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Channel log from 19 December 2015   (all times are UTC)

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02:55
<raaj>
Hi team, am setting up a training center, I have 64 bit core i7 server with 8GB ram. my question can I have both 32bit and 64 bit thin clients? what is the minimum hardware requirement for the client.
02:58
am planning to get thin clients but not sure whether I can have different architectures of thin clients connected to the server. please help
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06:21
<xdrazen>
hi
06:21
alkisg good night
06:22
<alkisg>
Hi xdrazen
06:22
Did you solve the kernel failure issue?
06:22
<xdrazen>
alkisg, i got a issue in the afternoon... anything good happens
06:23
<alkisg>
What issue?
06:23
<xdrazen>
look with 96mb ram in the client it gets the same kernel panic than VM
06:23
with less than 70mb ram in that
06:23
<alkisg>
With 128 does it boot?
06:23
<xdrazen>
what happens is that my rams are kinda 32+32+16+16
06:24
<alkisg>
First lets see if you have this working fine, and the problem is only with your ram
06:24
<xdrazen>
when i tried to make 32*4 ipxe just stops
06:24
<alkisg>
So, try with another client or something else, with >=128 mb ram
06:24
Can you boot with e.g. ppro and 128 mb ram?
06:24
<xdrazen>
all those p pro gets the same issue
06:24
<alkisg>
What is your bigger ram in them?
06:24
Do you have a ppro with a lot of ram?
06:25
<xdrazen>
ipxe stops, anything happens
06:25
<alkisg>
Please answer the question
06:25
<xdrazen>
all the ppro has their 16+16+32+32
06:25
<alkisg>
OK can you put 32+32+32+32 in one of them?
06:25
<xdrazen>
i done it
06:26
<alkisg>
Does it boot?
06:26
<xdrazen>
i am with that one right now
06:26
ipxe is the issue then
06:26
i mean, ipxe begin to load
06:26
ask the ctrl+b and then stops
06:26
not even the light of the keyboard can work
06:26
<alkisg>
Maybe you put the ram wrong
06:27
Do you know how to run memtest?
06:27
<xdrazen>
i tried even 32+32+32+16 and the same issue
06:27
<alkisg>
ipxe doesn't have an issue with ram
06:27
it can run with even 16 mb ram
06:27
or less
06:27
so it sounds like a problem with your pc
06:27
Please answer the question
06:28
<xdrazen>
exactly
06:28
<alkisg>
(08:27:00 πμ) alkisg: Do you know how to run memtest?
06:28
<xdrazen>
i am over it
06:28
i am making the memtest now... i will see what happens
06:29
<alkisg>
Try the following steps:
06:29
1) Make a client with 32+32+32+32 MB RAM
06:29
2) Run memtest to verify it's ok
06:29
<xdrazen>
maybe it is really a issue with the p pro clients like they are lower than p2
06:30
i am doing it right now, but i guess that it will take its time
06:30
<alkisg>
3) Put a network card the ipxe recognizes so that it works with it
06:30
4) Try to boot ltsp-pnp with it
06:30
5) *Then* you can try to minimize the RAM usage
06:30
But, did you read what I wrote to you 2 days ago?
06:30
That even when you boot them, you won't be able to use them with any linux distribution?
06:31
Because of xorg pixmaps?
06:31
<xdrazen>
no i did not...
06:31
well trying those one can boot puppy 5.5 and tiny core
06:32
<alkisg>
Can you then use firefox 42 in that?
06:32
Or it just boots and then you can't do anything with it?
06:32
<xdrazen>
i was wondering if i could make that remote desktop option
06:32
<alkisg>
What do you want to do with those clients?
06:32
Do you want to run firefox in them?
06:32
<xdrazen>
they can use abiword and gnumeric, when trying the seamonkey it stops
06:32
<alkisg>
seamonkey is firefox, yes
06:32
<xdrazen>
not really
06:33
<alkisg>
So you can't use a browser that way, they don't have enough ram
06:33
What programs do you want to run in them?
06:33
<xdrazen>
most only abiword and gnumeric
06:33
<alkisg>
No internet?
06:34
<xdrazen>
even having acces, really does not matter. I mean, i could put a "minumum browser"
06:34
i saw some interesting web browsers in ubuntu software center
06:34
<alkisg>
Like what?
06:35
<xdrazen>
something like a boat, or even text browsing
06:35
cannot remember what browser i used to navigate with
06:36
<alkisg>
OK then you can use ltsp with those, yes. You can run dillo and netsurf and abiword and gnumeric with so little ram, but not firefox and libreoffice etc
06:36
<xdrazen>
test#7 in memtest and all is going allright
06:36
^^ i got that
06:36
<alkisg>
Which kernel do you have in the server? ls /boot/vmlinuz*
06:37
<xdrazen>
really really not sure. i installed the ubuntu 12.04.1
06:37
<alkisg>
That's why I told you the command to run
06:37
Please read
06:37
ls /boot/vmlinuz*
06:39
<xdrazen>
3.2.0-24
06:40
<alkisg>
This is not the correct output
06:40
A filename is needed
06:40
For example, /boot/vmlinuz-4.3.0-2-generic
06:40
This tells me that I have the pae kernel. Your output does not tell me if you have pae or not.
06:41
Please type all the output.
06:42
About ipxe, you should ask in their channel: /join #ipxe, and then ask "Does ipxe work with old CPUs, like pentium pro?"
06:42
If it does not, then you need to copy the kernel and initramfs locally.
06:42
But I haven't seen ipxe complaining about old cpus yet
06:43
<xdrazen>
i am really ashamed, i cannot say what kernel i have, i am not on the server machine now
06:44
<alkisg>
Did you ever manage to boot one of your older clients with ltsp?
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06:46
<xdrazen_>
sorry i got dc
06:46
<alkisg>
Did you ever manage to boot one of your older clients with ltsp?
06:47
<xdrazen_>
no one of my p pro could work
06:47
but the "boot" yes it works
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06:47
<alkisg>
What "boot"? Do you mean ipxe?
06:48
<xdrazen_>
yes, it workes, and after a bit time, i god a kernel error
06:48
<alkisg>
This is good
06:48
<xdrazen_>
-***i got
06:48
<alkisg>
You don't have the correct kernel, you have a pae kernel, you need to add non-pae for the ppro clients
06:48
So, ipxe loads or not?
06:49
Because you said that it doesn't load, and then that it loads the kernel and you have kernel panic
06:49
<xdrazen_>
it was kinda :kernel thread x06 x10
06:49
<alkisg>
This is good
06:49
When does ipxe not work?
06:49
<xdrazen_>
ipxe loads with 64 96 ram but higher it stops
06:49
<alkisg>
I don't understand
06:49
It works with 64MB RAM and with 96MB RAM, but it doesn't work with more RAM?
06:50
<xdrazen_>
memtest is done, any error
06:50
yes! it is strange
06:50
<alkisg>
But you said you don't have more ram
06:51
<xdrazen_>
with 32+32+32+32 or 32+32+32+16 it does not work
06:51
<alkisg>
How did you run memtest now, with 32+32+32+32 ?
06:51
<xdrazen_>
yes i done with that
06:51
<alkisg>
And if you load ipxe now, what message does it show?
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06:55
<xdrazen>
sorry
06:55
i am getting dc
06:55
well what i got is the same than ever
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06:56
<xdrazen>
it loads ipxe.krn
06:56
ipxe initialising devices ok
06:56
then the protocols supported and just inmediatly
06:56
it stops
06:57
<alkisg>
OK, read the previous things I said about the #ipxe channel
06:57
Bye for now!
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06:58
<xdrazen>
alkisg, about that kernel with PAE, how do i get the no PAE kernel?¿
06:58
cyberorg... i need only an advice
07:00
about the remote desktop that you said
07:00
what tiny core version do i need? and what open suse versions should i use?
07:02
<cyberorg>
https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/tinycore-thinclient/ is the pxe boot ready version
07:02
any tinycore which has rdesktop installed will work with any distro that has xrdp server running
07:03
<xdrazen>
that is strange, downloaded and tryed to boot the 6 version and it does not load
07:03
but the 1.4 yes do it, i must try some another...
07:04
http://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/tinycore-thinclient/
07:05
those are the programs for make that
07:05
they can fit in any linux distro right?
07:06
but, i really would rather use a opensuse distro. Could you send me a link for download one that could handle this and would be less than 1gb¿
07:10
<cyberorg>
just use any distro you already have pxe booting set up
07:11
<xdrazen>
i know that i am free for choose the distro that i would like, but... i really would rather to use the defaults and suggested, at less for now, with more exp i will make other trys
07:12
kinda i am really afraid to mess this
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07:14
<cyberorg>
you got ANY test ltsp server running?
07:15
<xdrazen>
the 14.04 edubuntu and 12.04.1 ubuntu
07:15
but them bot cannot load in the p pro for the kernel panic that i comented
07:17
btw, really here does not matter the architecture, or it does?
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07:19
<cyberorg>
install tinycore on any of those server to test
07:19
tinycore has its own kernel, we need server just to pxeboot and server nfs
07:20
set the server up according to tips in the set up script after making changes required as per your setup
07:21
<xdrazen>
just hold me there
07:21
install tinycore, the link that you sent me, in any of them, but with the ltsp working?
07:25
<cyberorg>
yes
07:26
<xdrazen>
i will try, now i am tired, it is 3:30am here. Thanks a lot. I will be back soon
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