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Channel log from 1 April 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:31 | <ajith> udhcpc:seending discover and no lease fialed
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| 08:32 | this is the error I am getting while clients are booting any one have inormation
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| 08:32 | in ltsp thinclient
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| 09:14 | <Hyperbyte> work_alkisg, can I run something by you real quick?
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| 09:14 | At the studio we have computers with USB mice, touchscreen (which is also a USB device) and USB keyboard... so three input devices.
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: shoot
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| 09:16 | <Hyperbyte> Some applications act up, however. vncviewer goes nuts if you use the mouse (buttons get stuck), in Audacity the toolbar record/play buttons don't work... I've been developing some new application, which uses Qt and no Gnome interface but rather fluxbox to save resources, there suddenly the keyboard didn't work anymore, except the special keys like alt+tab and alt+f4
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| 09:16 | Now I've been looking for the individual problems, and have found exactly no information whatsoever.
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| 09:17 | So I'm thinking, it must be some underlying problem with X maybe, or some library...
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| 09:17 | Have you ever heard of Linux machines going nuts randomly with several USB input devices?
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> No. For example I've used laptop keyboard + touchpad + usb keyboard + 2 usb mice without problems
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| 09:18 | It might be an issue with the touchscreen driver
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| 09:18 | <Hyperbyte> Right, laptops...
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| 09:18 | Yeah, when I disconnect the touchscreen there's no problem whatsoever. But that was to be expected.
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| 09:18 | On the other hand, if I disconnect the mouse there's also far less problems
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> Try ps/2 mouse?
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| 09:19 | <Hyperbyte> That's not an option I'm afraid.
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> Anyways, no idea with touchscreens, I've never had one
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| 09:20 | <Hyperbyte> Other than that the mouse I use (silent mouse, doesn't click audibly - very useful for studios ;-)) isn't available for USB, my clients don't support PS/2. Well one or two maybe, but most of them, nope.
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Usually there are usb to ps/2 converters so you would be able to use the same mouse
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| 09:23 | Or at least verify that with a ps/2 mouse and keybord, you no longer have the problem
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| 09:25 | <Hyperbyte> Oh wow
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| 09:25 | I actually found it
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| 09:25 | Looking for problems with the driver... turns out it isn't a problem with the driver... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1015183
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| 09:26 | It's in xserver-xorg-core. This commit is said to fix it: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=a986f2f30cbe2a00e72ded7315c4951d7703e549
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| 09:27 | Any idea how I can check if this commit has made it to some update for Precise? Or if it's in Quantal?
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| 09:30 | <ajith> udhcpc:sending discover and no lease failed
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| 09:30 | Mr.Hyperbyte do u have any idea
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| 09:31 | while clients booting I am this error
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| 09:33 | <Hyperbyte> No idea, sorry. Perhaps someone else knows....
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| 09:33 | <alkisg> ajith: google for "ipappend 3"
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| 09:33 | No time to explain more...
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| 09:33 | * Hyperbyte hrm's... there is an xserver-xorg-core update available for my Precise installation. It might just do the trick. | |
| 09:34 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, oh - I was also wondering. After updating the kernel of my ltsp-pnp server, how do I get this change to the client? Just ltsp-update-image, or do I need to ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-image calls ltsp-update-kernels
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| 09:38 | So it's enough
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| 09:39 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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| 10:57 | <ajith> Ip append 3 seems to be solving tempoarily
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| 10:57 | mylogin is taking a lot of time
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| 12:15 | <ajith> screen goes blank after login
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| 12:15 | in ltsp cluster
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| 13:00 | <andygraybeal> morning
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| 13:55 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 13:55 | happy april fools day
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| 13:56 | <ogra_> same to you !
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| 13:56 | * ogra_ did his share already ... | |
| 13:56 | <ogra_> any exciting LTSP news to come ?
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| 13:57 | <jammcq> ummm
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| 14:45 | <Hyperbyte> Hi! :)
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| 14:45 | Any way to install this https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ into ltsp-pnp without breaking everything?
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| 14:47 | I have one thin client with an Intel Atom graphics card that gives wrong screen resolution...
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| 14:48 | It's fat client actually, with ltsp-pnp of course...
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| 15:18 | <alkisg1> Hyperbyte: any progress on the removal form from the LTSP map?
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| 15:19 | <Hyperbyte> Nope.
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| 15:19 | <alkisg1> There are 150 schools here that want to leave LTSP because of that...
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| 15:19 | <Hyperbyte> Any idea about my last question in here about the Intel drivers?
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| 15:19 | 150 schools want to leave LTSP because they're listed on a website?
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| 15:25 | <alkisg1> :P sorry I was going for an april's fools day joke but the phone rang
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| 15:26 | Hyperbyte: if you implement it, I'll tell you about your question :P
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| 15:26 | ... :D
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| 15:26 | Which kernel do you currently have?
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| 15:26 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg1, good april fool's joke! Now tell me!
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| 15:26 | Heh
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| 15:26 | Newest in 12.04
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| 15:26 | <alkisg1> Are you sure?
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| 15:27 | dpkg -l linux-image-generic xserver-xorg-lts-quantal | grep ^ii
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| 15:27 | <Hyperbyte> linux-image-3.2.0-38-generic-pae on the server, but it hasn't rebooted yet since the upgrade, linux-image-3.2.0-39-generic-pae on the clients
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| 15:27 | <alkisg1> So that's not the latest
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| 15:28 | Install the newest kernel and graphics stack, which corresponds to 12.04.2
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| 15:28 | <Hyperbyte> I could reboot and it is.
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| 15:28 | <alkisg1> You're now on the 12.04.1 stack
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| 15:28 | No
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| 15:28 | <Hyperbyte> Oh?
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| 15:28 | How do I do that?
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| 15:28 | <alkisg1> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-quantal xserver-xorg-lts-quantal
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| 15:28 | <Hyperbyte> This is a precise system, right?
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| 15:28 | <alkisg1> Right
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| 15:29 | <Hyperbyte> How much possible trouble am I going to cause here for my other clients?
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| 15:29 | Because this is one Intel client, which I'm not happy with anyways. If this becomes too much work or too much headache I'd rather buy a new one.
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| 15:29 | <alkisg1> Hyperbyte: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
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| 15:30 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 15:30 | This is a virtual server. Does that matter?
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| 15:31 | <alkisg1> Do you have any special packages because of that?
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| 15:32 | <Hyperbyte> Don't think so.
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| 15:32 | <alkisg1> The new kernel has broken a couple of packages, like samba and virtualbox. Samba got fixed after a while.
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| 15:32 | But in general, it's a drop-in replacement
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| 15:32 | <alkisg1> And going back to the old stack isn't hard to do
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| 15:32 | <Hyperbyte> And if I do the apt-get I'm done? Or is that the first step? I do the apt-get, and then install the Intel driver?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg1> No, you don't need the intel driver
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| 15:33 | This stack has the newer driver which should fix whatever problems you're seeing
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| 15:33 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm, okay
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| 15:33 | <alkisg1> Hyperbyte: you can also just try to troubleshoot the problem with the existing stack
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| 15:33 | E.g. put some lts.conf options to get the correct resolution...
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| 15:34 | <Hyperbyte> Nope
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| 15:34 | <alkisg1> But, note also that the newer xorg might solve other problems with touchscreens
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| 15:34 | :)
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| 15:34 | <Hyperbyte> I couldn't even get it with xrandr --addmode
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| 15:34 | It's using "default" kernel module for video
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| 15:34 | <alkisg1> Which video card is that? Poulsbo?
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| 15:34 | <Hyperbyte> Going to 1920x1080 seemed quite impossible.
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| 15:34 | No, Intel Atom integrated graphics.
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| 15:34 | CPU+GPU in one.
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| 15:35 | <alkisg1> lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 15:35 | <Hyperbyte> Not at the client now
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| 15:35 | N270 I believe
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| 15:35 | <alkisg1> That's the CPU
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| 15:36 | Some atoms have poulsbo, which kinda sucks
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| 15:36 | (integrated)
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| 15:36 | <Hyperbyte> I'll look in a bit
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| 15:36 | Have to go there anyways.
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| 15:36 | Is LTSP meeting tonight still on?
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| 15:36 | <alkisg1> Ouch, no idea...
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| 15:37 | <Hyperbyte> I know knipwim was on vacation, but he was supposed to be back today and send reminder. I haven't heard anything though.
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| 15:37 | <alkisg1> Nothing in the ltsp-meeting /topic either...
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| 15:37 | <Hyperbyte> (I honestly wouldn't mind if there weren't a meeting, TBH... quite a busy agenda)
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| 15:37 | We'll see.
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| 15:37 | Need to run for radio production gig
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| 15:37 | Talk to you in a little bit.
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| 15:38 | <alkisg1> Yeah me too, for at least a couple of weeks...
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| 15:47 | <alkisg1> vagrantc, sbalneav_, jammcq: is there an ltsp meeting today?
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| 15:52 | * vagrantc doesn't remember | |
| 15:52 | <jammcq> I sure don't remember
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| 16:04 | <alkisg1> ogra_: did you learn about the new linux-hwe-generic package? It will affect ltsp-update-kernels, but I can't find out where it's documented...
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| 16:04 | <ogra_> i only know it exists ...
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| 16:04 | and that there is no way to revert easily if you install it
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| 16:05 | <alkisg1> Ouch... thanks, I'll google more
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| 16:05 | <alkisg1> We have a sequence for selecting x86-only, or -pae, or amd64 kernels in ltsp-update-kernels, and it broke on 12.10+ and on 12.04.2+
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| 16:05 | So I'm checking if -hwe could offer us a solution there
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| 16:06 | Hmm it seems to be just a wrapper around the latest linux-image-lts-*series* package
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| 16:07 | <knipwim> vagrantc, alkisg1 you mind if we move the meeting 2 weeks ahead?
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| 16:07 | <alkisg1> Hi knipwim, personally I don't mind at all
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| 16:07 | <knipwim> yeah, back from vacation, but my head's not in the ltsp game yet
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| 16:07 | <ogra_> alkisg1, right, there is also an xorg-lts
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| 16:08 | <alkisg1> But not a xorg-hwe, which makes it harder
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> hwe?
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| 16:16 | <alkisg1> hardware enablement
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> knipwim: no strong opinion
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| 16:16 | first one's free?
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| 16:16 | <alkisg1> To support newer hardware in lts releases
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| 16:17 | <ogra_> right, there is always be a backport of the current kernel to LTS now
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| 16:18 | *will
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| 16:18 | with each new 6 month release
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> gbaman: what sort of server will you be running?
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| 16:36 | <gbaman> which os?
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> gbaman: yes, and i386 or amd64/x86_64?
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| 16:36 | building images for the rpi is fairly easy on i386 or amd64/x86_64 systems, at least on debian.
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| 16:37 | <gbaman> ah, edubuntu 12.04 and it is amd64/x86_64
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| 16:37 | an old mac mini
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> in theory it should be possible to install the raspbian image from there, but i'm not sure what state the ltsp-server package on ubuntu 12.04 is
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| 16:40 | <gbaman> now that would be handy
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| 16:40 | you mean push the image out and it stay there?
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| 16:40 | <ogra_> RPi isnt supported in ubuntu so yeas, you need raspbian ... but forget about local apps
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| 16:40 | <gbaman> aka, it get installed
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> you can build a cross-distro chroot in theory, though in practice the versions may be enough out of sync that it would be difficult
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| 16:42 | or rather, a cross-distro ltsp chroot
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| 16:43 | although i think alkisg may have a ppa with newer ltsp-server versions ... but i'll just document how to do it on debian :)
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| 16:43 | <gbaman> k
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| 16:44 | <alkisg1> !greek-schools-ppa
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| 16:44 | <ltsp> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 16:45 | <alkisg1> I've tried that with a wheezy chroot, they cooperate fine
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> so should be fine with raspbian too
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| 16:46 | <gbaman> so i will need to grab the most recent LTSP version?
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| 16:47 | <alkisg1> Just add that ppa and run apt-get update before installing LTSP
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| 16:47 | <gbaman> k
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> meh.
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| 16:52 | i forgot to include the debootstrap-keyring fix in wheezy :(
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| 17:02 | and this and that...
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| 17:37 | <sman> I am running Debian 6/Squeeze with LTSP 5.2.4-2 with HP t5520 thin clients
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| 17:38 | I can not get audio to work.
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| 17:39 | When I go in to audio preferences I get an error lik:
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| 17:39 | s/lik/like/
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| 17:39 | ltsp no volume control gstreamer plugins and/or devices found
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| 17:39 | I tried setting SOUND=True in lts.conf but no change
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| 17:39 | <alkisg1> Which desktop environment?
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| 17:39 | <sman> GNOME
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| 17:40 | <alkisg1> It's supposed to work out of the box without you doing any settings...
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| 17:40 | try: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 17:40 | And inside the xterm: alsamixer
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| 17:40 | <sman> On the server?
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| 17:40 | <alkisg1> Client
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| 17:40 | <sman> both commands on the client?
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| 17:41 | <alkisg1> Yes
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| 17:41 | <sman> Ok
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| 17:41 | alsamixer starts
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| 17:42 | It all looks ok i would say
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| 17:42 | my lts.conf right now looks like this (i tried a few different things)
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| 17:43 | [default] LTSP_CONFIG=True SOUND_DAEMON = pulse SOUND=True LOCALDEV=True CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 17:43 | In GNOME the audio icon is a loudspeaker with an X to the right
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| 17:44 | Indicating that audio does not work.
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| 17:49 | <sman> lspci | grep audio does not return any lines
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| 17:49 | Should it do that on the clients?
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| 17:51 | Oh well, from inside the xterm it shows a line (AC97)
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| 17:51 | <gbaman2> any luck with that guide vagrantc? Remember, dont assume anything :) Most of the people that will likely use it won't know much about linux (Like me) :D
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> sman: you've read /usr/share/doc/ltsp/README.Debian.sound ?
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| 17:55 | gbaman2: working on it
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| 17:56 | gbaman2: first i need documentation i can follow :)
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| 17:56 | <gbaman2> k
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> gbaman2: rough draft here: http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/rpi-howto.txt
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| 18:00 | i think that loosely documents all the needed steps, just needs some details fleshed out
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| 18:05 | <gbaman2> gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
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| 18:05 | is that bad?
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| 18:06 | <vagrantc> gbaman2: you need to specify the value of the keyid
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| 18:06 | gbaman2: or if it's the only key in your keyring, specify nothing
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| 18:06 | gbaman2: many of these steps require some know-how.
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| 18:06 | gbaman2: as i said, it's a rough draft
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| 18:06 | <gbaman2> ok, fixed it
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| 18:10 | <alkisg1> sman: do you have an audio device on the server? Also, remove any sound-related lines from lts.conf
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> alkisg1: does sman have /etc/asound.conf configured? it doesn't work out of the box on Debian.
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| 18:13 | <alkisg1> It doesn't? Sorry, I thought it did.
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> nope.
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| 18:13 | requires manual configuration
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| 18:13 | sman: ^^
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| 18:13 | documented in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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| 18:14 | <alkisg1> Gotcha. Maybe an ltsp-config sound, then? ;)
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> yes, that would be a good idea.
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| 18:14 | pretty easy to write, too.
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> gbaman: just added instrctions at the bottom for taking the rpi foundation's image and installing ltsp packages on that
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| 18:18 | <gbaman> k
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> and renamed to http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/rpi-ltsp-howto.txt
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| 18:18 | <gbaman> btw, with the making the ltsp client i get /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client: unrecognised option '--kernel-packages'
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| 18:19 | * vagrantc suspects it's a debian/ubuntu difference | |
| 18:19 | <gbaman> you writing this on debian?
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 18:19 | <gbaman> :)
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| 18:19 | my server is edubuntu 12.04...
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> remember earlier in the discussion?
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| 18:22 | 09:39 < vagrantc> in theory it should be possible to install the raspbian image from there, but i'm not sure what state the ltsp-server package on ubuntu 12.04 is
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| 18:22 | 09:41 < vagrantc> you can build a cross-distro chroot in theory, though in practice the versions may be enough out of sync that it would be difficult
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| 18:22 | 09:42 < vagrantc> or rather, a cross-distro ltsp chroot
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| 18:22 | 09:43 < vagrantc> although i think alkisg may have a ppa with newer ltsp-server versions ... but i'll just document how to do it on debian :)
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| 18:22 | sorry for spamming...
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| 18:23 | <gbaman> the question is, does alkisg have a ppa with newer ltsp-server versions?
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| 18:24 | <alkisg1> gbaman: see my reply above about the greek schools ppa, we already talked about that
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| 18:24 | <gbaman> I already have it added
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| 18:25 | <alkisg1> apt-cache policy ltsp-server
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| 18:25 | 5.4.3-1+r2462+p1163~precise1
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| 18:25 | If you have that one, you're fine wrt the ltsp version
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| 18:31 | <gbaman> Installed: 5.4.3-1+r2462+p1163~precise1
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| 18:31 | erm...
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| 18:32 | yip, it isnt in the list of supported commands
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> you need to tell it to use the Debian plugins
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| 18:39 | VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client ...
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| 18:39 | <alkisg1> Cross-distro chroot building isn't always easy, and especially cross-arch too, sometimes it's easier to just install debian on a client and then transfer the chroot
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> gbaman: for someone not familiar with linux, you're doing things about the hardest possible way :P
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| 18:39 | gbaman: which is a good learning opportunity...
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| 18:40 | <gbaman> :)
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| 18:41 | what am i telling to VENDOR=Debian?
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| 18:43 | * gbaman sighs as edubuntu was meant to be the easist to get working with LTSP | |
| 18:43 | <vagrantc> prefix the command ltsp-build-client
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| 18:43 | i.e. VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client
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| 18:43 | <gbaman> ok
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| 18:43 | <alkisg1> edubuntu would be easier if you were NOT doing cross distro chroot building
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| 18:43 | With your goals, debian on the server would be much easier
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> not only cross-distro, but cross-architecture
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| 18:44 | <alkisg1> He can't avoid cross arch even with debian though, unless he installs ltsp-server in a pi :)
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> technically, raspbian is cross-distro too, but it's so similar it's basically the same.
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| 18:45 | <gbaman> it is doing stuff now
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| 18:45 | seems happy :)
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| 18:45 | will leave that to work away
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| 18:45 | <alkisg1> It would be very helpful if someone uploaded a wheezy-raspbian-chroot.tar.gz somewhere :)
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| 18:45 | <gbaman> now, onto the pi
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| 18:45 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg1, since the quantal stack upgrade (12.04.2) plymouth no longer works
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| 18:46 | Any ideas?
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| 18:46 | <alkisg1> On which graphics cards?
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| 18:46 | Did you only upgrade the kernel, or the xorg stack too?
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| 18:46 | <Hyperbyte> Nvidia GT218, those were fine before
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| 18:47 | The Intel onces now work, but they've discovered an LVDS interface, which, when turned off manually, crashes the system
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| 18:47 | <alkisg1> nouveau is quite unstable between xorg releases
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| 18:47 | Did you upgrade xorg to -lts-quantal?
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| 18:48 | <Hyperbyte> Yep
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| 18:48 | I'll just turn off plymouth, at least then it doesn't turn off screen during boot
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| 18:49 | <alkisg1> How are you disabling lvds?
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| 18:50 | <Hyperbyte> xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off
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| 18:50 | <alkisg1> Try from the kernel command line instead
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| 18:50 | there's a video:lvds1=off something parameter
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| 18:51 | In pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address
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| 18:51 | <Hyperbyte> Meh
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| 18:51 | Way too much hacking
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| 18:51 | I'm going to toss the client out
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| 18:52 | <alkisg1> ...it appears that "economic crisis" iare unknown words in the Netherlands :D
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| 18:53 | Do you also toss clients out when they have too much dust on them? :P
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| 18:54 | * vagrantc wonders how to implement --vendor to ltsp-build-client | |
| 18:55 | <Hyperbyte> No, but after this quantal upgrade which was supposed to fix one broken client, I rather have two broken ones and others not working properly.
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| 18:55 | How do I downgrade this?
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> i guess recent versions of sudo work with sudo VAR=VALUE command
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| 18:55 | <Hyperbyte> (another client with Intel graphics now displays screen completely green)
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| 18:56 | <alkisg1> Hyperbyte: Install xserver-xorg without the -lts-quantal part, boot with the older kernel, sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove linux-image-generic-lts-quantal etc etc
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| 18:56 | Hyperbyte: note thought that the current 12.04 CD downloaded in ubuntu.com, includes those components
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| 18:57 | But ok it's up to you to decide what you want, newer version or older one
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| 18:59 | <Hyperbyte> I can't justify spending so much time here when a new client costs 250 euros
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| 19:04 | alkisg1, did that.
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| 19:04 | Now apt-get autoremove suggests I remove ltsp-client-core since it's no longer needed
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| 19:04 | This does not seem right.
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| 19:06 | <alkisg1> ltsp-client depends on ltsp-client-core
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| 19:06 | So unless ltsp-client is removed, yeah, that doesn't make sense
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| 19:07 | <gbaman> vagrantc the build bugged out with
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| 19:07 | Note, selecting 'nfs-common' instead of 'nfs-client' E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-restricted-extras error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 19:08 | also a pile of other errors like /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
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| 19:12 | <sman> vagrantc: No i did not read that file. I am looking more into this on thursday, and i have written down you comments. Htank you! I will read the readme-file for Debian.
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> gbaman: sounds like it didn't work
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| 19:14 | <gbaman> i noticed....
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> gbaman: what is the exact command you ran?
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| 19:15 | <gbaman> sudo VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client --dist wheezy --arch armhf --debootstrap-keyring $HOME/raspbian.public.key.gpg --mirror http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian --security-mirror none --kernel-packages linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> gbaman: try putting "export VENDOR=Debian" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 19:17 | but that's still odd that it would get the package selections from ubuntu, but otherwise run the debian plugins?
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| 19:17 | gbaman: or is there an ltsp-build-client.conf already?
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| 19:18 | <gbaman> thats what is in the file
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| 19:18 | http://pastebin.com/SSJ9qZD9
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| 19:18 | I am guessing there shouldnt be anything in there....
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| 19:18 | <alkisg1> Who created that file?
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| 19:19 | <gbaman> likely me
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| 19:19 | a while back
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 19:19 | <gbaman> i likely copied it from a guide
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| 19:19 | to get something working
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> well, that's breaking it
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| 19:19 | <alkisg1> If you installed ltsp before adding the ppa, you'll need to manually upgrade your nbd configuration too
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| 19:20 | <gbaman> edubuntu comes with that ppa already in the sources list
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| 19:20 | <alkisg1> I don't think so
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| 19:20 | <gbaman> either that or i added it early on
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| 19:20 | <alkisg1> gbaman: put the output of this, to pastebin: grep -rv ^# /etc/nbd-server/
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> gbaman: you might be better off trying this out on a clean install
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| 19:21 | <gbaman> http://pastebin.com/rGadQxJT
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> and if you really want raspbian, a clean debian wheezy install
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| 19:21 | <gbaman> It would be a pain to do a clean install of all this, already spent ages setting up LTSP with DHCPproxy
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| 19:22 | <gbaman> I am not saying I wont do it though if it is needed
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| 19:23 | want me to run the ltsp-build again with that file deleted?
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| 19:23 | <alkisg1> gbaman: yup you installed ltsp before adding the ppa
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| 19:23 | So your nbd configuration isn't compatible with debian, or with the new version of ltsp in that ppa
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| 19:23 | <gbaman> sigh
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| 19:23 | <alkisg1> Once you get the chroot built, ping me to tell you how to upgrade your configuration
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| 19:23 | No big deal
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| 19:23 | But do remove the ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 19:23 | <gbaman> :)
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| 19:23 | done
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> just as long as there aren't half-a-dozen other unusual tweaks...
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| 19:25 | by default the raspbian environment will use NFS rather than NBD
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| 19:25 | <gbaman> k
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| 19:26 | erm
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| 19:26 | just noticed
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| 19:26 | my pi no longer has a config.txt
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| 19:26 | in the boot directory it only has
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| 19:26 | config-3.2.0-4-rpi System.map-3.2.0-4-rpi initrd.img-3.2.0-4-rpi vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rpi
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| 19:26 | sigh
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| 19:28 | :)
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| 19:28 | you broke it vagrantc
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| 19:31 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 19:32 | gbaman: you're following the instructions for installing on the rpi foundation image?
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| 19:32 | <gbaman> yip
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| 19:32 | <vagrantc> yeah, it doesn't mount the partition off the pi.
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| 19:33 | it doesn't mount /boot off the sd card.
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| 19:33 | at least, once you boot it
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| 19:33 | <gbaman> but it will need a config file
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| 19:33 | and a commandline file
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> not once you're booted
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| 19:34 | it didn't delete it, it simply didn't mount the partition
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| 19:34 | <gbaman> ok, anyways, brb, dinner
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> although one of the curious problems is using localdev with the rpi ... you have to figure out a way to exclude the SD card image, or users can edit the boot partition
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| 19:35 | which should be possible
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| 19:35 | though during development that's pretty handy :)
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| 19:36 | i need to write a hook that generates a minimal SD card image for LTSP thin/fat clients on the RPI still
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| 19:51 | <gbaman> back
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| 19:52 | <gbaman> vagrantc ltsp-build bugged out again with E: Unable to locate package linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpis E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpis'
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| 19:55 | <gbaman> and vagrantc are you saying if i reboot my pi now, it will boot? i thought it needed a boot partition?
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| 19:56 | <kev_j> is the rpi getting closer to working ok with ltsp now? (haven't been keeping up-to-date very well)
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| 19:57 | <gbaman> it already works as a thin client
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| 19:57 | <gbaman> but vagrantc and alkisg are working with me to get it working as a fat client
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| 19:57 | long story
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| 19:58 | <kev_j> that would be kinda kickass
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| 20:00 | <kev_j> that's right, I couldn't figure out how to change the ssh port on the thin client one... although I felt stupid when I found it in the man page.....
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> gbaman: you misspelled linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi
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| 20:03 | <kev_j> just curious though, would something like netbootcd through unetbootin work to pxe boot through the usb?
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| 20:03 | <gbaman> i didnt type it?
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> gbaman: no s
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| 20:03 | <gbaman> ok, i might have done that bit :)
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| 20:04 | * gbaman sighs | |
| 20:04 | <gbaman> and vagrantc are you saying if i reboot my pi now, it will boot? i thought it needed a boot partition?
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> i don't know what you mean
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| 20:05 | <gbaman> after running this
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| 20:05 | apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> depends on the state of everything else...
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| 20:05 | <gbaman> the contents of /boot is now
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| 20:05 | config-3.2.0-4-rpi System.map-3.2.0-4-rpi initrd.img-3.2.0-4-rpi vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rpi
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> gbaman: my intructions assumed a fresh image
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| 20:06 | <gbaman> it was a fresh image
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> gbaman: it wasn't the image you played with the other day?
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| 20:07 | <gbaman> it was, but i only added ltsp-client
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> did you tweak the cmdline.txt ?
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| 20:07 | <gbaman> sigh, i will prep another sd card
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| 20:07 | <gbaman> oops
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| 20:07 | sigh
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> because i could easily see it getting into a state where it's partially booted to ltsp, but broken
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| 20:08 | and that won't work very well.
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| 20:10 | "but i only changed..." is one of the most frustrating things you can hear when trying to help someone troubleshoot something :P
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| 20:10 | <gbaman> copying image back onto the sd card now
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> gbaman: i'll do the same, to make absolutely sure i can follow my own instructions
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| 20:16 | <gbaman> lol
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| 20:16 | it will be 10-20 mins before it is ready, expanding the rootfs now then gota update it all
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| 20:17 | ltsp-build seems to be happily working away
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| 20:17 | still getting a lot of /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
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| 20:25 | <gbaman> the ltsp-build-client worked!
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> cool
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| 20:42 | <kev_j> I am getting "kernel module fglrx.ko may be missing or incompatible" in the xorg log on the client... any suggestions on how to fix this for an i386 client (server is amd64)?
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| 20:42 | I believe that they are installed correctly on the chroot but I am not positive
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| 20:43 | oh, and it doesn't show in lsmod, but I can't figure out how to get it to load.. at boot or otherwise
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| 20:44 | would I need to run ltsp-update-kernels (can't remember if I did or not) or are modules not included it that?
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| 20:46 | or even if anyone could point me towards a forum, article, or something where I could read up on how to manage it
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| 20:53 | <gbaman> sigh, raspberry pis are slow...
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| 20:53 | <kev_j> how bad is it?
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| 20:54 | and is it the 512 or the 256?
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| 20:55 | <gbaman> 512
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| 20:55 | but still dam slow
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| 20:55 | i didnt overclock this image
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| 20:55 | <ogra_> its utter crap
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| 20:55 | <gbaman> normally not bad
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| 20:56 | just ltsp-client and a fully apt-get upgrade is taking a while
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| 20:56 | <ogra_> you can get a beaglebone for just a litte more money and get a proper CPU and actually open hardware
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| 20:57 | <kev_j> oh yeah, I hate how long it takes to do any updates. I just go play a game while it's doing its thing
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| 20:58 | <gbaman> the beaglebone is less powerfull and more expensive....
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| 20:58 | <ogra_> its a proper CPU
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| 20:58 | and not built around lies
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| 20:59 | <gbaman> lies?
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| 20:59 | <kev_j> yeah, I'm a little confused on that one too
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| 20:59 | <ogra_> the RPi is promoted as open HW ... while its completely closed
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| 20:59 | <gbaman> ah, the gpu code
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| 20:59 | <ogra_> you need a bonary blob to boot it ... and it uses a processor arch from last century
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| 21:00 | *binary
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| 21:00 | not talking about gpus :)
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| 21:00 | <gbaman> but it flipping costs $35
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| 21:00 | <kev_j> aren't they a bit closer to an xorg driver?
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| 21:00 | or am I just dreaming on that one?
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| 21:00 | <ogra_> dunno, the beagle has open KMS capable drivers ...
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| 21:00 | and an ARMv7 CPU core
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| 21:00 | <gbaman> and costs over twice as much
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| 21:00 | and is less powerful
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| 21:01 | <ogra_> right, but you can actually run stiuff on it
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| 21:01 | less powerful ?
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| 21:01 | <gbaman> you saying you cant run stuff on the pi?
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| 21:01 | <ogra_> its like 6-8 times faster
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| 21:01 | <gbaman> 720MHz
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| 21:01 | and 256mb of ram
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| 21:02 | <ogra_> dude
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| 21:02 | <gbaman> pi is normally clocked at 800MHz and 512mb of ram
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| 21:02 | <ogra_> rrright
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| 21:02 | so you think a 386SX running at 1GHz would smart out an ATOM running at 800MHz ?
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| 21:02 | <gbaman> actually, edit - Mine is normally clocked at 1GHz with 512mb of ram
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| 21:03 | But you are paying over twice as much?
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| 21:03 | <ogra_> they are completely different processors ...
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| 21:04 | you are paying for the capability to see *all* hw documentation, have a company behind it that cares about opensource and even pays people for developing open drivers and properly upstreaming their kernel changes
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| 21:04 | yes, its a few bucks more, but yu are doing something good and get lots better HW
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| 21:04 | <gbaman> also a more powerful gpu on the pi
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| 21:04 | and the raspberry pi has a bigger community
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| 21:05 | <ogra_> instead of helping the people promoting their stuff with lies as "educational" and pushing the most evil HW vendor (broadcom) money down the throst
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| 21:05 | <gbaman> yes, but how many people actually care about the closed hw?
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| 21:05 | <ogra_> i doubt the GPU is any more powerful
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| 21:05 | <gbaman> it is
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| 21:06 | <ogra_> anyway ... sorry for my raving ... i'm working to hard to get arm properly adopted the last 6 years and the RPi is for everyone who is involved in ARm just off putting
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| 21:07 | <gbaman> most people had never even heard of arm before the pi came out
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| 21:07 | anyways, i agree, we should stop arguing :)
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| 21:07 | * ogra_ finds it pretty depressing that people fall for it ... but well, betamax died too in favour of vhs | |
| 21:08 | <gbaman> they are for different people
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| 21:08 | <ogra_> yes, i know, i just wish the Pi people had produced proper HW with a recent design ... and actually something open
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| 21:09 | <gbaman> vagrantc
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| 21:09 | found a bug in your docs
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| 21:45 | <vagrantc> gbaman: hmm?
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| 21:48 | gbaman: it's not useful to know there's a bug- what's the bug :P
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| 21:50 | * vagrantc assumes there are bugs | |
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| 22:27 | <ltspuser_87> hi
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| 22:27 | What is the recommended configuration for a kiosk
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> recommended hardware or software ... ?
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| 22:30 | recommended configuration?
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| 22:31 | <ltspuser_87> i mean configuration
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| 22:32 | Because after each configuration i get normal desktop session
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by configuration?
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| 22:33 | <ltspuser_87> Ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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| 22:35 | As I read from some websites to build kiosk Ltsp client I need to just lunch the command Ltsp-build-client –kiosk Do there is any other configuration missing
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> what distribution and version?
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| 22:37 | <ltspuser_87> Ubuntu 12.04
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| 22:41 | <ltspuser_87> Ubuntu 12.04
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> that should work, but i don't know for sure
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| 22:44 | <ltspuser_87> Ltsp-build-client --kiosk it is true i guess
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