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Channel log from 1 April 2013   (all times are UTC)

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08:31
<ajith>
udhcpc:seending discover and no lease fialed
08:32
this is the error I am getting while clients are booting any one have inormation
08:32
in ltsp thinclient
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09:14
<Hyperbyte>
work_alkisg, can I run something by you real quick?
09:14
At the studio we have computers with USB mice, touchscreen (which is also a USB device) and USB keyboard... so three input devices.
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09:15
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: shoot
09:16
<Hyperbyte>
Some applications act up, however. vncviewer goes nuts if you use the mouse (buttons get stuck), in Audacity the toolbar record/play buttons don't work... I've been developing some new application, which uses Qt and no Gnome interface but rather fluxbox to save resources, there suddenly the keyboard didn't work anymore, except the special keys like alt+tab and alt+f4
09:16
Now I've been looking for the individual problems, and have found exactly no information whatsoever.
09:17
So I'm thinking, it must be some underlying problem with X maybe, or some library...
09:17
Have you ever heard of Linux machines going nuts randomly with several USB input devices?
09:17
<alkisg>
No. For example I've used laptop keyboard + touchpad + usb keyboard + 2 usb mice without problems
09:18
It might be an issue with the touchscreen driver
09:18
<Hyperbyte>
Right, laptops...
09:18
Yeah, when I disconnect the touchscreen there's no problem whatsoever. But that was to be expected.
09:18
On the other hand, if I disconnect the mouse there's also far less problems
09:18
<alkisg>
Try ps/2 mouse?
09:19
<Hyperbyte>
That's not an option I'm afraid.
09:20
<alkisg>
Anyways, no idea with touchscreens, I've never had one
09:20
<Hyperbyte>
Other than that the mouse I use (silent mouse, doesn't click audibly - very useful for studios ;-)) isn't available for USB, my clients don't support PS/2. Well one or two maybe, but most of them, nope.
09:22
<alkisg>
Usually there are usb to ps/2 converters so you would be able to use the same mouse
09:23
Or at least verify that with a ps/2 mouse and keybord, you no longer have the problem
09:25
<Hyperbyte>
Oh wow
09:25
I actually found it
09:25
Looking for problems with the driver... turns out it isn't a problem with the driver... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1015183
09:26
It's in xserver-xorg-core. This commit is said to fix it: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=a986f2f30cbe2a00e72ded7315c4951d7703e549
09:27
Any idea how I can check if this commit has made it to some update for Precise? Or if it's in Quantal?
09:30
<ajith>
udhcpc:sending discover and no lease failed
09:30
Mr.Hyperbyte do u have any idea
09:31
while clients booting I am this error
09:33
<Hyperbyte>
No idea, sorry. Perhaps someone else knows....
09:33
<alkisg>
ajith: google for "ipappend 3"
09:33
No time to explain more...
09:33* Hyperbyte hrm's... there is an xserver-xorg-core update available for my Precise installation. It might just do the trick.
09:34
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, oh - I was also wondering. After updating the kernel of my ltsp-pnp server, how do I get this change to the client? Just ltsp-update-image, or do I need to ltsp-update-kernels?
09:38
<alkisg>
ltsp-update-image calls ltsp-update-kernels
09:38
So it's enough
09:39
<Hyperbyte>
Ah
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10:57
<ajith>
Ip append 3 seems to be solving tempoarily
10:57
mylogin is taking a lot of time
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12:15
<ajith>
screen goes blank after login
12:15
in ltsp cluster
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13:00
<andygraybeal>
morning
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13:55
<jammcq>
hello friends
13:55
happy april fools day
13:56
<ogra_>
same to you !
13:56* ogra_ did his share already ...
13:56
<ogra_>
any exciting LTSP news to come ?
13:57
<jammcq>
ummm
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14:45
<Hyperbyte>
Hi! :)
14:45
Any way to install this https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ into ltsp-pnp without breaking everything?
14:47
I have one thin client with an Intel Atom graphics card that gives wrong screen resolution...
14:48
It's fat client actually, with ltsp-pnp of course...
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15:18
<alkisg1>
Hyperbyte: any progress on the removal form from the LTSP map?
15:19
<Hyperbyte>
Nope.
15:19
<alkisg1>
There are 150 schools here that want to leave LTSP because of that...
15:19
<Hyperbyte>
Any idea about my last question in here about the Intel drivers?
15:19
150 schools want to leave LTSP because they're listed on a website?
15:25
<alkisg1>
:P sorry I was going for an april's fools day joke but the phone rang
15:26
Hyperbyte: if you implement it, I'll tell you about your question :P
15:26
... :D
15:26
Which kernel do you currently have?
15:26
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg1, good april fool's joke! Now tell me!
15:26
Heh
15:26
Newest in 12.04
15:26
<alkisg1>
Are you sure?
15:27
dpkg -l linux-image-generic xserver-xorg-lts-quantal | grep ^ii
15:27
<Hyperbyte>
linux-image-3.2.0-38-generic-pae on the server, but it hasn't rebooted yet since the upgrade, linux-image-3.2.0-39-generic-pae on the clients
15:27
<alkisg1>
So that's not the latest
15:28
Install the newest kernel and graphics stack, which corresponds to 12.04.2
15:28
<Hyperbyte>
I could reboot and it is.
15:28
<alkisg1>
You're now on the 12.04.1 stack
15:28
No
15:28
<Hyperbyte>
Oh?
15:28
How do I do that?
15:28
<alkisg1>
sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-quantal xserver-xorg-lts-quantal
15:28
<Hyperbyte>
This is a precise system, right?
15:28
<alkisg1>
Right
15:29
<Hyperbyte>
How much possible trouble am I going to cause here for my other clients?
15:29
Because this is one Intel client, which I'm not happy with anyways. If this becomes too much work or too much headache I'd rather buy a new one.
15:29
<alkisg1>
Hyperbyte: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
15:30
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm
15:30
This is a virtual server. Does that matter?
15:31
<alkisg1>
Do you have any special packages because of that?
15:32
<Hyperbyte>
Don't think so.
15:32
<alkisg1>
The new kernel has broken a couple of packages, like samba and virtualbox. Samba got fixed after a while.
15:32
But in general, it's a drop-in replacement
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15:32
<alkisg1>
And going back to the old stack isn't hard to do
15:32
<Hyperbyte>
And if I do the apt-get I'm done? Or is that the first step? I do the apt-get, and then install the Intel driver?
15:33
<alkisg1>
No, you don't need the intel driver
15:33
This stack has the newer driver which should fix whatever problems you're seeing
15:33
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm, okay
15:33
<alkisg1>
Hyperbyte: you can also just try to troubleshoot the problem with the existing stack
15:33
E.g. put some lts.conf options to get the correct resolution...
15:34
<Hyperbyte>
Nope
15:34
<alkisg1>
But, note also that the newer xorg might solve other problems with touchscreens
15:34
:)
15:34
<Hyperbyte>
I couldn't even get it with xrandr --addmode
15:34
It's using "default" kernel module for video
15:34
<alkisg1>
Which video card is that? Poulsbo?
15:34
<Hyperbyte>
Going to 1920x1080 seemed quite impossible.
15:34
No, Intel Atom integrated graphics.
15:34
CPU+GPU in one.
15:35
<alkisg1>
lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
15:35
<Hyperbyte>
Not at the client now
15:35
N270 I believe
15:35
<alkisg1>
That's the CPU
15:36
Some atoms have poulsbo, which kinda sucks
15:36
(integrated)
15:36
<Hyperbyte>
I'll look in a bit
15:36
Have to go there anyways.
15:36
Is LTSP meeting tonight still on?
15:36
<alkisg1>
Ouch, no idea...
15:37
<Hyperbyte>
I know knipwim was on vacation, but he was supposed to be back today and send reminder. I haven't heard anything though.
15:37
<alkisg1>
Nothing in the ltsp-meeting /topic either...
15:37
<Hyperbyte>
(I honestly wouldn't mind if there weren't a meeting, TBH... quite a busy agenda)
15:37
We'll see.
15:37
Need to run for radio production gig
15:37
Talk to you in a little bit.
15:38
<alkisg1>
Yeah me too, for at least a couple of weeks...
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15:47
<alkisg1>
vagrantc, sbalneav_, jammcq: is there an ltsp meeting today?
15:52* vagrantc doesn't remember
15:52
<jammcq>
I sure don't remember
16:04
<alkisg1>
ogra_: did you learn about the new linux-hwe-generic package? It will affect ltsp-update-kernels, but I can't find out where it's documented...
16:04
<ogra_>
i only know it exists ...
16:04
and that there is no way to revert easily if you install it
16:05
<alkisg1>
Ouch... thanks, I'll google more
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16:05
<alkisg1>
We have a sequence for selecting x86-only, or -pae, or amd64 kernels in ltsp-update-kernels, and it broke on 12.10+ and on 12.04.2+
16:05
So I'm checking if -hwe could offer us a solution there
16:06
Hmm it seems to be just a wrapper around the latest linux-image-lts-*series* package
16:07
<knipwim>
vagrantc, alkisg1 you mind if we move the meeting 2 weeks ahead?
16:07
<alkisg1>
Hi knipwim, personally I don't mind at all
16:07
<knipwim>
yeah, back from vacation, but my head's not in the ltsp game yet
16:07
<ogra_>
alkisg1, right, there is also an xorg-lts
16:08
<alkisg1>
But not a xorg-hwe, which makes it harder
16:16
<vagrantc>
hwe?
16:16
<alkisg1>
hardware enablement
16:16
<vagrantc>
knipwim: no strong opinion
16:16
first one's free?
16:16
<alkisg1>
To support newer hardware in lts releases
16:17
<ogra_>
right, there is always be a backport of the current kernel to LTS now
16:18
*will
16:18
with each new 6 month release
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16:35
<vagrantc>
gbaman: what sort of server will you be running?
16:36
<gbaman>
which os?
16:36
<vagrantc>
gbaman: yes, and i386 or amd64/x86_64?
16:36
building images for the rpi is fairly easy on i386 or amd64/x86_64 systems, at least on debian.
16:37
<gbaman>
ah, edubuntu 12.04 and it is amd64/x86_64
16:37
an old mac mini
16:39
<vagrantc>
in theory it should be possible to install the raspbian image from there, but i'm not sure what state the ltsp-server package on ubuntu 12.04 is
16:40
<gbaman>
now that would be handy
16:40
you mean push the image out and it stay there?
16:40
<ogra_>
RPi isnt supported in ubuntu so yeas, you need raspbian ... but forget about local apps
16:40
<gbaman>
aka, it get installed
16:41
<vagrantc>
you can build a cross-distro chroot in theory, though in practice the versions may be enough out of sync that it would be difficult
16:42
or rather, a cross-distro ltsp chroot
16:43
although i think alkisg may have a ppa with newer ltsp-server versions ... but i'll just document how to do it on debian :)
16:43
<gbaman>
k
16:44
<alkisg1>
!greek-schools-ppa
16:44
<ltsp>
greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
16:45
<alkisg1>
I've tried that with a wheezy chroot, they cooperate fine
16:45
<vagrantc>
so should be fine with raspbian too
16:46
<gbaman>
so i will need to grab the most recent LTSP version?
16:47
<alkisg1>
Just add that ppa and run apt-get update before installing LTSP
16:47
<gbaman>
k
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16:52
<vagrantc>
meh.
16:52
i forgot to include the debootstrap-keyring fix in wheezy :(
17:02
and this and that...
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17:37
<sman>
I am running Debian 6/Squeeze with LTSP 5.2.4-2 with HP t5520 thin clients
17:38
I can not get audio to work.
17:39
When I go in to audio preferences I get an error lik:
17:39
s/lik/like/
17:39
ltsp no volume control gstreamer plugins and/or devices found
17:39
I tried setting SOUND=True in lts.conf but no change
17:39
<alkisg1>
Which desktop environment?
17:39
<sman>
GNOME
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17:40
<alkisg1>
It's supposed to work out of the box without you doing any settings...
17:40
try: ltsp-localapps xterm
17:40
And inside the xterm: alsamixer
17:40
<sman>
On the server?
17:40
<alkisg1>
Client
17:40
<sman>
both commands on the client?
17:41
<alkisg1>
Yes
17:41
<sman>
Ok
17:41
alsamixer starts
17:42
It all looks ok i would say
17:42
my lts.conf right now looks like this (i tried a few different things)
17:43
[default] LTSP_CONFIG=True SOUND_DAEMON = pulse SOUND=True LOCALDEV=True CONFIGURE_X=True
17:43
In GNOME the audio icon is a loudspeaker with an X to the right
17:44
Indicating that audio does not work.
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17:49
<sman>
lspci | grep audio does not return any lines
17:49
Should it do that on the clients?
17:51
Oh well, from inside the xterm it shows a line (AC97)
17:51
<gbaman2>
any luck with that guide vagrantc? Remember, dont assume anything :) Most of the people that will likely use it won't know much about linux (Like me) :D
17:55
<vagrantc>
sman: you've read /usr/share/doc/ltsp/README.Debian.sound ?
17:55
gbaman2: working on it
17:56
gbaman2: first i need documentation i can follow :)
17:56
<gbaman2>
k
17:58
<vagrantc>
gbaman2: rough draft here: http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/rpi-howto.txt
18:00
i think that loosely documents all the needed steps, just needs some details fleshed out
18:05
<gbaman2>
gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
18:05
is that bad?
18:06
<vagrantc>
gbaman2: you need to specify the value of the keyid
18:06
gbaman2: or if it's the only key in your keyring, specify nothing
18:06
gbaman2: many of these steps require some know-how.
18:06
gbaman2: as i said, it's a rough draft
18:06
<gbaman2>
ok, fixed it
18:10
<alkisg1>
sman: do you have an audio device on the server? Also, remove any sound-related lines from lts.conf
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18:13
<vagrantc>
alkisg1: does sman have /etc/asound.conf configured? it doesn't work out of the box on Debian.
18:13
<alkisg1>
It doesn't? Sorry, I thought it did.
18:13
<vagrantc>
nope.
18:13
requires manual configuration
18:13
sman: ^^
18:13
documented in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
18:14
<alkisg1>
Gotcha. Maybe an ltsp-config sound, then? ;)
18:14
<vagrantc>
yes, that would be a good idea.
18:14
pretty easy to write, too.
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18:17
<vagrantc>
gbaman: just added instrctions at the bottom for taking the rpi foundation's image and installing ltsp packages on that
18:18
<gbaman>
k
18:18
<vagrantc>
and renamed to http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/rpi-ltsp-howto.txt
18:18
<gbaman>
btw, with the making the ltsp client i get /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client: unrecognised option '--kernel-packages'
18:19* vagrantc suspects it's a debian/ubuntu difference
18:19
<gbaman>
you writing this on debian?
18:19
<vagrantc>
yes
18:19
<gbaman>
:)
18:19
my server is edubuntu 12.04...
18:21
<vagrantc>
remember earlier in the discussion?
18:22
09:39 < vagrantc> in theory it should be possible to install the raspbian image from there, but i'm not sure what state the ltsp-server package on ubuntu 12.04 is
18:22
09:41 < vagrantc> you can build a cross-distro chroot in theory, though in practice the versions may be enough out of sync that it would be difficult
18:22
09:42 < vagrantc> or rather, a cross-distro ltsp chroot
18:22
09:43 < vagrantc> although i think alkisg may have a ppa with newer ltsp-server versions ... but i'll just document how to do it on debian :)
18:22
sorry for spamming...
18:23
<gbaman>
the question is, does alkisg have a ppa with newer ltsp-server versions?
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18:24
<alkisg1>
gbaman: see my reply above about the greek schools ppa, we already talked about that
18:24
<gbaman>
I already have it added
18:25
<alkisg1>
apt-cache policy ltsp-server
18:25
5.4.3-1+r2462+p1163~precise1
18:25
If you have that one, you're fine wrt the ltsp version
18:31
<gbaman>
Installed: 5.4.3-1+r2462+p1163~precise1
18:31
erm...
18:32
yip, it isnt in the list of supported commands
18:38
<vagrantc>
you need to tell it to use the Debian plugins
18:39
VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client ...
18:39
<alkisg1>
Cross-distro chroot building isn't always easy, and especially cross-arch too, sometimes it's easier to just install debian on a client and then transfer the chroot
18:39
<vagrantc>
gbaman: for someone not familiar with linux, you're doing things about the hardest possible way :P
18:39
gbaman: which is a good learning opportunity...
18:40
<gbaman>
:)
18:41
what am i telling to VENDOR=Debian?
18:43* gbaman sighs as edubuntu was meant to be the easist to get working with LTSP
18:43
<vagrantc>
prefix the command ltsp-build-client
18:43
i.e. VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client
18:43
<gbaman>
ok
18:43
<alkisg1>
edubuntu would be easier if you were NOT doing cross distro chroot building
18:43
With your goals, debian on the server would be much easier
18:43
<vagrantc>
not only cross-distro, but cross-architecture
18:44
<alkisg1>
He can't avoid cross arch even with debian though, unless he installs ltsp-server in a pi :)
18:44
<vagrantc>
technically, raspbian is cross-distro too, but it's so similar it's basically the same.
18:45
<gbaman>
it is doing stuff now
18:45
seems happy :)
18:45
will leave that to work away
18:45
<alkisg1>
It would be very helpful if someone uploaded a wheezy-raspbian-chroot.tar.gz somewhere :)
18:45
<gbaman>
now, onto the pi
18:45
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg1, since the quantal stack upgrade (12.04.2) plymouth no longer works
18:46
Any ideas?
18:46
<alkisg1>
On which graphics cards?
18:46
Did you only upgrade the kernel, or the xorg stack too?
18:46
<Hyperbyte>
Nvidia GT218, those were fine before
18:47
The Intel onces now work, but they've discovered an LVDS interface, which, when turned off manually, crashes the system
18:47
<alkisg1>
nouveau is quite unstable between xorg releases
18:47
Did you upgrade xorg to -lts-quantal?
18:48
<Hyperbyte>
Yep
18:48
I'll just turn off plymouth, at least then it doesn't turn off screen during boot
18:49
<alkisg1>
How are you disabling lvds?
18:50
<Hyperbyte>
xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off
18:50
<alkisg1>
Try from the kernel command line instead
18:50
there's a video:lvds1=off something parameter
18:51
In pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address
18:51
<Hyperbyte>
Meh
18:51
Way too much hacking
18:51
I'm going to toss the client out
18:52
<alkisg1>
...it appears that "economic crisis" iare unknown words in the Netherlands :D
18:53
Do you also toss clients out when they have too much dust on them? :P
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18:54* vagrantc wonders how to implement --vendor to ltsp-build-client
18:55
<Hyperbyte>
No, but after this quantal upgrade which was supposed to fix one broken client, I rather have two broken ones and others not working properly.
18:55
How do I downgrade this?
18:55
<vagrantc>
i guess recent versions of sudo work with sudo VAR=VALUE command
18:55
<Hyperbyte>
(another client with Intel graphics now displays screen completely green)
18:56
<alkisg1>
Hyperbyte: Install xserver-xorg without the -lts-quantal part, boot with the older kernel, sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove linux-image-generic-lts-quantal etc etc
18:56
Hyperbyte: note thought that the current 12.04 CD downloaded in ubuntu.com, includes those components
18:57
But ok it's up to you to decide what you want, newer version or older one
18:59
<Hyperbyte>
I can't justify spending so much time here when a new client costs 250 euros
19:04
alkisg1, did that.
19:04
Now apt-get autoremove suggests I remove ltsp-client-core since it's no longer needed
19:04
This does not seem right.
19:06
<alkisg1>
ltsp-client depends on ltsp-client-core
19:06
So unless ltsp-client is removed, yeah, that doesn't make sense
19:07
<gbaman>
vagrantc the build bugged out with
19:07
Note, selecting 'nfs-common' instead of 'nfs-client' E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-restricted-extras error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
19:08
also a pile of other errors like /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
19:12
<sman>
vagrantc: No i did not read that file. I am looking more into this on thursday, and i have written down you comments. Htank you! I will read the readme-file for Debian.
19:14
<vagrantc>
gbaman: sounds like it didn't work
19:14
<gbaman>
i noticed....
19:15
<vagrantc>
gbaman: what is the exact command you ran?
19:15
<gbaman>
sudo VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client --dist wheezy --arch armhf --debootstrap-keyring $HOME/raspbian.public.key.gpg --mirror http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian --security-mirror none --kernel-packages linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi
19:16
<vagrantc>
gbaman: try putting "export VENDOR=Debian" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf
19:17
but that's still odd that it would get the package selections from ubuntu, but otherwise run the debian plugins?
19:17
gbaman: or is there an ltsp-build-client.conf already?
19:18
<gbaman>
thats what is in the file
19:18
http://pastebin.com/SSJ9qZD9
19:18
I am guessing there shouldnt be anything in there....
19:18
<alkisg1>
Who created that file?
19:19
<gbaman>
likely me
19:19
a while back
19:19
<vagrantc>
heh.
19:19
<gbaman>
i likely copied it from a guide
19:19
to get something working
19:19
<vagrantc>
well, that's breaking it
19:19
<alkisg1>
If you installed ltsp before adding the ppa, you'll need to manually upgrade your nbd configuration too
19:20
<gbaman>
edubuntu comes with that ppa already in the sources list
19:20
<alkisg1>
I don't think so
19:20
<gbaman>
either that or i added it early on
19:20
<alkisg1>
gbaman: put the output of this, to pastebin: grep -rv ^# /etc/nbd-server/
19:20
<vagrantc>
gbaman: you might be better off trying this out on a clean install
19:21
<gbaman>
http://pastebin.com/rGadQxJT
19:21
<vagrantc>
and if you really want raspbian, a clean debian wheezy install
19:21
<gbaman>
It would be a pain to do a clean install of all this, already spent ages setting up LTSP with DHCPproxy
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<gbaman>
I am not saying I wont do it though if it is needed
19:23
want me to run the ltsp-build again with that file deleted?
19:23
<alkisg1>
gbaman: yup you installed ltsp before adding the ppa
19:23
So your nbd configuration isn't compatible with debian, or with the new version of ltsp in that ppa
19:23
<gbaman>
sigh
19:23
<alkisg1>
Once you get the chroot built, ping me to tell you how to upgrade your configuration
19:23
No big deal
19:23
But do remove the ltsp-build-client.conf
19:23
<gbaman>
:)
19:23
done
19:24
<vagrantc>
just as long as there aren't half-a-dozen other unusual tweaks...
19:25
by default the raspbian environment will use NFS rather than NBD
19:25
<gbaman>
k
19:26
erm
19:26
just noticed
19:26
my pi no longer has a config.txt
19:26
in the boot directory it only has
19:26
config-3.2.0-4-rpi System.map-3.2.0-4-rpi initrd.img-3.2.0-4-rpi vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rpi
19:26
sigh
19:28
:)
19:28
you broke it vagrantc
19:31
<vagrantc>
pfft.
19:32
gbaman: you're following the instructions for installing on the rpi foundation image?
19:32
<gbaman>
yip
19:32
<vagrantc>
yeah, it doesn't mount the partition off the pi.
19:33
it doesn't mount /boot off the sd card.
19:33
at least, once you boot it
19:33
<gbaman>
but it will need a config file
19:33
and a commandline file
19:33
<vagrantc>
not once you're booted
19:34
it didn't delete it, it simply didn't mount the partition
19:34
<gbaman>
ok, anyways, brb, dinner
19:35
<vagrantc>
although one of the curious problems is using localdev with the rpi ... you have to figure out a way to exclude the SD card image, or users can edit the boot partition
19:35
which should be possible
19:35
though during development that's pretty handy :)
19:36
i need to write a hook that generates a minimal SD card image for LTSP thin/fat clients on the RPI still
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<gbaman>
back
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19:52
<gbaman>
vagrantc ltsp-build bugged out again with E: Unable to locate package linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpis E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpis'
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19:55
<gbaman>
and vagrantc are you saying if i reboot my pi now, it will boot? i thought it needed a boot partition?
19:56
<kev_j>
is the rpi getting closer to working ok with ltsp now? (haven't been keeping up-to-date very well)
19:57
<gbaman>
it already works as a thin client
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<gbaman>
but vagrantc and alkisg are working with me to get it working as a fat client
19:57
long story
19:58
<kev_j>
that would be kinda kickass
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<kev_j>
that's right, I couldn't figure out how to change the ssh port on the thin client one... although I felt stupid when I found it in the man page.....
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<vagrantc>
gbaman: you misspelled linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi
20:03
<kev_j>
just curious though, would something like netbootcd through unetbootin work to pxe boot through the usb?
20:03
<gbaman>
i didnt type it?
20:03
<vagrantc>
gbaman: no s
20:03
<gbaman>
ok, i might have done that bit :)
20:04* gbaman sighs
20:04
<gbaman>
and vagrantc are you saying if i reboot my pi now, it will boot? i thought it needed a boot partition?
20:05
<vagrantc>
i don't know what you mean
20:05
<gbaman>
after running this
20:05
apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi
20:05
<vagrantc>
depends on the state of everything else...
20:05
<gbaman>
the contents of /boot is now
20:05
config-3.2.0-4-rpi System.map-3.2.0-4-rpi initrd.img-3.2.0-4-rpi vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-rpi
20:06
<vagrantc>
gbaman: my intructions assumed a fresh image
20:06
<gbaman>
it was a fresh image
20:06
<vagrantc>
gbaman: it wasn't the image you played with the other day?
20:07
<gbaman>
it was, but i only added ltsp-client
20:07
<vagrantc>
did you tweak the cmdline.txt ?
20:07
<gbaman>
sigh, i will prep another sd card
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20:07
<gbaman>
oops
20:07
sigh
20:07
<vagrantc>
because i could easily see it getting into a state where it's partially booted to ltsp, but broken
20:08
and that won't work very well.
20:10
"but i only changed..." is one of the most frustrating things you can hear when trying to help someone troubleshoot something :P
20:10
<gbaman>
copying image back onto the sd card now
20:13
<vagrantc>
gbaman: i'll do the same, to make absolutely sure i can follow my own instructions
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<gbaman>
lol
20:16
it will be 10-20 mins before it is ready, expanding the rootfs now then gota update it all
20:17
ltsp-build seems to be happily working away
20:17
still getting a lot of /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
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<gbaman>
the ltsp-build-client worked!
20:28
<vagrantc>
cool
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<kev_j>
I am getting "kernel module fglrx.ko may be missing or incompatible" in the xorg log on the client... any suggestions on how to fix this for an i386 client (server is amd64)?
20:42
I believe that they are installed correctly on the chroot but I am not positive
20:43
oh, and it doesn't show in lsmod, but I can't figure out how to get it to load.. at boot or otherwise
20:44
would I need to run ltsp-update-kernels (can't remember if I did or not) or are modules not included it that?
20:46
or even if anyone could point me towards a forum, article, or something where I could read up on how to manage it
20:53
<gbaman>
sigh, raspberry pis are slow...
20:53
<kev_j>
how bad is it?
20:54
and is it the 512 or the 256?
20:55
<gbaman>
512
20:55
but still dam slow
20:55
i didnt overclock this image
20:55
<ogra_>
its utter crap
20:55
<gbaman>
normally not bad
20:56
just ltsp-client and a fully apt-get upgrade is taking a while
20:56
<ogra_>
you can get a beaglebone for just a litte more money and get a proper CPU and actually open hardware
20:57
<kev_j>
oh yeah, I hate how long it takes to do any updates. I just go play a game while it's doing its thing
20:58
<gbaman>
the beaglebone is less powerfull and more expensive....
20:58
<ogra_>
its a proper CPU
20:58
and not built around lies
20:59
<gbaman>
lies?
20:59
<kev_j>
yeah, I'm a little confused on that one too
20:59
<ogra_>
the RPi is promoted as open HW ... while its completely closed
20:59
<gbaman>
ah, the gpu code
20:59
<ogra_>
you need a bonary blob to boot it ... and it uses a processor arch from last century
21:00
*binary
21:00
not talking about gpus :)
21:00
<gbaman>
but it flipping costs $35
21:00
<kev_j>
aren't they a bit closer to an xorg driver?
21:00
or am I just dreaming on that one?
21:00
<ogra_>
dunno, the beagle has open KMS capable drivers ...
21:00
and an ARMv7 CPU core
21:00
<gbaman>
and costs over twice as much
21:00
and is less powerful
21:01
<ogra_>
right, but you can actually run stiuff on it
21:01
less powerful ?
21:01
<gbaman>
you saying you cant run stuff on the pi?
21:01
<ogra_>
its like 6-8 times faster
21:01
<gbaman>
720MHz
21:01
and 256mb of ram
21:02
<ogra_>
dude
21:02
<gbaman>
pi is normally clocked at 800MHz and 512mb of ram
21:02
<ogra_>
rrright
21:02
so you think a 386SX running at 1GHz would smart out an ATOM running at 800MHz ?
21:02
<gbaman>
actually, edit - Mine is normally clocked at 1GHz with 512mb of ram
21:03
But you are paying over twice as much?
21:03
<ogra_>
they are completely different processors ...
21:04
you are paying for the capability to see *all* hw documentation, have a company behind it that cares about opensource and even pays people for developing open drivers and properly upstreaming their kernel changes
21:04
yes, its a few bucks more, but yu are doing something good and get lots better HW
21:04
<gbaman>
also a more powerful gpu on the pi
21:04
and the raspberry pi has a bigger community
21:05
<ogra_>
instead of helping the people promoting their stuff with lies as "educational" and pushing the most evil HW vendor (broadcom) money down the throst
21:05
<gbaman>
yes, but how many people actually care about the closed hw?
21:05
<ogra_>
i doubt the GPU is any more powerful
21:05
<gbaman>
it is
21:06
<ogra_>
anyway ... sorry for my raving ... i'm working to hard to get arm properly adopted the last 6 years and the RPi is for everyone who is involved in ARm just off putting
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<gbaman>
most people had never even heard of arm before the pi came out
21:07
anyways, i agree, we should stop arguing :)
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21:07* ogra_ finds it pretty depressing that people fall for it ... but well, betamax died too in favour of vhs
21:08
<gbaman>
they are for different people
21:08
<ogra_>
yes, i know, i just wish the Pi people had produced proper HW with a recent design ... and actually something open
21:09
<gbaman>
vagrantc
21:09
found a bug in your docs
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<vagrantc>
gbaman: hmm?
21:48
gbaman: it's not useful to know there's a bug- what's the bug :P
21:50* vagrantc assumes there are bugs
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<ltspuser_87>
hi
22:27
What is the recommended configuration for a kiosk
22:29
<vagrantc>
recommended hardware or software ... ?
22:30
recommended configuration?
22:31
<ltspuser_87>
i mean configuration
22:32
Because after each configuration i get normal desktop session
22:33
<vagrantc>
what do you mean by configuration?
22:33
<ltspuser_87>
Ltsp-build-client --kiosk
22:35
As I read from some websites to build kiosk Ltsp client I need to just lunch the command Ltsp-build-client –kiosk Do there is any other configuration missing
22:36
<vagrantc>
what distribution and version?
22:37
<ltspuser_87>
Ubuntu 12.04
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<ltspuser_87>
Ubuntu 12.04
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<vagrantc>
that should work, but i don't know for sure
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<ltspuser_87>
Ltsp-build-client --kiosk it is true i guess
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