is
11:25
I ran sudo ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist
11:26
<m4xx>
its stuck at 640x400
11:26
or something similar
11:26
<Rastus>
Hold on.
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<Rastus>
Now that the command has finished it's changed.
11:27
I'll pastebin it.
11:28
Here we go: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/DP7jp4JG
11:28
Sorry about that.
11:28
<alkisg>
OK, and now you still got the same error?
11:28
About diffutils?
11:30
m4xx: which graphics card and what monitor, tftp or old crt?
11:30
*tft
11:30
<m4xx>
i have two different monitors
11:30
both relatively new, lcd flat panel
11:30
<alkisg>
And which graphics card?
11:31
<m4xx>
i think it's the gma 950
11:31
one sec
11:31
<alkisg>
!localxterm
11:31
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
11:31
<alkisg>
lcpci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
11:31
In a localxterm
11:31
<m4xx>
ok, one second please
11:33
<Rastus>
pastebin of output: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/DeKjdURK
11:33
<m4xx>
lcpci command not found
11:34
<alkisg>
m4xx: lspci, sorry
11:34
Rastus: I: Configuring initramfs-tools... W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
11:34
I think that's your main problem
11:34
<m4xx>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/200123.html?id=b3eR8hjG
11:35
<alkisg>
Rastus: Maybe it's got something to do with xubuntu, I haven't seen that with ubuntu/edubuntu
11:35
<m4xx>
that's the unit
11:36
<alkisg>
m4xx: hmmm strange that gma950 doesn't read your monitor edid. Did lspci confirm that it is indeed gmd950?
11:36
<m4xx>
lspci wasn't found =\
11:36
ack lcpci
11:36
is it lspci?
11:37
<alkisg>
(07:35:39 PM) alkisg: m4xx: lspci, sorry
11:37
<m4xx>
oops
11:37
i'm blind ;[
11:38
<alkisg>
Rastus: I think now to troubleshoot the problem you'd need to chroot, run `apt-get install -f`, and see why initramfs-tools fails. But that's too technical.
11:38
Maybe try with ubuntu or edubuntu instead?
11:39
Want me to have a look with vnc?
11:39
<Rastus>
I'm willing
11:39
Step me through it
11:39
<alkisg>
sudo apt-get install x11vnc
11:39
x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
11:39
That's all...
11:40
<Rastus>
You're a generous individual
11:40
<alkisg>
I'm used to providing support to teachers with vnc here... so it's routine now :)
11:40
<Rastus>
There you go
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<Rastus>
password is password
11:41
<alkisg>
You didn't need to tell it, you could type it, but np
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<m4xx>
http://pastebin.us/1792
11:48
alkisg -^
11:50
<alkisg>
m4xx: I see... weird for intel. You can tell the driver to use a higher resolution by using X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH.
11:50
Open lts.conf and put:
11:51
[Default]
11:51
X_HORZSYNC=30-88
11:51
X_VERTREFRESH=30-88
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XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768
11:51
If that gives you 1024x768, try to find the correct timings for your monitors.
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<robehend1>
I've had bad luck with GMA950 before. Sometimes it works great, but mostly, I either get no display or small display. Haven't found a fix yet.
11:52
wasn't exactly sure where to put a bug report, as i've had it happen in standalone *buntu installations too
11:53
<m4xx>
the gentalman that i had talked to on the phone said it would work great >=\
11:54
i'm using the same monitors that worked on my fat client
11:54
so i already know the resolutions i want
11:54
should i boot up the old one and see what the refresh rates were?
11:55
<robehend1>
if the crt is made in the last 9 years, i'd bet its 60hz. I havent ran into a non-60 crt in forever
11:56
<alkisg>
m4xx: first, try what I wrote above, to verify that this is indeed your problem
11:57
Put X_VERTREFRESH=30-70 if you prefer
12:00
(how do you connect your monitors? dsub, dvi, hdmi?)
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<alkisg>
Rastus: you're having problems downloading the packages, probably that's why it fails...
12:03
<Rastus>
Why would that be?
12:03
Router?
12:03
<m4xx>
one is vga, the other is dvi->vga
12:03
<alkisg>
Rastus: no idea
12:03
<Rastus>
Fair enough
12:04
<alkisg>
Rastus: Let's see if it succeeds once it downloads all the packages
12:04
<Rastus>
Funnily enough it works just fine in Xubuntu 9.04. I've done it several time
12:08
<alkisg>
Rastus: it might be some bug in xubuntu 10.10 then. Maybe apt-related, as vnc works fine...
12:08
<Rastus>
Obviously... :)
12:08
I haven't been able to get it to work for 9.10 all the way ip
12:09* alkisg prefers LTS releases, they're more stable
12:17
<Gadi>
m4xx: log into ldm with the low resolution, open a terminal, and type "xrandr"
12:23
<Rastus>
clever
12:24
<m4xx>
i've contacted the place i got it from and they sent me a script
12:25
he said it's because it's using lvds and that's causing the problem
12:26
the script seems to have fixxed the resoluion issue but for some reason it doesn't allow me to have a desktop that extends both monitors when using a dvi to vga converter =[
12:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all. can someone take a look at this auth log? http://pastebin.com/fVnqJjSm
12:32
I can't figure out why some clients are able to log on, while others are not
12:33
this specific login attempt is with LDM, and it just resets back to LDM when it fails
12:33
<alkisg>
Maybe X crashed?
12:33
<m4xx>
maybe regenerate ssh keys?
12:34
<alkisg>
!compiz
12:34
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
12:34
<alkisg>
Some users may have disabled compiz in the appearance settings
12:34
<m4xx>
!disable_compiz
12:34
<ltspbot>
m4xx: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
12:34
<alkisg>
So thats _one_ reason why some users are able to "login" while others not
12:34
*might be...
12:40
<robehend1>
alkisg: say, do you run that script on the server, or on a client through a local xterm
12:40
<alkisg>
robehend1: what script? the command to disable compiz?
12:40
<robehend1>
alkisg: mhm
12:40
<alkisg>
On the server, it works for all users.
12:41
<robehend1>
nice...i should do that, less resources used, they dont need pretty anyways
12:41
<alkisg>
I heard that compiz provides smoother scrolling / moving of windows etc on good clients that support it
12:41
Didn't have a good client so far to test it with :)
12:42
<robehend1>
same here ;)
12:42
though one thing I am getting alot of, and I'm not sure why, is a hang at login
12:42
LDM loads up fine, logins go in fine, but I get a good 30 sec hang until I have a workable session and/or all libpam mounts
12:42
<alkisg>
dns?
12:43
<robehend1>
nope, local dns is workign fine. I've got the servers put right into the host file
12:43
<alkisg>
I've seen long timeouts when reverse dns fails
12:43
(the server some times needs to lookup the clients, ltsp151 etc)
12:43
<robehend1>
and nsswitch.conf is pointing to file dns, etc
12:43
hmm.
12:44
<alkisg>
Rastus: watch for any errors *except* for those about debconf passthrough
12:44
<Rastus>
I'm on it
12:45
<alkisg>
It looks like it's going to work this time :D
12:45
<Rastus>
It'd be nice....
12:46
<alkisg>
Those things run in your chroot now, and it seems that this is not affected by your downloading problem
12:46
<Rastus>
a short list of what you did so that I could repeat it would be great
12:46
<Gadi>
m4xx: again, type: xrandr in a terminal
12:46
<alkisg>
Rastus: I wonder if it's an apt setting in your server
12:46
<m4xx>
sorry
12:46
ok
12:46
<alkisg>
Rastus: mainly, I downloaded all the packages with aptitude download and put them in /var/cache/apt/archives so that ltsp-build-client --mount-package-cache would find them there
12:47
<Rastus>
OK
12:47
<Gadi>
chances are the converter is not allowing that output to get modes from the monitor
12:47
<Rastus>
I was following along and that was what I saw, but I was wondering if the earlier things you did made any difference
12:47
<alkisg>
Nope, those were just tries until I pinpointed the problem
12:48
<Rastus>
Good. I haven't totally lost it then :)
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<alkisg>
Hmm... maybe he has internet problems in general then :)
12:49
<m4xx>
http://pastebin.us/1793
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<Rastus>
OK - what just happened.
12:51
<alkisg>
No idea
12:51
<Gadi>
m4xx: there ya go
12:51
<alkisg>
(08:50:17 PM) Rastus left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection).
12:51
(08:50:41 PM) alkisg: Hmm... maybe he has internet problems in general then :)
12:52
<Gadi>
m4xx: DVI1 disconnected
12:52
<alkisg>
Rastus: is the installation continuing?
12:52
<Rastus>
alkisg: My monitor just went to standby and came back to a login screen
12:52
<m4xx>
is there anything i can do to get it to detect?
12:52
<Gadi>
m4xx: sure
12:52
<m4xx>
aside from using an actual dvi connection
12:52
<alkisg>
Rastus: urm. Never heard of x11vnc causing that one. Maybe totally unrelated...
12:52
<Gadi>
m4xx: right now, that monitor displays nothing, right?
12:53
<m4xx>
no, it displays a mirror
12:53
<Rastus>
Didn't do a full reboot. It was as if the login session just died
12:53
<alkisg>
Rastus: I'd reboot and run ltsp-build-client --mount-package-cache from scratch
12:53
Rastus: also check your ~/.xsession-errors
12:53
<m4xx>
would you like me to pastebin the script they gave me so you can see the full picture?
12:53
<Gadi>
m4xx: at the terminal, type: xrandr --output DVI1 --auto
12:53
<m4xx>
ok
12:54
<Rastus>
Thanks SO MUCH for all your time and help alkis. It is above and beyond the call of duty. I wish you well
12:54
<robehend1>
alkisg is a god of LTSP, i swear.
12:55
<alkisg>
:P you're welcome
12:55
<m4xx>
doesn't seem to have had any effect
12:55
<Gadi>
m4xx: and, you say that the screen resolution dialog doesn't give you much, right?
12:56
m4xx: what resolutions are you after?
12:56
<m4xx>
the script they gave me fixxed my resolution issue
12:56
<Gadi>
ok, let's see the script
12:56
<m4xx>
OK
12:56* Gadi waves to _UsUrPeR_ :)
12:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
woop back
12:57
sorry
12:57
<m4xx>
http://pastebin.us/1794
12:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: hello there
12:57
<Rastus>
I'll be back.
12:57
Thanks
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<Gadi>
m4xx: and do you have any lts.conf params defined for that client?
13:01
m4xx: if I were you, for dualhead, I would set specific entries in your lts.conf, so for example, for 1280x1024 on both displays, do something like:
13:01
[<MAC>]
13:02
X_VIRTUAL="2560 2560"
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<m4xx>
i tried that before the hack and it didnt work
13:02
<Gadi>
XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 = "VGA1"
13:02
<m4xx>
he said because it uses the ldvs
13:02
<Gadi>
XRANDR_MODE_0 = 1280x1024
13:02
XRANDR_OUTPUT_1 = "DVI1"
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<m4xx>
DVI1 did not exist befor the hack
13:03
it showed up as LDVS1
13:03
<Gadi>
(or XRANDR_OUTPUT_1 = "DVI1 --left-of VGA1")
13:03
XRANDR_MODE_1 = 1280x1024
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<m4xx>
and that this client is detected as a netbook or something similar so it thinks there is a built in monitor
13:04
<Gadi>
m4xx: right, so now that you have xrandr displaying the right outputs, go ahead and set them properly
13:04
<m4xx>
OK will do
13:05
<Gadi>
The only twist you have here is your DVI->VGA converter which makes the DVI look disconnected
13:06
<m4xx>
updated image, rebooting now
13:06
<Gadi>
you dont need to update the image
13:06
only the lts.conf
13:06
it gets tftp'd
13:06
on boot
13:07* Gadi aassumes u are editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i286/lts.conf
13:07
<Gadi>
er, i386
13:07
:)
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13:08* _UsUrPeR_ reads above
13:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
s/i286/i386
13:08
<m4xx>
yes
13:08
oops
13:08
no i was editing /opt/ltsp/i386 ...
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<Gadi>
rookie mistake, happens to everyone
13:09
:)
13:09
<robehend1>
i wanna see a 286 running LTSP now, Gadi
13:09
<m4xx>
lol
13:09
Gadi: no effect :( still mirrored
13:10
<Gadi>
yo mama's thin client's so fat, when she sees a 286 running LTSP, she changes the channel
13:10
m4xx: type xrandr in a terminal again
13:10
let's see what it tells us
13:10
<m4xx>
same as last
13:11
<Gadi>
run: ltsp-localapps xterm
13:11
<m4xx>
yes
13:11
that's what i did
13:11
output is the same =[
13:11
<Gadi>
and in the xterm, type: cp /var/log/Xorg.7.log ~/
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<Gadi>
then paste the Xorg log file to pastebin from ur homedir
13:12
ooh
13:13
nm
13:13
yes, paste it
13:14
<m4xx>
http://pastebin.us/1795
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<Gadi>
and can you also:
13:17
(in the xterm)
13:17
cp /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf ~/
13:17
and paste that
13:17
<m4xx>
sure
13:18
http://pastebin.us/1796
13:20
<Gadi>
aha!
13:20
his little patch backfired on ya!
13:22
<m4xx>
any ideas?
13:23* _UsUrPeR_ re-reads above
13:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
13:23
m4xx: sorry if I missed this, but what client are you using?
13:24
<m4xx>
ltsp 1720
13:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
and what's going on?
13:24
having problems with resolutions?
13:24
<m4xx>
trying to use dual monitors one vga, one dvi to vga
13:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
did I just speak to you on the phone? :)
13:25
<m4xx>
perhaps =]
13:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
(it's joel from DLW)
13:25
<m4xx>
yes sir
13:25
i believe so :)
13:25
<robehend1>
i've been meaning to call DLW..time to get some price checks ;)
13:26
<m4xx>
once i get this small glitch fixxed i will be extremely happy :)
13:26
<robehend1>
we're looking at a school wide deployment, as soon as I figure out how I would use the windows-only testing software on LTSP..
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
13:28
<Gadi>
m4xx: try removing the hack, rerolling the image, and use this in lts.conf: http://pastebin.us/1797
13:28
(remove hack with: sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/XS20-xserver-intel-desktop-hack)
13:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: can we somehow get that script (or just the model number) integrated in to an ltsp release?
13:31
having to send that script out to people is making me sad :)
13:31
<Gadi>
sure
13:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
that would be awesome
13:32
<robehend1>
so, anyone seen this new Userful Multiseat 2011 thats in beta now?
13:32
<Gadi>
but, if it doesn't let dual monitors work, maybe you want a better hack
13:32
:)
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: regardless, LVDS needs to be disabled on this chipset, or the box is nigh-useless
13:33
and it does with (and quite well I might add) when an actual DVI monitor is plugged in, and capable of being detected by the client
13:35
<Gadi>
bbiab
13:35
meeting
13:38
<cliebow>
blah..blahblah
13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
cliebow: have you watched "Arrested Development"?
13:41
there's a character played by the guy from "Charles in Charge" named "Bob Loblaw". He was an attorney
13:42
<alkisg>
robehend1: nice video, it mostly applies to LTSP as well :)
13:42
(the userful video)
13:43
<cliebow>
_UsUrPeR_, sorry..i am out of the loop movie-wise..but i will try to netflick it for the hell of it tonight.
13:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
this was a TV show from 2005. no big deal. It's a cult following
13:44
<cliebow>
i see..i knid of lost touch with tv when i built the new house...and had no reception
13:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
:)
13:46
I just saw you had typed "blah...blahblah" and it reminded me of it
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<alkisg>
Rastus_TS_Client: success, I assume?
13:47
<Rastus_TS_Client>
Ahhh - you picked up on that did you?
13:47
:D
13:47
<alkisg>
;)
13:47
<Rastus_TS_Client>
Very, very happy little camper over here.
13:47
Thanks SO much for your help.
13:47
<alkisg>
np - you still need to find out what the download problem is, though
13:47
<robehend1>
alkisg: i thought that as soon as I saw it. I think the secret is there 'fancy' usb thin client
13:48
<Rastus_TS_Client>
Logged in just to tell everyone that you are brilliant and I appreciate the effort.
13:48
<alkisg>
robehend1: I think that's multiseat, not thin clients, i.e. no local network involved
13:48
<Rastus_TS_Client>
Yes - that download issue is a puzzler.
13:49
<robehend1>
alkisg: True. i wonder what their pricing is, just for curiosity's sake. and I hope they put a gig nic in that host machine, as it's network will tremble at 10 kids on Flash games
13:49
<Rastus_TS_Client>
I'll take your suggestion and change DNS servers and see if that makes a difference
13:49
<alkisg>
robehend1: For n-computing, the windows version, I read that it only supports about 15 mbps of video, and no 3d apps, so ltsp is better as it can easily send 100mbps of video to each client
13:49
<robehend1>
alkisg: I have N-computing here in my district, so I can state openly that it is a horrendous peice of hardware/software
13:50
<alkisg>
robehend1: ah, some teachers here were interested on that, can you give me a few comments? just 2-3 lines to tell them... :)
13:51
<robehend1>
alkisg: Well, if they use Flash/shockwave based systems, be prepared for loading, loading, loading. Boot times number in minutes, not seconds. Also, Windows updates are a no-no, as every 3 months like clockwork a win. update breaks V-space, the key to N-computing
13:51
alkisg: Oh. And randomly the cards will fail, dropping 5 workstations.
13:51
<alkisg>
Heh. Very very nice description, I think that'll be convincing :)
13:51
<robehend1>
alkisg: I'm a beta tester for their systems, so i've worked with all the L, X, and U series, and can go more in depth privately if you prefer.
13:52
<Rastus_TS_Client>
Good afternoon all. Thanks again Alkis.
13:52
<alkisg>
No no that will be more than enough :)
13:52
Bye Rastus
13:52
<robehend1>
buh-byte
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<m4xx>
still no joy =[
13:53
damn it he left ;[
13:54
<Rastus>
I'm leaving again....
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<robehend1>
so i had another one of my "Linux is bad and you should feel bad for making our kids use it" lectures today from a parent
13:55
Gosh I love them
13:56
<m4xx>
did you ask them to kindly remove their head from their ass befor they speak to you?
13:56
<robehend1>
it more boiled down into "Why is it bad", and their answer was " Tried Ubuntu 6.01 and it sucked!"
13:57
followed by the ever present "it kept asking for my password to change things, and I hated that!"
13:57
<m4xx>
did you ask them if they've tried vista?
13:57
<robehend1>
oh no. they want win 7
13:57
<muppis>
robehend1, did they said when they tried it?
13:57
<robehend1>
everywhere
13:57
Nope, no time frame was given, and i didnt want to start that fight.
13:58
then, to round out the evening, i recieved the "Our kids arent learning what they'll use in the real world! What are they going to do after high school?!"
13:58
<m4xx>
hmm, main pannel doesn't show when logging in =\\
14:00
<muppis>
robehend1, sounds like they trust to MS like to bedrock.
14:01
<robehend1>
muppis: Pretty much. Funny thing is, they use Google Apps for the majority of their work..
14:01
<muppis>
Yet another Giant..
14:01
<robehend1>
I've got no qualms with Google. I accept they read my data, and frankly am fine with it
14:03
<muppis>
I'm fien with that they index my search behaviour. But ads to my contacts go over. I use Gmail everyday basis, but only over IMAPS.
14:03
<robehend1>
ah. Luckily, Google Apps for EDU allows you to strip the ads out
14:03
<muppis>
Good.
14:06
I must admit. I'm now using XP's printing wizard for printing pics from my kids. Had no time to learn same tricks in Ubuntu and I cheat XP with HP's settings a little bit.
14:06
<robehend1>
ya, its a pretty sweet deal for education. heck, for the windows machines, i replaced the Start>Programs>office>Openoffice with Start>Programs>Office>Google Docs
14:09
<Pweg>
wow, that's really slick actually, I'd love to be able to do that for the users here that are stuck with windows.
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<robehend1>
oh, its pretty simple.
14:10
Just make a shortcut to https://docs.google.com/a/yourdomainhere.com/?action=newdoc and put it in the start menu list
14:11
<Pweg>
I never would have thought of that, thanks :)
14:11
<robehend1>
and it'll launch your default web browswer, ask you to login, and BOOM, new google doc
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ha dont thank me. it's a trick i got from Lifehacker
14:12
<Pweg>
That's awesome, haha.
14:12
<robehend1>
and hers to hoping I can get a free CR-48 from Google to try out the Chrome OS, and then steal the ideas from there and roll into my LTSP setup
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<Pweg>
yeah, my fingers are still crossed for one, so far I think they've shipped something around 60,000
14:13
<robehend1>
I wish they would tell you if you've been selected, but all I hear is people randomly have one dropped off
14:13
<Pweg>
ah, guess I can stop refreshing my email compulsively then
14:13
<robehend1>
ha, me as well
14:14
i'm interested in Chrome OS, sure.
14:14
But i'd also *love* a free hackable netbook..
14:14
<Pweg>
ditto, hehe
14:14
<robehend1>
espicially a sexy, non-branded, almost OEM looking one.
14:15
<Pweg>
I was worried about how the plastic would turn out, but so far reviews have been pretty positive
14:15
<robehend1>
google doesnt do anything cheap, these days.
14:15
<Pweg>
true that, waiting excitedly for Google IO tickets to go up too
14:16
<robehend1>
Google IO?
14:16
<cliebow>
like Cool io but for Google
14:16
<robehend1>
not familiar. is it some bookmarking service?
14:16
<Pweg>
nah, it's basically their annual dev conference
14:17
<robehend1>
oh...
14:17
i doubt i could get tickets to that put on my expense account ha
14:17
<Pweg>
it's a 2 day conference, tickets are around $400 I think
14:17
<robehend1>
its the travel thats no fun
14:17
I already had to travel for my G-apps teacher academy, so i doubt i get it again
14:18
<Pweg>
yeah, I hear you on that, hehe
14:20
everybody that goes gets something for free, I think last year was a Nexus One, they just gave all their developers a new Google TV a few months ago, I think speculation is that this time it's going to be the netbook
14:20
<robehend1>
gosh i'd love a nexus one. my Hero isnt cutting it, even with custom roms
14:21
<Pweg>
isn't that a relatively new model too?
14:21
<robehend1>
about a year old
14:21
but its not being updated past 2.1
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<Pweg>
ah, sad
14:22
<robehend1>
thats what custom roms are for, luckily
14:22
<Pweg>
hehe
14:22
hoping for a Nexus 2 then?
14:23
<robehend1>
ha, i'm on sprint, i'm hoping for anything
14:23
<Pweg>
haha
14:26
ah, lunch time has finally arrived. :) Nice chatting with you
14:27
<robehend1>
see ya!
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14:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
having some localapps sound problems
14:46
<robehend1>
whats goin on?
14:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am getting an error stating that alsa is not able to find the specified sound card, though in the shell, i am able to see the sound card with "alsamixer". Here's the output from firefox when I attempt to play a youtube video: http://pastebin.com/Uq0RQjGj
14:47
in my lts.conf, I have "sound=false"
14:47
and firefox is running as a localapp
14:47
<robehend1>
not sure. but does sound-false disable it's detection of a sound card for pulse?
14:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
robehend1: correct. It settles any conflict problems between ltsp and the local hardware
14:48
by disabling all sound output via LTSP
14:48
<robehend1>
hmm
14:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
now, I can guarantee sound would work if sound=false were taken out of the equation, but it would not work for localapps, which I value more than system sounds
14:49
<robehend1>
Well, see, thats the weird part. i've got sound for LocalApps and server apps, and i've got no sound=* tags in my lts.conf
14:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
and that would still not allow sound to play with flash if the program were being run as a localapp
14:49
robehend1: the real question is, are you certain your programs are being run locally? :)
14:50
<robehend1>
_UsUrPeR_: yep, since flash is only installed in the chroot and not the server ;)
14:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
robehend1: is firefox installed on both the server and the client?
14:50
<robehend1>
yes.
14:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
robehend1: to be specific, if you run (in terminal) "ltsp-localapps xterm" then run "top" in the subsequent window which appears, it shows that flash is running on the client.
14:51
it would be apparent by the amount of proc power being used on the client
14:51
<robehend1>
i could hop onto a client and check, but it'd have to wait a solid 30 min for my last class to exit ;)
14:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
typically, with the smallish procs inside clients, it would result in ~80 - 100% usage
14:52
<robehend1>
all I know is that anytime i check Htop on the server, there are no firefox procs running at all
14:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
robehend1: I would be intrigued to find your results
14:52
typically, I install firefox, flash, and java all on the same client installation
14:53
<robehend1>
same here
14:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
and use locap_apps_menu = true to ensure that xprop is propagated to all client users
14:53
gadi / alkisg: any ideas? ^^
14:54
<robehend1>
see, i build all my menus, and make sure the ltsp-localapps tag is always in there.
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14:58
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I'm not much of a sound expert, and I don't use localapps, but I think since lucid alsa apps and pulse apps can coexist so I don't think sound=false is needed...
15:01
Did disabling compiz solve your login issues?
15:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: yeah. again.
15:05
I guess a server update blew away the settings I put in there originally
15:05
<alkisg>
ok
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: so sound=false is no longer required in 10.04 or 10.10 or both?
15:06
<alkisg>
I *think* both. I'm not using localapps so I can't say for sure...
15:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
did not expect that issue to ever be resolved. That's good news
15:07
and another pita that doesn't have to be worked around when using ltsp for SIP devices! :D
15:07
<robehend1>
i love using it as SIP
15:07
<alkisg>
Well channeling sound through network does have a delay though
15:07
And might even have some distorsion... localapps are better for sound apps
15:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
I agree. How is that differentiated?
15:07
<robehend1>
not much worse than a usual voip phone
15:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
is that just localapps or non-localapps and that's it?
15:21
<robehend1>
I have a random, nonltsp question, but who knows, you guys might be able to help
15:22
That mosquito ringtone for cellphones, the one that as you get older you lose the ability to hear..any idea how to counteract students using it to text all the time in our..ahem..more mature teacher's rooms?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
robehend1: disallow phones in school with a confiscation policy as a result along with a note to the child's parents?
15:37
<robehend1>
whoa whoa whoa.
15:37
your talking logi
15:37
logic*
15:37
this is a k-12 school here
15:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
...flamethrowers? :)
15:37
<robehend1>
We've gotta build a committee, have a parent meeting, discuss as a staff, and then decide theres nothing we can do 9 months later first!
15:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
not quite sure how that will fix anything, but... ya know.
15:38
my hs had a "no cell phone" policy
15:38
<robehend1>
thats what i'm gonna suggest
15:38
i'm terrified of a pic in the locker rooms, afterall
15:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am too. I'm all pasty and out-of-shape. no one needs to see that.
15:38
<robehend1>
i dont need *more* students after me
15:39
i find it funny though. I walked by a clasroom today and heard the ringtone, the teacher, 45 years old, was blissfully unaware
15:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
cell phone interdictors like they use in secret clearence DoD installations?
15:39
...with flame throwers attached
15:39
<robehend1>
sadly illegal in MN public areas
15:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
whaaaaat?
15:39
oh, I've got it
15:39
<robehend1>
state funded is a no no, invasion of privacy
15:40
i tried, oh god did i try
15:40
i wanted a jammer though
15:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
set up a wireless cell repeater in the school, and then forward all calls coming to it to a horrible 1-900 number
15:40
being the closest tower, it will be used first
15:40
...and also attach a flamethrower to that
15:40
just "for good measure"
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15:42
<robehend1>
also illegal, sadly
15:42
though we did it as a demonstration once, kids freaked
15:43
mostly cuz we hooked the fake tower into a projector, and had it display the numbers attempting to dial out
15:44
fricken cyber security laws
15:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
bummer
15:47
Perhaps failing children who misbehave would be a good way to do it
15:47
<robehend1>
But..no children can be left behind!
15:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
bs. there's thousands left behind of their own volition
15:47
<robehend1>
but we cant leave them behind either!
15:47
we've gotta get them an indiviual education plan and drag them kicking and screaming until they drop out!
15:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
this is why private schools exist :)
15:48
I can tell we are both jaded
15:48
<robehend1>
nearest private is 130 miles from me, sadly
15:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
holy carp where are you?
15:48
<robehend1>
Minnesota
15:48
aka, the land god shat on
15:49
we have one charter school around, but it has 70 kids enrolled
15:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
huh. how's the weather over there?
15:50
<robehend1>
currently -4 degrees with a 15 mph wind
15:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
it's pretty awful in Michigan. I am guessing 3x that
15:50
<robehend1>
nah, i'm far away from the lake, so i dont have the bitter chill of death
15:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
well that's good then
15:52
<robehend1>
mhmm
15:52
looks like i'm building some tone frequency detectors for classrooms
15:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
so any luck figuring out your localapps situation?
15:53
<robehend1>
havent had a chance, not since this latest debacle. lemme remote in
15:53
what am i looking for again?
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<robehend1>
i've got firefox up on a client, and by running top in a local xterm, i can see it using the crappy, crappy celeron processor
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<m4xx>
welcome back Gadi ;]
16:07
<Gadi>
thx
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:)
16:08
what'd I miss?
16:08
<m4xx>
whole lot of nothing aside from me pulling my hair out ;]
16:09
<Gadi>
m4xx: dualhead still?
16:10
<m4xx>
as well as other non ltsp related things ;]
16:14* Gadi is happy to not be the only one who tears his hair out :)
16:14
<Gadi>
for me today it was mainly the crappiness of rdesktop and seamlessrdp
16:15
any of you folks have the pleasure of seamlessrdp against a w2k8 terminal server?
16:16
_UsUrPeR_: did you ask me something earlier?
16:17* Gadi thinks he rushed out too quickly
16:24
<mistik1>
hey guys
16:25
<Gadi>
mistik1: !!
16:25* mistik1 wonders if he install LTSP these days :)
16:25
<Gadi>
any snow in Jamaica? ;)
16:25
<mistik1>
Not a bit :)
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<mistik1>
Its cold today though
16:26
<Gadi>
so much for your bobsled team ;)
16:26
<mistik1>
Well cold for us
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<Gadi>
brb
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<momelod>
greetings channel
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<momelod>
can anyone direct me to instructions on installing software globally among all the diskless clients?
18:07
ie, i would like to install via repos `apt-get install openssh-server` and have ssh service running on all thinclients
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