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Channel log from 30 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<EzeeGuy>
hi
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<gord_>
hi, i have problem on LTSP clients served by a Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP, googling and reading has produced several (many) conflicting snippets but no definite answers, I have mainly Compaq EN SFF clients from p2/350 to p3/600. Network is zero load, all test lab, only 1 client booted at a time. 10/100 switched infra. PROBLEM: Video apps refuse to play all video formats, tried Mplayer, VLC etc they open briefly, display no video nor sound, then app wi
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ndow closes again. Even very low bandwidth lecture files (they play perfect on full/thick client 233mmx/256MB as well as thin client+hdd local install of 8.04. All files play fine on server, up to 10 at a time using same apps. QUESTION: specifically, is video playback possible _at all_ using LTSP to thin clients? or am I missing something fundemental.? feel free to slap me :)
06:27
server was upgrade from gutsy to hardy if that matters for any gotchas
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also, puzzling, several different laptops/notebooks cant play vids either, boted via PXE with nice specs (600>900US$ machines new)
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nor can many current desktops with high specs. All run normal desktop apps fine (v. fast)
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<ogra>
did you properly rebuild your client during the upgrade ?
06:29
<gord_>
the ltsp was not built at time of upgrade to hardy 804
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<ogra>
and also did you install eh needed codecs (teh ubuntu-restricted-extras package depends on all of them)
06:30
you need to rebuild the client env ...
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<gord_>
yes all codecs installed, AHH u mean codecs in client env? chrooted?
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<ogra>
move the old /opt/ltsp/i386 dir away and re-run sudo ltsp-build-client before you test anything else
06:31
a lot has changed between the two releases, a new server needs the new client env as well
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<gord_>
wildo, thanks. fundemental but i missed it :)
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<ogra>
no, i mean on the server
06:31
the cliet only displays the pictures, all processing is done on the server, so you indeed need the codecs that
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<gord_>
yes, not revuilt ion serves since some codecs and stuff. needs doin probably, i come back if still probs
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<ogra>
s/that/there/
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<gord_>
lol need new keyboard/fingers here too
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i now realise i shoud have clean installed the server before i started confusing myself
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<ogra>
thats not necessary, but ltsp-build-client is :)
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<gord_>
yep, i'm starting now, getting ssh going from another box to save legs, i'm on a thinclient right now
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<Blinny>
Gadi: G'morning. Just back from a stint off. Have you looked at the process killing script on user logout any more since.. well, a few weeks ago?
08:57
<Gadi>
Blinny: hey - yeah, I was looking for you at various points last week - in case you wanted to continue the quest
08:57
I had made some changes since we left off
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but, still have not had a chance to test much myself
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lemme pull up what Ieft off with...
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:58
<Blinny>
Gadi: You are teh awesomez. And stuff. Let me check it out.
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "draft of rc.d script to kill old user procs" (36 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/3
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<Gadi>
One of the changes I made, was to grab the *newest* sshd process
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which basically corresponds to the current ssh socket
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and avoid killing *it*
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<Gadi>
while killing all other processes
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That *should* be a safe approach
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(amazing what a '-n' flag will do) :)
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<Blinny>
That and the path to kill are the only diff's I see.
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heh
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<Gadi>
ah, oops
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<Blinny>
How do I ensure it's fired at login?
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<Gadi>
forgot to fix that
09:02
its /bin/kill, right?
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<Blinny>
Yes.
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<Gadi>
it is an rc.d script
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for ldm
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remember?
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<Blinny>
Oh, I know. I just couldn't get it to fire unless run manually.
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<Gadi>
it should fire as long as you make it: S15checkuser
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or some such
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and put it in the rc.d directory for ldm
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<Blinny>
wxrwxr-x 1 root root 1135 2008-06-30 10:01 S30-check-processes
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in ldm/rc.d yes.
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<Gadi>
hmm...
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<Blinny>
I had it at S01 but someone last week said to bump down the priority.
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<Gadi>
the only thing I can think of is I wonder if LDM_USERNAME is exported to the environment for rc.d
09:04
hmm...
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as a test, edit the script and at the top, put: LDM_USERNAME=yourUser
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and then log in as that user
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you are using ahrdy?
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*hrady
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<Blinny>
Yes.
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<Gadi>
*hardy
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<Blinny>
heh
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<Gadi>
bleh
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lemme check hardy's ldm code and see if LDM_USERNAME is exported to the rc.d env
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<Blinny>
Rebuilding image
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Logged in, logged out with no messages, including LDM_USERNAME=myUser
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I can get in and start editing by hand again.
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LDM_USERNAME, LDM_SOCKET and LDM_SERVER are the envs correct?
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<Gadi>
well, you need to be logged in twice, right?
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<Blinny>
Correct. I'm logged in right here.
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2nd terminal, logging in as sameUser
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<Gadi>
ah
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<Blinny>
I'm beginning to feel schizophrenic!
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<Gadi>
one sec - lemme look at ldm.c for a sec
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<Blinny>
Ok.
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<Gadi>
maybe DISPLAY is not exported
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actually, you could do this:
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in the script, make some lines like:
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echo $DISPLAY >> /tmp/junk
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<Blinny>
ah yah good call.
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<Gadi>
echo $LDM_USERNAME >> /tmp/junk
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<Blinny>
re-rolling & rebooting
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That'll output on the thin client env, correct?
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<Gadi>
right
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<Blinny>
Yeah. Looks like LDM_USERNAME is blank.
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DISPLAY outputs :6
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<Gadi>
and, it appears that is the problem
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LDM_USERNAME is not exported to the environment
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crap
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<Blinny>
SOCKET outputs the full /var/run/... path
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<Gadi>
I had thought it was
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<Blinny>
Gadi: If that's the only problem, why did it not Just Work when explicitly specifying LDM_USERNAME
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<Gadi>
maybe that was only in my hacks that didnt get merged
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well, that's abother good question
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perhaps it died before it got to xmessage
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<Blinny>
Let me try with both the echo's and the LDM_USERNAME specified
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<Gadi>
because a lot of those commands are bad if LDM_USERNAME is empty
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<Blinny>
I'm not exporting though, just LDM_USERNAME=myUser correct?
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<Gadi>
yeah, that should be fine
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<Blinny>
Rebooting.
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<Gadi>
ah, you may want to change the word "you're" in your xmessage to: "you are"
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I don't know how it will like the single quote
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<Blinny>
Oh yeah. I had fixed that in my copy before replacing w/ yours.
09:18
Good catch.
09:18
OK. Correctly, LDM_USERNAME is spit out to /tmp/junk when specified.
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<Gadi>
exporting LDM_USERNAME into the env is a 2-line patch to ldm
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<Blinny>
So, maybe it's just the parsing of the '
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<Gadi>
maybe
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try logging in
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of course, you may not want to kill yourself
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:)
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<Blinny>
Rebooting now.
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Hopefully you'll see me die here pretty soon. (;
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<Gadi>
lol
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ah, crap - like my mouse just did
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<Blinny>
Yeh rocka!
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<Gadi>
cool
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<Blinny>
The 'Kill session' works great.
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<Gadi>
ok - well, we need to patch ldm then,
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<Blinny>
Two issues: Cancel should return to LDM greeter, yes? And, the button needs to be centered.
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<Gadi>
heh, well, i'll let you work on the cosmetics of the button
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<Blinny>
Just a -center before -buttons
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<Gadi>
ah, ok
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:)
09:24
in terms of returning to the greeter, we should have cancel kill the local ldm process, probably
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<Blinny>
Is it possible to cancel the current login process when the user clicks Cancel?
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<Gadi>
so that it respawns
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<Blinny>
Is that the only one?
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<Gadi>
well, killing that should take care of things, I think
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<Blinny>
(and will we run into longer-term problems b/c we're not restarting the xserver?)
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(as I recall hearing that a logout usually resets the xserver)
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<Gadi>
you are restarting the xserver
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<Blinny>
:s;resets;restart
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<Gadi>
when ldm respawns
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<Blinny>
Oh. Dig.
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<Gadi>
so, I guess we can call a pkill ldm or some such
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hmm...
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<Blinny>
Shouldn't we be able to just ldmProc=$(ssh -X -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} "/usr/bin/pgrep -n -u ${LDM_USERNAME} ldm") and then pkill -n ?
09:26
er, pkill
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<Gadi>
no
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ldm runs on the client
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not the server
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<ltsppbot>
"Blinny" pasted "cancel functionality" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/4
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<Gadi>
ogra: does ldm store its pid to a file?
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crap
09:28
blinny - hold that thought
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I need to reboot my client one sec
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brb
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<Blinny>
K
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<ltsppbot>
"Blinny" pasted "cancel functionality part deux" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/5
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<Blinny>
More like that?
09:33
No.
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<Gadi>
nope
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<Blinny>
heh
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<Gadi>
you dont need all that
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just call "pkill"
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pkill ldm
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but, I would prefer that we get the ldm pid for the current ldm process
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perhaps we can kill the parent of the current process
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that might be better
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<Blinny>
But it runs on the server, correct, not the thin client?
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<Gadi>
no, the client
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1 sec
09:35* Blinny spins
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<Gadi>
try this
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "Cancel button" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/6
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<Blinny>
$PPID is available?
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<Gadi>
thats set by the shell
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<Blinny>
Coo. Rebooting client now.
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<Gadi>
if that doesn't work, we may need to kill grandpa
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:)
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<Blinny>
grandpa's already defunct
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Yeh, no worky :(
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<jammcq>
good morning
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<Gadi>
yeah, we need to kill grandpa
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morning, grandpa
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:)
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<Blinny>
haaahahaa
09:41* jammcq wonders what he stumbled in to
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<Blinny>
shhhh, everything will be over soon
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<Gadi>
so, quick, jammcq: get the pid for grandpa from a shell
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<jammcq>
that would be PID 1
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go ahead, kill it
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<Gadi>
you heard the man
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "and if that doesn't work..." (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/7
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<Gadi>
oops
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "and if that doesn't work..." (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/8
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<Gadi>
but, its not always 1, jammcq
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "and if that doesn't work..." (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/9
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<Gadi>
one might be better off with that
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<Blinny>
updating & rebooting
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<Gadi>
well, Blinny, my vote is for killing grandpa - as opposed to Adam
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:)
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<Blinny>
...you say tomato...
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<Blinny>
Bummer. Nope.
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Still logs in OK when clicking 'Cancel'
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<Gadi>
which did you do?
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kill 1?
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or kill grandpa?
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<Blinny>
No, the last one. $grandpa=$(ps and kill -9 $grandpa
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<Gadi>
hmm
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wait
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time out
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why do we want the greeter back?
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If you dont want to kill the old user, you want to continue logging in as a second user, no?
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or do we not want to allow that at all?
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<Blinny>
I don't think that is A Good Thing.
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That's me personally. I don't know the technical ramifications of multiple gvfs's and the like on multiple machines.
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<Gadi>
ok, then we should prolly also make this whole script lts.conf-enableable
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something like: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION
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<Blinny>
It would mess up guest/auto logins at kiosks
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<Gadi>
potentially
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right
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<Blinny>
Ok. For now, I'm going to remove this, as everyone is logging in, and changing LDM_USERNAME to myUser on login. (;
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<Gadi>
lol
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yeah
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lemme look to see if the pid of the current ldm is stored anywhere
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<Blinny>
Need me any more? First day back after 8 days away so I got a stack of TODOs. ping me if you need debugging/testing.
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<Gadi>
can you check the client's /var/run
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?
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<Blinny>
Yah one sec
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I just see language, session and rating
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in /var/run/ldm/$SERVER_IP
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So, no. I don't see a ldm pid.
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<Gadi>
for now, you can prolly just do: pkill ldm
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in the elif
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but, I would prefer something more democratic
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:)
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at some point, I will create an ldm patch to export LDM_USERNAME
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<Blinny>
There's a slightly-related bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/232532 dealing with not killing processes on logout.
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Nevermind. It wouldn't suit to hijack.
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<Gadi>
well, this would solve that
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at least on next login
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and do it relatively cleanly
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<Blinny>
Right.
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That's really why all this started.
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(for me
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<cliebow>
Gadi:ping
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<Gadi>
pong
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cliebow: ?
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<cliebow>
ohh sorry to bother you..guess i got a handle on it
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<Gadi>
heh
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<epoxy|w3rk>
any suggestions on a kiosk style browser that can allow pdf files to be opened. I can't seem to get rkeiosk or openkeisk (=exactly what i need) to play nice with any sort of popup
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<vagrantc>
just backported ldm 2.0.6 to etch, for those that use the backports ...
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<vagrantc>
debian backports, that is
16:15* ogra applauds
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<vagrantc>
didn't really require any changes ... just merged my ldm-debian-packaging into ldm-etch-backports-packaging, resolved a few trivial conflicts, and tested :)
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definitely like it when it goes like that.
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<ogra>
well, you likely need ltspfs as well ... no ?
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<vagrantc>
well, i backported that a long time ago ...
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<ogra>
ah
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<vagrantc>
although it's a couple versions behind still ...
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still works :)
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<ogra>
i think i'll have my first backports ever from intrepid to hardy now ...
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<vagrantc>
i'll probably try and backport ltsp and ltspfs next :)
16:19* ogra just tests fedoras liveusb-creator
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<vagrantc>
backports are really nice when you don't have to make many changes
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<ogra>
once in my life i touch a fedora tool and not even warren is around ...
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<vagrantc>
because supporting increasingly disparate versions is a headache
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ogra: what's fedora's liveusb-creator got going for it?
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<ogra>
well, its a frontend to dd
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<vagrantc>
if i had to do that for debian, i'd probably use debian-live or maybe even ltsp :)
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<ogra>
nothing more
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<vagrantc>
oh.
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heh.
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<ogra>
just dd*ing an iso to USB key
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and offering you a device selection puldown for that
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<vagrantc>
impressive.
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<ogra>
heh
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our OEM team looks for a free tool to give to windows users for putting images on USB ...
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so i'm inspecting possibilities
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that tool seems to be not it though, it just exploded in my face
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telling me there is not enough free space on the empty 2G key to put a 700M image on it
16:27* vagrantc steps on blackberry thorns and pokes nice holes in vagrantc's feet
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<vagrantc>
this may, strangely enough, bode well for backporting more stuff
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