IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 July 2010   (all times are UTC)

01:04alkisg has joined #ltsp
01:06cyberorg has quit IRC
01:16try2free has joined #ltsp
01:17cyberorg has joined #ltsp
01:33Appiah has quit IRC
01:38alkisg has quit IRC
01:46
<nutron>
vagrantc: heh
01:46
I think so.
01:47
I'm having some issues, after some use on the thin client, the screen locks (the system still responds to keyboard and mouse input) so I can switch to vt1, but after a few moments it logs out and goes back to ldm, it just becomes unresponsive. Is this a known/common issue?
01:48
<vagrantc>
are they browsing lots of websites? how much ram is on the thin clients?
01:49
some versions firefox/iceweasel and openoffice stash pixmaps in ram and never purge them... so eventually thin clients run out of ram
01:49
stash pixmaps in the X server's ram, and never clean them ...
01:49
not sure if that's what's happening
01:49try2free has left #ltsp
01:50
<nutron>
ahh, well
01:50
<vagrantc>
it was never clear to me if lenny's version of iceweasel and openoffice were or were not impacted by those bugs
01:50
<nutron>
I'll watch the ram usage
01:50
I use it for a while, then it... I don't know how to explain it
01:50
<vagrantc>
you could try enabling nbd swap, too, and then if the swap files suddenly get huge, you'd know
01:50
<nutron>
the mouse moves, but nothing responds
01:50
yes I've been meaning to
01:51
<vagrantc>
also, you could enable remote syslogging
01:51
<nutron>
I'll go do that
01:51
I did, ldm doesn't say much
01:51
<vagrantc>
then you'll see the OOM errors
01:51
<nutron>
oohh.. err none of those
01:51
<vagrantc>
hrm.
01:51
<nutron>
since the machine still responds
01:51
<vagrantc>
that's probably not the problem then
01:51
<nutron>
i can switch to the console and look around
01:52
<vagrantc>
since X.org is the largest process running on the thin client, it's likely to get killed when the OOM killer goes on it's killing spree
01:52
<nutron>
feels like gnome is just locking up, somehow the machine realizes it, then kills the session and it goes back to ldm, like a minute later
01:52
oh, ok
01:52
I had nothing but gimp open remotely, i'll play with it
01:52
<vagrantc>
there's the X_RAMPERC setting, which might help if that's it
01:52
<nutron>
nbdswap comin' up
01:53
k, that just starts killing other programs though, correct?
01:53
not x?
01:53
<vagrantc>
what that does is it limits processes from consuming all the ram ... it's not totally effective, but it often helps
01:53
since most processes won't usually consume anywhere near 20% of the ram other than X, it usually helps with X_RAMPERC=80
01:54
<nutron>
k
01:54
<vagrantc>
nutron: see the explanation in X_RAMPERC
01:54
<nutron>
I'll set that
01:54
<vagrantc>
in lts.conf manpage
01:54
<nutron>
aye
01:54
<vagrantc>
it describes the symptoms
01:55
might likely apply to gimp, too ... don't really know
01:55
<nutron>
I've seen it lots, though these clients have 1g+, this one is at 1 gig, and I was running firefox(iceweasel) locally no problem on another box with 512
01:55
<vagrantc>
wow
01:55
with localapps it gets more complicated, of course :)
01:55
<nutron>
k, didn't think with gimp running on the server (with 48 gigs) would affect the client
01:56
<vagrantc>
it still has to display the graphics...
01:56
<nutron>
heh yeah, i was planning on nbd swap, was just using the client to modify the theme
01:56
<vagrantc>
see if you can make it consistantly repeatable ... i.e. opening images foo bar and baz always do it
01:56
<nutron>
it was easier than using my real non-ltsp workstation heh
01:56
yes it's done it 6 times in the last hour
01:57
ahh i see
01:57
Yeah, here I go. I'm gonna set X_RAMPERC first
01:58
<vagrantc>
something between 80-90 seems to be the recommendation
01:58
<nutron>
ok set to 85
01:59
and booting
01:59
<vagrantc>
though really, if you're not getting OOM errors, that's probably not the issue
02:00
<nutron>
vagrantc: now when I installed NBD daemon, it asked for ports and such, does ltsp handle the config for me or do I need to create each swap and assign each port for each client?
02:00
yeah, no oom errors :/
02:00
So I don't understand wholly what's going on
02:00
<vagrantc>
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
02:01
<nutron>
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
02:01
<vagrantc>
update-inetd --group LTSP --add "9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
02:01
yeah, looks good.
02:02
<nutron>
ok, then I'll just go and follow the steps in the docs
02:02
<vagrantc>
ltsp works around some limitations in nbd-server
02:02
<nutron>
one other thing that's been nagging at me
02:02
<vagrantc>
by using nbdswapd
02:02
<nutron>
when someone hits reset.. ah
02:03
when someone shuts down a client by pulling the plug... does the session just hang on the server? or does it leave the programs that were open running?
02:03
<vagrantc>
there will probably be lots of nbdswapd processes running for a while
02:03
most programs will notice that their DISPLAY is gone and die eventually
02:04
<nutron>
k so the do stick around
02:04
<vagrantc>
you can set things up with, strangely enough, rdesktop, to handle that situation, but it looses other features (sound, localdev)
02:04
<nutron>
Oh, nah, can't lose those, I can handle it
02:04
<vagrantc>
might be able to also configure persistant sessions with vnc or nx
02:04
and also wouldn't work well with localapps, of course :)
02:05
<nutron>
I wonder if that's what's screwing with me, I keep loggin' in to clients as I test them and then i just power them off since there was no hard drive heh
02:05
then it occured to me that.. there was a session :/
02:05
<vagrantc>
if you log out, then hitting the power button shouldn't be too bad.
02:05
<nutron>
hah, yeah but the local apps I don't care much about... iceweasel and maybe vnc
02:06
alright, maybe I'll do some ps hunting to see what's left open
02:06dobber has joined #ltsp
02:06
<vagrantc>
it varies widely how well programs handle thin clients being powered off
02:08
<nutron>
:P I don't know why I assumed it shouldn't be a problem :)
02:09
<vagrantc>
someone spread the horrible idea that the proper way to log out was hitting ctrl-alt-backspace... and then people complained about programs responding badly
02:10
<nutron>
haha, nice ... yuck
02:11
<vagrantc>
it's taken two years to fight that idea and i still catch people doing it...
02:11
<nutron>
wow a project hasn't had me excited like this in years and yet so frustrated on the sparse documentation :)
02:11
lol! do you slap 'em with a trout?
02:13vagrantc has quit IRC
02:30gnunux has joined #ltsp
02:31
<gnunux>
hi
02:50Faithful has joined #ltsp
02:50Da-Geek has joined #ltsp
03:13ogra_cmpc has quit IRC
03:19
<muppis>
I'm running Firefox as localapp and got lost how I get it look as same as any other app?
03:20
<elias_a>
Look or behave?
03:20
<muppis>
Look. It's behaving ok.
03:21
<elias_a>
So what is the specific problem?
03:21
<muppis>
It looks like Netscape ~15 yrs ago. >)
03:22
<elias_a>
Cannot help. Sorry. Never seen anything like that.
03:22
It should look exactly the same.
03:22
<muppis>
Hold on, I get screencapture for you.
03:23
http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=6423851.png
03:24
And all popups & dialog got gray background.
03:26
<nutron>
I had the same prob
03:27ogra_cmpc has joined #ltsp
03:27
<nutron>
deleted all config for gnome and it looks the same now... not sure if that's permanent though :)
03:27cyberorg has quit IRC
03:28
<muppis>
Doesn't bother me, I can use Personas, but customer might start asking stupids.
03:33alkisg has joined #ltsp
03:40ogra has quit IRC
03:40ogra has joined #ltsp
03:42cyberorg has joined #ltsp
04:12tstafford has quit IRC
04:12satellit_ has quit IRC
04:12chupacabra has quit IRC
04:12elias_a has quit IRC
04:12Lumiere has quit IRC
04:12Patina has quit IRC
04:18satellit_ has joined #ltsp
04:18chupacabra has joined #ltsp
04:18tstafford has joined #ltsp
04:18elias_a has joined #ltsp
04:18Lumiere has joined #ltsp
04:18Patina has joined #ltsp
04:50Da-Geek has quit IRC
04:50Da-Geek has joined #ltsp
05:17
<elias_a>
muppis: Are you talking about a resolution problem here?
05:18
<muppis>
elias_a, nope. Just visual.
05:18
<elias_a>
muppis: How did you install the local-apps -version of Firefox?
05:19
<muppis>
By following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
05:20
<elias_a>
muppis: OK. Back to the problem: Gimme a screenshot of how it should look like.
05:23
muppis: Oh - now I got it.... You mean it does not follow the themes of LTSP client, do you?
05:23
<muppis>
Yes.
05:23
<elias_a>
....don't you.
05:23
<muppis>
http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=6424213.png
05:24
<alkisg>
I think ubufox needs to be installed for firefox to look normal in ubuntu
05:24
(or some similar package anyway)
05:24
<muppis>
Ok, let's give a hit for it.
05:26robbie_ has joined #ltsp
05:26robbie_ is now known as robbie72
05:27DaGeek_ has joined #ltsp
05:27
<elias_a>
I think the problem is you do not have the theme settings set up properly in LTSP. Let's hope ubufox or the like will help.
05:27Da-Geek has quit IRC
05:27
<elias_a>
Never experienced that so I cannot help.
05:27
I'll split now. Outdoors!
05:28DaGeek__ has joined #ltsp
05:29
<muppis>
Didn't help, still looking same.
05:31
<alkisg>
How about firefox-gnome-support?
05:31DaGeek_ has quit IRC
05:31
<muppis>
Tried it first.
05:31
<alkisg>
Btw, do other localapps look ok?
05:32
(gtk-based, that is)
05:33
<muppis>
Same effect with VLC..
05:38DaGeek__ has quit IRC
06:03
<muppis>
Installed light-theme -package and FF won't start at all.
06:13Appiah has joined #ltsp
06:14robbie72 has quit IRC
06:28pmatulis has joined #ltsp
06:29
<muppis>
Hmm.. Now Firefox doesn't work at all, even I removed light-theme and ubuntu-mono packages.
07:10alkisg has quit IRC
07:24robbie_ has joined #ltsp
07:24robbie_ is now known as robbie72
07:28Blinny has joined #ltsp
07:42Patina has quit IRC
07:43robbie72 has quit IRC
07:59Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC
08:04Patina has joined #ltsp
08:05Selveste1_ has joined #ltsp
08:13Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp
08:28ltspbot has joined #ltsp
08:28-lindbohm.freenode.net- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
08:43ltspbot has joined #ltsp
08:48Selveste1_ has joined #ltsp
08:56faranda has joined #ltsp
09:03ogra_ has joined #ltsp
09:06ogra has quit IRC
09:18mischko has joined #ltsp
09:23faranda has quit IRC
09:24rad4Christ has joined #ltsp
09:36ogra_ is now known as ogra
09:36ogra has quit IRC
09:36ogra has joined #ltsp
09:47alkisg has joined #ltsp
10:10faranda has joined #ltsp
10:13primeministerp has quit IRC
10:13sutula has quit IRC
10:14sutula has joined #ltsp
10:14primeministerp has joined #ltsp
10:14faranda has quit IRC
10:17staffencasa has joined #ltsp
10:30gnunux has quit IRC
10:34mischko has quit IRC
10:36alkisg has quit IRC
10:37faranda has joined #ltsp
10:42
<Blinny>
What is a good Mini-ITX board with GB NIC that works well on Hardy Heron? I've used the Intel D945GCLF2D boards, but I can't seem to find them.
10:44faranda has quit IRC
10:56dobber has quit IRC
10:59Gadi has joined #ltsp
11:02leio_ has joined #ltsp
11:05leio has quit IRC
11:06alkisg has joined #ltsp
11:12
<muppis>
Blinny, mind me, but why Hardy?
11:13hishnash has joined #ltsp
11:14alkisg has quit IRC
11:15jhutchins has joined #ltsp
11:16
<hishnash>
hi, can anyone help, i am seting up a ltsp-cluster system and the cluster controle pannel (the web interface) is giveing " The ID specified is not a valide id or mac address : id= The node you try to access does not exist in database : id=0" i have used the howto from the ubuntu help pages?
11:19leio_ is now known as leio
11:19
<hishnash>
hi, can anyone help, i am seting up a ltsp-cluster system and the cluster controle pannel (the web interface) is giveing " The ID specified is not a valide id or mac address : id= The node you try to access does not exist in database : id=0" i have used the howto from the ubuntu help pages?
11:22pmatulis has quit IRC
11:24pmatulis has joined #ltsp
11:24rad4Christ has quit IRC
11:48
<nickelone>
Good afternoon, I have a question..... I have 1 ltsp server set up (Ubuntu 10.4 from the alternate cd), and have the image set up to do ldap authentication. I am able to log into the client via ssh without any problem, however, when trying to log into gdm, I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/45B0Lg4v
12:08
<muppis>
First one looks like your image for thin client image is bad. Try to mount locally via loopback.
12:10
as I don't really know does nbd care what is inside the imagefile, but according to error it seems like it does.
12:16
<nickelone>
it mounts fine and there's no errors in the image....
12:19
<muppis>
Hmm.. then it's out of my luck.
12:21
<Blinny>
muppis: Because that's what my 4 servers are running.
12:21
I'm switching telcos and ISPs right now - don't need a server upgrade at the same time.
12:21
Eventually will upgrade the server to Lucid as well, just not yet.
12:21
<muppis>
Blinny, ah, ok..
12:22
<Blinny>
But I'm trying to get around a Realtek 8168 booting problem by upgrading the chroot.
12:22
<muppis>
nickelone, so you can login to client from server with ssh, but not from client to server with ldm?
12:25
<nickelone>
muppis: correct.... everything except ldm works...
12:25
i get that error when trying to log in via ldm
12:27
<muppis>
nickelone, then login via ssh and try manually mount image via nbd.
12:30alkisg has joined #ltsp
12:31
<nickelone>
to the thin client?
12:31
<muppis>
Yes.
12:32
<nickelone>
isn't the image already mounted at that point though?
12:32
<muppis>
Yes, but can still try it to different location.
12:36hishnash has quit IRC
12:39NeonLicht has quit IRC
12:40Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp
12:40
<Q-FUNK>
howdy!
12:40
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mknbi/+bug/241307
12:40NeonLicht has joined #ltsp
12:41
<Q-FUNK>
seems that a long-standing bug on some older thin client hardware might require fixing mknbi or replacing mknbi with wraplinux.
12:41
whichever fix is selected, it would probably need to be back-ported to earlier releases.
12:44alkisg has quit IRC
12:48
<nickelone>
muppis: how would i mount the image from the thin client, since the thin client can't see the image on the server?
12:53
<muppis>
nickelone, ah.. Forgot to mention, I think you have to install nbd-client in image.
12:55
<nickelone>
it's already installed
13:03abeehc_ has quit IRC
13:07vagrantc has joined #ltsp
13:10
<Q-FUNK>
vagrantc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mknbi/+bug/241307
13:10
vagrantc: would repacing mknbi with wraplinux be acceptable, givne those findings?
13:12alkisg has joined #ltsp
13:22abeehc has joined #ltsp
13:24
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: a bit much to read over today
13:25
<Q-FUNK>
vagrantc: you can skip to the end of the bug. :)
13:25
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: what i do know is wraplinux has been stuck in debian's new queue for an absurdly long time with no apparent comment
13:26
<Q-FUNK>
vagrantc: I noticed that. I emailed daniel earlier to ask why.
13:26
I'm still waiting for his answer.
13:46alkisg has quit IRC
13:46Q-FUNK has quit IRC
14:08chupacabra has quit IRC
14:11leio_ has joined #ltsp
14:12leio has quit IRC
14:13leio_ is now known as leio
14:28
<Lns>
vagrantc: have you heard of people having issues with flash sound in lenny lately?
14:28pmatulis has quit IRC
14:29
<vagrantc>
Lns: i don't hear more than usual.
14:29
<Lns>
heh
14:30
<vagrantc>
my analysis is usually flash doesn't work very well, and there's a variety of different permutations
14:30
<Lns>
i'm having a bitch of a time with it (of course it's 64bit).. just strange to me that my ubuntu 64 bit install at home still works fine
14:30
vagrantc: agreed
14:31
The workaround at http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27amd64 doesn't seem to work for me either
14:31
not sure if it's because i'm on an ltsp term
14:32
<vagrantc>
no idea. never tried
14:33
<Lns>
ok, thx for the info :) /me curses flash yet again
14:36AndyGraybeal has quit IRC
14:48AndyGraybeal has joined #ltsp
15:02alkisg has joined #ltsp
15:06
<nutron>
aww crap, looks like nfs is the culprit I was talking to you about vagrantc last night.
15:06
I don't understand the issue, but I'm working through it. I certainly hope I'm not the only one running lenny backports with ltsp :o
15:07Blinny has quit IRC
15:09
<nutron>
why does flash own us?
15:09
When's html 5 coming?
15:16
<Lns>
nutron: i'm running lenny + backports
15:16
brb
15:16Lns has quit IRC
15:19
<nutron>
what does: ws60 ldm[3533]: waitid returned an error: Interrupted system call actually mean? and should I be concerned?
15:19
this occurs.. a whole bunch on quite a few different clients
15:21vbundi has joined #ltsp
15:21
<vbundi>
does ltsp-remotapps work yet?
15:21
<nutron>
vbundi: mine does
15:22
oh nvm, mine's local apps
15:22
<vbundi>
trying to test it by doing ltsp-localapps xterm and then from within that xterm doing ltsp-remoteapps xterm
15:23
when downloading documents, ie pdfs; a pdf viewer is not installed locally, so it won't open them... must save first and then open by doubleclicking the file
15:31vagrantc has quit IRC
15:34* alkisg thinks fat clients are much easier to handle than the localapps/remoteapps pair...
15:39Lns has joined #ltsp
15:41
<vbundi>
hmm maybe I'll try a fat client setup
15:42dobber_ has joined #ltsp
15:45jorge_ has joined #ltsp
15:50chupacabra has joined #ltsp
15:51
<vbundi>
hey I copied the build-client.conf file and when I run ltsp-build-client it complains that an i386 chroot exists already... (because it does) I want to make another chroot called fat-i386, if I use ltsp-build-client --chroot fat-i386, will it still use my conf file?
15:51
this is from the fat-client wiki page btw
15:52
akisg: sorry to bug ya ^
15:52
alkisg: sorry to bug ya ^
16:09chupacabra has quit IRC
16:11efra_ has joined #ltsp
16:12vagrantc has joined #ltsp
16:14
<alkisg>
vbundi: yes, it will use it
16:15efra has quit IRC
16:19chupacabra has joined #ltsp
16:21efra_ has quit IRC
16:41Lns has quit IRC
16:44vagrantc has quit IRC
16:47efra has joined #ltsp
17:05
<vbundi>
alkisg: ty
17:13Gadi has left #ltsp
17:37sweetpi has joined #ltsp
17:40alkisg has quit IRC
17:42efra_ has joined #ltsp
17:45efra has quit IRC
18:02pmatulis has joined #ltsp
18:09vagrantc has joined #ltsp
18:24dobber_ has quit IRC
18:41atkuepker has joined #ltsp
18:47staffencasa has quit IRC
18:51jorge_ has quit IRC
19:02vbundi has quit IRC
19:05vagrantc has quit IRC
19:21highvoltage has quit IRC
19:32sweetpi has quit IRC
20:25pmatulis has quit IRC
20:25Egyptian[Home] has left #ltsp
20:25gnoob has joined #ltsp
20:27
<gnoob>
hi guys:) you know about any goood howtos for how to set up a computer lap for schools? I want to replace a xp lab with linux thin clients.. Difficult to find good and axplaining howtos.. :)
20:28
and whats the easiest or best solution? want to be able to use qcad and OOo :)
20:31mordocai has joined #ltsp
20:31gnoob has quit IRC
20:49gentgeen__ has quit IRC
20:50gentgeen__ has joined #ltsp
21:48KBentley57 has joined #ltsp
21:49
<KBentley57>
hey, can someone point me to some documentation on adding software to the ltsp thin clients?
21:50
I have everything up and running, but I'm stuck at adding software to the ltsp image, if that makes sense
21:50KBentley57 has left #ltsp
21:51KBentley57 has joined #ltsp
21:51KBentley57 has left #ltsp
21:58KBentley57 has joined #ltsp
22:08KBentley57 has left #ltsp
22:19simulacrum has joined #ltsp
22:28
<map7>
I'm trying to get my Nvidia card on a Thin client to work with the Nvidia drivers I've installed in the client image, can anyone help?
22:28
I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 as my server
22:29
My TC GPU is a Nvidia Geforce 6200
22:29
I've installed nvidia-glx-185
22:33simulacrum has left #ltsp
22:59try2free has joined #ltsp