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Channel log from 12 April 2012   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<alkisg>
Ouch... in Precise, thin client sessions no longer contain LTSP_CLIENT etc for me
00:04
stgraber: X51-opengl: export CLIENT_ENV="$(ClIENT_ENV) LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true"
00:05
Typo there, ruining all the environment
00:05
(small case L in ClIENT)
00:06
I'll file a bug, so that you get notified, as it's really late in the cycle...
00:09
<vagrantc>
ugh.
00:09
visually tricky to see.
00:11* alkisg ==> pumpkin :)
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00:12
<vagrantc>
could prepare an upload tomorrow, probably.
00:12
ah, and it's only applied when LDM_DIRECTX is in use...
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01:19
<sbalneav>
Evening all
01:55
<highvoltage>
hallo
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08:45
<mealstrom>
hi, im with nfs_home problem again (server: ubuntu 10.04 i386, client ubuntu 10.10 i386).
08:48
(client side): function configure_home from /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common -- works ok when i run it manualy. it mounts home and adds record to /etc/fstab . All parameters that are exported is ok.
08:50
i've event add to /etc/init.d/nfshome start script with "mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,bg,user,exec 192.168.2.244:/ /home" that works too if it is run manualy. From lts.conf RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/nfshome . (tried both /etc/init.d/nfshome start and just executable )
08:51
dont know why it doesnt work (
08:55
<alkisg>
And if you put just an echo in the top of /etc/init.d/nfshome, does it work? E.g.:
08:55
date > /tmp/nfshome.$$
08:56
I.e. are you sure that this file does indeed get executed?
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09:15
<supersensitive>
Heyy
09:16
I got sound working over rdp but if i stream any thing its choppy if i playback a downloaded file its fine. Any thing i can do??
09:17
A Flash video was the conditions in question
09:18
<mealstrom>
alkisg: it isnt executed. ive tryed with echo. and why it isnt i dont know
09:19
<alkisg>
mealstrom: did you redirect the output of echo in a file? Because it might not show up in screen otherwise...
09:19
<mealstrom>
i even tryed to add this script with update-rc.d -- but no luck
09:19
alkisg: ive made > /tmp/somelog
09:20
<alkisg>
OK. Again, are you completely sure that all these show up in `getltscfg -a` ?
09:21
<mealstrom>
RCFILE_01="/etc/init.d/nfshome" at RCFILE_01="/etc/init.d/nfshome"
09:21
*at getltscfg -a
09:22
all variables are exported and are shown at client
09:22
<alkisg>
And that file is executable, right? chmod +x etc...
09:22
<mealstrom>
yes. ive checked this
09:23
<alkisg>
And you ran ltsp-update-image.... ok just making sure about the basic stuff
09:23
<mealstrom>
yes. i've done this. and on client it has +x
09:25
<alkisg>
Does the client have direct access to the internet? E.g. with NAT from the server?
09:25
<mealstrom>
yes. it has
09:25
<supersensitive>
I mean short of upgrading to 10 gig ethernet :-))
09:25
<alkisg>
mealstrom: I can't think of anything specifically, but do you want me to have a quick look on the booted client?
09:25
!socat-screen
09:25
<ltsp>
alkisg: socat-screen: to share a local thin client shell with a remote person, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/socat-screen
09:26
<supersensitive>
Which i have been playing with the idea but will the clients even have nic driver
09:26
<alkisg>
mealstrom: There's no need to do all the stuff in the wiki page, 2 commands are needed only to share a client shell
09:27
sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
09:27
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
09:27
(locally on the client)
09:29
<supersensitive>
Any 1 ? ?
09:30
The lines is not at fault tthat is. a corperate 10 meg up 10 meg down
09:31
<alkisg>
supersensitive: try xfreerdp
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09:33
<supersensitive>
I will look
09:33
Tnx
09:41
So will that be ok for vbox / m$ terminal servers rdp
09:42
I just need to phaten my thin client?
09:43
<alkisg>
You don't need to phaten anything, it's just a newer rdesktop replacement
09:43
mealstrom: you check for ${1} = start in your RCFILE
09:43
But LTSP doesn't call it with a parameter
09:43
<mealstrom>
yes, it parameter start
09:43
like /etc/init.d/mynfshome start
09:44
<alkisg>
Yes, but again, LTSP won't call it with a parametr
09:44
So it won't mount your nfs dir
09:44
Nor echo anything in /tmp
09:44
<mealstrom>
i've tryed it just like a mount string
09:44
with no luck
09:44
<supersensitive>
Surely you would have to implant the replacement to /opt/srv and update the image.
09:44
<mealstrom>
like mount -t nfs4 .... /home
09:44
<alkisg>
supersensitive: depending on your distro/version, dunno what you use
09:46
<mealstrom>
configure_home fucntion is what you saw at /tmp/ttt
09:46
<alkisg>
mealstrom: did you scp ttt from your server, or did you put it in the chroot?
09:47
<mealstrom>
client side): function configure_home from /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common -- works ok when i run it manualy. it mounts home and adds record to /etc/fstab . All parameters that are exported is ok.
09:47
i've created ttt on client to test what system do
09:47
<alkisg>
OK, so you still don't have any scripts in your chroot that would work with RCFILE
09:48
Create one, that doesn't need any parameters, run ltsp-update-image, and put RCFILE in lts.conf as you have now
09:48
<mealstrom>
i've got /etc/init.d/nfshome at chroot
09:48
<alkisg>
As I said, that won't work because it needs a parameter
09:48
And LTSP doesn't pass a "start" parameter to RCFILEs
09:48
<mealstrom>
ive tryed without paramers
09:48
<alkisg>
Try again
09:48
<mealstrom>
ok.
09:48
<alkisg>
So that I can see what went wrong
09:49
<mealstrom>
please notice that ive add nfshome to rc.d
09:49
<alkisg>
OK, but we're not troubleshooting init now
09:49
We're trying to do it the ltsp -way
09:49
<mealstrom>
ok
09:50
<alkisg>
Also no, it's not in rc.d
09:51
<supersensitive>
Fyi i use debian sid ific
09:54
So just chroot into the client directory and indtall from apt
09:54
<alkisg>
Then xfreerdp should be the default, afaik
09:54
<supersensitive>
Oo
09:55
Hehe
09:57
Hmmmmnm just had a thought as its a vm i am thibg maybe flash plugin needs to run with no gfx/sound acceleration
09:58
Excuse typos this screen is not big enough
10:12
Also curious if the ltsp-sound thingy makes any consideration regarding quality
10:13
Lower qual would not concern me in this outset but i suspect it going to be the equiv of raw
10:14
<alkisg>
supersensitive: first, try to get the results you want from a non-ltsp client
10:15
Once you've solved all you rdp-related problems, whatever remains is an ltsp issue
10:15
...which I suspect there isn't :)
10:15
E.g. try raising the default rdp quality with -lan or -x or -whatever options
10:15* alkisg isn't using rdp
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10:25
<mealstrom>
alkisg: no luck with init.d
10:26
<alkisg>
mealstrom: what are the current script contents?
10:26
!pastebin
10:26
<ltsp>
alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
10:26
<mealstrom>
2 lines: mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,bg,user,exec 192.168.2.244:/ /home
10:26
echo "Done mounting NFSHOME script" > /tmp/nfsmount
10:26
<alkisg>
No #!/bin/sh at the top?
10:27
<mealstrom>
#!/bin/bash - first one
10:27
ive made grep -v "#". sorry
10:27
<alkisg>
If you run `service ltsp-client-setup start`, do you get /tmp/nfsmount ?
10:28
<mealstrom>
no i dont
10:28
<alkisg>
Weird, can you connect to me with socat again?
10:29
<mealstrom>
yes. wait 1 min plz
10:30
done
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10:35
<alkisg>
mealstrom: remove the comments from your lts.conf and try again
10:35
<mealstrom>
ok
10:37
<alkisg>
!ltsp-bug
10:37
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
10:37
<alkisg>
mealstrom: file a bug in upstream ltsp, mentioning that eval $(getltscfg -a) has problems with spaces
10:37
*with comments, sorry
10:37
eval $(echo "echo one
10:37
> #comment
10:37
> echo two")
10:37
one
10:37
<mealstrom>
ok
10:37
i saw it
10:37
tnx
10:37
<alkisg>
It needs to be quoted to work
10:38
It's very weird that noone saw it yet
10:39
Ah
10:39
getltscfg -a isn't supposed to return comments
10:40
So there's something in your (previous) lts.conf that confuses getltscfg
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10:50
<JensenDan>
Hello all of you.. now the srv is up and running smooth (exept a little hardware error ;)) BUT. when i just pust the button on the client machine, and it closes down. the ltsp server ends the session. how to prevent that? i want it so if i open gedit on the terminal client, then logout and in again, then i want gedit to still be open..
10:54
anyone?
10:55
<alkisg>
It's not possible with stock X windows
10:55
So you either need an X proxy, or to use NX, or VNC, etc
10:56
<JensenDan>
ffs :-/
10:57
iam used to Windows terminal server. and now want to hook this up. to see if it is that much better.. so far so good. seems good. just that end session issue, and that the logon time is very slow.. and when i hook up eth0 with my router i loose acces to the server..
10:59
what seems to be the best soulution X proxy ore nx?
10:59
<alkisg>
How much slow? More than 30 seconds?
10:59
<JensenDan>
no. i dont think it is slower than 30 sec.
10:59
<alkisg>
The ethX problem is probably just a setup issue
11:00
<JensenDan>
yeah.. iam aware of that, that is also the smallest of them.
11:00
<alkisg>
I haven't tried either X proxies (too unmaintained) nor NX for LAN (too slow)
11:00
<JensenDan>
i believe that if it dosent end the session, the login time would be much less.
11:01
is that NX a standalone program like vnc?
11:01
<alkisg>
Yes
11:01
Of course you can run that like an ltsp screen
11:01
<JensenDan>
omg.. how come there is not support for not killing the session :s that is one very importent thing in a ts setup :s
11:02
and that nx, you have to pay for, tight?
11:02
<alkisg>
No
11:02
<JensenDan>
hmm..
11:02
so, if i use this NX.. then i can trow away the ltsp server?
11:02
<alkisg>
If you have other means to boot your clients, sure
11:03
Or you can still netboot them with ltsp, and use nx on top of it
11:03
<JensenDan>
but, that nx is very slow?
11:03
<alkisg>
It's like windows rdp
11:03
X is much faster than both of them
11:04
<JensenDan>
in my setup i think x is slower then windows rdp would do the login.
11:04
<alkisg>
Try playing a full screen video on those two
11:05
!directx
11:05
<ltsp>
alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
11:06
<JensenDan>
hmm. let me get this straight.. if i want to keep the session, i need to install nx ? and that can run on top og ltsp? is it hard to setup?
11:06
<alkisg>
If you install e.g. x2go (one of the nx implementations) in your ltsp server, then you can have resumable sessions on that server from any other OS
11:07
!x2go
11:07
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "x2go" is not a valid command.
11:07
<alkisg>
Anyway google for x2go
11:07
<JensenDan>
"from any other os" .. i hope i still can do the PXE boot ?
11:08
<alkisg>
Sure
11:08
x2go is not related to LTSP or to how your clients boot
11:08
<JensenDan>
nice.. does that x2go give more options to set up user rights?
11:08
<alkisg>
User rights are related to linux in general
11:09
So no, I don't think a remote desktop program changes linux rights
11:10
<JensenDan>
hmm. all right.. maybe it is just me. but if you know win rdp. then you know the rights to "Dont show this computer" and so on.. is that possible in ubuntu/ltsp?
11:10
<alkisg>
No I don't know what "don't show this computer" is
11:10
What does it do?
11:12
<JensenDan>
11:14
<alkisg>
You can hide desktop shortcuts from windows groups?! I don't think so...
11:14
Just try to explain what you want to do in linux
11:14
<JensenDan>
11:15
ltsp is the group name..
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11:16
<alkisg>
But there's no terminal shortcut in LTSP
11:16
You login with that
11:17
<JensenDan>
ehm.. ill try on another way.. the "system" tap in the top panel. i dont want the 10 users in that group to see that tap.
11:17
now i have installed the x2go.
11:17
<alkisg>
If you want to edit the menus per group, use the edubuntu menu editor
11:18
But it doesn't make much sense, people can run the apps from a terminal anyway
11:18
Better rely on groups permissions themselves, not on hidden menus...
11:19
<elias_a>
alkisg: Those who can use terminal deserve better service :)
11:19
<JensenDan>
yes that is what i want :D the group permission, but i cant find it ? :)
11:19
<alkisg>
JensenDan: again, try to say exactly what you're after
11:19
First you said the login
11:19
Then to hide the menus
11:19
Now you're saying about group permissions
11:19
Give a specific example...
11:19
<JensenDan>
yes.. but i meant hide the menus with group rights. iam sorry :(
11:20
<alkisg>
So you don't want the proper solution, you just want to hide the menus
11:20
<JensenDan>
that was what i was talking about with the win rdp "dont show blabla.."
11:20
<alkisg>
OK, run edubuntu-menu-editor
11:21
<JensenDan>
i would also like to know where to find the group permissions :P
11:21
<alkisg>
elias_a: hehe, true, I keep waiting for a student of mine to crack the whole system, so that I can make him sysadmin :D
11:21
JensenDan: for general linux stuff, better ask in your distro channel, or just google it
11:21
<JensenDan>
Fair :)
11:22
the ltsp problem with the eth0 and eth1 setup (so that i can have internet even if iam testing from client side)
11:22
<andygraybeal>
is everyone running 12.04 with gnome-failback or without?
11:22
<elias_a>
alkisg: Real attitude! :D
11:22
<alkisg>
andygraybeal: everyone? or anyone? :D
11:22
<andygraybeal>
yay, words :P
11:22* alkisg really prefers gnome-fallback
11:22
<andygraybeal>
it doesn't[ matter; anyone, everyone.
11:22
<JensenDan>
is the problem, that the eth0 "gets adress from router" and the eth1 has the same ip range?
11:22
eth1 is fixed.
11:22
but it is 2 diffrent networks.
11:23
cable from router into server, and cable from server onto switch witch the client also are connected to.
11:23
<alkisg>
pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
11:23
<andygraybeal>
alkisg, okay rock'in. thanks
11:23
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_precise_desktop&num=1 <-- this article came up on reddit, ubuntu 12.04slows down desktop
11:24
<alkisg>
Not only ubuntu
11:24
Gnome 3 and KDE 4 and *compositors slow it down too
11:24
<JensenDan>
http://pastebin.com/YpiGEmTz
11:24
<alkisg>
auto eht1 => typo
11:24
Also you really don't want both dhcp AND static address
11:25
<JensenDan>
auto eht1 => typo ? you mean?
11:25
<alkisg>
eth, not eht
11:25
<JensenDan>
so i delete the auto eth1 ?
11:25
Oh :D
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11:32
<JensenDan>
that simple little typo was the internet problem.. nice.
11:32
so far so good.. thanks a lot.. now i have installed the x2go and the client booted into the ltsp logon screen..
11:32
what then? :)
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11:33
<alkisg>
First try it by logging in and running it manually to see if it does what you want
11:34
Then if you want to use it with LTSP you'll need to create a custom 'screen script'
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11:39
<JensenDan>
so far so good. network with clients booting
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11:43
<JensenDan>
hmm
11:43
hardware crash on server.. the screen gets totally fucked up.. i think it is hardware fault .
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11:44
<JensenDan>
but it happens in connection with client logon :s
11:44
btw..
11:44
after reboot it dosent set the static ip on the eth1 and beacuse of that dosent start the dhcp3 :s
11:45
i have changed the typo..
11:47
<alkisg>
(02:24:55 μμ) alkisg: Also you really don't want both dhcp AND static address
11:49
<JensenDan>
i have changed it.. and think it works now..
11:50
yep..
11:52
working like a charm now.. back to the last problem.. the x2go.. it is installed. do i need to config anything somwhere to get on top of ltsp? so that it is the x2go session i login with?
11:53
<alkisg>
(02:33:37 μμ) JensenDan έφυγε από το δωμάτιο (quit: Quit: Leaving).
11:53
(02:33:51 μμ) alkisg: First try it by logging in and running it manually to see if it does what you want
11:53
(02:34:12 μμ) alkisg: Then if you want to use it with LTSP you'll need to create a custom 'screen script'
11:54
<JensenDan>
shit, custom screen script? sound pretty hard :D
11:56
<mealstrom>
works: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session" # --session=ubuntu-2d"
11:56
dont work: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session"
11:56
dont work: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
11:57
how to fix that works , that would be without comment ?
11:58
<alkisg>
!ubuntu-2d
11:58
<ltsp>
alkisg: ubuntu-2d: To select ubuntu-2d as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
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<alkisg>
On previous versions LDM_SESSION had problems, you need to download a patch
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<mealstrom>
omg
12:02
in what version is was fixed?
12:03
im using 5.2.1
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<andygraybeal>
will there be an option to give users the choice of failback mode or new mode?
12:04
if thhey don't like one, they can use the other?
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<mealstrom>
Fixed in LTSP 5.3.
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<JensenDan>
that x2go could do the trick... how do i then make that screen script? :/
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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<elias_a>
Good aftenoon all you who walketh upside down!
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<jgx>
I'm considering using LTSP clients with softphones into a freeswitch pbx .. Will it work 'out of the box'? Any LTSP gotchas/hints I should be aware of? Local devices appear enabled (usb flash drives work).
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<dead_inside>
we use ltsp here with twinkle as the softphone and the tech's report the softphone has better quality then the polycom HDvoice phones at their desks
13:57
so its should work fine for you jgx
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<elias_a>
dead_inside: What is twinkle?
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<dead_inside>
http://mfnboer.home.xs4all.nl/twinkle/index.html
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<dead_inside>
it has a very nice GUI for the techs
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<elias_a>
dead_inside: Thank you!
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<dead_inside>
np
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however we do host our own PSTN gateway so i cant say for sure how well twinkle works with freeswitch
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<jgx>
dead_inside, Thanks. I've used twinkle on system testing in the past so that's good to know.
14:01
<dead_inside>
np, hope it works as well for you as it does for us
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: i can try and get a new ldm uploaded tonight or tomorrow morning...
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: that'd be great, thanks!
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<pari>
Hi,I have followed instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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but I am not able the client to boot
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kindly help
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