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Channel log from 28 January 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<coordinador>
WOW! youtube html5 in gnome-chrome locally runs so smooth and with 50%cpu only
09:22
but apparently with no sound :S
09:23
i think is only terminal issue
09:25
<ogra>
teach the kids to whistle ... makes noise too
09:25
<sbalneav>
coordinador: As we've said. The problem is flash.
09:26
<ogra>
he's not using flash
09:26
<pem725>
alkisg: thanks for the clarification for dhcp3-server.
09:26
I believe a cable might have been knocked out of place.
09:27
<sbalneav>
ogra: yeah, but he's HAD problems with flash in the past :)
09:27
He doesn't with html 5
09:27
<ogra>
which is apparently why he switched to html5 :)
09:28
<coordinador>
yes
09:28
i m using youtube.com/html5
09:28
it works flawlessly
09:29
<sbalneav>
right.
09:30
So my point stands. Flash sucks :)
09:30
<ogra>
i didnt disagree :)
09:30
<sbalneav>
Excellent! Then lets head to the bar for a beer!
09:31
:)
09:31
<ogra>
yeah !
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<gnunux>
gnome-chrome-beta = google chrome ?
09:32* sbalneav and ogra toddle arm in arm off the the bar.
09:32
<ogra>
:)
09:32
<gnunux>
there is no freesoftware that can play videos from youtube.com/html5
09:33
that evil
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09:34
<Appiah>
eeh
09:34
what
09:34
isnt firefox free?
09:34
<ogra>
h.264 isnt
09:35
<gnunux>
firefox and chromium did not work with youtube.com/html5
09:35
google sucks
09:35
<Appiah>
chrome works
09:35
<sbalneav>
bumper-chrome-1.0 = 1959 Cadillac Eldorado
09:35
<ogra>
you need the h.264 codec installed
09:35
<Appiah>
for me
09:35
but then again I'm not on linux atm
09:35
<ogra>
it doesnt work with free codecs
09:35
<coordinador>
yes, that is the problem, there is not h.264 codec for firefox because its too expensive :(
09:35
<gnunux>
Appiah: yes but that not a freesoftware
09:36
<coordinador>
the x264 is only to encode right?
09:36
<Appiah>
Are you still talking about h264 or chrome?
09:36
<gnunux>
i'm speaking about html5 in youtube
09:37
you can't use freesoftware on that site
09:37
<ogra>
you can, you just wont see any movies :)
09:37
<Appiah>
you said "that not a free software" which software were you refeering to?
09:37
<ogra>
the video codec
09:38
<gnunux>
i'm speaking about web browser (chromium, firefox, konqueror, ...)
09:38
<Appiah>
ok
09:38
:)
09:38
<gnunux>
google choose codec with a lot of patent
09:38
<coordinador>
the only possible h264 compatible free codec i think is x264 but i think is only to encode
09:38
<gnunux>
that means ... no freesoftware
09:38
<coordinador>
yes
09:39
<gnunux>
coordinador: the free codec is illegal in some countries
09:39
<coordinador>
:O
09:39
why?
09:39
<Appiah>
which one?
09:40
<gnunux>
coordinador: patents
09:40
<coordinador>
but.. its free ... :S
09:40
<gnunux>
you need buy a license i you use it
09:40
<Appiah>
that does not sound like its "free" to me
09:41
<coordinador>
free as $0 or free as libre?
09:41
<sbalneav>
Free as in beer != Free as in Freedom
09:41* ogra hands sbalneav some popcorn ... funny how they run in circles, isnt it ?
09:41
<gnunux>
-> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2010/01/html5-video-and-h-264-what-history-tells-us-and-why-were-standing-with-the-web/
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<elias_a>
Free as in the semantics of the concept in languages that do not make the libre/gratis distinction... ;-)
09:53
It is really sad that copyleft was invented in an English speaking country... :P
09:53
<Appiah>
:)
09:55
<elias_a>
Appiah: Är du svensk?
09:55
<Appiah>
yupp
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<coordinador>
lol
09:57* alkisg thinks everyone here should start saying "good morning" in his own language... in a few days we'll all be multilingual :D
09:57
<coordinador>
elias_a, in svenska does exist the free =/= difference?
09:57
*free / gratis
09:59
<Appiah>
well people say "det är gratis" (gratis as in no cost) when speaking of opensource instead of saying "det är fritt" (its free)
09:59
<elias_a>
coordinador: Yes it does.
10:00
And in my native language Finnish there is, too.
10:00
But again, neither of the two are morphologically and syntactically as oversimplified as English is :P
10:01
I guess this is enough for flames for today :P
10:02
<sbalneav>
elias_a: So, what was stopping non-english speaking country from developing the gnu licence? :)
10:09
<alkisg>
Hmmm I'm thinking "computers".... yeah, the lack of those must have been the problem :P
10:09
<ogra>
they didnt have a stallman
10:11
<highvoltage>
heh
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<sbalneav>
elias_a: You want stallman? A bunch of us would gladly ship him to you!
10:16
Like his licence
10:16
Detest the person :)
10:17
<highvoltage>
you can do worse
10:19
<sbalneav>
highvoltage: Ever met the guy personally?
10:19
I've seen him several times.
10:20
He's idolized down in brazil. They love him down there.
10:20
<highvoltage>
sbalneav: closest
10:20
sbalneav: closest I've been was about 3 meters
10:20
<sbalneav>
He charges *individual people* $5 american to have their picture taken with him.
10:20
<highvoltage>
(was close enough)
10:20
sbalneav: rofl
10:20
<sbalneav>
Now MadDog Jon Hall, *THERE*'s a class act
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<sbalneav>
Always stops to talk to people, friendly as hell.
10:21
<highvoltage>
yeah I have lots of pictures with maddog that I didn't have to pay a cent for
10:21
<sbalneav>
yeah.
10:21
<highvoltage>
and it's maddog not MadDog :)
10:21
<sbalneav>
ah, yeah
10:21
<highvoltage>
he explained that to me twice
10:21
<johnny>
i've met him sorta.. he talked at our bookfair..
10:21
stallman i mean.
10:21
<sbalneav>
I always tend to hyper-capitalize
10:22
<highvoltage>
HyperCapitilize!
10:22
<sbalneav>
HyPeRcApItAlIzE
10:24
<ogra>
oh, a wikified maddof
10:24
*maddog
10:25
<Appiah>
17:20 < sbalneav> He charges *individual people* $5 american to have their picture taken with him.
10:25
thats a joke right?
10:25
<ogra>
yeah, he raised it to $10 recently
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<Appiah>
:D
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<ogra>
(no, its no joke, my line was)
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<sbalneav>
Appiah: No, I'm dead freaking serious.
10:32
<highvoltage>
if you donate enough to the FSF he also records a message for your voicemail
10:32
of your choice
10:32
<sbalneav>
lol
10:33
My voice is nasal enough, I don't need his twang on my VM :)
10:33* ogra would donate $1000 just to have him say "i'm richard stallman i'm a greedy ass"
10:33
<highvoltage>
voicemail is so 90's :)
10:33
<sbalneav>
LOL
10:33
<highvoltage>
ogra: oh I'm sure he'll do that for you for just a $100
10:33
<ogra>
i could sell that as mp3 for more than $1000 i bet
10:33
<highvoltage>
ogra: profit!
10:33
<ogra>
yeah
10:34
sell it to 1000 ppl for $10 then :)
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<Appiah>
O_o
10:41
spammers
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<sbalneav>
You know the old joke, right? Rich guy asks a woman at a party, "Would you sleep with me for $1,000,000?" Woman replies "Yeah, I probably would.". Rich guy says "How about $20?" Woman says "No! What do you take me for?!" Man says, "We already know what you are, now we're just haggling over the price". That kinda reminds me of stallman.
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<jammcq>
bom dia friends
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<sbalneav>
!j
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "j" :: jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Pod21>
hi, any links to info on using two monitors on a client?
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<Gadi>
Pod21: if you have an xrandr-enabled driver, you should be able to simply specify: X_VIRTUAL = "2048 2048" (for 2 x 1024x768 screen)
11:18
<Pod21>
cool, thanks
11:18
I'll try that now
11:18
<Gadi>
if your driver doesnt cooperate, it can get a little more tricky :)
11:18
which driver are you using?
11:19
<Pod21>
it's an nvidia card, but as this is running rdesktop, I can't be sure which one
11:19
<Gadi>
using nvidia dirvers or nv?
11:19
*drivers
11:20
<Pod21>
how would I tell? there doesn't seem to be an xorg.conf file to look at
11:21
<Gadi>
if you get a shell on the client, all the info you will need as you go will be in /var/log/X*log
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<Pod21>
aha, the trick is knowing where to look. It's the nv driver
11:24* Gadi has little experience with nvidia in general, so if you run into problems, you might want to google the right settings for nvidia nad dual monitors, and then we can tell you how to get that in lts.conf
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<Pod21>
I'm googling now :)
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<Lns>
Anyone seen http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ ? ENBD? :)
13:35
<vagrantc>
don't believe it's in-kernel, though
13:35* alkisg would prefer something that did not need compression...
13:35
<alkisg>
...or, better yet, something that could be used as a disk from vbox :D
13:36
<Lns>
what caught my eye was this: "automatic restart, authentication, reconnect and recovery by the user space daemons, and now (in enbd post-2.4.27)"
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<alkisg>
what caught my eye was "important changes in ENBD with respect to the standard NBD kernel driver are"
13:37
respect to the standard NBD kernel driver!!!
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<Lns>
?
13:38
<alkisg>
Doesn't that mean that we can use it without waiting for it to be in-kernel?
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Or is it just a scheme of speech, and he is just comparing those two?
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<Lns>
he's comparing them i think
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<alkisg>
:(
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<stgraber>
alkisg: the issue with current nbd is the kernel module, not the server ...
13:44
<alkisg>
...and I suppose it's hard to send patches upstream, right? :-/
13:44
<stgraber>
alkisg: and changing the kernel module isn't exactly easy, that's why we wrote nbd-proxy as a userspace daemon on the thin client instead of moving to one of the nbd alternatives
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alkisg: it's not hard to send patches, the issue is the time to wait until we have a new linux kernel with the change
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whereas I can get a userland daemon in Ubuntu in a matter of minute
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<alkisg>
Ah, got it. It'd be nice though to have a stable, fast nbd with proper read/write support (like a tmpfs)
13:46
I think it already supports that, but it's somewhat broken?
13:47
Anyway... if I were to invest in something, I'd invest in .vdi images :D
13:47
<vagrantc>
stgraber: you can't get patches into the ubuntu kernel?
13:48* alkisg thinks about doing "apt-get install ltsp-client" in a standard vbox guest in the future, and voila, an ltsp fat client up and running :D
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: I can, but not easily for 2.6.32
13:50
vagrantc: the idea with nbd-proxy was to quickly fix the issue and have a base for future load-balancing and other features we might need. Then if I can get another funding for it, we'll get it in the kernel.
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vagrantc: (the two guys who worked on nbd-proxy are actually our kernel developers ;))
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: i can see why you might go that way, sure...
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<alincoln>
is there a method to the numbering of ltsp-build-client plugins? it can't be strictly order, since there are hooks going at different times.
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<vagrantc>
should be alpha-numeric
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each plugin is called multiple times during the process, and should be written to behave appropriately
14:12
<alincoln>
vagrantc: right, but how would i know what number to choose if i wrote a new one?
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<vagrantc>
alincoln: look at the other plugins?
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<alincoln>
like do packaging stuff with 030, since the other 030 plugins are packaging?
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<vagrantc>
alincoln: maybe. depends on what exactly you're doing.
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<alincoln>
ok. i'm kinda thinking ahead/broadly
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<vagrantc>
alincoln: so, what are you trying to accomplish
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<alincoln>
vagrantc: i want a way to specify a .deb file to build-client and have it installed in the chroot. i realize you have to be careful about any new dependencies, and if it's replacing something already installed by apt, the versioning has to be right
14:15
<vagrantc>
just make a repository and use --extra-mirror.
14:16
alkisg: this sounds suspiciously like that conversation we had a while back :)
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<alincoln>
uh oh. :P
14:16
<vagrantc>
you al* nicks are all alike.
14:16
<alincoln>
hehe
14:17
vagrantc: do you think adding .debs in is just too messy?
14:17
i mean, if it worked, wouldn't it be easier than setting up a repo for yourself?
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<vagrantc>
maybe, but the number of times that it won't work properly is almost always going to be more than you expect :P
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<alincoln>
yeah. it's kind of on the borderline imo
14:19
not super-useful-for-all but useful
14:20
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's why i didn't want to see it upstream
14:20
though we have the plugin infrastructure so that people are free to shoot themselves in the foot :)
14:20
<alincoln>
heh
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<vagrantc>
and sometimes that's exactly what's needed :)
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14:27* alkisg just read the backlog... heh :)
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<alkisg>
I really think that a collection of plugins, not good or general-purpose enough to make it upstream, but still useful in some cases, would be much appreciated by the community...
14:29
Also, a small document for new plugin writers would be nice to have
14:29
<elias_a>
I also read :D
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<alkisg>
Like a map with the most significant "milestones" for plugins...
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<alincoln>
alkisg: i've seen contrib areas in other projects for exactly that
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<emonemo3>
hi
14:53
im enquiring to see if there is a copy of k12 linux that i can download to disc to be able to install on a fedora12 os
14:54
this is due to not having an avilable internet access at the college i am at as the college will not allow us to use their network plus extensions are blocked by policies
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<johnny>
emonemo3, ask k12 people
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we don't know
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<emonemo3>
where can i find them their site told me to come here
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<johnny>
#k12linux
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i think
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<emonemo3>
kk thanks
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<emonemo3>
hi is it possible to download a copy of ltsp 5 as an rpm package and install onto a machine
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??
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<Gadi>
emonemo3: LTSP5 builds the chroot from the OS packages, so if you download a k12linuxCD, you should be able to use it to install ltsp-server package and build the chroot
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<emonemo3>
thng is i want tom install ltsp on top of fedora 12
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<Gadi>
right
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so, the CD should have lots of roms on it
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er, rpms
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including ltsp-server (or whatever fedora calls the package)
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<emonemo3>
but problem is i have to find the packages first as the machine im installing on has no internet connection and is not allowed to due to college rules
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<Gadi>
the packages are on the CD
16:22
<emonemo3>
what the fedora 12 iso image
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<Gadi>
well, the k12linux iso image based on fedora12 would definitely have it
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<emonemo3>
its not based on fedora 12 it uses 11 and its only a beta
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<emonemo3>
and very very buggy
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<Gadi>
ah
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<emonemo3>
what would you suggest
16:24
<Gadi>
hmm....
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<emonemo3>
should i download the ltsp 4 packages instead
16:24
<Gadi>
nah
16:24
<emonemo3>
why not
16:24
<Gadi>
so, its buggy on f11 or f12?
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<johnny>
nobody can help you with ltsp4.. it's outdated, much new stuff won't work with it
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<emonemo3>
f11 as the k12 linux edition of ltsp has not been updated for a very long time i think its been stopped
16:25
<johnny>
emonemo3, just get fedora12
16:25
<emonemo3>
ok wells lets stick with ltsp 5
16:25
<johnny>
and install the ltsp packages
16:25
<emonemo3>
ok ive got fedora 12
16:25
<johnny>
get the rpms on a usb stick if necessary
16:25
done
16:25
<emonemo3>
yes but that requires an internet connection that i do not have lol]
16:25
<Gadi>
unless its ltsp that is buggy?
16:26* Gadi knows not the state of ltsp on fedora
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<emonemo3>
nope it was the beta version of f11 they used
16:26
<Gadi>
but, another approach....
16:26
<emonemo3>
yes?
16:26
<Gadi>
run ubuntu in a virtual machine just for ltsp
16:26
<emonemo3>
im begining to get desperate lol
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<Gadi>
and when it boots, have it use the fedora box as an application server only
16:27
remember, there's a difference between the boot server and the application server
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<emonemo3>
wont work need to download the packages via terminal which requires an internet connection
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<Gadi>
you can build the chroot from the CD
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(I think)
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<emonemo3>
ok i understanbd that kind of but where do i get the copy of ltsp
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<Gadi>
I think u are confused a bit
16:28
<emonemo3>
yes i probaby am
16:28
lol
16:28
:(
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<Gadi>
in ltsp5, the chroot doesn't come as a big blob
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like in ltsp <5
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<emonemo3>
ok isnt it like loads of different files though
16:29
<Gadi>
instead, ltsp5 builds the chroot from the packages of the OS it is installed on
16:29
<highvolt1ge>
you probably only want to use ltsp 4.x if you're using *really* old thin clients (and then you still don't really)
16:29
<Gadi>
so, you install a small package of tools, in ubuntu called "ltsp-server"
16:29
<emonemo3>
ok so it needs to be downloaded within the os in order for it to work
16:29
<Gadi>
this gives you a tool called ltsp-build-client
16:29
which goes out and builds the chroot from OS packages
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those packages are "downloaded" from a repo either on the internet or on CD
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(or USB stick)
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<emonemo3>
ok how do i get them for a cd
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<Gadi>
the distro CD usually has all the packages you need
16:30
for a base system
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<emonemo3>
but does fedora 12 come with it
16:31
so if it does have it already all i have to do is perform the ltsp-server-build
16:31
<Gadi>
great question - not sure
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<emonemo3>
but even if it had the ltsp packages would it need to get more from the internet
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<Gadi>
warren (mr. fedora round here) has spoken of a liveUSB stick and other such fun things
16:32
not sure if he was talking fedora12
16:32
the chroot can usually be built with packages from the OS CD
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<emonemo3>
so the os comers with the packages and i just use terminal to set ltsp up
16:33
so kind of like pre-installed?
16:33
but waiting to be activated?
16:33
<Gadi>
not exactly
16:33
<emonemo3>
explain?
16:33
<Gadi>
well, you need the ltsp-server package of tools
16:33
that may be on the CD or may not
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<emonemo3>
ah thats what i was afraid of
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<Gadi>
if the CD is one that can be used to make an ltsp machine (like k12linux) then it does for sure
16:34
otherwise, you may need to grab that rpm and its deps
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<Gadi>
but, once you have that installed,
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you can run: ltsp-build-client
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<emonemo3>
so you mean grab the k12linux rpm and deps
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<Gadi>
(you may need to pass a parameter to tell it to build from the CD)
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grab just the ltsp-server rpms and deps
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s/rpms/rpm/
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<emonemo3>
ok and where can i get them from
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<Gadi>
do you have an f12 machine connected to the internet somewhere?
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<emonemo3>
nope why
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<Gadi>
which machine is connected to the internet?
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<emonemo3>
none on the network im building the ltsp on
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not allowed
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<Gadi>
no, I mean right now
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<emonemo3>
im at home this comp has internet access
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lol
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<Gadi>
running f12?
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<emonemo3>
no lol
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<Gadi>
running linux?
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<emonemo3>
no
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vista
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and i hate it lol
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why did you have a plan of some kind lol
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<Gadi>
well, if you were on f12, you could just ask "yum" to fetch the rpms for you
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and copy them to a stick
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:)
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<emonemo3>
what and then burn them to disc?
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where would it save them to
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<Gadi>
is f12 a requirement for the project?
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<emonemo3>
well ive used ubuntu but requires internet right from installing the os
16:38
tried f10
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failed due to kernel errors
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<Gadi>
hold on a sec... lemme look something up...
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<emonemo3>
and f11 just wipped my drive on the comp being used in the network i set up at my college
16:39
ok
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<Gadi>
https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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so, you tried the liveUSB and it failed?
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<emonemo3>
no 10 did work but i got kernel failures dont know why and it would crash quite a lot plus i could never install other packages i had downloaded to put on it as they wernt compatible and support for it has stopped now
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<vagrantc>
so pulseaudio on my ltsp client started spamming syslog with a message about why you shouldn't use pulseaudio in system mode (which we do for LTSP)... it includes a URL explaining why.
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http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/WhatIsWrongWithSystemMode
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so i went there... figuring maybe there was some better way we should be doing it...
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and it says "System mode is around for usage on thin client or embedded setups"
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<johnny>
vagrantc, guess you need a --quiet on it
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or --ignore-system-mode-warning
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lol
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<vagrantc>
yeah, suppose so.
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hopefully there's an ignore to ignore that message.
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as it would probably be good to have most warnings displayed...
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there's also a handful of deprecated flags we use...
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<akuepker>
so, for today's shot in the dark...
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Any recommendations for gnome-friendly browsers that don't use SQLite?
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get up around 30 firefoxen running at once and the terminal servers get I/O bound.
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<tamere>
Hi there. I'm trying to have my terminals work with usb sticks, as described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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the automatic mount works just fine, although the user is not allowed to umount the stick
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with an error message saying something like "/media/username/USBSTICK is not in /etc/fstab and you are not root"
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any idea what's wrong ?
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<akuepker>
tamere: you running 9.10?
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<tamere>
no I'm running Debian Lenny
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<akuepker>
tamere: ah, I wouldn't be much help then. we didn't switch away from Fedora until Karmic so we're on ltsp5
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<tamere>
I'm using ltsp-server 5.1.10
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<akuepker>
hmm. 5.1.90 here. I'll go bounce my terminal and see if I can duplicate that behavior.
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<tamere>
thx
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<akuepker>
ok. I got the same message that you did. But that begs the question of why you're trying to umount them from the command line.
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<tamere>
sorry, I'm trying to umount them from the desktop with my mouse
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in gnome
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and this doesn't work
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<akuepker>
ah. In Karmic, you don't even get that option.
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<tamere>
so how they umount their sticks then ?
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<akuepker>
hasn't been a problem either, though.
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<tamere>
is it mounted in sync mode ?
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<akuepker>
they pull the stick out and the system umounts it.
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<tamere>
what about the datas being written while the stick is unplugged ?
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or I am too old fashioned ?
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;-)
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<akuepker>
they probably get an error if they did that. My users know that they'd get the "are you really that dumb" look though.
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<garymc>
yo, anyone tell me how i make my LTSP ubuntu server a working email server too?
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im already using it to host a website and its a LTSP too
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<akuepker>
garymc: the two are quite unrelated. they don't really have much to do with one another
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<garymc>
just thought i could host my website address emails there as my providor wants more money so I can have more email adresses so wanted to host them myself
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ok
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is it pretty simple to do?
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<akuepker>
garymc: that depends. this is definitely the wrong channel for that though, since the two are unrelated.
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<garymc>
as at the moment ive got gary@mydomain.com hosted elsewhere but www.mydomain.com points at my server in the office
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what channel should i goto?
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<akuepker>
the channel is probably the wrong place to start. You should check the Ubuntu Wiki first, I'd think.
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<garymc>
yeah i looked at that and it seems a little daunting
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so thought i would ask for some advice here. As my server is currently being used as a working server i dont want to mess anything up
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<akuepker>
tamere: it just spits out an error saying it couldn't write the file.
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<tamere>
ok. thanks for your time.
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and your help of course
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<akuepker>
np
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<akuepker>
garymc: you might want to check out Dovecot. There's a #dovecot channel, but I recommend reading up some first. Folks are rather impatient if you haven't made an effort at self-education and troubleshooting first.
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