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02:59
<calisto>
hi, have a problem ldm not loguin into , on the text login all ok, and startx works, the logger tellme ssh error, can help me
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12:35
<Chap>
Howdy chaps
12:52
I have a reproducible (what I think is) NBD error on a vanilla Trusty install. One client hangs at "Setting up nbd-client..." then throws a timeout and goes to busybox. This is after 2nd IP negotiation
12:54
If I stop/start nbd server (not restart) then the client will work once or twice
12:55
To continue debugging I'm doing so now. I'm adding transactionlog lines to the share in /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp-, and hopefully I can get the error to return with more logging.
12:56
If anyone knows already what this is, please sing out loud. This has plagued me for the last few weeks but I haven't seen any bug reports and I don't feel like I have enough info to file one yet.
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<Chap>
Well yuck. This client also has overheating issues. Have to wait for another to demonstrate the behavior.
13:13
Adding transactionlog to /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf does *not* create the requested transaction log.
13:16
<calisto>
hi all, how can create users in mi chrooted lpts? I create whth useradd I can loggin into the system from the console but not from ldm, can help me?
13:19
<gvy>
what do you want?
13:20
you log in as an ltsp chroot user locally at console; you log in via *dm as a terminal server user; it is as intended to me
13:21
<calisto>
gvy: from the boot machine on the net
13:21
not from the server
13:21
the log tell me ssh Critical
13:21
and restart ldm
13:22
<Chap>
calisto: Do you mean this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/CreateChrootAdminAcct?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryLtsp%5Cb%29 ?
13:22
<calisto>
from the client pc I can log in Alt+F1 and put user, pass and startx
13:23
<gvy>
it's things run locally at the client, yes
13:28
<calisto>
gvy I have local ltps server, and a lpts client (no disk, boot from the net) on te ltps client runs ldm y cant logguin from ldm, I can press Alt+F1, on the console put user, pass and eveithing ok, including startx
13:29
but I like loguin from ldm....
13:29
Chap: not is this link
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13:31
<Guest72108>
hi
13:31
<gvy>
calisto, start with the basics: read up on X clients and servers, understand what software runs at which computer in this client/server scheme, and what users are involved
13:32
figuring out 2*2 might be less easy until you have understood 2+2 first :-)
13:32
<Guest72108>
how can that clients run the same desktop xfce configuration?
13:32
the wallpaper, themes, icons, windows disposition..
13:35
<calisto>
gvy: on the ltps server runs:
13:35
ltps-chroot -a amd64
13:35
useradd -n pr
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passwd pr
13:35
<gvy>
Guest72108, is it something you observe or something you want to implement? (unclear to me)
13:35
calisto, this changes the environment for the client once it boots
13:36
<calisto>
and in the ltps-client machine I can login using ldm (are run) with the user "pr"
13:37
<Guest72108>
to implement
13:37
i like that the clients get the same desktop
13:38
but the configuration on xfce save in user's home
13:38
<calisto>
gvy: what you want tell me when you say "calisto, this changes the environment for the client once it boots"
13:39
Guest72108: In my test when a user personalice a desktop the changes are preserve
13:40
Guest72108: if you copy the xfce confuguration to another user have the same desktop config
13:40
<Guest72108>
Yes but what I want is that everyone has the same settings nothing but create the user
13:41
but if you have 20 users... copy every time you create a user?
13:42
<calisto>
if you no have ltsp and you need create 20 users on your computer, how solve the problem?
13:42
<Guest72108>
i think that can modify the default configuration on XFCE
13:42
<calisto>
ok its the same
13:42
on ltsp
13:43
<Guest72108>
but i dont know that need modify :(
13:43
<calisto>
ok but not a problem of ltsp its a problem of xfce
13:44
Guest72108: you create a user?
13:44
on your sistem?
13:44
<Guest72108>
the user autenticated on active directoy
13:44
directory*
13:45
when login on first time the directory ~.config/xfce/.... its created
13:45
<calisto>
whats the command you use to create this?
13:46
<Guest72108>
i use likewise-open on the server... later i created a image, and the clients autenticated on Active Directory
13:46
but the problem its XFCE
13:46
i dont know files modify
13:46
<calisto>
I dont know this
13:46
<Guest72108>
i dont know default files on XFCE to load desktop configuration
13:47
xD i think ... at end i will create a script run on init xDD
13:47
thanks for help xD
13:47
bye
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<calisto>
gyv: ping
14:06
I have local ltps server, and a lpts client (no disk, boot from the net) on te ltps client runs ldm I cant logguin from ldm, I can press Alt+F1, on the console put user, pass and eveithing ok, including startx, wats the problem?
14:09
<Chap>
calisto check ~user/.xsession-errors
14:10
calisto ensure all permissions are correct on files and user's directory
14:10
<calisto>
Chap: ldm.log ssh Crytical and restar the ldm
14:13
Chap maybe I crate with the wrong way the user on the server
14:14
Chap what is the correct way to create users into a chroot ltsp?
14:15
<ogra_>
you never create any users in a chroot
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<ogra_>
the user needs to exist on the server and needs to be enabled to use ssh
14:17
not in the chroot
14:20
<calisto>
ogra, if outside of a chroot, If I have 2 chroot ltsp environment with diferent users I need create all users outside of a chroot?
14:20
<ogra_>
no, forget about the chroot
14:21
do *not* touch it
14:21
<calisto>
all users are create outside of chroot, ogra_?
14:22
an if i need libreoffice I install into a chroot or outside of this ogra_?
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<ogra_>
yes
14:23
the desktop runs on the server
14:23
<calisto>
an if i need libreoffice I install into a chroot or outside of this ogra_?
14:23
<ogra_>
the chroot is just an additional "kbd/monitor/mouse/sound" driver
14:24
you install desktop apps where your desktop runs ;) ... on the server
14:26
<calisto>
but if I have a ltsp server on the amd64 and the thin clients are raspberry (arm) I not can install libreoffice to arm on the amd64 machine
14:27
<ogra_>
why would you want arm on the server ?
14:27
the thin client is just an export of the server display/kbd/mouse/sound
14:27
apps dont run there
14:27
they only display there
14:28
(and take input from there)
14:29
<calisto>
ogra_: I create a low consume energy project, the server are a big server and the clients are arm low consumtion, I pan reduce 90% of the enery consume
14:29
20 thin clients arm and a amd64 server
14:29
<ogra_>
right
14:29
<calisto>
the arm boot arm linux
14:29
<ogra_>
just imagine your Pis to be additional input/putput devices of the server
14:29
*output
14:29
<calisto>
and I create a environtment armhf on the server amd64
14:30
<ogra_>
nothing runs on them except the drivers for input and output
14:30
everything else (the whole user desktop) runs on the server
14:30
the chroot is for these drivers ... for nothing else
14:32
<calisto>
ok ogra, I undestand
14:32
but
14:32
on the server not have x
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X
14:33
not install lxde
14:33
<ogra_>
yu need a desktop installed
14:33
<calisto>
but I have install lxde into a chroot
14:33
<ogra_>
(X does not need to run, but ldm will try to start a desktop after login)
14:34
(on the server ... for the user that you created *on the server* )
14:34
<calisto>
and create user outside of the chroot
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<ogra_>
you need the desktop installed as well on the server
14:35
<calisto>
and I can loginto using ldm and runs lxde
14:35
but lxde not insatalled outside of chroot are installed into chroot
14:35
<ogra_>
so you did not build a thin client setup ?
14:36
<calisto>
what is a client setup?
14:36
<ogra_>
how did you create the client ?
14:37
<calisto>
create user prueba into a chroot and outside of this
14:37
<ogra_>
how did you create the client ?
14:37
what command did you use
14:37
<calisto>
useradd
14:37
<ogra_>
how did you create the client ?
14:38
(note client ... not user)
14:38
<calisto>
the client boot from the net
14:38* ogra_ gives up
14:38
<calisto>
nothing disk
14:39
explain what is "client" I undestand client are the external machine ogra_
14:39
<ogra_>
i'm talking about the software
14:40
<calisto>
I dont undestand you ask.
14:40
<ogra_>
to get a thin client you install the ltsp-server package and then run ltsp-build-client to build the client chroot for you ... what were the options you used for this
14:41
<calisto>
only runs ltsp-build-client
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<ogra_>
without options
14:41
<calisto>
no parameter
14:41
<ogra_>
ok
14:41
<calisto>
I testing on two pataforms
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1) amd64 2) arm
14:42
I ask about amd64
14:42
<ogra_>
then ldm will just do: "ssh -X user@server startx" after you entered the password
14:42
ignore that there are arm or amd64 machines :)
14:42
ldm is just a graphical ssh client that logs you in on the server and runs an X session there ...
14:46
<calisto>
ok I dont undestand who its posible, I now loggin from ldm using lxde and the lxde not installed otuside of chroot are installed into chroot amd64 ogra_
14:46
<ogra_>
i dont know, my best guess would be that you did not install inside the chroot ... else this would not work
14:47
the amd64 chroot would only be used if you had amd64 *client* machines
14:47
all the chroot does is boot to ldm
14:47
it runs nothing beyond this
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<calisto>
yes I undestand you tell me but the reality is nother
14:50
another*
14:50
I create a file on the ltsp-client machine
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and the file are created into the amd64 chroot not in the /home/prueba of the ltsp machine are created in /opt/ltsp/amd64/home/prueba
14:52
I dont undestan ogra_
14:52
<ogra_>
well, sounds like you messed up something and your ssh server runs inside the amd64 chroot or something like that
14:54
(creating any file in the chroot will not create *anything* on the server ... everything that is writable on a client is only in a tmpfs ...
14:54
)
14:54
<calisto>
yes I have ssh into a chroot but I need create the user prueba outside of the chroot to lgm givme loggin
14:54
<ogra_>
rightm you should not use a chroot at all
14:55* ogra_ would start from scratch ... install the server ... installl lxde *on the server* install ltsp-server, run ltsp-build-client, create a user *on the server* ... done ...
14:56
<calisto>
ok
15:00
yes ogra_ its a tmp fs (yes any normal), but how can the user prueba works in the real fs and write files
15:01
<ogra_>
the user lives on the server
15:01
so does his home dir
15:01
and the desktop he runs
15:01
did you ever use ssh to log into a server ? it works exactly the same, just that there are graphics
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<calisto>
ok ogra_ I remove , lxde openssh and user prueba from the chroot and install into a real machine
15:08
and test
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<calisto>
ok ogra_ works has you tell me, thanks for all
15:20
<ogra_>
great ...
15:20
it is hard to understand the first time you do it :)
15:20* ogra_ knows how that feels
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<Chap>
How do I enable greater NBD logging to track down a nbd-server issue? I have tried adding transactionlog=/var/log/happy.log to /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf
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<championofcyrodi>
anyone familiar with the screen locking settings for LDM? Tried modifying the gnome settings @ /etc/dconf/db/ibus.d/00-upstream-settings inside chroot with [org/gnome/desktop/screensaver] settings, but its just not working. I really need to make the screen lock function on the fat client.
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17:34
<alkisg>
Chap: are you 100% sure it's an nbd-server problem, and not a double-dhcp-server problem?
17:34
!nbd-client
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<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
17:34
<alkisg>
Try that from the initramfs...
17:36
<Chap>
alkisg: No, I'm not. Do you have a bangbot for double-dhcp too? ;)
17:37
Or does this mean "rogue dhcp server on the network"?
17:37
And I will when I can get it to error again. Thank yOU!
17:37
<alkisg>
From your server, run: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
17:37
Where "eth0" is the interface that's facing the ltsp clients
17:37
If that interface gets an IP, you have 2 dhcp servers there... one in the ltsp server, and one outside of it
17:38
<Chap>
The script is there but "unable to execute"
17:39
<alkisg>
Could be different arch from the server, it could need a `chroot` there
17:39
Anyway, one or two nics on the server?
17:39
Or, boot a client and see
17:39
If you see a different "ROOTPATH" than the server, it's the second dhcp server
17:39
<Chap>
I'll chroot into and try - yes, my clients are all i386 & server is 64-bit
17:40
four NICs, two static two bonded
17:40
<alkisg>
Are the ltsp clients on a separate subnet?
17:42
<Chap>
Inside the chroot that ran OK and did *not* get a dhcp address
17:42
I have a -server-standalone
17:43
I'll keep booting this client until I can make it drop to busybox again
17:44
and try the nbd-client line.
17:44
Thanks alkisg!
17:51
OK, command *seemed* to succeed - got negotiation, correct size, blocksize, etc. Then I get "nbd0 unknown partition table"
17:51
<alkisg>
That's normal
17:52
In busybox, cat /run/net-eth0.conf
17:52
See ROOTSERVER there
17:52
That could be the "wrong" dhcp server...
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<Chap>
alkisg: /run is empty
17:55
<alkisg>
Check also /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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<Chap>
Meh. I keep getting disconn'd.
17:59
alkisg: /tmp/net-eth0.conf is a symlink to /run/net- .. but /run doesn't exist
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18:00
<alkisg>
Run: ipconfig
18:00
You might have to run it many times until you see a different rootserver in its output
18:00
It does a dhcp request...
18:00
<Chap>
No devices to configure
18:01
ifconfig already shows the NIC with a proper IP
18:03
<alkisg>
ipconfig eth0
18:04
<Chap>
OK yup no worries - rootpath is /opt/ltsp/i386
18:04
Ran it 10 times but 2-10 were quick.
18:04
<alkisg>
rootserver, not path
18:05
An IP
18:05
If sometimes that's your server's IP, and some other times it's another IP, that's the rogue dhcp server
18:05
<Chap>
Always my server's IP
18:05
(for rootserver)
18:06
We just set these servers up; would be quite a coincidence if another rogue DHCP came online with the new subnet we switched to.. at the same time as upgrading
18:06
<alkisg>
Do you have /tmp/net-eth0.conf now?
18:06
<Chap>
but strange things happen
18:06
<alkisg>
Or /run?
18:07
<Chap>
Yes
18:07
Test
18:08
Ah. I forgot IRQ reserves / as first character. Not getting disconnected just seeing my typing going into the ether.
18:08
Yes, /tmp is symlinked to /run and the proper info is in there
18:08
er, IRC
18:09
<alkisg>
So, the info was there the next times you run ipconfig, but not the first time that the initramfs ran it by itself?
18:09
<Chap>
If you mean net-eth0.conf then yes
18:09
<alkisg>
Try ipappend 3 in pxelinux.cfg/default
18:09
(google it, it's just 1 line)
18:10
!ipappend
18:10
<ltsp>
ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
18:10
<Chap>
Is this a wait for a possible race condition
18:10
?
18:11
<alkisg>
It also uses a different code path
18:11* alkisg liked vagrantc's summary of arm boxes for ltsp in the ML...
18:12
<Chap>
K. I had ipappend 2 -- changing to ipappend 3
18:12
and rebooting client
18:15
client worked first time (it usually does) but 2nd time is stuck on "setting up nbd-client" -- (I've removed quiet splash)
18:16
<vagrantc>
alkisg, stgraber, highvoltage, ogra_: sent an invitation for LTSP hacking at the Debian conference this year ... if you know others who might be interested, pass it on!
18:17
the invitation went via the ltsp-developers list
18:21
<Chap>
alkisg: Same same. Socket failed, request timed out. Then nbd0 attempt to send on closed socket. /tmp/net-eth0.conf exists, my NIC has an IP, but /run/net-eth0.conf does not exist
18:22
<alkisg>
Nice vagrantc, thanks, will do
18:23
Chap: cat that file, is ROOTSERVER there ok?
18:24
<Chap>
No, it's not. /tmp/net-eth0.conf is a symlink to /run/net-eth0.conf but /run/net-eth0.conf does not exist
18:24
(this is the same behavior as before ipappend 3)
18:24
(previously I had ipappend 2)
18:25
<ogra_>
vagrantc, oooh ... hmm, thats a reason to actually go to debconf once :)
18:28
<alkisg>
Chap: ah, so the issue is the file itself, not the dhcp server
18:28
And that's with ipappend 3?
18:29
/run is completely empty?
18:29
<Chap>
Let me make sure it's empty
18:29
Yes, /run is empty
18:30
with ipappend 3
18:30
<alkisg>
vagrantc: here's another issue with udev, that could possibly be solved with the ipconfig wrapper hack
18:31
^
18:31
It's more hackish but it should be much more stable, more backportable, easier to maintain and less prone to break on future updates...
18:32
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: cool!
18:34
l/win 33
18:38
<slackish_>
33 windows? i guess you deserve that moniker
18:42
<alkisg>
Chap: debugging this will take much time, sorry, it would involve patching the udhcp script so that it's called as an ipconfig wrapper from configure_networking...
18:42
And even then, it could just be an initramfs/udev issue...
18:48
<Chap>
Gotchya.
18:48
How can I help?
18:49
<highvoltage>
slackish_: heh, it used to be worse, I've cut down a lot.
18:52
<alkisg>
Chap: I don't know if anyone will work in the issue, but you can surely file bugs in initramfs or udev or ltsp, wherever you feel it belongs, or if you solve it, send patches
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<Chap>
heh - got an idea which is the best package to file the bug through?
19:05
My 'go-to' would be LTSP but as you say it may be better suited upstream
19:06
alkisg: Bug is: "/tmp/net-eth0.conf linked to /run/net-eth0.conf but /run/net-eth0.conf doesn't exist" ? It's the first link in the chain
19:06
Basically: At this point I see symptoms; not sure what problem is.
19:09
<||cw>
if you can only reproduce it on ltsp, I'd file it there
19:10
it can always be moved
19:11
not having fun with these Vortex86 based things :/
19:12
they don't have PAE support in the cpu, and it seems the new trend is for distro's to require PAE by default
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19:32
<alkisg>
Use a kernel from debian
19:32
<Chap>
A kernel inside the chroot?
19:47
<alkisg>
Yup
19:48* alkisg is using 3.2 486, in ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04
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<||cw>
debian kernel is having irqpoll issues
19:51
:/
19:53
<Chap>
Well bleh.
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20:37
<mmetzger>
Is there a recommended way to troubleshoot nbd connections (Ubuntu 14.04?)
20:38
<Chap>
heh
20:38
mmetzger: Join the club ;)
20:39
!nbd-server
20:39
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'nbd-server', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nbd-server-bug'
20:39
<Chap>
!nbd-client
20:39
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
20:39
<mmetzger>
Chap: Been fighting this since at least friday
20:39
<Chap>
mmetzger: What are you seeing?
20:40
<mmetzger>
Chap: Gets the image (I'm using a 64-bit client,) shows Negotiating, then usually freaks out and hits the busybox interface
20:40
<Chap>
mmetzger: That's what I was troubleshooting earlier today.
20:40
I *believe* it's a udev issue but I've only found symptoms and I'm unsure where to file the bug.
20:41
You can remove quiet splash from pxelinux.cfg/default to get more
20:41
<mmetzger>
Tried substituting a quick netcat listener, and it sits on "Negotiating" so it's definitely somewhere in there.
20:41
<Chap>
You may want to read the logs from earlier today at irclogs.ltsp.org
20:42
<mmetzger>
Will do - thank you
20:43
<Chap>
No worries - trust me, I didn't do much. The solution was "use a debian kernel in the chroot until it's fixed in ubuntu", but later saw debian kernel has irqpoll issues.
20:43
But I don't know that a bug has been filed yet; at least I haven't filed one and I haven't found one.
20:44
Gotta run, cheers
20:47
<||cw>
well, it has irqpoll issues with this Vortex86 SoC
20:48
probably fine on a proper intel or amd
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<||cw>
alkisg: so debian kernel, works on usb media if I add irqpoll, but irqpol seems to be ignored on my pxe kernel
20:50
I'm starting to hate these vortex86 things
20:50
<alkisg>
||cw: which debian kernel did you try?
20:50
The -486 one from wheezy?
20:50
<||cw>
-486, yeah, 3.2 kernel
20:51
3.2.0-4
20:51
is there something that would strip irqpoll, or make it ineffective on irq9, with pxe?
20:52
<alkisg>
I can't think of anything, but do you see it in `cat /proc/cmdline` on the client?
20:52
<||cw>
doesn't get that far
20:53
<alkisg>
break=top
20:53
<||cw>
panics and reboots pretty early
20:53
<alkisg>
I don't think it'll be earlier than break=top
20:53
That's even before udev...
20:53
...which distro is that?
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<alkisg>
Note that the kernel modules need to be installed in the chroot too, i.e. if you're using nbd, you also need ltsp-update-image
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20:56* alkisg would love it if kexec was stable enough, so that the initramfs could be distro and chroot kernel agnostic
20:57
<||cw>
debian 7. irqpoll is in the /proc/cmdline, but still getting the message and panic
20:57
<alkisg>
debian 7 does have a 486 kernel, doesn't it?
20:57
You don't need the one from wheezy...
20:58
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-486
20:58
<||cw>
yeah, the 3.2.0 is deb7's
20:58
<alkisg>
7 is wheezy? ah ok
20:59
What message?
20:59
<||cw>
i guess, co-working is setting it up, I'm just assisting this time
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<||cw>
the "no one cared" message that suggests to enable irqpoll
21:00
making usb boot installer, the irqpoll option works
21:00
just with pxe it's not
21:00
<alkisg>
What device issues the irq?
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<||cw>
usb, it seems
21:02
<alkisg>
Can you test by disabling usb?
21:03
(by kernel command line)
21:03
<||cw>
keyboard is usb :/
21:03
<alkisg>
Ah
21:03
Disable usb 2.0 at least...
21:03
<||cw>
though that could work by cmdline, at least to see if it boots
21:05
<alkisg>
Remove the keyboard for a boot :P
21:09
<||cw>
nope
21:09
for all of the above :/
21:11
<alkisg>
:(
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<||cw>
they used to use via 500Mhz chips in these, and while slow-ish, they made great thin clients, fanless, VESA mountable, including sandwich between 17"+ lcd and the VESA bracket
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