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04:40
<alkisg>
Ryan52: see the last comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/474392
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11:40
<gdi2k>
hi all, I used to have the dnsmasq method working, as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP - but now IPAPPEND 3 does not seem to be working anymore; it does the DHCP request during boot and nbd root fails as it tries to mount from the wrong machine. Any ideas why it would stop working? maybe I bodged a config file somewhere?
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12:46
<hboomsma>
Hi guys, I am running a fresh install of ubuntu 13.10 and 14.04 amd64 with fat client images. Both have the problem that the unity-panel-service is not running after login. Did anyone of you encounter similar problems or have a solution or workaround?
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15:50
<gbaman>
vagrantc: I made an interesting discovery, in my tests yesterday I had forgotten to have the LTSP clients overclocked
15:50
I had thought I had it in the normal config files that come with raspi-ltsp
15:50
but apparently not
15:51
so reran the tests again this morning
15:51
13.5 seconds to load libreoffice with LTSP (and NBD)
15:51
15 seconds to load from SD card..
15:53
<vagrantc>
so a little better performance, eh?
15:53
<gbaman>
yea :)
15:53
it is faster than SD card booting of standard Raspbian..
15:54
well, not booting (seeing as we use initrd etc)
15:54
but for loading big applications..
15:54
<vagrantc>
nice.
15:54
loading off network or off of SD?
15:54
ah, NBD
15:55
<gbaman>
yea, network
15:55
LTSP (NBD) 13.5 seconds
15:55
Raspbian (SD card) 15 seconds
15:56
now of course, that is only 1 client
15:56
<vagrantc>
yeah, if the bottleneck is your server's network or a switch, it'll degrade with many clients
15:57
<gbaman>
I am now going to be working with the assumption that a server with a gigabit port and a gigabit switch is used
15:57
<vagrantc>
or your server's i/o ... although hopefully your servers are able to cache the image file in ram ... it's only a few hundred MB image?
15:57
<gbaman>
1.6gb?
15:58
<vagrantc>
the NBD image?
15:58
<gbaman>
4gb non compressed :)
15:58
1.6gb NBD
15:58
<vagrantc>
still feasible to cache most of the used parts...
15:58
<gbaman>
am guessing that isnt done by default
15:58
<vagrantc>
it doesn't actually use the full 1.6GB when booting, typically
15:58
<gbaman>
right
15:59
<vagrantc>
most linux filesystems since the 90s do some form of disk caching
15:59
er, kernel
15:59
<gvy>
:-)
15:59
<gbaman>
so shouldnt need to do anything?
16:00
<vagrantc>
nope
16:00
how much ram in the servers?
16:00
<gbaman>
we wont know
16:00
<vagrantc>
at least 2GB?
16:00
<gbaman>
oh year
16:00
*yea
16:01
most will be dedicated old desktop machines
16:01
<vagrantc>
homedirs on the server will get caching too
16:01
<gbaman>
which 95% of will have more than 2gb of ram
16:01
or 2gb
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<gvy>
well class 10 sd card is still somewhat slower than full blown 100Mbps
16:02
even if it's actually what it claims to be
16:02
<gbaman>
we got 26mb off one of my test cards yesterday gvy
16:02
megabytes
16:02
<gvy>
wow
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sd i/o is one of the outstanding worst parts of my arm experience so far
16:03
<gbaman>
well, alkisg was assuming hdparm returns megabytes instead of mbits
16:03
he didnt sound too sure
16:03
<gvy>
it does
16:03
<gbaman>
then there you go
16:04
26 megabytes a second sd card
16:04
and that wasnt a flashy expensive one
16:04
<gvy>
would be interesting to know model
16:04
<gbaman>
was class 10 though
16:04
<gvy>
good to hear :-)
16:05
<gbaman>
but difference being stuff on SD card isnt compresssed
16:05
<gvy>
ah!! all the ubuntu folks, happy release to you :)
16:05
<gbaman>
you are 12 hours late gvy :)
16:06
better late than never :)
16:06
*Goes to check if his Ubuntu 12.04 box is done yet
16:06
nope :)
16:06
did only start it an hour or 2 ago though
16:06
<gvy>
I was sleeping and wouldn't bother to wake up and check the mirror I happen to host at ftp.linux.kiev.ua :)
16:07
<gbaman>
:)
16:08
vagrantc: was surprised how easy NBD was to add for Pis in the end
16:09
it literally is just ltsp-update-image --config-nbd /opt/ltsp/armhf
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and a new cmdline.txt file
16:09
and is sooo simple to switch back to NFS, just a switch of cmdline.txt file
16:10
nothing needed on serverside
16:10
so it is now already in RaspberryPi-LTSP https://github.com/gbaman/RaspberryPi-LTSP/commit/35ace9eb8fb0b9075d3253d9d4fef4bc6a65216a
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<vagrantc>
i spent a lot of time making it easy to switch back and forth between NFS/NBD for debian wheezy.
16:15
it could be better, but it used to require lots of configuration file changes
16:15
<gbaman>
:)
16:16
<vagrantc>
gbaman: you should be able to replace most of the stuff in /boot with packages from raspbian now
16:16
in your github
16:16
<gbaman>
oh?
16:17
wait, where did we get it before?
16:17
where did I get the version on my github again?
16:17
thought it was from the boot folder from inside armhf LTSP build?
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<vagrantc>
you probably grabbed it off of some random image off the internets
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<gbaman>
Dont forget I have made changes to the initrd
16:18
have a custom script in the scripts folder in there
16:19
<gvy>
vagrantc, that's usually good ol' trusty random image, yes
16:19
<gbaman>
that offers a very basic boot menu
16:19
<vagrantc>
gbaman: so put your custom script into the image, not in boot
16:20
<gbaman>
it needs to run before the main OS
16:20
has to work if there is no LTSP server
16:20
allows uses to switch to a normal Raspbian on the SD card
16:20
*user
16:20
<vagrantc>
but the initrd is generated by ltsp-build-client, even if you modify it later ... so instead, generate it right the first time and drop it from your github repository :P
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<gbaman>
?
16:21
hmm
16:21
I guess I could script it...
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so that only my script is sitting on the github
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(and the cmdline.txt files)
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so you suggesting that i include in my script a bit to open the initrd generated by LTSP, place my bit in and hand to user?
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<vagrantc>
shipping binaries in a git repository is ugly nastly awful :P
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so don't do it unless there's no other way
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<gbaman>
:)
16:25
true, but we still do have the kernel version stuck in the script which we then hand to ltsp-build-client
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"KERNEL_PACKAGES=linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi"
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so using its version and using the one on my github wont make any difference
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unless I modify it in the script, and everytime I do that, I also upload the most recent one
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isnt a good solution I agree though
16:29
i am in process of starting from scratch with a Debian server
16:29
reinstalled everything
16:29
forgot how dam long it takes to build this pi image!
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the Raspberry Pi foundation add so much software (that I am also adding)
16:30
<vagrantc>
so, rather than having a bunch of stuff hard-coded in your github repo, just grab the appropriate stuff at build time
16:31
<gbaman>
if I just left it blank in the build config file?
16:31
well, ignored kernel?
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<vagrantc>
have your script create the appropriate config file
16:32
you could even make it an ltsp-build-client plugin
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<gbaman>
still dont know though were to get the current kernel version from though?
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<vagrantc>
there's a raspbian package with an unversioned dependency...
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linux-image-rpi and linux-image-rpi-somethingorother
16:33
<gbaman>
..
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.
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<vagrantc>
it just pulls in the appropriate 3.2.x or 3.x.x kernel
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<gbaman>
..
16:33
<vagrantc>
apt-cache show linux-image-ri
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er, linux-image-rpi
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<gbaman>
ok
16:34
that is too easy :)
16:34
liking that
16:35
ok, so script that in, then once it finishes building, unzip the initrd, grab my script off github and insert, zip back up, then just copy armhf/boot
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and then drop in on top my config.txt file and custom cmdline.txt files
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<vagrantc>
and, perhaps against my better judgement, i'd like to integrate raspbian support into ltsp upstream
16:38
much like we did with linuxmint
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<gbaman>
ooo
16:43
meaning then we wouldnt need that custom config file?
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<vagrantc>
https://bugs.debian.org/741143
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not sure exactly what it'll take... but in theory, the plugin could create the config file...
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<gbaman>
plugwash!
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:)
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<gbaman>
he is well known in pi community
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<vagrantc>
he's one of the founders, yes.
16:48
founders of raspbian, that is
16:49
<gbaman>
yea
16:49
I knew the name was more than usually familiar for a pi community member
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<vagrantc>
gbaman: why does your script install ldm-server? aren't they configured as fat clients?
17:00
gbaman: EnableNBDswap could be replaced with "ltsp-config nbd-server", i think.
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<gbaman>
back
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hmm
17:12
there was was something not working about ltsp-config and nbd..
17:14* vagrantc would like bug reports when things are broken :P
17:17
<gbaman>
hahaha
17:17
yea
17:18
need to find a virutal that I havent enabled nbd on yet!
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*virtual
17:20* vagrantc always has schroot handy for that sort of thing
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<vagrantc>
throw-away clean chroots
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<gbaman>
..
17:20
that might have been a smart idea
17:20
instead of reinstalling debian every time..
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<vagrantc>
for some tests
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<gbaman>
btw vagrantc, did you see Raspi-ltsp has a nice new login screen?
17:21
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1122948/temp/Starspi.jpg
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<vagrantc>
never used any of it, just browsed the code
17:21
but nice :)
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<gbaman>
think I mentioned it the other night, might have only been alksig around
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it is actually starting to shape into something actually usable
17:22
even if it is a bit rough around the edges
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ok, time to test, have started from scratch
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a completely fresh Debian wheezy install
17:24
have a funny feeling something wont work
17:25
booting...
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login screen :)
17:26
client successfully logged in
17:28
oops
17:28
forgot, does not by default include libreoffice
17:28
wonder should i..
17:31
next thing, replacing default desktop background..
17:45
right vagrantc, here is a weird one for you...
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17:46
<gbaman>
so everything works nicely for the LTSP booted OS
17:46
but remember I added a mini boot menu
17:46
that allowed the user to boot off the SD card
17:46
well, that works nicely..
17:46
except for one minor issue...
17:46
the mouse does not work.....
17:47
I started LXDE as usual and it is ignoring all mouse input..
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the only difference here is we are booting it using the same kernel and initrd that we use for LTSP
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which shouldnt make a difference? but apparently does..
18:15
suggestions vagrantc?
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<vagrantc>
gbaman: probably because you're missing the kernel modules on the OS it'sbooted to
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<gbaman>
back
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ok, recommended method to fix?
19:08
just also distribute the normal kernel included with pi?
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<vagrantc>
install the kernel in the image
19:10
you need to have the kernel modules available for whatever kernel you're running... so install the same kernel in both places, whichever kernel works for you.
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<gbaman>
sigh
19:11
<vagrantc>
and when i say install the kernel, i mean kernel and all related files.
19:11
with a properly done package, that's as simple as "apt-get install linux-image-FOO"
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<gbaman>
and the initrd is specific to the kernel it is built with, right?
19:12
<vagrantc>
yes
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<gbaman>
fudge
19:12
sigh
19:12* vagrantc waves
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<gbaman>
that makes everything a bit more of a pain
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<||cw>
not only the initrd, but the modules in the root filesystsem too
19:31* gbaman reminds ||cw that gbaman is still very new to low level Linux booting processes
19:32
<gbaman>
ok ||cw, let me pose the scenario
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19:33
<gbaman>
I have a custom initrd built for LTSP, it basically adds a script that runs before main OS is loaded asking if user would like to switch to the local SD card and boot off it
19:33
I can't add this to the main LTSP OS as it must work without LTSP being available (BYOD)
19:33
*this script
19:34
I also want users to be able to switch to a local version of Raspbian installed on the SD card
19:34
(btw, with Pis, kernel, initrd etc are stored on boot partition of SD card, no PXE used)
19:35
the Raspbian OS I have no control over, nor do I have any control over what kernel it uses
19:35
it will be available though also on the boot partition
19:35
*its kernel and associated files
19:36
so I am stuck..
19:36
suggestions?
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<||cw>
well, the initrd is for the kernel, but the kernel has to have its support files in the root too, usually in /lib/modules/
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so if it works on one root, copy that kernels folder to the other roots too
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<||cw>
if you can't, then when booting they'll have to pick the kernel that they do have setup on their root
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<clarice>
Hi
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Hi is there anyone out there who have a good solution to acces a LTSP server remote, with vpn connection,,, im planning to installl LTSP on my office but i would like to acces the desktop from home from my laptop ?
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<Ryan52>
alkisg++ # That bug is exactly what I was looking for, and now that I know the problem, I might provide a patch at some point!
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<Zaphoid>
I'm having an issue on an Ubuntu 12.4.04 LTSP host with random NBD disconnects on an otherwise stable network. Wondering if anyone could point me in a direction to look at for troubleshooting.
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<rotorooter>
I'm working on building the cluster server. I'm following a tutorial and it tells me to "
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Now edit apache2.conf
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sudo pico /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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and add the following line at the end
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Include /etc/phppgadmin/apache.conf
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Then edit
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?
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1
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sudo pico /etc/phppgadmin/apache.conf
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and uncomment (remove the # sign) from the beginning of the line that says "Allow from all". Next comment (add the # at the beginning of the line) where it says "allow from 127.0.0.1". BUT THERE IS NO APACHE.CONF file? What should I do just ignore the section?
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