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Channel log from 13 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<sbalneav>
https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
00:01
<tulga>
why I get warning when I run update-sshkeys?
00:01
<sbalneav>
bug in -sshkeys
00:01
squashed it in my tree yesterday
00:01
<rjune>
jammcq: got a car
00:01
<sbalneav>
just ignore it, it's harmless.
00:01
<tulga>
ok
00:01
<rjune>
I hope it runs soon
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00:17
<sbalneav>
tulga: Working now, or not?
00:19
<tulga>
build client not finished yet
00:19
going dist-upgrade
00:21
sbalneav: thinclient is different than remote desktop. is it?
00:21
<sbalneav>
What do you mean?
00:22
<tulga>
is ltsp same technology remote desktop?
00:23
<sbalneav>
rdesktop in windows you mean?
00:23
<tulga>
yes
00:23
<sbalneav>
Sort of.
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<vagrantc>
similar, not same.
00:26
sort of.
00:28
<tulga>
what is different NX protocol?
00:28
<vagrantc>
LTSP is just a collection of services ... you can use NX with LTSP
00:29
<tulga>
is NX quick?
00:29
<sbalneav>
Quicker over slow lines
00:29
slower over fast lines
00:29
You wouln't want to use it on a local network.
00:30
Plus, it puts a big load on the server.
00:30
<tulga>
ok
00:34
sbalneav: I need create user in chroot?
00:34
<sbalneav>
no
00:35
users are created on the server.
00:35
<tulga>
ok
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00:51
<tulga>
sbalneav: /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img already in /etc/inetd.conf, no need to update.
00:51
info: LTSP client installation completed successfully
00:51
build-client finished
00:51
now restart terminal?
00:51
<sbalneav>
yes
00:51
man, how fast's your server
00:51
<tulga>
server is my PC
00:52
<sbalneav>
mine only takes like about 4 minutes to rebuild
00:52
<tulga>
CPU: 3GhZ, RAM 1GB
00:52
download takes much time
00:52
<sbalneav>
ah
00:52
<tulga>
my internet connection very slow
00:52
10kb
00:52
I need to change ip. I'll be back soon :)
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01:00
<tulga>
sbalneav: not working :(
01:01
<sbalneav>
ok, so log in as root on the console, tty1
01:01
<tulga>
root also not working
01:01
login incorrect
01:01
I did chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
01:01
then passwd
01:02
<sbalneav>
did you do that before you did the update-image?
01:02
<tulga>
ahh I didn't do update-image
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01:11
<tulga>
sbalneav: ok, I logged root
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01:12
<sbalneav>
Can you log in on the greeter?
01:12
<tulga>
no. ssh
01:12
shell
01:12
now start ldm?
01:13
<sbalneav>
I'd say so.
01:13
<vagrantc>
doesn't LDM get started by default ?
01:14
<tulga>
it started by default. but cannot login
01:14
<sbalneav>
Yes
01:14
<tulga>
what is parameter>
01:14
ldm <vt[1-N]> <: [0-N]>
01:15
<sbalneav>
don't start it that way
01:15
<tulga>
ok. howto find where is my problem?
01:15
I cannot login on the greeter
01:15
<sbalneav>
What have you got in your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf?
01:15
<tulga>
in server?
01:16
only i386 folder in ltsp, not lts.conf there
01:17
<sbalneav>
Does the greeter start up?
01:17
Do you have the graphical login screen?
01:17
<tulga>
yes, I have graphical login screen
01:17
I think now I need enter username, password in server?
01:17
<sbalneav>
yes
01:18
<tulga>
Veryfying password. please wait...
01:18
<sbalneav>
If you log on on the text console, look in /var/log/ldm/log
01:18
/var/log/ldm.log
01:18
<tulga>
wow now working
01:18
<sbalneav>
there you go.
01:19
<tulga>
it is cool!
01:21
sbalneav: my client is ASUS A6Va laptop. but I cannot use keyboard now. when I click "u", I get 4. if I click fn + u, I get u
01:22
<sbalneav>
Quite possible.
01:22
is your keyboard en_us?
01:22
<tulga>
yes
01:23
other buttons working properly. but all fn buttons not working
01:24
<sbalneav>
entirely possible.
01:26
OK, well, it's 1:23 am here
01:26
<tulga>
can I mount removable device?
01:26
<sbalneav>
should be able to.
01:26
<tulga>
ok thanks
01:26
<sbalneav>
If there's nothing else, I'll head to bed.
01:27
ok?
01:27
<tulga>
ok c ya
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<tulga>
my keyboard not working properly. I didn't click fn button. but it is working like fn clicked
03:22
howto enable audio on clients?
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<tulga>
howto enable audio support?
04:05
someone here?
04:06
music playing in speaker. but not play headphone
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06:07
<cliebow>
!seen sbalneav
06:07
<ltspbot`>
cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 40 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <sbalneav> ok?
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07:10
<ruivaldo>
Hi, i am using ltsp 4 and want to execute wvdial on the client, how can i make the /dev/ttyS0 of the client be loaded ?
07:13* ogra doesnt tuch the old ltsp 4 code but thinks there are some lts.conf options you can set decribed on wiki.ltsp.org
07:14
<ogra>
generally ita a pain to get additional software into ltsp 4.x if you have the option anyhow i'd really go for ltsp5
07:15
<ruivaldo>
ogra, we are trying to execute, by ssh, the wvdial on the client.
07:15
and after connected, we would use firefox there.
07:17
<ogra>
so you want to modify on eclient as dialup router ?
07:17
*one client
07:18
<ruivaldo>
ogra, you got :) we have an internet connection on the server, but we want three clients to connect using dial-up.
07:19
ogra, i know, a bit old technology but we are obligated :)
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07:22
<ogra>
well, in ltsp5 i'd just install wvdial in the client chroot, set up a little script to be run from rc.local that checks if its run on the dialup client (using the MAC address) and dials in if it is
07:23
for the three clients t use dialup i'D add a small script tat resets the route to the dialup client ...
07:24* ogra needs to reboot ... brb
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07:49
<nonsparker>
Good morning everyone
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07:51
<nonsparker>
Can some one give me some help adding a window manager once i built a kiosk client
07:52
<ogra>
with ltsp-build-client ?
07:53
<nonsparker>
yeah
07:54
or after i have run ltsp-build-client --kiosk
07:55
<ogra>
on ubuntu or on debian ?
07:55
the ubuntu variant should already have installed metacity
07:55
<nonsparker>
ubuntu
07:56
yeah but it does show the close icons and i can not move windows around
07:56
<ogra>
hmm
07:57
can you do a : grep apt-get /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-kiosk
07:58
i just see that metacity is missing here in my gutsy install
07:58
(it should be in the returned line)
07:58
<nonsparker>
ok let me check
07:58
<ogra>
if metacity is missing, check with the following command: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l metacity
07:59
if that starts with "un" run: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install metacity
08:00
<nonsparker>
ok
08:00
<ogra>
and tell me if it was there ... if its missing its a bug that i should fix in gutsy
08:01
<nonsparker>
it said it failed to read the archive 'metacity' : no such file or directory
08:01
<ogra>
which one ?
08:02
<nonsparker>
the second one you gave me
08:02
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install metacity ?
08:02
<nonsparker>
no the dpkg -I metacity
08:02
<ogra>
that a small -i
08:02
;)
08:02
err
08:02
no
08:02
that an -l
08:02
like "lama"
08:03
<nonsparker>
should it be an i?
08:03
<ogra>
no an l
08:03
<nonsparker>
yeah so it didn't find it
08:03
<ogra>
like in lama or luna or ltsp
08:03
<nonsparker>
ahhh ok
08:04
<ogra>
its short for --list
08:04
<nonsparker>
no packages found matching metacity
08:04
<ogra>
ok
08:04
so install it
08:04
<nonsparker>
ok
08:04
<ogra>
(with the last command)
08:04
<nonsparker>
so that is a bug?
08:04
<ogra>
yeah
08:05
i'll fix in right now in the gutsy tree
08:06
<nonsparker>
cool thanks a bunch for the help
08:06
<ogra>
thanks for the pointer ... we'd have gone for ages with metacity missing ;)
08:07
<nonsparker>
no problem I'm still a newbie and I'm happy I could contribute
08:08
<ogra>
http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/revision/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813130314-bzzqqz1oj6v5lryl?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813130314-bzzqqz1oj6v5lryl
08:08
there we go ;)
08:08
<nonsparker>
awsome!
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<cyrenity>
hi all
08:18
my users are complaining for slow thin clint boot and response
08:18
what should i check for
08:25
any idea?
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08:53
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:54
<ogra>
!s
08:54
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:02
<joebaker>
Good morning.
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09:14
<tulga>
hello sbalneav
09:15
<sbalneav>
Hello
09:15
<tulga>
now morning?
09:16
<ogra>
tulga, yeah, we're spread around the world ;) afternoon ...
09:16
<tulga>
now night in mongolia :)
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09:23
<BlackDark>
hi
09:23
how can I prevent xorg crashing because it;s out of memory ?
09:23
<ogra>
add more memory ?
09:23
use network swapping ...
09:23
<BlackDark>
do you have an howto for that ?
09:24
I'm using the 1220 terms, with 128 megs of ram
09:24
<ogra>
that is sufficient
09:24
<BlackDark>
is it normal that xorg crashe ?
09:24
<ogra>
its not a ram issue unless you got broken ram chips
09:24
indeed it isnt
09:24
<BlackDark>
last time it was with impress
09:24
<ogra>
but with 128M it wont be a ram issue
09:25
<BlackDark>
while displaying a diporama
09:25
ok
09:25
<ogra>
how does it crash ?
09:25
just lock up and you cant move the mouse ?
09:25
or does the complete dsplay die ?
09:25
<BlackDark>
yes
09:25
lockup and then session is closing, and back to the login prompt
09:26
not session closing, session killing
09:26
I got the same problem with firefox and the fasterfox plugin
09:26
<sbalneav>
Might want to check your .xsession-errors file
09:27
<ogra>
thats likely an X driver issue
09:27
<sbalneav>
What version of ltsp are you using?
09:27* ogra never heard of fasterfox
09:27
<BlackDark>
The application 'gnome-cups-icon' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0;
09:27
most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
09:27
the application.
09:27
1187011592.532204 Session manager: gsm-remote-desktop.c:130: activation of OAFIID:GNOME_RemoteDesktopServer failed: System exception: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
09:28
ltsp 5
09:28
my server runs ubuntu edgy
09:28
fasterfox is a plugin to tune firefox for better performances
09:29
<ogra>
well ... it might trigger the bug by to heavy tweakage
09:29
<BlackDark>
after disabling it, it was better
09:29
ogra : correct
09:30
do you think it might be related to the via driver ?
09:31
<ogra>
well, the 1220 uses vesa by default
09:31
there is no proper driver for it
09:31
<BlackDark>
I tried to compile the via driver
09:31
<ogra>
(teh standard via driver doesnt support that card)
09:31
well, then thats likely
09:31
does it happen with the default setup with vesa ?
09:32
<BlackDark>
actually I followed the howto in the ubuntu website
09:32
I havent' tried yet
09:32
<ogra>
i havent tried that howto with edgy ever ...
09:32
<BlackDark>
did you try it with an another version of ubuntu ?
09:32
<ogra>
i know the feisty version works stable ... i have one chroot with it around
09:33
and we are trying to get a proper package of the openchrome driver into gutsy or gutsy+1
09:33
but thats not happened yet
09:36
<BlackDark>
would you recommend to use the vesa driver ?
09:41
<ogra>
if it doesnt crash
09:48
<BlackDark>
btw do you know how to enter in the bios of the 1220 ?
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10:25
<BlackDark>
ogra, I found this in dmesg : [17190356.692000] Out of Memory: Kill process 3564 (ldm) score 998 and children.[17190356.692000] Out of memory: Killed process 3618 (Xorg).
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12:07
<vagrantc>
ok, today i attempt to merge ubuntu and debian bzr branches.
12:07
this is probably some of the most radical changes yet.
12:09
<ogra>
you should probably wait until end of the week
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12:10
<ogra>
sbalneav fixed most of the ldm issues ... i'll merge that before feature freeze (thursday)
12:10* sbalneav frantically tries to get ldm working
12:11
<ogra>
sbalneav, working doesnt matter
12:11
just get all features in you want in gutsy ;)
12:11
thats what matters for FF
12:11
<sbalneav>
lol
12:11
<vagrantc>
well, i'd like to see it working :P
12:12
<ogra>
two months time to fix stuff afterwards ;)
12:12
<sbalneav>
Sneaky buggers :)
12:12
<vagrantc>
so, LDM in gutsy doesn't work right now ?
12:12
or what?
12:13
<ogra>
sure it does
12:13
<vagrantc>
well, then i'd like to get at least that far.
12:13
<ogra>
scotts branch doesnt :P
12:13
he breaks stuff all the time :P
12:13
ON PURPOSE !
12:14* vagrantc would rather see broken commits in the right direction than no commits
12:15
<vagrantc>
well, usually.
12:15
<shogunx>
hi ogra... you have a pointer to the docs for LocalDev on Fiesty?
12:15
vagrantc long time no see... how are things?
12:15
<vagrantc>
just got a new LTSP uploaded to debian today ... though mostly translation updates.
12:15
<ogra>
shogunx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices ?
12:15
<vagrantc>
haven't merged any of the crazy new stuff from ubuntu yet
12:16
<shogunx>
thanx ogra... I will doublecheck against that.
12:16
<ogra>
s/crazy/extremly sane/ :P
12:16
<shogunx>
:)
12:17
ogra... did all that already... no joy.
12:17
<ogra>
shogunx, thats a default ubuntu ?
12:17
<shogunx>
tho i did adduser $USERNAME fuse instead of the gui way.
12:17
<ogra>
that shouldnt matter
12:17
<shogunx>
default ubuntu on x86_64
12:18
<ogra>
hmm
12:18
<shogunx>
SCREEN_7=startx instead of ldm in lts.conf... thats about the only difference
12:18
<ogra>
aha
12:18
well, thats the significant one :)
12:18
<vagrantc>
startx doesn't support local devices
12:19
<ogra>
drop that and you will have localdev
12:19
<vagrantc>
did LDM_DIRECTX make it into feisty ?
12:19
<ogra>
no
12:19
Gadi didnt come up with it before release
12:19
<shogunx>
damn... i made it work on the last one with startx. had to fool with the udev scripts, iirc.
12:19
<ogra>
or he came up with it during beta or so ...
12:19
<shogunx>
i just don't want the processor overhead from the ssh connection.
12:20
<ogra>
shogunx, there is a patched ldm that supports unencrypted X (while handling passwords through ssh still)
12:20
<vagrantc>
yeah, you want the LDM_DIRECTX patch
12:20
<ogra>
i think sbalneav uploaded a patched ldm somewhere
12:21
<sbalneav>
!ldm
12:21
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
12:22
<ogra>
aha
12:22
i was just diggin my mailbox :)
12:22
<shogunx>
on this particular network it should not be a big deal... only 5 seats, but once i scale up the seatcount, the crypto makes a difference.
12:22
just drop in the above ldm in place of the old?
12:23
<ogra>
yep, replace the binary and add LDM_DIRECTX=True
12:23
(to your lts.conf
12:23
)
12:23* vagrantc wants a separate source package for LDM
12:23
<ogra>
vagrantc, why is that ?
12:23
oh, right, we agreed on that back in sevilla
12:23
<shogunx>
ok, will do. back in a flash.
12:24
<ogra>
might be to late for me in gutsy though
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12:24
<ogra>
vagrantc, if we implement the standalone part in gutsy+1 we'll separate it i think
12:24
<vagrantc>
ogra: sure.
12:25
<Lumiere>
ogra: is there any information on the deadlines for gutsy?
12:25
<ogra>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
12:25
<Lumiere>
thanks
12:26
<vagrantc>
otavio: as always, thanks for the upload.
12:27
<Gadi>
ogra: did you get my IM on friday regarding the configure-x.sh stuff I pushed?
12:27
<ogra>
vagrantc, still no DD ?
12:27
Gadi, nope
12:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: nope
12:27
ogra: there was actually a resolution passed to give limited status to maintainers ... i.e. only upload your own packages.
12:27
ogra: i'll definitely apply for that
12:27
<ogra>
sounds great
12:27
<Gadi>
https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-configurex-mods-ltsp
12:28
<vagrantc>
but the infrastructure isn't in place yet.
12:28
<Lumiere>
well I think it's possible to get schooltool-cando ready for newpackagesfreezeuniverse
12:29
<ogra>
Gadi, where are the default values for the X_TOUCH_MIN/MAX ars from ?
12:29
*vars
12:31
<otavio>
vagrantc: :-)
12:31
vagrantc: you're welcome
12:31
<vagrantc>
otavio: would you advocate me for the "debian maintainer" status thing ? or is it silly until dak supports it ?
12:32
<otavio>
vagrantc: I wouldn't support since I'd like to get you as developer ;-)
12:33
<ogra>
heh, clever :)
12:33
<vagrantc>
otavio: well, i'll keep doing that
12:33
<otavio>
vagrantc: :-)
12:36
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: is the new LDM translateable yet? :)
12:37
<sbalneav>
No.
12:38
Haven't got in any gettext support yet,
12:38
<shogunx>
wow. that takes 45 seconds to bring up a login after X starts
12:39
<vagrantc>
just like old times!
12:39
<shogunx>
geez
12:39
i'm gonna have to hack those udev scripts again.
12:42
perfectly working local devices tho!
12:43
<Gadi>
ogra: they were from the original LTSP code - they are simply to have some values
12:44
prolly won't be the correct ones
12:44
:)
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<shogunx>
where does ldm store its session options?
12:47
as in session type config files>
12:47
?
12:48
<BlackDark>
to enable the network swapping, do I only need to add 2 lines in lts.conf, nbd_port and swap_server ?
12:48
with ubuntu/ltsp5
12:48
<sbalneav>
shogunx: Not sure what you mean?
12:49
BlackDark: The network swapping should be on by default, I beleive
12:52
<BlackDark>
when enabled, on the terminal, am I going to get some values for swap with the free command ?
12:52
<sbalneav>
should
12:52
WHOOOHOOOOO
12:52
Just logged in on my terminal
12:52
failsafe X session
12:53
session selection sorta working!
12:53
<shogunx>
i need to pass a different value to ldm for the binary to execute for E17
12:53
<sbalneav>
E17?
12:53
<shogunx>
Enlightenment
12:54
<sbalneav>
You'd have to modify ldm for that.
12:54
I don't think you can change the default session in feisty's ldm.
12:54
<shogunx>
gdm has a config file for each type of desktop session... ldm does not work this way?
12:54
<sbalneav>
The one I'm working on has an LDM_SESSION env
12:55
nop
12:55
nope.
12:55
ldm just selects whatever sessions are available on the server.
12:55
<shogunx>
not the default session... when i choose enlightenment (with session type menu), it wants to call the enlightenment binary instead of the enlightenment_start script
12:56
as a result, E17 crashes.
12:56
<sbalneav>
it's essentially just doing an "ssh -l username server "session"
12:56
<shogunx>
ok, where does it determine which session types are available>
12:57
<sbalneav>
update-alternatives x-session-manager
12:57
update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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<shogunx>
ahh... and writes that to an array or file, which ldm parses?
12:58
<sbalneav>
yep
12:58
and ldm just picks one to execute
12:58
<shogunx>
gotcha
12:59
<ogra>
you can use ~/.xsession
12:59
<sbalneav>
ogra: hey, I can select my session!
12:59
<ogra>
to override the default session
12:59
<sbalneav>
I've logged in both using gnome, and a failsafe xterm!
12:59* ogra applauds sbalneav extatically
12:59* sbalneav is so proud.
12:59
<sbalneav>
\o/ for me
13:00
<ogra>
YAY
13:00* ogra dances
13:00
<sbalneav>
I'll bzr push
13:00
<shogunx>
if i were going to be operating this network, i surely would. it is going to a tiny village in Benin, and I want to send it as head scratcher free as possible.
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<shogunx>
i'm going to kludge the udev scripts to work with gdm... if anyone wants the scripts when I'm done, I will post them.
13:01
<ogra>
shogunx, that wont work
13:01
the ltspfs scripts need the ldm ssh tunnel to communicate to the server
13:01
<shogunx>
unless you have changed it significantly since the last release... which it appears you have.
13:02
maybe i can put lbus back in.
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<shogunx>
had to do that on edgy, iirc.
13:02
<ogra>
why do you customize it so much if you want it "as head scratcher free as possible" ??
13:03
that will make it very hard to maintain ...
13:03* ogra would go with an as-default-setup as possible to mae sure everyone can maintain it later
13:04
<shogunx>
i want certain features to work out of the box when it arrives onsite. i do as much config here as possible before shipping the network out to somewhere with no power grid.
13:04
previous version shipped with a whip-snappy fast login loading... i can't send a next revision machine with a 45 second delay.
13:05
<ogra>
well, up to you indeed ... i can only contribute my experiences to that :)
13:05
<shogunx>
oh, do not think i am not thankful. i am.
13:05
<ogra>
when do you need to deploy ?
13:06
<shogunx>
the NGo installing the solar power will be ready for shipment next week.
13:06
NGO ^^
13:06
takes 4 days door to door to Benin from florida.
13:06
<ogra>
ah, well, to early for gutsy
13:06
<shogunx>
next machine will for sure be in the gutsy range.
13:07
<ogra>
gutsy cuts down booting significantly ...
13:07
and runs on the wrst crap you can imagine :)
13:07
*worst
13:07
<shogunx>
i am a reasonably able programmer... difficulty level in backporting?
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<ogra>
from 1-10 ?
13:07
<shogunx>
sure
13:08
<ogra>
11 i'd say ...
13:08
<shogunx>
heh heh
13:08
<ogra>
there were massive changes, like dropping nfs
13:08
<shogunx>
how are you accessing the chroot now?
13:08
<ogra>
as we did before
13:09
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
13:09
see that page
13:09
<shogunx>
ok
13:09
<ogra>
it roughly describes the changes
13:10
<sbalneav>
ogra: How did you manage to get the --base command line args in the scripts? Is there something I should be using other than getopts?
13:10
<ogra>
hmm, what do we use in ltsp-build-client ?
13:10
<shogunx>
so are you storing that squashfs in memory on the client?
13:11
<ogra>
no
13:11
<shogunx>
ohhh... i see how you did it. nice.
13:11
<ogra>
like a liveCD
13:12
in fact a lot of the initramfs code is stolen from the ubuntu liveCD scripts
13:12
<shogunx>
i've always felt that type of thing was the best way to program.
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<ogra>
Gadi, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/revision/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813180935-uuhrndu27oe8t19t?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813180935-uuhrndu27oe8t19t
13:14
Gadi, thanks a lot :)
13:14
<monteslu>
ogra, got a sec?
13:14
I'm a little confused about the dhcp server on edubuntu
13:14
there's two confs
13:14
and the services control gui only seems to be pointed at the non-ltsp one
13:16
<ogra>
monteslu, the services gui will only run the initscripts of the server to start or stop
13:16
the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file always overrides the shipped dhcpd config
13:16
<monteslu>
so was the init script modified?
13:17
<ogra>
take a look :)
13:17
<monteslu>
will do, thanks much
13:19
it was :)
13:19
now, on to load balancing
13:20
I'm gonna just try and have half of the machines connect to the second ltsp server
13:21
<shogunx>
the reason SCREEN_7 = startx will not do localdev is an environment variable passed via ssh, correct?
13:22
one that does not exist with a plain old xdmcp session?
13:22
<ogra>
shogunx, nope, its an intercommunication of several scripts
13:22
<sbalneav>
when you plug in a localdevice, the ltspfs mount command happens over the ssh tunnel.
13:22
<shogunx>
ok, thats in udev then, right?
13:22
<ogra>
right, the ssh socket the scripts talk through to each other doesnt exists in xdmc sessions
13:22
*xdmcp
13:22
<sbalneav>
right. If you don't have an ssh tunnel, then the mount won't happen.
13:26
<shogunx>
well, i guess i can have the sysop set .xession for new users, and make them deal with the delay on the greeter. seems cleaner than hacking away at several scripts in the long run, particularly when those scripts will likely get overwritten on a dist-upgrade
13:27
<ogra>
right, just use the ldm from sbalneav
13:27
<shogunx>
yep.
13:28
<Q-FUNK>
hoi!
13:28
<shogunx>
i'm likely going to have to hold these guys hands for a while anyway, and for sure when the dist-upgrade to gutsy happens.
13:28
<cliebow>
gutsy will rock!
13:28
<ogra>
it will
13:28
gutsy+1 will rock more
13:28
<shogunx>
i believe it.
13:28
<Q-FUNK>
so far, gutsy is scaring the hell out of me.
13:29
too many scary bugs happening with X and the kernel, in gutsy, so far.
13:29
<ogra>
whats scary about it ?
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13:30* ogra didnt see any scarier bugs with kernel or X than in other releases yet
13:30
<Q-FUNK>
kernel: droping features simply because the kernel and/or udev maintaienr don't like them, which leaves people in a bad situation when rebooting.
13:31
<ogra>
actually i dont think we ever had a better X
13:31
well, thats upstream, isnt it ?
13:31
<Q-FUNK>
X: kills the display after a few minutes. pressing any key or moving the mouse has no effect. the host is still running and can be ssh'ed into, but no X.
13:31
<ogra>
or what features do you mean ?
13:31
<shogunx>
any plans for the free branch of madwifi in gutsy? if any of you guys use it?
13:32
<Q-FUNK>
no, that's ubuntu deciding to not include the frame buffers, for instance.
13:32
<ogra>
huh ?
13:32
how do you think usplash works
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<Q-FUNK>
which, among other things, means that vga=xxx no longer works.
13:33
<cliebow>
hmm..getting dumoped to initramfs prompt...cat nbd-server
13:33
<ogra>
it does for me ... and i know the code for it is in initramfs i've seen it recently
13:33
<Q-FUNK>
sorry, no. several users have reported that it's borken.
13:34
<ogra>
hmm, weird
13:34
<cliebow>
borken..i like that
13:34
<ogra>
cliebow, any errors ?
13:34
<Q-FUNK>
if soemone has vga=xxx in the grub options, they end up with a blank screen.
13:34
<cliebow>
ohh same old..cant access job control..
13:35
<ogra>
cliebow, thats a symptom ... i want an error :)
13:36
Q-FUNK, well, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer has the code for it at least
13:36
vga defaults to vesafb ...
13:36
<Q-FUNK>
maybe, but grub options are ignored. they are expected to work.
13:36
<cliebow>
which init can i restart for inetd
13:37
<ogra>
openbsd-inetd
13:37
<BlackDark>
ogra with ltsp 5, is that a way to put a splash screen while the terminal is finishing the boot on nfs ?
13:37
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, well it uses
13:37
for x in $(cat /proc/cmdline); do
13:37
case ${x} in
13:37
vga=*)
13:37
<cliebow>
ahh yes..
13:37
<Q-FUNK>
the gutsy kernel is compiled with vesafb built-in, but bootloader options are ignored. all other fb are omited.
13:37
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, so i doubt it can be ignored if its in the kernel commandline
13:38
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: doubt it if you like. it's been confirmed by several users.
13:38
<ogra>
BlackDark, well, on ubuntu ltsp5 you should have a splash screen constantly until the login screen comes up
13:38
by default
13:38
<BlackDark>
umm I don't
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<mistik1>
uuoc
13:39
<BlackDark>
is it a kernel parameter for hte splash ?
13:40
<ogra>
BlackDark, make sure the words "splash" and "quiet" are in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
13:40
<cliebow>
i cant see anything in netstat implying nbd is running..
13:40
<ogra>
cliebow, is inetd running ?
13:41
and is nbd uncommented in /etc/inetd,conf ?
13:41
<BlackDark>
ogra, vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash acpi=force
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<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK: You got some bug numbers?
13:41
<ogra>
so you should have a bootsplash
13:41
<cliebow>
it says restarted..seems to b3e...port 2000
13:41
<ogra>
right
13:42
<cliebow>
amongst others
13:42
<ogra>
thats the default
13:42
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: for the kernel, yup. just a sec.
13:42
<BlackDark>
where is the bitmap file ?
13:42
is it stored in the initrd ?
13:42
<sbalneav>
What about the X one?
13:42
<ogra>
BlackDark, yes
13:43
BlackDark, and in the filesystem as well
13:43
<BlackDark>
note that I don;t have any with the server either
13:43
<ogra>
in $ROOT/usr/lib/usplash/
13:43
<BlackDark>
so I think it's linked
13:43
<ogra>
did you install on top of a commandline install ?
13:43
<Q-FUNK>
bug 120747
13:43
<ogra>
they default to no usplash
13:44
<BlackDark>
yes
13:46
<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK: Well, it's not working. I don't see any indication of him dropping vesafb. In fact, he confirms it's built in the kernel.
13:46
So it's just broken.
13:46
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: which is why the bug was retitled
13:47
sbalneav: vga=xxx work swith vanilla kernels so, whatever is causing this, it's ubuntu-specific.
13:47
<sbalneav>
Sure, but you said "droping features simply because the kernel and/or udev maintaienr don't like them, which leaves people in a bad situation when rebooting"
13:47
<ogra>
yeah
13:48
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: yes, which is how it was summarized to me on -devel
13:48
<sbalneav>
By who, collins?
13:48
<BlackDark>
ogra, the package usplash-theme-ubuntu was not installed, so no splash
13:48
<ogra>
indeed
13:48
ltsp-build-client checks whch desktop is installed and adds the artwork for usplash accordingly
13:49
<Q-FUNK>
matt garret, who tells me I should never use a frame buffer and the udev changelog, which shows a similar preference.
13:49
<ogra>
if you didnt have any desktop it wont install anything ...
13:49
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: in fact, recent udev blacklists all frame buffers.
13:51
<ogra>
ogra@laptop:~/devel/gutsy-ltsp$ grep frambuffer /usr/share/doc/udev/changelog.Debian.gz
13:51
ogra@laptop:~/devel/gutsy-ltsp$
13:51
no indication of that in the ubuntu changelog
13:51
<Q-FUNK>
/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
13:51
<ogra>
heh, well i shouldnt typo that
13:51
<Q-FUNK>
using soemthign that parses gziped files would help.
13:51
<ogra>
but it doesnt return anthing if its not typoed either :)
13:52
<Q-FUNK>
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer
13:52
<BlackDark>
thanks ogra
13:52
<ogra>
grep does that automatically ...
13:52
(like less)
13:53
Q-FUNK, thats from module-init-tools, has nothing to do with udev
13:53
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: same idea nonetheless.
13:54
<ogra>
well, understandable :)
13:54
you cant load two frambuffer modules at once ...
13:54
and vesa is in the kernel
13:54
<Q-FUNK>
you can, actually.
13:55
<ogra>
so having them is pointless
13:55
<Q-FUNK>
they end up called bf0 and fb1
13:55
fb0, even
13:55
<ogra>
well, you can manually load them still ...
13:55
the blacklist file just prevents the autoloading
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<cliebow>
ahhh much better on the laptop..now to check the other machine
14:03
<monteslu>
ogra, I'm using and smbldap server, so I can't follow your example for local devices. What is the name of the group that localdev users need?
14:03
<ogra>
fuse
14:03
<monteslu>
simple enough, thanks
14:03
<ogra>
make sure it matches the group # on the server machine
14:04
<monteslu>
hmm... I'll try to figure that one out :)
14:07
<ogra>
sbalneav, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8797655/ltsp-update-image.patch is scary
14:08
<sbalneav>
ogra: Those my changes?
14:09
<ogra>
nope
14:09
francis
14:09
from bug 127332
14:10
<sbalneav>
He's just modded some of my patches. He noted that I forgot the :'s after all three options.
14:11
I'm just looking into using the long options now, to be consistent
14:17
<ogra>
anyway
14:17* ogra calls it a day and moves over to the TV
14:18
<ogra>
night all
14:18
<Lumiere>
nini
14:21
<cliebow>
night ogra
14:25
<shogunx>
thanx ogra
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<monteslu>
anyone else using smbldap and local devices?
14:30
apparently I have a fuse group id #10002 on my smbldap server, but fuse group id #117 on the ltsp servers
14:31
don't know where I need to change it or how
14:48
<sbalneav>
out for a bit, be back later
14:48
<monteslu>
dude
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<monteslu>
well, I'll catch up with you later
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<monteslu>
need help on local device stuff
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<sbalneav>
back
15:05
monteslu:
15:05
What's up?
15:07
monteslu: hello?
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<timma_>
is the Thin Client Manager available for 4.2?
15:22
<sbalneav>
timma_: no
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<monteslu>
sbalneav, I'm tring to get local devices working. Have you done this with smbldap ?
15:52
<sbalneav>
I've had samba and ltspfs working together, yes.
15:52
What is it exactly you're trying to do?
15:54
<monteslu>
trying to use local devices work while having each of my ltsp servers connect to an smbldap server
15:55
everything else is working except that the group IDs for fuse
15:55
are different
15:56
<sbalneav>
Well, you'll have to make them the same
15:57
<monteslu>
yeah, not sure how :)
15:57
might be a question for moquist
15:57
using his smbldap installer
15:57
why not just make it available to all users?
16:00
<sbalneav>
Just add all your users to the fuse group on the local box.
16:01
Either that, or just make fuse world read-write, if you want everybody to have localdev access
16:01
in /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules
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<monteslu>
I like the second option
16:02
i don't have any local users
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<monteslu>
so I just delete the group parameter?
16:04
<sbalneav>
no
16:05
add:
16:05
, MODE="666"
16:05
on to the end of the rule
16:05
<monteslu>
ooh, ok
16:05
thanks
16:05
<sbalneav>
you'll have to restart udev
16:05
<monteslu>
cool
16:06
<sbalneav>
and unload and load the fuse module.
16:06
<monteslu>
i'll just bounce the whole box, users arent on it until tomorrow :)
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<monteslu>
mode 666 and still no good. I'm gonna give screen02 a shell
16:30
hoping to at least see something locally happen in /dev after plugging in thumb drive
16:31
sure enough, I get a /dev/sda1 after pluggin it in
16:32
but adding that screen02, hosed my ldm
16:32
gotta remove it, i guess
16:32
btw, why is lts.conf so empty on edubuntu?
16:33
<sbalneav>
Because lots of stuff is automatic
16:33
where did you change the fuse rules? In the chroot?
16:34
off to take my kids swimming
16:35
<vagrantc>
well, first try with ltsp 5.0.22 on debian was abysmal
16:36
it boots up to a blinking cursor
16:36
maybe i can turn off the x configuration stuff or something
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<monteslu>
sbalneav, not in chroot
16:45
just on the server
16:51* vagrantc mutters a bit more
16:54* monteslu mutters about biting of more than he could chew switching a 2 server install from ltsp4 to 5
17:14
<monteslu>
is there more group related issues with udev and printers on thin clients?
17:15* monteslu mutters about security being great, but this is really difficult
17:42
<monteslu>
XDM_SERVER does nothing
17:42
i try pointing it at my second server for certain workstations and they ignore it
17:42
this is beyond frustrating
17:44
<vagrantc>
are they using XDMCP ?
17:45
ogra: something in that x_configure script hangs on debian indefinitely ...
17:46
<monteslu>
actually, I went back to ldm because the docs said that only ldm will do sound and local devices
17:46
is it not possible for SERVER to point to a different ltsp server for particular workstations?
17:47
or is there some other well documented form of load-balancing two ltsp servers?
17:59
<whiprush_>
I'm not aware of any load balancing at all
18:01
<monteslu>
yeah, it's all hacks right now I think
18:02
but I got 70 terminals and 2 servers, gotta do something
18:02
oh, and lts.conf apparently needs MAC addresses or IPs, host names dont seem to work anymore
18:03
<whiprush_>
currently I "load balance" by changing dhcp settings per client, kind of crappy, but it works
18:03
only had to set them once
18:08
<monteslu>
you mean like specifying by MAC?
18:09
<whiprush_>
yeah
18:09
I have ranges for each room of labs
18:09
<monteslu>
the thing I havent figured out is how to have two dhcp servers, and have some clients on each, but leave a range open for non-thin clients
18:12
<whiprush_>
vlans?
18:12
home come you have 2 dhcp servers?
18:18
<monteslu>
I only have one active
18:18
i have 2 edubuntu servers
18:19
trying to load balance by specifying which server for the thin client to connect to via ldm, but it's not working
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<sbalneav>
monteslu: should work, is your network flat?
18:27
i.e. all terminals, and servers on the same segment?
18:30
<monteslu>
yup
18:30
but I've tried XDM_SERVER, and SERVER and nothing seems to work
18:30
they always want to connect to ltsp1
18:31
<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf?
18:31
to the pastebot?
18:31
<monteslu>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
monteslu: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<monteslu>
yeah, one sec
18:31
<sbalneav>
XDM_SERVER won't work for ldm
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<ltsppbot>
"monteslu" pasted "lts.conf" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/272
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<sbalneav>
Well, you don't need the "like=default" every time.
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<monteslu>
figured, but i had it in my ltsp 4 version
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did host names quit working, btw ?
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<sbalneav>
ok, on .67, what happens when you do a "getltscfg -a" on the shell?
18:34
no, they work
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<monteslu>
getlstcfg returns everything I have in lts.conf
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shell is on the thin client right? because its showing root@ltsp1 on the prompt
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<sbalneav>
correct.
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<monteslu>
my 2 servers are named ltsp1 & ltsp2
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<sbalneav>
What does it say for the SERVER variable?
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<monteslu>
192.168.0.21 which is the ip of ltsp2
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192.168.0.20 is ltsp1
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<sbalneav>
And you're saying that workstation doesnt connect to that server?
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<monteslu>
exactly
18:38
its only connecting to ltsp1
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i don't have a dchp server running on ltsp2
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<sbalneav>
ok, change SERVER to LDM_SERVER
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try that
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<monteslu>
cool. will do
18:41
these things take a little longer to boot than they did on ltsp4
18:42
still on ltsp1
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<sbalneav>
so you logged in, and your on ltsp1?
18:43
<monteslu>
oh, didn't try logging in :)... just noticed ltsp1 from the login screen
18:43
<sbalneav>
Well, it's serving the chroot from ltsp1
18:43
since, thats where it's dhcpd is.
18:43
try logging in.
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<monteslu>
wont let me log in
18:44
just kicks me back out to the log in prompt
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<sbalneav>
have you added ltsp2's ssh host keys to the chroot on ltsp1?
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<monteslu>
nope
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<sbalneav>
That would be a problem.
18:45
You'll need to do that.
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<monteslu>
no idea how
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in /opt/ltsp ?
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<sbalneav>
on ltsp2
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what do you have in /etc/ssh?
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<monteslu>
several things: moduli ssh_config sshd_config ssh_host_dsa_key ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
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<sbalneav>
do you have a chroot on ltsp2?
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<monteslu>
think so, it's the edubuntu server install
18:48
/opt/ltsp/i386 is there
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<sbalneav>
ok, on ltsp2
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do a sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<monteslu>
done
18:49
<sbalneav>
then look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh on ltsp2
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there a ssh_known_hosts file there?
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<monteslu>
yup
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<sbalneav>
ok, copy that file to /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.extra on ltsp1
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<monteslu>
done
18:52
<sbalneav>
then, do an ltsp-update-sshkeys on ltsp1
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then reboot the terminal
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you should be able to log in
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<monteslu>
awesome, rebooting now
18:55
something's still wrong
18:56
<sbalneav>
In #edubuntu
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<monteslu>
sshd need to restart?
18:56
<sbalneav>
no
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are you in the shell?
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<monteslu>
i can be
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in
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<sbalneav>
do an ssh -l <some username> 192.168.0.21
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does it ask you if you're sure you want to connect?
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<monteslu>
yeah, didn't know the host
18:58
if I say yes, I can connect
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<sbalneav>
ok, then something didnt work right from tansferring the ssh keys.
18:58
<monteslu>
but I think that drops something into .ssh/known_hosts right?
18:59
<sbalneav>
no
18:59
can you copy the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts on ltsp1 to the pastebot please?
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<lns>
Hey has anyone used any integrated LCD thin clients with LTSP?
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<ltsppbot>
"monteslu" pasted "known_hosts" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/273
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<monteslu>
yeah nothing about ltsp2
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<sbalneav>
that would be a problem.
19:01
ok, then tack the contents of /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.extra on to the end of ssh_known_hosts on ltsp1
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<monteslu>
you mean just edit the file?
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<sbalneav>
yup
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really, that's all ltsp-update-sshkeys does.
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<monteslu>
strange, ltsp2's file doesn't have the correct IP address
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<monteslu>
maybe it was built before the address was statically assigned?
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ltsp-update-sshkeys didn't change the IP
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I'll try it anyway
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<kaos01>
hi, is the xserver getting updated anytime soon ?
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<sbalneav>
Which version of ltsp?
19:07
kaos01: Which version of ltsp are you referring to?
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<kaos01>
well im using 4.2
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<sbalneav>
Most new development of ltsp is taking place in ltsp5
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<kaos01>
yes but ltsp5, is not stable for fedora
19:08
<sbalneav>
Yep, that's true
19:08
<monteslu>
kaos01, I'm currently switching to edubuntu from fedora. Some learning curve, but its not that bad
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<kaos01>
and we are faced with the problem that the Xservers are getting to out of date
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so we are thinking of moving away from LTSP for a while
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<monteslu>
sbalneav, that didn't fix it. But I'm gonna try and change the ip to 192.168.0.21 for the ltsp2 section
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<sbalneav>
monteslu: hold on a sec
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you've got two files on ltsp2 in the /etc/ssh directory
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<monteslu>
three files actually : moduli ssh_config ssh_known_hosts
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<sbalneav>
in /etc/ssh?
19:11
<monteslu>
nope /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh
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<sbalneav>
Did I say that? :)
19:11
the .pub files
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<monteslu>
ooh, no .pub files in there
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ok, I've confused myself
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<sbalneav>
no pub files in /etc/ssh on ltsp2?
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<monteslu>
sorry, there is some in /etc/ssh
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ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
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<sbalneav>
have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh on ltsp2
19:13
are those same keys in there?
19:13
in the ssh_known_hosts file?
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kaos01: Well, don't know what to tell you. We could always use people who'd be willing to work on the Fedora port.
19:15
most work's happening in Ubuntu and Debian right now.
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<monteslu>
sbalneav, yeah looks like they are
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<sbalneav>
are the names and ip addreses right in that file?
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<monteslu>
those .pub files dont have names or IPs
19:17
wait, the end says root@ltsp1
19:17
of each
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<sbalneav>
no, not the pub files
19:18
are the names and ip addresses right in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts file on ltsp2?
19:18
as well as the keys from the pub file.
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<monteslu>
the IPs were wrong
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<sbalneav>
Did you do an ltsp-update-sshkeys on ltsp2, like I said?
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<monteslu>
yep
19:21
but it didn't change the IP in the file to the new IP
19:21
it does show the correct keys though
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<sbalneav>
Humour me and so a sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys again on ltsp2
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<monteslu>
no prob
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<sbalneav>
now check the ip's
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<monteslu>
still got the old ones
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bug?
19:24
<sbalneav>
on ltsp2
19:24
ip -o addr show
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<monteslu>
shows the new IP
19:25
192.168.0.21
19:25
nothing about the old dhcp one that's in the known_hosts
19:25
<sbalneav>
Is this host accessible from the internet?
19:26
can you create me an account?
19:26
<monteslu>
i can do a forward, one sec
19:27
<sbalneav>
create me an account, and add me to the admin group
19:28
Either you're doing something seriously wrong, or there's something seriously wrong with ltsp-update-sshkeys.
19:28
One or the other of us will owe the other one a beer. :)
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<monteslu>
sbalneav is the man. Just in case any of you didn't know that yet.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: finally got ldm2 working on debian :)
20:09
had to unbreak all the changes to x configuration ... well, work around them ... will unbreak them sometime later
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<sbalneav>
hm
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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<sbalneav>
hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey
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<rjune>
jammcq !
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<jammcq>
rjune !
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<rjune>
how goes it
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<jammcq>
goes good
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<rjune>
glad to hear it
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<jammcq>
rjune: there's an open-source in education conf in Indiana sometime in october
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<rjune>
Yeah I know, Mike Huffman is putting it on
22:21
You gonna be there?
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<jammcq>
i'm thinking about it
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<rjune>
Down in Indy IIRC
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If you do, planning on driving?
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<jammcq>
certainly
22:22
way to close to fly
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<rjune>
at the very least you should stop by where I work.
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<jammcq>
it's like a 4-1/2 hour drive for me
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where is that?
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<rjune>
yeah, I know, and I'm just about right on the way
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Plymouth, IN
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<jammcq>
yer along I-65, aren't you?
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<rjune>
no
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<jammcq>
did you move?
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<rjune>
I'm about an hour from I65
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nope.
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I'm close, but not right on
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<jammcq>
I come done I-69, how far is that from you?
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<rjune>
about 90 minutes from plymouth
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<jammcq>
yeah, not exactly on the way
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<rjune>
mostly west of I69
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I would expect you to take I75 south to I70 West
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<jammcq>
no, that's way out of the way
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<rjune>
ok then
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<jammcq>
I take I-96 west to I-69, then down a diagonal to Indy
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<rjune>
yeah, that's what google maps says
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though it claims 5 hours
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A guy I work with is a pilot, I may have to see if he wants to fly to ft wayne for lunch on that day
22:29
<jammcq>
I might be coming real late at night. we have a user group meeting on tuesday night that I don't want to miss
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<rjune>
CINLug?
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<jammcq>
MUG
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<rjune>
oh, up near you
22:32
ah well.
22:32
I'll see if I can get out of work for it, I'm pretty sure I can get in
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<jammcq>
i'm not even certain that I'm going
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<rjune>
let me know if you do
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<jammcq>
sure
22:34
<rjune>
did you hear? I got a car.
22:34
<jammcq>
I did
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how is it?
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<rjune>
hopefully one day it'll run
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:-D
22:35
did you see the pics?
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<jammcq>
nope
22:35
url?
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<rjune>
http://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/bmw
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<jammcq>
ah, the Ultimate driving machine
22:38
<rjune>
right now it's the ultimate dust gathering machine
22:39
I'm about beat. two days of solid work cleaning the garage to pull it in. another 8 hours fixing the lawnmower and mowing the yard so I coud push it into the garage.
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tomorrow I'll pull off the hood, then I can start tearing it down.
22:40
cars do not push well on grass
22:47
I trust your daughter is doing well in school?
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<jammcq>
yeah, she's just about to start her final year
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<rjune>
cool
22:58
she stick with her original major? or did she go for the 5 year plan?
22:58
<jammcq>
original major (biology) and she's on track to complete it in a 4-year plan
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<sbalneav>
rjune: Why isn't it running?
23:03
<rjune>
sbalneav: it was run for an unkown period of time with ~ 3 qt oil when it needs 5
23:03
jammcq: cool
23:03
<sbalneav>
Wow, must have been a steal.
23:03
<rjune>
sbalneav: last I heard it run, it had a knock. I'm hoping this is something which is repairable
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$0 CA
23:05
<sbalneav>
Free's always a deal.
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<rjune>
yup
23:07
and I know a number of parts are brand new
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well, it's 2300, and that's naptime here.
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I'll talk to y'all tomorrow
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or some other time.
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<whiprush_>
moquist: hey, did you need some winbind help the other day?
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<sbalneav>
Hey whiprush_
23:32
<whiprush_>
hi scotty
23:32
what a coincidence
23:32
watching my Roger Waters DVD
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and he's doing the solo stuff and I'm like "Man, only Scotty likes this shit ..."
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<sbalneav>
You got a dvd?
23:34
There a concert dvd?
23:34
<whiprush_>
yeah, live in the flesh?
23:34
yeah
23:34
from 2 tours ago
23:34
<sbalneav>
Oh, not this tour
23:35
I want THIS tour :)
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<whiprush_>
oh and dude, I got my new ltsp -dev server
23:35
yeah, me too
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<sbalneav>
cool
23:35
<whiprush_>
sbalneav: dual quads, 9x136gb disks, 32gb of ram
23:35
all on gutsy
23:35
surely I can help ollie
23:39
sbalneav: dl380's ... going for about 12 grand US.
23:39
sbalneav: pure hp proliant hotness
23:39
<sbalneav>
Yeah, we went with ibm's
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<whiprush_>
even when I bought these I bitched
23:40
I bought 4
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<sbalneav>
dual quads, but only dual Serial scsi, and 5 gigs of ram.
23:40
<whiprush_>
I was like "Awesome, I am spending 50 grand, and you guys won't give me an intel i965 thin client."
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<sbalneav>
what do they call that......
23:40
SAS
23:40
that's it.
23:40
<whiprush_>
yeah
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that's what we got, SAS drives
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2.5 inch too
23:41
very hot
23:41
hot as in "awesome" I mean
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<sbalneav>
ssssssSASsy
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<whiprush_>
sbalneav: you should have been to UL.
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at the bar, there were intel people
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and like, I was totally whining about the lack of an i965 thin client
23:44
you know how annoying I can get when drunk
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<tulga>
hello ogra, hello sbalneav
23:57
<sbalneav>
hello
23:57
<tulga>
do you know other channel about thinclient computing?