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Channel log from 17 February 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<gate_keeper_>
Guys, does anyone tried ncomputing L230 thin clients
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are they supported to work with LTSP
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?
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the thin client itself has some firmware ..
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
alkisg: mmm sorry u gave me a howto last night but i forgot to bookmark it and can't find it was about nbd to nfs has something like LTSPDevil or so ? can u remember ?
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<alkisg>
DarKnesS_WolF: look at the topic, there are logs of the conversations
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(I'm at work, can't talk now)
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
alkisg: oh right ! thx didn't notice and sorry to bother :-)
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<sf->
Ok... I am about to rip my hair out and I will be eternally grateful for *any* help... I've been fighting through LTSP on Ubuntu 8.10 all day, I've also got likewise-open installed if that matters.
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I finally have it half way booting but now I am staring at a flashing "xauth: creating new authority file /var/run/ldm-xauth-xxxxxxxx
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And it's not going anywhere any time soon, let alone to GDM :(
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
sf-: what is the problem i just got it working with nbd and now with nfs also on same version
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which howto did u use ?
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<sf->
DarKnesS_WolF: Probably PEBKAC.
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:P
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ThinClientHowtoNAT
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err
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not NAT
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Just ThinClientHowto from help.ubuntu.com
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I just can't figure out where the hang up is and I'm at a loss for a method to even begin figuring this out. Was hoping someone had came across it before.
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<gate_keeper_>
does anyone tried to extend this setup to more then 2 servers ...
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https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDHCPload-balancingFailover
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is it possible?
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:/
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<alkisg>
It is possible to have 1000 dhcp servers on your network (I didn't read the wiki page, though :))
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<gate_keeper_>
:)
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read first, then comment... :)
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<alkisg>
:)
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Nah, no time... I've read the dhcp protocol, though, does that count? :D :D
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<jrd1>
hey anyone had any luck with an eon 4000? I'm at a blank screen with no ttys. Tried many a thing.
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<gate_keeper_>
alkisg, get a life!
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<alkisg>
Yup, I'll give this a shot.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all
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<jrd1>
hey anybody here who can help me out?
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<alkisg>
!ask
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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<alkisg>
jrd1, ^^^
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<jrd1>
sorry alkisg whats that mean?
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oh ok, sorry did read the previous text
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<alkisg>
jrd1: it means that in order ... ok :)
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<jrd1>
I'm trying to get an eon 4000s running, and all i get is a blank screen, with no access to a console
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<alkisg>
jrd1: distro, version?
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<jrd1>
ubuntu hardy
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i've tried a slew of lts.conf settings
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nothing funny in any logs
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<alkisg>
I'm not familiar with the specific hardware, but the usual suspect here is the drivers for the graphics card. Do you see the boot messages, and then blank screen? Did you try XSERVER=vesa?
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<jrd1>
I disabled the splash screen and all seems normal, tried vesa
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<jrd1>
no dice
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<alkisg>
Does your lts.conf work? (i.e. in the right place with the right syntax)?
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Try specifying SCREEN_02=shell to only get a shell - to see if lts.conf works
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(so: [Default] SCREEN_02=shell)
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<jrd1>
... /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 and no rebuild needed correct?
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<alkisg>
right.
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<jrd1>
alkisg: no dice, tried with and without vesa
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<alkisg>
Did you get a shell?
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<jrd1>
no
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<alkisg>
Well, try it, to be able to do X -configure then
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To see the logs etc, all locally.
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<jrd1>
i tried with SCREEN_02=shell
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and still nothing
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<alkisg>
Upload your lts.conf in pastebot:
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"jrd" pasted "lts.conf" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/255
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<jrd1>
the file appears to be working as i am getting the system log on my server
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<alkisg>
Hm... maybe it's not an X problem after all. What's the last boot message you see before the screen goes blank?
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<jrd1>
there are two lines of text that flicker up for a second... The first one says something about the loopback interface, and I foget the other one, but they are not alarming in anyway (it took like ten boots to read the two lines)
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last syslog message is "at translated set 2 keyboard as..."
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<Gadi>
jrd1: does ctrl-altf1 or ctrl-alt-f2 work?
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<jrd1>
no, but crt-alt-del does restart
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<Gadi>
is the thin client dropping you to an initramfs prompt?
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<jrd1>
no, blank screen
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<Gadi>
at what point?
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do you see a bootsplash?
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<jrd1>
yes, i get all the way through the bootsplash
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<Gadi>
what video chipset is it?
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<jrd1>
geode
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<Gadi>
ah, try disabling bootsplash
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<ogra>
evil little things
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<jrd1>
i did
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no strange errors
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<Gadi>
ah, this sounds like something I discovered recently on intrepid+geode, as well
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try this:
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install ssh in the chroot and give root a password
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that way you can ssh into the client after it boots
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<jrd1>
do i need to rebuild the image?
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<Gadi>
yes. basically do:
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ssh
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u root
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ltsp-update-image
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<jrd1>
Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2_i386.deb File not found
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whats with that? heh
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<ogra>
copy the sources.list from the server to the chroot
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and run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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then what Statler^WGadi said
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<Gadi>
:P
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<ogra>
:)
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<Gadi>
jrd1: btw, if you add the following two lts.conf params, it should work wiht intrepid:
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<jrd1>
"Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)"
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<Gadi>
XSERVER=vesa
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CONFIGURE_X=True
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but, it would be nice to know why the geode drive fails
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<ogra>
jrd1, thats a cosmetic message, ignore it
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<jrd1>
it says it can't configure openssh-server, dependency problem.
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this may be due to some bug fix i tried for the geode yesterday
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yikes, let me try the CONFIGURE_X=True
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<Gadi>
what is the exact error?
10:22* ogra would like to know that as well
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<ltsppbot>
"jrd" pasted "failed ssh install" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/256
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<Gadi>
ah, do this:
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false
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apt-get install --reinstall ssh
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<Gadi>
then exit out of the chroot
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<jrd1>
got it thanks
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<cliebow>
Balls..locked myself out
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<jrd1>
ok rebuilding client
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image*
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Gadi: can you explain why that option is required?
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What was the problem?
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<Gadi>
which option?
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<jrd1>
ltsp handle daemons
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<Gadi>
oh, many packages that run daemons start them automatically after install
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that is not desired when installing in the chroot
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so, we have a hook that squashes the daemons ability to start automatically when installing
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<jrd1>
ok
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<Gadi>
in this case, it waas trying to start ssh daemon in your chroot
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<jrd1>
so the whole thing came to an unhappy end
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ogra, do you know if "drakeweb" got his eon 4000s running completely?
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I ran across the logs when trying to fix this
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<Gadi>
jrd1: so where are you at right now?
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can you ssh into the client?
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<jrd1>
updating image still
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<Gadi>
oh, I know something else you may want to do
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<jrd1>
my fat server is actually a little lean
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<Gadi>
add "blacklist gxfb" to: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer
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and reroll the image
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gxfb is not blacklisted by default, and can probably cause issues
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<jrd1>
this is different than gx1fb?
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<Gadi>
yup
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<jrd1>
ok rebooting, ill add that in next time
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<jammcq>
bom dia meu amigos
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
hola senor
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see any logos you like?
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<jammcq>
hmm, url?
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/contestlogos.html
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<jammcq>
some very nice entries
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when's the cutoff ?
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
27th
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<th13f>
Hi guys... I am having problems with LocalDev on LTSP 4.2. I did all steps on: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
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but on step 11
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<th13f>
I cant mount using lbus_event_handler manually
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<jammcq>
CAN-o-SPAM_: the entries should be numbered, so we can talk about them
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
thats my plan
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some people have even sent in titles and what concepts the designs are based on, but i dont think ill include that
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<th13f>
It give me this out: No matches found, authority file "-" not written
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<cliebow>
i see a lobster crawleds in there
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
some sort of identifier will be available by end of next week
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<cliebow>
good stuff!!!
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<th13f>
But, when a plug a usb stick, It get mounted on Desktop, but the folder is empty
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All troubleshotting steps before this works
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can someone help-me?
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<jrd1>
ok guys, can't ssh in because i forgot to create the root password, doh
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<johnny>
th13f, sorry .. many of us don't even know ltsp 4.2 at all
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<jrd1>
but, it responded, so its not dead
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<th13f>
johnny, I have some clients running LTSP 4.2 and other running LTSP 5
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In this moment, I am in a client using LTSP 4.2
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<johnny>
obviously
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just saying that is why you're not getting much answers
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or one reason at least
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<th13f>
johnny, Ok.
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johnny, And in the mailing list?
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johnny, I am thinking in post there. What do you think about that?
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<johnny>
slightly better response i'm sure..
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<th13f>
johnny, Ok, so I`ll do this.
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thank you so much!
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<jrd1>
ok, booted the client, still blank screen but i can ssh in
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<Gadi>
jrd1: ok
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jrd1: in lts.conf get rid of the SCREEN_02 entry
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let it go to ldm
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then, ssh in, and check the logs
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or, better yet, scp /var/log/Xorg*log server:
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and pastebot it
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<ltsppbot>
"jrd1" pasted "xorg.1.log" (508 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/257
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<Gadi>
ah, it is cyrix, not geode
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you may want to try one of:
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XSERVER=vesa
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XSERVER=nsc
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XSERVER=geode
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(along with: CONFIGURE_X=True)
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<jrd1>
oh ok my mistake
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so is there any reason why x failing would stop me from getting to a shell?
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<Gadi>
could be a framebuffer issue or something
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or a buggy driver that locks up the keyboard
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or something
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<jrd1>
crt-alt-del works
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<Gadi>
ah, right
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can you get into the BIOS?
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<jrd1>
yes
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<Gadi>
maybe enable acpi
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and, make sure the video memory settings seem proper
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<jrd1>
nothing sticks out to me, no acpi i don't think, does that make sense if its old?
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theres an option to enable a cpu onboard cyrix
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still no dice
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<solar`ltsp>
what is the easiest way to dynamically set my ltsp client's hostname?
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<Lns>
solar`ltsp: dynamic dns service i'd think
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just like any non-ltsp client resolution
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<solar`ltsp>
i meant at boot time, since all the machines have names
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i.e. mac address based naming?
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<johnny>
i do ip based names
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client-$ip
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if you want to map mac addresses and give htem better names.. i use dnsmasq for that
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<solar`ltsp>
alright, thanks :D
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<johnny>
solar`ltsp, in gentoo and fedora, we both do the automatic assinging if we have no host
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assigning*
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in the init scripts
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<johnny>
ubuntu and debian don't
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<solar`ltsp>
i'm using k12linux
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so fedora
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<johnny>
might be an older version?
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<solar`ltsp>
just burned the livecd right now
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<johnny>
i'm not sure how long it has been in there for
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<solar`ltsp>
in the server's files? or in the ltsp chroot ?
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<johnny>
if you look in /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-launch , you can look for it in the chroot
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that file shows how it SHOULD work by default
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<solar`ltsp>
alright thanks :D
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hm
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ltsp-client-launch isnt on the livecd :/
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will look around in /etc/tlsp
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ltsp*
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many thanks guys :)
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<johnny>
in the chroot?
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no .. /etc/init.d/
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<solar`ltsp>
yeah the global one on the server
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not the chroot
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<johnny>
it's THE ltsp startup script.. without it.. ltsp won't start
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yeah.. cuz it's needed for the chroot only
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it would do no good outside it
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<solar`ltsp>
root@localhost init.d]# ls ltsp*
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ltsp-dhcpd
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<johnny>
that's on the server
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i keep telling you it won't be there
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it's in the chroot
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it MUST be in the chroot
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<solar`ltsp>
there isn't anything in the chroot
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/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d
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[root@localhost init.d]# ls ltsp*
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ls: cannot access ltsp*: No such file or directory
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i've got it
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thanks
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:))
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<_UsUrPeR_>
have a question about the java firefox plugin (i.e. something in ~/.mozilla/plugins)
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how do I automatically replicate that for each ltsp user?
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using ubuntu 8.10
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I am hoping I don't have to create a link in each user's directory to libnphp2.so
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<_UsUrPeR_>
err libnpjp2.so
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<Lns>
_UsUrPeR_: haven't you just installed sun-java6-plugin system-wide?
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That will make java plugin available for all users
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<_UsUrPeR_>
was following some instructions found here: http://www.64bitjungle.com/ubuntu/install-java-jre-160-update-x-on-hardy-as-the-default-java-runtime/
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lns: rgr
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<Lns>
_UsUrPeR_: if you've messed with any users' ~/.mozilla plugins, might want to take them out after installing that pkg
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<_UsUrPeR_>
lns: about installing that across-the-board, should I just put it in /usr/bin instead of /opt like the page suggests?
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<Lns>
_UsUrPeR_: if you just apt-get install sun-java6-plugin it should put it in the right place.. ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
lns: will that be the proper x64 version?
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I suppose I should check that :)
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<Lns>
_UsUrPeR_: yeah..not sure about that
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<johnb_>
Hello
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We removed FC10 and are now trying out ubuntu 8.10
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booted 10 out of 10 clients so far
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<_UsUrPeR_>
johnb_: congrats :D
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on booting properly, that is
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<johnb_>
yes I think you were around when I was trying to get our legacy clients to boot off fc10 last wee
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k
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I'
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<_UsUrPeR_>
it's possible. What's going on now?
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<johnb_>
I'm looking for documentation on how to change the ip configuration in a two tic setup
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two nic setup that is
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I'm not familliar with the new network manager
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<johnny>
you should probably edit /etc/network/interfaces directly
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and not rely on networkmanager (yet)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I concur with johnny
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<johnb_>
in fedora I had instructions on how to bypass the network "mangler"
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<_UsUrPeR_>
the interface can be a bit hokey
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lol
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nice re-name for it :)
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<Lns>
heh
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I have gotten the network manager working properly in 8.10
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<Lns>
i'd have to say /etc/network/interfaces is the easiest and most stable user interface for managing NICs.. ;)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
the key is re-creating each interface and specifying the MAC address under the "wired" menu
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<johnny>
i think if you manually set /etc/network/interfaces then networkmanager will be generally ignored
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it'd be nice if i could actually save settings via networkmanager tho
15:02
<Lns>
networkdamager?
15:02
<johnny>
it'll take awhile before networkmanager supports every option people want
15:02
it seems that almost all the average user everyday tasks are now supported
15:03* Lns does like the networkmanager-openvpn plugin... though it doesn't handle .p12 files very well and you have to manually extract certs/keys still :(
15:04
<johnb_>
I have made changes using manager but they dont show up in /etc/network/interfaces . I'd like to know what file the manager writes to?
15:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnb: are you looking for a template?
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<johnny>
johnb_, no.. write it directly
15:05
there is tons of documentation out there for that file
15:05
no need to ask us
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<johnb_>
yes I know just wasn't sure if I had to deal with the manager first.
15:06
In the latest fedora
15:06
you let the manager take of eth0 and then edit eth1 manualy
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<johnb_>
ok I see fedora k12linux is using the virtual bridge device - ubuntu is not
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<johnny>
fedora is the only one who does that as far as i know
15:13
<epsas>
it's nice
15:14
johnb - you have to make sure that you save changes made inside the manager.
15:14
s/have/might\ have
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<johnb_>
ok so I will edit /etc/network/interfaces then change the settings in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf then run update-sshkeys and update-image and I should be back in business with new ips for lab
15:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnb_: don't forget to restart/start /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
15:18
Lns: pertaining to our discussion about universal firefox addons: it can go in /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/
15:18
<johnb_>
will do
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<Lns>
_UsUrPeR_: right - for FF3
15:19
FF2 is /usr/lib/firefox/plugins iirc
15:19
<johnb_>
it's interesting, choosing one interface over another in network manager rewrites the /etc/network/interfaces
15:21
thanks all - this is all looking very good
15:21
bye
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<xrmx>
hi, i have black screen with thincan and ltsp 5 debian lenny, any hint?
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<epsas>
hmm
15:31
<xrmx>
i'm installaing the geode x.org video driver for start
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<sepski>
ldm_directx seem to have improved latency to a reliable level
15:34
johnny, Ryan52 thanks for the tip.
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<xrmx>
progress!
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<johnny>
sepski, and you know what that option means?
15:36
there's a reason it isn't enabled by default
15:37
it means that anybody with local access to the network could sniff the traffic and see what your users are doing
15:37
<sepski>
well i assume it runs X outside the ssh tunnel
15:37
<johnny>
yep
15:37
security thign
15:37
as long as you know.. that is what is important
15:37
<sepski>
it's just this 1 client i controll all the switches. and it's useless as it was default becouse of the long haul
15:37
and it's fiberoptics all the way
15:39
altho that beeing said, my first option was to use arcfour or blowfish cipher to reduce latency. but i failed to find an option for that. now ldm_directx was not in the lts.conf example in leny either tho so there should be a SSH_ARGS option for all i know
15:40
35 km from my thin client to the server. atleast i have a allways on 100% silent workstation. next ill use isci or ata over ethernet to reduce the noise from the workstations
15:41
i must be getting to old. i am looking for fanless grafic cards instead of quad SLI one's :)
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<xrmx>
how much should take a shutdown with debian lenny / ltsp 5 / thincan?
16:25
<knipwim>
in my attempt to mount NFS root i get a: mount: RPC: Unable to send; errno = Network is unreachable
16:25
when booting to /dev/sda1 next, i can only mount the same nfs share after starting portmap
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what could be wrong?
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i double checked the kernel, it can mount root on nfs
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<Guest___>
hi
17:37
i have several dell machines, an optiplex and a dimension 4500s, both with PCI NICs, and their bioses wont allow me to pxe boot
17:37
is there a way i can install pxelinux to a hard drive ?
17:37
<johnny>
hmm ? the optiplex should boot
17:38
there's one specific options i had to enable before it showed up
17:38
i forgot what it is called tho
17:38
<Guest___>
oh
17:38
excuse me
17:38
the optiplex does boot
17:38
but it has other issues
17:38
two dimensions arent booting
17:38
4500s and 2200
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they both have PCI NICs , not onboard
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<johnny>
ah
17:39
i just use a floppy
17:39
<Guest___>
hitting f3 at boot does nothing, it says 'booting network' but it doesnt do anything
17:40
<johnny>
but yes.. you can put gpxe on a hard drive, floppy, etc
17:40
<Guest___>
how?
17:42
ok nvm
17:44
what is the easiest way to install it to ah ard drive?
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<Guest___>
oops
17:51
anyway it boots with the cd
17:52
but the optiplex, an ibm machine, and both these dimensions all have issues with display
17:52
i can netboot fine on an hp machine here
17:52
the other machines have garbled text
17:52
and input doesnt show up
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but i can login even though my text doesnt show up
17:54
johnny: can you help?
17:55
<johnny>
kinda busy atm
17:55
<Guest___>
ok sry
17:55
<johnny>
if you idle long enough, somebody probably can
17:55
<Guest___>
ok
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<Guest___>
i think i figured it out
18:07
johnny: quick question, is xorg config simply autogenerated or is there a template ?
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<kaos01>
is there anything i can do to improve the X speed between client/server ?
18:23
<Lns>
kaos01: use LDM_DIRECTX = True in lts.conf
18:23
kaos01: but note that this completely disables encryption between client and server (very insecure)
18:23
<kaos01>
ok
18:24
<Guest___>
Lns: i can use one of my clients fine, an hp machine
18:24
however none of my other clients work
18:24
i have garbled corrupted text and graphics
18:24
i just tried setting x's bpp to 16, i am trying vesa driver now
18:25
what could possibly be happening?
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<Lns>
Guest___: i'd guess it's not detecting the video chipset
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<Guest___>
VESA works fine, so that must be correct
18:27
hmmmmmm
18:27
<Lns>
yea
18:27
<Guest___>
how can I have X autodetect chipset more accurately without making Xorg.conf files for each machine? :?
18:28
i would use VESA but the screen res is much too low
18:29
<Lns>
Guest___: iirc there's an lts.conf option to force a chipset
18:29
might wanna look at the upstream docs
18:29
<Guest___>
yes, XSERVER
18:29
which i am using
18:29
to set vesa
18:29
<Lns>
alright
18:29
<Guest___>
but all these boxes have different chips
18:30
<Lns>
and none of them are detected correctly?
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<Guest___>
the HP is
18:30
none of the others are
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<Lns>
!ver
18:30
<ltspbot>
Lns: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
18:30
<Lns>
oops
18:30
!dist
18:30
<ltspbot>
Lns: Error: "dist" is not a valid command.
18:30
<Lns>
blah.. Guest___ what's your distro?
18:30
<Guest___>
Fedora 10
18:31
<Lns>
oh
18:31
that's a warren question then...he's not here though :(
18:31
umm...well if it's really not autodetecting on ANY of them besides the HP the only thing i can suggest is hunt down each chipset and make an lts.conf stanza for each
18:31
it's strange that so many wouldn't be detected properly though
18:32
<Guest___>
i have three Dell machines, and an IBM machine, none of them work properly, and I havent tested my others
18:35
oh well
18:35
THX anyway
18:35
<Lns>
Guest___: good luck!
18:35
<Guest___>
I think
18:36
i can add a check for the video card
18:36
via lspci and grok it out on a startup script
18:36
does that sound viable? :/
18:37
<johnny>
you can set it in lts.conf per machine
18:37
once you know em
18:37
read the lts-parameters.txt
18:38
<Guest___>
johnny: i dont want to hardcode it
18:38
since machines will be joining and leaving
18:38
<johnny>
better to try solving the problem at another level
18:38
instead
18:38
like X..
18:38
<Guest___>
i will write a script to generate an Xorg config file as I said
18:39
<johnny>
better not to do that
18:39
you could try CONFIGURE_X=T (if that is the default)
18:39
you could try to tweak it
18:39
<Guest___>
T?
18:39
<johnny>
or True..
18:39
True|Y
18:39
<Guest___>
O
18:39
<johnny>
i don't know what the default in fedora is
18:39
so try toggling it
18:40
first Y and then N
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<johnny>
CONFIGURE_X uses the old method of doing things
18:40
the new way is to let x figure everything out
18:40
<Guest___>
trying CONFIGURE_X=Y
18:42
it fails to boot
18:43
=T it seems to be booting
18:43
<johnny>
don't use T i guess
18:43
try Y|N or True|False
18:43
perhaps T means N in this case..
18:43
<Guest___>
that makes no sense
18:43
it is booting
18:43
hold on
18:44
<jrd1>
hey guys, ubuntu 8.04 with an eon 4000s, all boots well than blank screen when i should get a login, no access to ttys, can ssh in, but nothing funny in logs
18:44
<Guest___>
same corruption, johnny
18:44
<johnny>
sounds like another chip detection
18:44
Guest___, it sounds like you're not going to have better luck with a custom parser
18:44
the problem is the video driver
18:44
i don't see how the detection could go so wrong
18:45
try forcing it
18:45
not vesa
18:45
but whatever it really is
18:45
<Guest___>
trying with CONFIGURE_X=Trye
18:45
true*
18:46
<johnny>
jrd1, set XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf..
18:46
<Guest___>
another quick question
18:47
what vnc server allows me to view an already running X server, not Xvnc ?
18:47
i cannot remember its name
18:47
<johnny>
none?
18:47
oh..
18:47* johnny isn't all that familiar with vnc
18:47
<johnny>
never used it really
18:47
<Guest___>
it exists, but I cannot check at the moment,
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<Guest___>
trying forcing intel driver
18:49
<jrd1>
tried vesa, geode, and some others, as well as varying color depth and res
18:50
<Guest___>
vesa will or should always work
18:50
<stgraber>
jrd1: what geode ?
18:50
jrd1: gx2 ?
18:50
<Guest___>
it appears to be intel driver problem, johnny
18:50
oh well
18:50
<jrd1>
im not sure
18:50
<stgraber>
jrd1: look in lspci
18:50
<johnny>
Guest___, you might want to try to upgrade it..
18:51
<jrd1>
it is a cyrix
18:52
<Guest___>
cyrix = cpu
18:52
also northbridge or southbridge chip
18:53
<johnny>
i remember cyrix... i actually had a cyrix machine once.. an iopener
18:53
<jrd1>
VGA compatible controller: Cyrix Corporation 5530 Video [Kahlua]
18:53
thats the lspci line
18:54
<Lns>
cyrix rocked!
18:54
those cpus were bulletproof
18:54
and about the cost of a single bullet!
18:54
<jhutchins_kc>
I just updated debian to sarge and broke my ltsp :(
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18:55
<jrd1>
so cyrix is the graphics processor correct?
18:55
<Lns>
jrd1: looks like it
18:56
<jrd1>
I've tried all sorts of combinations of settings, no dice, blank screen no ttys
18:56
correct me if im wrong but if the problem was with X, i should still be able to get to a shell right?
18:57
<Guest___>
indeed
18:57
<johnny>
not quite
18:57
<jhutchins>
doh! lenny, not sarge.
18:57
<johnny>
you sure things switched? and it didn't just freeze?
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<stgraber>
Ryan52: did you have some time to look at these ldm-dialog changes ?
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<jhutchins>
Does anyone know of a checklist of the steps necessary to do an upgrade on an ltsp server?
19:09
<johnny>
what kinda upgrade?
19:09
if you upgrade distro versions.. you should generate a new chroot
19:09
that's about it
19:10
<Ryan52>
stgraber, sadly, no. I'm a bit more behind on my todo list than usual. here, I'll go work on it right now.
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<stgraber>
Ryan52: thanks. Ubuntu has feature freeze on thursday and I'd like to get a new ldm/ltsp/ltspfs in before that
19:14* Ryan52 also needs to be getting changes into Fedora soon...I'm over a week late for the latest ltsp version. :(
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<Ryan52>
uhhh.
20:25
wth?
20:25
how stupid is python?
20:26
generate.. won't run because of the accent in stgraber's name -.-
20:33* Ryan52 fixed it
20:35
<stgraber>
yeah, you have to force it to utf-8 using a magic comment that tells the interpreter to switch to utf-8
20:35
or just drop the accent :)
20:35
cool, you did the first one :)
20:36
(I do either depending on how easily I can find that line in existing python files)
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<johnny>
Ryan52, i'm so glad that is going away soon
20:36
having to do that..
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<Ryan52>
stgraber, okay, I think I did everything that I was sposed to do (at least to some extent..)...did I miss anything?
21:29* Ryan52 doesn't have the best memory..
21:29* Ryan52 didn't write it down, either
21:44* stgraber is looking at the diff
21:45
<stgraber>
diff looks good, I can easily test the resize part, for the translation part it'll be a bit harder as I only have english on my laptop
21:46
<Ryan52>
gah, crap, I broke something.
21:46
*some things
21:46
:P
21:46
<stgraber>
oh
21:46
<johnny>
of course you did.. :)
21:46
right before freeze hehe
21:47
<stgraber>
johnny: well, for me it's not a problem :) I need all features by Thursday, I then have two months to debug them :)
21:47
<Ryan52>
hey, it isn't tagged yet! :P
21:48
<johnny>
stgraber, what is your environment on your personal machine?
21:48
<Ryan52>
it'd sure be nice if something were translated in some language for ldm-dialog...
21:50
stgraber: non == no and oui == yes? (for the buttons). or is it more complicated than my half of high school french 1 education has taught me? :P
21:58
<stgraber>
well, I don't think we really have Yes/No, we rather have OK/Cancel that should be OK/Annuler in french
22:01
<Ryan52>
okie doke.
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<Ryan52>
there, I think it's back in one piece again :/
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