IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 January 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Joris>
this client is not authorized to connect to the server
01:55
-> what causes this?
01:55
and how can I solve it
01:55
it's just another machine in the network that used to work fine - now it's only returning this message when we login
01:58
<johnny>
try running ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
01:59
it is usually caused when you change the server ip
01:59
<Joris>
hmm
01:59
I have indeed changed ip's
01:59
(moved the 'main' ip arround and added the original as an alias)
01:59
<johnny>
if you change ips you have to do that
01:59
<Joris>
is it possible only one of the many clients does this?
02:00
<johnny>
shouldn't be
02:01* johnny has to run
02:01
<johnny>
bbiab
02:01
<Joris>
cya :)
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<yemu>
hi, is it possible that thin clients work slower in the ltsp5, i've been using ltsp in dapper and recently switched to gusty
03:09
and it seems that everything is slower
03:11
are there any tips to speed things up?
03:12
i have 3 clients and sempron 3000 server running at 1.8ghz and 1 gig ram
03:16
<johnny>
add LDM_DIRECTX = True
03:16
to lts.conf
03:17
it is somewhat of a security hole tho, but no worse than ltsp 4
03:18
<yemu>
and where is lts.conf?
03:19
in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ ?
03:19
<johnny>
yes
03:21
<yemu>
do i have to reboot the server or just the terminals?
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<yemu>
hi does anyone knows how to enable sound in flash on thinclients?
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<ogra>
yemu, install libflsahsupport
06:48
*libflashsupport
06:48
(on the server)
06:49
yemu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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<yemu>
ogra: tnx, do i have to reboot my server, or just client?
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<jammcq>
RichEd: hey
09:55
<RichEd>
hi jammcq :)
09:55
<jammcq>
how you doing?
09:55
<RichEd>
all the best for the new year etc.
09:55
well thanks and self ?
09:55
<jammcq>
doing well
09:55
<RichEd>
have you seen ogra around & about ? gotta quick question for him
09:56
<jammcq>
he's been here this morning
09:56
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <ogra> yemu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
09:56
<jammcq>
well, 3hrs ago, anyway
09:56
<RichEd>
thanks ... will press on then ...
09:56
bye for now
09:56
<jammcq>
ok, see ya later
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10:04
<RichEd>
actually jammcq can i ask you ... perhaps you can assist being far more linxu literate than I am
10:04
for a DD copy onto a USB stick, I need the 3 letter device ID for the USB stick
10:05
the instructions tell me to run dmesg and look for the 3 letter id within [ ] in the eight lines of output that begin with SD
10:05* RichEd has tried that but cannot see any [ ]
10:06
<RichEd>
do you know much about that sort of topic ?
10:06
<jammcq>
ok, like sda or sdb ?
10:06
<RichEd>
that's what I think ...
10:07
<jammcq>
well, right after inserting the usb stick, run dmesg
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and in the last 10 lines or so, you should see it. amongst a whole lot of other stuff
10:07
if you could paste those 10 lines to http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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<jaffo>
i'm trying to get ltsp working on a new install of debian etch, followed the wiki for ltsp and after running ltsp-build-client it says successfully completed. when i boot a client the i get an ip address from the pxeboot but says tftp error file not found
10:44
any ideas where to start looking
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<cliebow>
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 5 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I guess the idea is: ship it in the safe, encrypted mode, and then if people decide they can be less safe, in exchange for speed, then they can, easily.
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<klausade>
vagrantc: i'm still not having any success with newest backport of ltsp for etch, can't get X to work for me. Well, X does work when I use xdebconf and give the client a ready made xorg.conf.
11:56
<vagrantc>
klausade: hrm.
11:56
klausade: what video cards?
11:57
klausade: the code is nearly identical to what's in etch or in the previous backports, so that's perplexing.
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<klausade>
vagrantc: mostly intel cards.
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<vagrantc>
klausade: i'm curious if it works with sid ...
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klausade: you could build a sid chroot on an etch server ... --dist sid
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<klausade>
vagrantc: i'll give it a go, later.
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<vagrantc>
klausade: and try first without xdebconfigurator ...
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<vagrantc>
klausade: i think h01ger made backports of X.org for etch
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<klausade>
vagrantc: right now I have a funny one: with 5.0.8debian3 the cdrom only works if there is a harddrive in the machine. just found out.
12:04
vagrantc: yes, i know of his backports. I even tried adding them to the xtra-mirror.
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: does libflashsupport actually need pulseaudio 0.9.7 ?
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<vagrantc>
klausade: and i'm guessing you've tried with little to no modifications from the defaults... ?
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<klausade>
vagrantc: yes
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<lns>
Anyone have a clue as to my earlier list post regarding X_RAMPERC causing my older iPaq PCs not to boot into ldm? http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg32447.html
14:54
<johnny>
ipaq pcs?
14:54
i didn't even know there was such a thing :)
14:54
<lns>
johnny, haha..i know, this was the first i've seen of them too!
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i've got 5 labs full of them
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<johnny>
why would they use the name ipaq for a pda too ???
14:56
or vice versa rather
14:56
<lns>
lol...dunno my friend
14:56
<johnny>
sorry.. i can't help with that issue myself
14:56
<lns>
just the name, huh? =p
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<johnny>
my env is way less intense than yours
14:57
only 4 machines
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<lns>
i'm positive it has to do with their video ram..i hope i can allocate more to it in the BIOS - that's the only thing i haven't tried
14:58
but with the lts.conf X_RAMPERC off, they boot up. if it's on, at 01 or 99 value, they get the msg in the link
14:59
i think the x server tries to allocate all the vid memory to the server and can't because there's a limit - even though it will re-allocate it to GUIs and programs and such
14:59
i might be totally off base but i think it could be a possibility, even if a bug in the code/parm itself, or something...
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<linux2>
this workstation isn't authorized to connect to server. Anyone know how to fix that
15:05
it was working before but now I rebooted and none of my clients are allowed to connect
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<laga>
did you reboot the server?
15:05
<linux2>
yeah
15:05
<laga>
where do you get that message?
15:05
<linux2>
on the client
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<linux2>
the server is running
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and the client is connected at the X login screen
15:06
when i try to login
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it says this workstation isn't authorized to connect to server
15:07
<vagrantc>
ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<cliebow>
yecch..beat me to it
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<vagrantc>
and if newer ubuntu, ltsp-update-image too
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<laga>
i was somewhat reluctant to suggest that because i have no clue how ltsp works ;)
15:08* cliebow cliebow not quick on the draw..
15:08* vagrantc was typing one-handed
15:08* cliebow cliebow is trying out a powermac//
15:09* laga is hacking fat client support into his ltsp install
15:10
<linux2>
vagrantc: thanks
15:10
<cliebow>
laga..like an ssh -x?
15:10
<laga>
cliebow: no, like boot into a full X session
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<cliebow>
ok..dokey
15:11
like using our ldm/
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?
15:11
<laga>
no, like using gdm
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<cliebow>
local gdm?
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<laga>
yep
15:12
using aufs (another unionfs) and a nfs share on top of the squashfs so you can use it like a normal workstation
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<laga>
and wake on lan support for the server ;)
15:14
<cliebow>
i see..i used chubby macintosh client for a while..but remote gdm
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<jaffo>
can someone assist me with getting ltspworking
15:14
<cliebow>
we'll give it a try..
15:14
<jaffo>
when i boot a client it gets an ipaddredd but seems to stop for a long time trying to boot
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<cliebow>
px?
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e?
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<jaffo>
says trying to load pxelinux.config
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yes
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and it never loads
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eventually says file not found or something
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<cliebow>
this is ubuntu/
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<jaffo>
so i did rm -rf /opt/ltsp and started over
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<cliebow>
?
15:15
<jaffo>
debian latest
15:16
and i did apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone again then ltsp-client-build
15:16
<cliebow>
we got your debian guru here..
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<jaffo>
both complted sucessfully
15:16
<cliebow>
do you have tftp ruunning?
15:16
<jaffo>
ps x shows it running
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<cliebow>
try netstat -anp|grep ":69"
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just for kicks
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<jaffo>
zeus:/opt/ltsp/i386# netstat -anp|grep ":69"
15:17
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2612/inetd
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thats what i get
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<cliebow>
beautiwah..
15:18
perhaps use pastebot.ltsp.org to post your dhcpd.conf
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<jaffo>
ok one sec
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<cliebow>
see the dropdown so it posts to this list?
15:19
<ltsppbot>
"jaffo" pasted "dhcp.conf" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/422
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<jaffo>
thats cool
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<cliebow>
looks perfectly stock..you should have pxelinux.0 in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
15:21
and a pxeliux.cfg folder with default in it as well
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<jaffo>
just checked, i have both as you say
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<cliebow>
your server ip is 192.168.1.1?
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<jaffo>
my router is, the server is .10
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<cliebow>
vagrantc:is ther no next-server requirement nymore?
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<jaffo>
iread something on the wiki about a bug maybe requireing that line
15:24
says something like nextserver ip.address.of.server or something to that effect
15:24
<cliebow>
not exactly a bug..just a reinterpretation
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<vagrantc>
cliebow: next-server is needed on debian, ubuntu has patched dhcp3-server to not require it
15:25
<cliebow>
ahh great..
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<jaffo>
so where in dhcpd.conf do i put that line
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<vagrantc>
upstream isc dhcpd requires it
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<jaffo>
and is it "next-server ip.addres.of.server;"
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<cliebow>
jaffo: try it under the option sttements
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next-server "192,168.1.10";
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iirc
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<cliebow>
restart dhcp
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next server 192.168.1.10;
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<jaffo>
loading vmlinuz.....
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progress...
15:30
eth0 link up
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<cliebow>
...drumroll....
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<jaffo>
hmmm seemsto have paused there
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<cliebow>
dont suppose there are 2 nics in your client...
15:31
<jaffo>
no in neither the clients nor the server
15:32
should i put a second in the server even though it connects to the same router
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<cliebow>
check on your sever logs..with tail -f see that two dhcp requests are made when your client boots..
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<jaffo>
it looked as though it was going to load, that's the furthest so far
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<cliebow>
no dont need a second necessarily
15:33
<jaffo>
ok that's what i read
15:33
i read something about sshkeys needing to be reset if i changed the ip from the default
15:34
could that be a problem
15:34
<cliebow>
not at this stage
15:34
sshkeys only come into play at the login screen
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<jaffo>
ok
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<cliebow>
your first dhcp request works cause pxelinux works and installs the kernel and initramfs on the client
15:36
the kernel on client then initializes the network card and asks dhcp a second time for a root-path
15:37
if that seond request is successful then your nfs server comes into play..
15:37
umm..scratch that..
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<vagrantc>
is it possible that your router is running a DHCP server also?
15:37
<jaffo>
nope, its disabled
15:38
i made sure again
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<cliebow>
so you should see both requests in your server logs
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<jaffo>
maybe beyond the scope ofthis channel but if you don't mind, where do i look
15:41
<cliebow>
umm in /var/log..must be messages..or daemon.log..or auth.log..
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<cliebow>
i havnt used debian..
15:41
Hey Steve!!!
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<PMant1s>
sup guys
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<jaffo>
syslog
15:41
ok i see one DHCPDISCOVER
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and one DHCPOFFER
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<cliebow>
not much new...other than ltsp is all new
15:42
jaffo: use tail -f /var/log/syslog and watch in real tme as the client boots..
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<jaffo>
ok doing now
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<ltsppbot>
"jaffo" pasted "dhcp" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/423
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<jaffo>
there'swhat i get
15:45
something in there about client doesnt' accept options from tftpd
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<cliebow>
do you know what card is in the client? you see tftp is giving a warning..but its function is long complete when secod request comes in
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<jaffo>
intel pro/1000
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<cliebow>
i am not sure if that gig card is supported
15:47
or was that a typo/
15:47
<jaffo>
its the samecard in the server
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<PMant1s>
doesn't that use the same driver as the pro/100?
15:48
<jaffo>
yes
15:48
and the link is only 10/100
15:48
err 10M
15:48* jaffo thinks
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<cliebow>
1o meg....that may be the prob..
15:49
try a crossover?
15:49
<PMant1s>
X will be a little swow with that, but should work
15:49
<jaffo>
yeah its only one client right now
15:49
<cliebow>
Pmantis:is nt there some negotiation problem there..
15:49
<jaffo>
will be 1gig when done
15:49
when i get this one working
15:50
they will all work
15:50
<PMant1s>
hmmm dunno
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<cliebow>
jaffo: can you at least try with 100 meg switch??
15:51
<jaffo>
it's coming it willbe here monday
15:51
<PMant1s>
heh
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<cliebow>
ive never made a gig crossover...
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<jaffo>
but i'd thought it should work but slowly with this 10mbitrouter
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<cliebow>
something tels me there is a negotiation problem..but maybe i am thinking of nfs..
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<PMant1s>
symptom?
15:53
how far doe it get?
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<cliebow>
his pastebot shows second dhcp only contains discover/offer...no request
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or ack
15:54
jaffo: dont suppose you have ethereal..so you can watch the packets?
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<jaffo>
apt-get install etherreal ?
15:55
heh
15:55
<cliebow>
yep
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<cliebow>
it is totally awesome..
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<laga>
wireshark is the name these days
15:56
<cliebow>
oh yeah,,
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<jaffo>
ok got it
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<PMant1s>
hmm I'm on my cell phone, so I can't open pastebin.. heh
15:58
<cliebow>
cool...boot the client with it listening...
15:58
Damn you're god
15:58
whoops
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<jaffo>
oh problem
15:58
<cliebow>
s/god/good
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<jaffo>
i'm ssh'd to the server and wireshark is gui
15:59
right ?
15:59
<PMant1s>
lol
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<cliebow>
there is something like tethereal..ive never used it
15:59
which installs with ethereal
16:00
Jan 19 15:43:51 zeus dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:0c:29:03:73:b6 via eth0
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Jan 19 15:43:51 zeus dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.1.199 to 00:0c:29:03:73:b6 via eth0
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thats all he gets fro second dhcp..over and over
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<PMant1s>
yeah... I think a 100 M connection will fix that
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<jaffo>
ok i type tshark and lots of stuff flying across the screen
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what do i do now
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<cliebow>
NOW you have to read it 8~)
16:02
you are seeing your own ssh traffic..
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mostly
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<vagrantc>
usually, i fix this problem by replacing the ethernet card(s), the switch(es) or the cable(s)
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<cliebow>
you can take that out...
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<vagrantc>
i.e. DHCP server see the client, sends a response, and the client doesn't seem to see it, and keeps asking again
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<cliebow>
jaffo: we thinks you need a better switch..
16:04* PMant1s nods
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<jaffo>
ok let me did around here and see what i can find
16:04
<vagrantc>
i would start with a crossover
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<cliebow>
crossover..assuming there is such a thing..
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<jaffo>
thanks for your help
16:05
<cliebow>
no prob..
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<PMant1s>
gig cards auto crossover.. part of the gig standard.
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<cliebow>
i see
16:07
someday i will have one of those babies
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<vagrantc>
oooh. autosense
16:10
that sure is nice.
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<jaffo>
we've got login screen...
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bad cable end
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<cliebow>
WOOT!
16:11
<jaffo>
awsome
16:11
ok now the fun stuff begins
16:12* PMant1s dances
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<cliebow>
will she login?
16:12
<jaffo>
and it's 100Mbit connection
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i'm in the desktop
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<cliebow>
Coolio!!!
16:12
<jaffo>
looks crappy a little blurry but im in
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and very fast
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<cliebow>
gig cards 8~)
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<jaffo>
what do i edit to mess with the graphics
16:12
the stuff in /opt/ltsp
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<cliebow>
be careful..
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<jaffo>
ofcourse
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:;)
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<cliebow>
those are controlled by an lts.conf
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<jaffo>
ok
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<cliebow>
newer editions download an lts.conf if it exists from /var/lib/tftpboot
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but i think an .ts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc wil be the default
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lts.conf
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<jaffo>
ok one quick question and i'm off. where can i find out about accessing/storing data on usb key on the client
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<cliebow>
i believe it should just work..
16:16
<jaffo>
hmmm lets see
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<cliebow>
the key should appear on the servers desktop that yuo are looking at on the client
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<PMant1s>
there's a local option in lts.conf, right?
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<cliebow>
on by default i think
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<jaffo>
i plug inthe usb key on the client that i just booted and nothing happens
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<cliebow>
that is i think in vagrantc's department...in production im still in 4.2
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<PMant1s>
ahh mue-cow
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<PMant1s>
oops
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<jaffo>
ok i lied one more...
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<cliebow>
?
16:26
<stgraber>
jaffo: you should have a "fuse" group on the server, add your users to this group so they can access the remote devices
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<jaffo>
you guys know how to boot a vmware image that will boot into the server
16:27
using the pxeboot in the vmwares bios
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<stgraber>
yup, just bridge it to the network interface, then press F12 (or similar)
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it'll boot using PXE
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<PMant1s>
you can set it to default to PXE, too
16:28
<jaffo>
if i can get that to work windoze is on its way out
16:29
so people can get used to it for a while then one day. gone.
16:30
<cliebow>
jaffo:wont just an f12 allow you to pick network boot without involving vmware?
16:31
<stgraber>
yes, best would be to use BIOS boot device selection instead of running an emulator on top of Windows
16:31
you can also burn a CD or floppy to start PXE, then they just have to remove the floppy/CD to boot from the HDD
16:31
<PMant1s>
yah
16:31
<jaffo>
that sounds better
16:32
is there a howto/wiki on doing that
16:32
<PMant1s>
or ise PXEgrub and give them a menu
16:32
<cliebow>
yah
16:32
<jaffo>
pxegrub?
16:32
<stgraber>
www.rom-o-matic.net will be your friend for the floppy/iso thing
16:32
(may vary from a NIC to another)
16:32
<PMant1s>
not part of ltsp, but yes.
16:32
<cliebow>
yay Marty!!
16:33
<PMant1s>
my PXE menu lists memtest, local hdm etc
16:33
<jaffo>
i'm looking that up. that sounds like better option
16:33
<PMant1s>
errr HD
16:34
I think I'm using PXEmenu... or whatever it's called.
16:34
not home to look. :)
16:35
<jaffo>
ok i'm thinking here... dangerous... anyway for the wireless notebook users, is there a way to get them onboard,wirelessly or using a usbkey with the wep info etc on it
16:36
<laga>
wlan should be possible if you ad the necessary stuff to the initramfs. that'll be one of the next things i'm doing i think
16:36
but i'd guess there are ready-made scripts for that
16:37
<jaffo>
that would be very cool
16:37* laga hasn't looked around yet
16:37
<cliebow>
jaffo:that is a problem..
16:38
<stgraber>
you need to have the initramfs stored locally
16:39
and contains the wireless bit so it can mount the fs
16:39
<cliebow>
you got a catch22 there..
16:39
as stgraber sys
16:40
<laga>
i think i added the necessary hacks to put the kernel + initramfs to a usb pen drive
16:40
just gotta verify :)
16:40
<cliebow>
cool!
16:41
<jaffo>
i'm looking and it appears someone is working on using pxegrub to boot a broadcom wireless card and has had some success
16:41
<laga>
in my local tree that is. i'll start submitting patches soon
16:41
jaffo: i've got a prism2-based card which can be used with etherboot. of course, it only works on unencrypted wlans
16:41
was pretty cool, though :)
16:42
<cliebow>
yeah...the undoable is now the norm
16:42
<jaffo>
that would work, the router blocks access to only MAC's in the config anyway so its not encrypted as it is now
16:43
<laga>
that's pretty insecure
16:43
unless you put a VPN on top of that
16:44
<jaffo>
yeah its a vpn
16:44
i'm gonna have to start logging this damn channel i forgot
16:45
<PMant1s>
hehe
16:45
<cliebow>
hehee
16:45
<laga>
would be cool to add vpn support to the initramfs
16:45
i'm starting to like all the early userspace stuff
16:46
<PMant1s>
ok time to go... naybe BBL
16:46
err maybe
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<jaffo>
i just tried booting an empty vmware profile and pressing f12, it got about as far as the real system did before i replaced the cable
16:51
its on a wireless notebook with vmware workstation installed
16:51
looked promising though
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