IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 11 March 2020   (all times are UTC)

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07:19
<alkisg>
Hey NecTal
07:19
<NecTal>
Hey.
07:19
<alkisg>
So, what's your setup like, do you have GUI access to a VM client, or only to real client?
07:25
<NecTal>
My setup is an physical ubuntu 18.04 server. Installed all ltsp packages like documentation says. Also i installed ubuntu-desktop so client should have the same desktop. At least in the old ltsp it was like this. Configured second nic for clients with subnet 10.1.0.0/24. Right now i used physical client.
07:25
<alkisg>
NecTal: do you have a monitor connected to your server?
07:26
The second NIC should be configured to 192.168.67.1, as the documentation says
07:26
Otherwise it's harder as you'll need to manage NAT yourself
07:27
<NecTal>
Okay. I will try that. Maybe this will fix my problem.
07:27
<alkisg>
(09:25:46 AM) alkisg: NecTal: do you have a monitor connected to your server?
07:28
<NecTal>
Nope. I use ssh and changed grub so that server would boot without gui.
07:28
<alkisg>
Do you prefer to use ssh, or is it OK to use VNC too?
07:29
<NecTal>
I prefer ssh.
07:29
<alkisg>
The normal and easiest way would be for you to put a monitor, install the desktop iso
07:29
As you are preparing a template for desktop clients, not ssh clients
07:29
Then when it's ready, remove the monitor, and connect to the server via VNC/RDP/X2go
07:29
If you do want ssh, that means you should know a lot of terminal commands and be able to handle things like that
07:30
It's not easy to learn terminal commands while troubleshooting netbooting
07:30
You need to know how to manage chroots etc before trying to use ssh
07:30
But as you wish
07:30
So for example now, to troubleshoot this issue, what I would do:
07:31
I would connect to the server via SSH, then make it run Xorg, then connect over VNC, the install VirtualBox, then run a virtual client, so that I can share that screen with LTSP developers
07:31
Otherwise it's not easy to share the problem
07:32
Do you have another PC nearby where you can install virtualbox and share the screen of a virtual client?
07:32
<NecTal>
Okay. I think i will try to start from beginning with ubuntu desktop image.
07:33
<alkisg>
That's a lot better :)
07:33
<NecTal>
I will come back here i have problems again.
07:33
<alkisg>
Nice
07:33
<NecTal>
Bye now.
07:33
<alkisg>
Bye
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09:04
<meo>
hey alkisg, how's the situation in .gr, everyone freaking out yet?
09:36
<alkisg>
Hey meo; all schools closed today and for at least the next weeks
09:36
*two
09:37
People stopped shaking hands, and yet we have less than 100 confirmed cases still...
09:39
<fiesh>
I wish I was still in school... I dearly remember the one time we had a single day off because of a heavy storm
09:39
how great must the current situation be for kids
09:39
I would have *loved* it
09:39
best thing ever
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<alkisg>
True, all of them except maybe the 17 year old ones that give exams to enter universities... postponing exams sometimes is very bad
09:52
That 3rd year in high schools in Greece, students study *a lot*, they usually even ...sleep in the obligatory public schools in the morning and attend optional private schools in the afternoon instead
10:00
<fiesh>
not the story of my life, haha
10:07
<highvoltage>
win 23
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13:19
<meo>
my boss has the bright idea to buy a bunch of laptops because if this continues we all gun be working from home
13:19
i envision massive lols
13:26
<MWALTERS>
My wife works for a school division... lots of "how many chromebooks does each school have?" and similar questions getting thrown around
13:27
I work for a foster care agency... lots of questions surrounding video chat... we need to do regular home visits, and they can't be done over telephone
13:27
Thankfully it's not that bad here in US/VA yet.
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15:35
<fiesh>
we have customers in northern Italy... nothing happens there any more
15:35
I thought the US recently crossed the 1000 infections line?
15:40
<MWALTERS>
It's a big country (geographically). I believe the largest number of cases are in Washington state, on the other side of the country from me. We have a handful of cases in Virginia, where I live and work... They're clustered in two separate areas, both a couple hundred miles away
15:40
Unfortunately, I live by main travel corridoors to/from both places :D
15:41
I'm avoiding rest stops and restaurants directly off of both interstate roads ;)
15:45
<fiesh>
apart from some really poor 2nd / 3rd world countries, the US's health care system is the worst I have ever experienced. certainly of any country I have spent some time in... so I hope you won't need it. But I think for the most part, if you're healthy, an infection is probably less harsh than the flu
16:24
<Teridon>
my work place did a "test" on Friday last week to see if it could handle almost everyone (~10,000 people) working from home. Supposedly it worked well.
16:25
<MWALTERS>
I am looking forward to filing bankruptcy when I do need it ;)
16:26
but yeah, my household is all under 40, no pre-existing conditions... probably just bed rest and staying away from other people if it does end up over here.
16:38
<highvoltage>
fiesh: yeah I live in South Africa and we always complain how bad our health system is compared to europe... but then we look at the US and we're thankful for what we've got
16:39
and workers there have basically zero rights
16:39
<JuJUBee>
MWALTERS, stay away from NYC area. They just instituted a soft quarantine for Westchester County...
16:40
<MWALTERS>
I'm 600km away, no worries yet :)
16:41
Workers rights varies by state and employer. In Virginia, we have a "right to work" (their words, not mine ;) ) law, which allows employers to terminate employees at any time for no reason... and "allows" employees to quit at any time for no reason
16:41
I'm originally from Pennsylvania, which had some very strong trade unions. Electricians, Plumbers, etc. etc.
16:42
Virginia also doesn't allow employers to require an employee to join a union as a condition of employement... which weakens its bargaining position a lot.
16:43
And outright prohibits state and local government employees from collective bargaining.
16:43
<JuJUBee>
MWALTERS, you have it backwards with right-to-work. Right-to-work means workers are allowed to unionize and therefore employers cannot terminate without just cause.
16:44
<vagrantc>
JuJUBee: i believe you have been victim of doublespeak
16:44
<MWALTERS>
So, I paraphrased a bit... "Right to work" means you can't be compelled to join a union... "At-will" covers the termination without cause part
16:45
but yes, vagrantc is correct. It's doublespeak.
16:45
I think we're approaching politicizing the channel, though. I'll back off from here ;)
16:45
<vagrantc>
most "right to work" laws i'm aware of in the US are much closer to what mwalters said than wikipedia's definition
16:58
<JuJUBee>
I stand corrected. I just read an article on Forbes that clarified it as being able to work in a unionized environment without belonging to the union. However you still have to pay the portion of the dues that goes towards the collective bargaining process, but not the political actions.
16:59
enough non ltsp stuff... ;)
16:59
<MWALTERS>
Specific meaning varies by state
16:59
rather, specifics vary
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22:00
<eu^host-78-144-1>
Currently using LTSP to build a VMware view client, its going great but I wonder if anyone has any advise for scaling out. Is it possible to easily publish to multiple TFTP servers for multi site setups for example?
22:06
<quinox>
sure
22:06
you can copy the files around
22:06
there's nothing special about them
22:10
<eu^host-78-144-1>
thanks, does the client read anything from the sever once booted ? I have excluded the home directory as I want that to not be loaded via NFS etc ?
22:13
The requirement is to basically boot, load the vmware horizon client and be totally diskless / read only. I am 90% there just sanity checking the method of deployment really. LTSP has been a massive time saver compared to the numerous other projects I tried.
22:17
<quinox>
I'm on an older LTSP version. There it keeps reading the image from the server (AFAIK it doesn't read in the entire image on boot, only the bits it needs), and it uses SSH on the server for authenticating the login, and my home folders are on the server. If I kill my server my clients stop working
22:17
you could use a RAM disk for the home if you don't need persistent data / don't want to write
22:20
When I used Gentoo I came across a tutorial for reading the entire / into RAM on boot, that sounded like a fun setup (never had enough RAM for it though back then)
22:22
<eu^host-78-144-1>
thanks I will take a look at that. I have the whole thing coming in at around 700mb and the client machines will have a minimum of 4 GB so want to keep it all in RAM ideally. Its for a college so its great if nothing persists between sessions.
22:23
<quinox>
beware that linux will crash hard when you run out of space on your home folder (or even /)
22:25
without a harddrive and no network-mount for home everything you download will end up in RAM, so a user downloading some cdrom will get crashes probably
22:25
<eu^host-78-144-1>
Yea I can imagine. It should not really use any extra space once booted as it is basically presenting a VDI client with the options to mount the local disk disabled.
22:26
Oh good point about the physicaly CD ROM. didnt consider that. USB will just pass through to the VDI session. But the CD ROM will need testing.
22:27
<quinox>
ooh vmware horizon is like a remote desktop? So any files people donwload end up at the vmware server?
22:29
or is the server running on the LTSP client
22:29
<eu^host-78-144-1>
Yea very similar just even more complicated!! Presents proper Win 10 to clients and it is hard to telll your not on a desktop unlike RDP which always fees like RDP.
22:29
<quinox>
cool
22:30
I'm off to bed; stick around, the LTSP dev(s) are quite active in here so they can give you more / better pointers if you want them
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<eu^host-78-144-1>
Thanks. got to shoot off myself thanks for the help
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