IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 31 October 2012   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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13:03
<sandeep>
All, I have stumbled on a opportunity to build LTSP cluster for a college, for 100 concurrent users. Could you please recommend the hardware specs ? Thank you!
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14:42
<mikec>
would anyone happen to know why, when i do an "apt-get remove compiz" it also removes ubuntu-desktop? I tried adding ubuntu-desktop back, but it will also bring back compiz
14:42
now its getting more odd, since i'm trying to install ubuntu-desktop (and thus get my ubuntu-2d environment) it never shows up in my sessions options in ldm
14:42
only shows my failsafe mode
14:42
so when I log in im getting just the blank desktop screen
14:43
usually when i "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" I can then see Ubuntu 2D as an option, but thats no longer happening
14:44
actually the command I ran was apt-get install remove --purge compiz
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15:04
<highvoltage>
mikec: ubuntu-desktop depends on unity which depends on compiz
15:05
mikec: ubuntu-2d was removed in 12.10, so it's just an empty package there
15:06
<andygraybeal>
do i need to worry about network-manager in ubuntu 12.04 desktop?
15:06
if i do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
15:07
<mikec>
so what should I be installing in order to get a working desktop environment? I would like it to automatically load that environment when users log in.
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15:37
<sbalneav>
mikec: well, that's a problem these days.
15:37
I'm facing it at work myself.
15:37
Currently, I'm helping out over in #mate, on the Mate desktop.
15:38
http://mate-desktop.org/
15:38
which is basically a re-invigoration of the older gnome-2 desktop.
15:38
Which should work fine with LTSP.
15:39
There are packages for quantal
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15:40
<gvy>
sbalneav, yay, glad to know you're there ;-)
15:40
next mainstream altlinux release will ship with mate as the main desktop, btw
15:50
<||cw>
interesting. can the apps be used on their own? I do miss the old Nautilus
15:51
the rest I'm not sure why they forked, especially terminal
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: how much future does a gtk2-based DE have? Are there any plans for a future gtk3 port?
16:14* alkisg would rather see mate developers help out with gnome-fallback in gnome3...
16:15
<andygraybeal>
alkisg, are you using fallback or unity?
16:15
or both?
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<alkisg>
andygraybeal: fallback, I couldn't get used to unity, and it doesn't work with thin clients anyway
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We even made a custom CD for Greek schools with fallback preinstalled + preselected
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<andygraybeal>
ah why doesn't it work with thin clients? (i got it to work with thin client in my test environment)
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16:16
<alkisg>
You probably got unity-2d working
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<andygraybeal>
ah yes, unity-23
16:16
err 2d
16:16
<alkisg>
...which was dropped from 12.10 on
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<andygraybeal>
oMG crap.
16:16
okay
16:17
thank you for letting me know. i didn't mind unity 2d.
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<alkisg>
If unity-2d was to get wide support I wouldn't mind trying harder to get used to it
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But now that it's being dropped, and with unity-3d not running on thin clients or older hardware or nouveau based hardware etc etc.... it's not worth it
16:19
<andygraybeal>
alkisg, okay good. thank you.
16:19
<alkisg>
And with gnome-fallback also going away in the future, we'll probably switch to LXDE for 14.04
16:19
<sbalneav>
alkisg: How much future does *anything* have? :) As much as people are willing to put work into it, I suppose. IceWM's still around and kicking. Ubuntu barely supported unity-2d for 2 years before they dropped it.
16:19
<andygraybeal>
ah lxde ... my users will love me.
16:20
i'll follow whatever you guys do. that's all that matters to me.
16:20
<sbalneav>
Cool, we have a minion! :)
16:20
<alkisg>
:)
16:20
<andygraybeal>
:)
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<sbalneav>
I can dress up like the penguin, and andygraybeal can wear the outfit that says "henchman", and we can take on batman!
16:21
<andygraybeal>
nice, i am very good at using a scythe.
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i take care of 3 acres of field with it.
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i've always been fond of killing people with it if you need my services.
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<alkisg>
It's halloween there now, right? /me would love to see sbalneav in a penguin suit :D
16:22
<sbalneav>
http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/284/
16:22
nanananananananana BATMAN!
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BATMAN BATMAN BATMAN!
16:23
*biff*
16:23
*pow*
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<andygraybeal>
what is the command to install ubuntu-desktop-fallback without network-manager?
16:23
<sbalneav>
*zowie*
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<andygraybeal>
aah.. can i install 'gnome-session-fallback' without installing 'ubuntu-desktop' meta package first?
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i should just try it.
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<andygraybeal>
i need to setup dyndns for home.
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<andygraybeal>
i will do whatever you guys do, but i can't imagine using ldxe :)
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but i will do it if you move that way.
16:35
<alkisg>
andygraybeal: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxNzg
16:35
Ubuntu Developers Realize Need For Non-3D Desktop
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Rather than maintaining Unity 2D or some other desktop, some developers during the UDS session basically decided to just use Lubuntu, the LXDE version of Ubuntu.
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<andygraybeal>
interesting.
16:36
i'm not saying your making a bad decision, i hope you don't think that... i/m saying that i need to get used to LXDE :)
16:36
i will read the article now
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<alkisg>
As long as there's support for non 3d desktops in gnome, I'll stick to gnome too, but since they're dropping unity-2d and gnome-fallback, I don't see any alternatives...
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Cinnamon also requires 3d, and I'm not sure if mate will be supported longer than unity-2d did
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<gvy>
alkisg, just in case there's also razor-qt
16:45
<alkisg>
gvy: but are there any good non-KDE apps for Qt? Or does it require pulling all the KDE libs in the end, which in turn pull 600 Mb on each login etc?
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(recent KDE versions behave very bad with ltsp)
16:46
I think since nokia dropped qt, the developers are switching away from it...
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<andygraybeal>
maybe we all should all move to debian?
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<alkisg>
Those are upstream decisions, the distro doesn't matter
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<andygraybeal>
okay, i don't undrestand what you said. i was thinking aloud i guess. especially with this 12.10 sends 'search information' to advertisers?
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<andygraybeal>
back
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accidentally closed
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19:28
<mikec>
so if im still running Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (precise), i should be able to still run ubuntu-2d right? After I install ubuntu-desktop, I still don't get anything in my sessions drop down menu on the ldm login screen. all i get is the failsafe or default.
19:28
i guess im just really confused as to the point of any of this when there is no good desktop
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19:32
<mikec>
trying xubuntu right now
19:42
installed xubuntu, booted the thin-client, and still no other option listed in the Sessions pull down menu
19:42
what do I have to do to get this thing to refresh?
19:43
<vagrantc>
installed on the server?
19:43
<mikec>
on the app server yes
19:43
didn't have this issue a few weeks ago
19:43
seems like no matter what i install/remove for desktop managers, this little pull down menu doesn't update anymore
19:44
<vagrantc>
on the server, does /usr/sbin/ldminfod return the appropriate sessions?
19:45
<mikec>
yes
19:45
neat, havent' heard of that little command before
19:45
but still makes me stumped
19:45
<vagrantc>
in your chroot, do you have /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop files?
19:46
the presence of those might trigger it to think it's a fat client.
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<mikec>
checking...
19:47
<vagrantc>
you should be able to force thin-client behavior with LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in lts.conf
19:48
yay. ltsp and ldm were accepted into backports.debian.org ...
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so now you should be able to use the newer LTSP on the current stable version of debian...
19:49* vagrantc will write up some docs soonish
19:50
<mikec>
there is no xsessions directory first of all, in chroot's /usr/share
19:50
<vagrantc>
ok... hmmm.
19:50
<mikec>
i wonder how that could be
19:50
<vagrantc>
that's fine.
19:50
sorry, i have to head out ... hopefully someone else can step in to help
19:51
<mikec>
thanks vagrant
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