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Channel log from 18 February 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<Ryan52>
!localapps
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<ltspbot>
Ryan52: Error: "localapps" is not a valid command.
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<Ryan52>
bleh.
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!doco
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<ltspbot>
Ryan52: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
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<Ryan52>
!doc
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<ltspbot>
Ryan52: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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<Ryan52>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
Ryan52: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
hello Egyptian[Home]
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
any idea why in fatclient some clients boots correctly and some don't after the ubuntu splash it is not loading and giving me connectio refuse and i am using NFS not imgs anymore.
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<ball>
hello mikkel
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<mikkel>
hi
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
anyone with nfs mount experince ? i have having a problem the fat-clients sometimes boots and sometimes not. and the error is nfsmount: needs a path any idea what might be the problem ? and some other time i reboot the client and it just works ..
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<ogra>
sounds like you have another dhcp server in your network
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
ogra: yes i figured ! someone turned it on and i was getting crazy coudn't understand what is happining.. thx :-)
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
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<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all
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<stgraber>
Gadi: ping
09:10
Gadi: I found a small bug in ltsp-genmenu yesterday, when the icon file is copied from the thin client to the server its extension is removed. So for example I have blender.xpm on the thin client and it'll be called blender on the server making it not to work
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<stgraber>
I need a new ltspfs in Ubuntu, tagging it now. Then ldm-trunk, then will take care of ltsp-trunk
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<azdour>
is this the right place to chat about ltsp and the nubae fat client?
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<Gadi>
stgraber: that's the latest code?
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<azdour>
i've joined the email list but any email i send seems to require moderator intervention and is therefore not being sent out
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<stgraber>
Gadi: I think so yes
09:19* Gadi doesnt see any reason why it should lose the extension
09:19
<stgraber>
Gadi: because it doesn't have the extension in the .desktop file
09:20
<Gadi>
right but that should not affect the copy
09:20
the "find" should return the actual file
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<stgraber>
yeah, but the target isn't determined from the find command
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<Gadi>
(unless the find is failing)
09:21
<stgraber>
so it'll copy /usr/share/pixmaps/blender.xpm to "blender" instead of "blender.xpm"
09:21
because the .desktop file contains Icon=blender
09:21
<Gadi>
oh, damn
09:21
that's vagrantc's bug
09:21
he changed the code
09:21
:P
09:21
<stgraber>
hehe
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<Gadi>
I'll fix it
09:22
<stgraber>
thanks
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<Gadi>
stgraber: pushed
09:27
please test
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<stgraber>
Ryan52: the translation change works !!! thanks
09:29
<Ryan52>
yay! yw :)
09:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
azdour: You're in the right place
09:30
<stgraber>
Ryan52: can you make message to use the text parser ?
09:31
Ryan52: so <b>test</b> would make test bold ?
09:31
Ryan52: in glade it's a simple option to turn on, there probably is a magic function for that too
09:31
<Ryan52>
yep
09:31
one sec.
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<Ryan52>
stgraber, okay, pushed.
09:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
What needs to be done with Ubuntu 8.10 Alternate install to get ltsp-localapps working?
09:41* _UsUrPeR_ is running x64 server, i386 client if that matters at all
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I can see ltsp-localappsd, but nothing for ltsp-localapps bin file
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<_UsUrPeR_>
nm. I got it :D copied /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/ltsp-localapps to /usr/bin/
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<stgraber>
tagging a new ldm-trunk now
10:29
Ryan52: all your changes seem to work perfectly, thanks a lot
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<cliebow>
Gadi:got time for an ot?
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<Gadi>
does it come with beer?
10:44
<cliebow>
someday!
10:45
<stgraber>
beer !!!, who spoke of beer ?
10:45
<cliebow>
what in pam.d triggers "You are required to change password immediatley when authenticating to ldap?
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<stgraber>
Gadi: yeah, your fix works. Thanks
10:45
tagging ltsp-trunk now
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<cliebow>
intrepid..openldap2.4
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pam_unix(su:chattrtok) doesmnt exist in /etc/passwd
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<Gadi>
cliebow: depends how you are connecting to ldap
10:49
there may be a pam_winbind or pam_ldap
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or some such
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<cliebow>
pam_ldap
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<Gadi>
ok - so it is probably seeing an expiration in your ldap user's account
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<cliebow>
ive never seen this [success=2 default=ignore] nomenclature in pam.d...
10:51
ill keep commenting out..see what happens..it would be nice to use the pam.d.* intrepid created...
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<din_os>
hello, a quicky : how do I know if an application on the client is run as a localapp or on the server? or, how do I make sure it runs as a localapp?
11:00
[hardy]
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<cliebow>
din_os:i suppose you could enable root on the clients
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<din_os>
ok I did that... and?
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<alkisg>
din_os: do a `ps -ef` on the server and see if it's listed in the output
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<din_os>
ok, it does :( thanks
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<zanikus>
has anyone had any success with the 'fat' client for ltsp 5 using the script from http://www.nubae.com
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<zanikus>
has anyone run into the bluetooth bug when booting a client using hardy as the ltsp server?
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<johnny>
i dont think i've ever even seen the word bluetooth mentioned in this channel
11:29
<huey>
heh
11:33* ogra hands johnny a glass with blueberries so he can have blue teeth
11:35* johnny throws them at ogra
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<johnny>
so.. i finally broke this old office chair :(
11:36
uggh
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<ogra>
thats what you get by throwing presents around in the room
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<johnny>
no.. that was yesterday
11:39
the back doesn't stay up..
11:39
i cracked it from leaning back too much
11:39
now i've got the chair against a bookshelf :)
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<th13f>
Hy guys, is 200mhz very low to a thin-client on LTSP 5?
12:14
<Lns>
th13f: it's pushing it
12:14
what GUI will you be using?
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<th13f>
gnome
12:14
5 minutes to boot up
12:15
there is any document abou this?
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<Lns>
yeah, that's really pushing it
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<Nubae>
200mhz sounds far too slow
12:15
well, depending on the ram
12:15
but at least 500mhz minimum would be advised
12:15
!docos
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<ltspbot>
Nubae: Error: "docos" is not a valid command.
12:15
<Nubae>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
Nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<Lns>
200MHz would be fine for a text-only ltsp term
12:16
or *maybe* xfce
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or *box
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<th13f>
Nubae: Ok. but why? on LTSP 4.2 this thin-client worked very well
12:16
Lns:
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<johnny>
definitely suggest LDM_DIRECTX for you then
12:17
<Lns>
th13f: ^^^
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<johnny>
that makes it behave more like 4.2..
12:17
and just as insecure as 4.2 :)
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<th13f>
johnny: I am using this. but not works
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<Nubae>
still 200mhz is too little for a usable machine
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<th13f>
Nubae: ok. thank you guys!
12:18
<Lns>
th13f: LTSP5 is much, much different than 4.2. There are too many new features to list, and the chroot is completely distro-ized
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<johnny>
you could probabl trim it down
12:20
th13f, not works?
12:20
did you put it in the right place?
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<Nubae>
hmmm u mean like take sound out that kinda stuff?
12:20
<johnny>
th13f, the real problem is that the overlying environments have gotten more complex..
12:20
<th13f>
johnny: yeah. /var/lib ....
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<johnny>
and require more processing powers
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<Nubae>
bottleneck anyway on those machines is the ram, as they normally have a capacity for carrying max 500mb or something like that
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12:21* Lns wonders if anyone's made LTSP work with Damn Small Linux
12:21
<th13f>
Ok. thank you so much
12:21* Nubae recently saw a totally text based linux version
12:21
<alkisg>
A client of mine has a 300MHz AMD, boots in 1 minute, and displays video fine with an S3 card
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<Nubae>
that would be cool to port
12:22
<th13f>
LTSP 4.2 works with Ubuntu 8.04?
12:22
<johnny>
no
12:22
4.2 is dead
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<th13f>
johnny: just debian?
12:22
<johnny>
unmaintained
12:22
i don't know if it's in new debian
12:22
<th13f>
johnny: really?
12:22
<Nubae>
all dead everywhere :-)
12:22
<johnny>
nobody has worked on it in a long time
12:22
2004
12:22
or something
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<th13f>
johnny: :O
12:22
johnny: so, how can a solve this?
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<Lns>
I'm sure it still *works*, you just have to make it work yourself hehe
12:23
<din_os>
I am searching for a sort-of guide for localapps on 8.04. It seems 8.10 has got it easy with the ltsp-localapps script under /usr/doc/ltsp-server/examples... but that's missing in 8.04. any ideas?
12:23
<th13f>
johnny: my client has 30 thin-clients 200mhz
12:23
<Nubae>
first take put in direct X like he says
12:23
<johnny>
din_os, it's not there for a reason
12:23
<th13f>
Lns: yeah... I have 3 clients working on it
12:23
<johnny>
din_os, at that time it wasn't ready
12:23
<Nubae>
and see how much that speeds stuff up
12:23
<th13f>
Nubae: 4 minutes to boot up
12:23
<johnny>
din_os, it is much better in intrepid.. but still won't be awesome til jaunty
12:23
<th13f>
Nubae: unusable
12:23
<Nubae>
then start turning things off
12:24
<alkisg>
th13f: you're on a 100mbps network?
12:24
<johnny>
din_os, at the time.. no supporting scripts will work.. so adding that file won't help
12:24
<th13f>
alkisg: yeah
12:24
<alkisg>
Well, switching to something faster could reduse your boot time
12:24
<johnny>
din_os, 8.04 was lts.. that's why it isn't in there
12:24
it was NOT ready
12:24
<din_os>
johnny: oh, that was my next question :), so is there a way or should I just put intrepid?
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<johnny>
you could upgrade .. or perhaps just upgrade the ltsp packages from intrepid
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<th13f>
ok guys... I will think about this...
12:25
thank you so much
12:25
<alkisg>
th13f: if you boot one client (not many at once), does it still need 5 minutes?
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<din_os>
johnny: that sounds interesting, but upgrading to new [distros?] was always buggy in ubuntu
12:26
<th13f>
alkisg: yeah! just one client!
12:26
alkisg: 4 ou 5 minutes on ubuntu 8.04
12:26
<johnny>
din_os, then wait til 9.04 comes out :)
12:26
<th13f>
with ltsp 5
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<din_os>
johnny: you said not 'awesome' so, firefox with flash 10 is a no-no?
12:27
<alkisg>
th13f: Ah, ok then. Are you sure directx is in effect? E.g. your lts.conf might be missing the [default] section or something...
12:27
<johnny>
huh?
12:28
<th13f>
alkisg: no. Its ok. /var/lib/tftpboot/... e /opt/ltsp/../lts.conf
12:28
and ltsp-update-image
12:28
<din_os>
johnny: you said not awesome until jaunty... why is that?
12:28
<th13f>
I did this in 2 way
12:28
<alkisg>
th13f: ok, guess 200 MHz is very different than my 300Mhz, then
12:29
<th13f>
alkisg: 300 mhz works well?
12:29
<alkisg>
Yeah, fine, even with video and all
12:29
On 100mbps network with bonding (4 nics on the server) - 8 clients
12:29
<johnny>
din_os, cuz it wasn't done yet!
12:29
din_os, it was still experimental on hardy
12:30
<Lns>
alkisg: jeez, you're a bonding fiend! hehe
12:30
<alkisg>
Hehe
12:30
<johnny>
and still experimental on intrepid
12:34
<din_os>
johnny: ok, thanks
12:34* alkisg is really disappointed in vbox... no 3d acceleration is understandable, but no 2d acceleration?!!! :'(
12:34
<dberkholz>
have you installed the virtualbox X driver?
12:35
<alkisg>
dberkholz: yes, they don't support 2d acceleration at all, they say it doesn't make sense in a virtualized environment
12:35
(scaling etc)
12:36
<ogra>
alkisg, well, they are good if you want a differnt screensize than the vesa defaults
12:37
<alkisg>
Yes, screensize, dhcp support, host networking etc are really good. But performance... not so good :)
12:37
<ogra>
like, if i test ubuntu MID edition which runs at 800x480 i cant get that with vesa ... with the vbox drivers i can force widescreen resolutions like that
12:37* ogra has never had preformance probs with vbox
12:37
<alkisg>
ogra: I think you can also do this without virtualbox drivers, no?
12:38
<ogra>
nope
12:38
it only offers vesa modes then
12:38
<dberkholz>
oh, does it just give you more resolution
12:38
<ogra>
which dont include any smal screen wide modes
12:38
<alkisg>
Hrm... I thought it added it to the bios list of vesa resolutions - without a driver
12:39
<ogra>
vesa = 800x600 or 640x480 (and some smaller ones) ... if you have any weird thing inbetween you need the vbox drivers
12:39
(and indeed the bigger ones than 800x600 which i usually dont use in windowed mode)
12:40
<alkisg>
ogra: but you don't actually use the vbox driver, you use vesa then... ???
12:40
<ogra>
depends what i do
12:40
if i test ltsp i'm fine with vesa
12:40
<alkisg>
" For guest operating systems with VirtualBox Guest Additions, a custom video mode
12:40
can be set using the video mode hint feature."
12:41
<ogra>
if i test ubuntu MID for MID devices i need a matching screensize
12:41
<alkisg>
No need to have guest additions for vesa modes...
12:41
<ogra>
which usually doesnt match any vesa modes
12:41
<alkisg>
Anyway.. :)
12:41
<ogra>
MID devices have 320x240 or 800x480 modes
12:42
<alkisg>
I understand the need for custom resolutions, I'm just saying that vbox inserts the resolution to the BIOS list of resolutions, so you don't need the guest additions to use it. Well, anyway, no big deal either way.
12:43
<ogra>
hmm, i didnt know thats possible, i always install the vbox video driver and am done
12:43
<DarKnesS_WolF>
somehting else i find a little bit strange ... nfsmounts.sh don't runn even it is in ltsp/ltsp.conf as i recall i had to put it into rc.local inside the fatclient ... also i am using NFS, but the NFS directory "/" always mounted ro only not rw even it is in /etc/exports on the host machine as rw ... is that common thing ? or i am missing something ?
12:43
<alkisg>
ogra, see chapter "9.5 Custom VESA resolutions"
12:43
<ogra>
the advantage is that my laptop touchscreen is directly usable in vbox
12:44
it gets handed through directly ...
12:44
which is very helpful for MID ;)
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<xrmx>
hi, my thin client hang when i press shutdown from ldm, ltsp5 / debian lenny
13:03
<Gadi>
xrmx: has the server rebooted or the image updated at any point?
13:03
without the client being rebooted
13:04
<xrmx>
Gadi: how can i check if the image has been updated? the server didn't reboot
13:05
<Gadi>
if you ctrl-alt-f1 on the client, do you see any nbd error messages?
13:05
<xrmx>
Gadi: debian is using nfs not nbd, and i cannot switch to terminal, the thin client hangs
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<Gadi>
ah
13:06
hmm
13:06
not sure, then
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
xrmx: dose ur / nfs mounted as ro only ?
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<xrmx>
DarKnesS_WolF: looks it is from /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
13:08
<alkisg>
xrmx: how old is the client? maybe it's a buggy acpi bios?
13:09
<xrmx>
alkisg: it's a thincan dbe61 with coreboot
13:10
<ogra>
the one without the power button *g*
13:11
<DarKnesS_WolF>
xrmx: mm ihave rw and when i type mount on teh client i find it is still RO i had to mount the real LTSP server home dir :-s
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<xrmx>
ogra: yeah :(
13:12
<ogra>
xrmx, you might have some success trying to install apmd (not that i tries but who knows, it probably reacts to apm commands)
13:12
*tried
13:12
<xrmx>
DarKnesS_WolF: i think i'm not following
13:12
ogra: will try
13:13
<DarKnesS_WolF>
xrmx: i have a ubuntu NFS installtion
13:13
on the server /etc/exports moutns the /opt/ltsp/amd64 with rw
13:13
<ogra>
right, but you use a hacked up fat client variant
13:13
<DarKnesS_WolF>
but when the thenclients boots it mounds the /opt/ltsp/amd64/ to / in ro mood
13:14
i don't know where exactly i can modife this option .
13:14
<Gadi>
xrmx: the problem is the shutdown button from the greeter, right?
13:14
not the power button
13:14
<alkisg>
xrmx: I've heard of people solving this problem (not on dbe61) by putting "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img acpi=off apm=on apm=power_off" in "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default"
13:14
<xrmx>
Gadi: yes, i don't have power button :)
13:14
<Gadi>
so this should have nothing to do with acpi
13:14
:)
13:15
<xrmx>
Gadi: i've trid blacklisting acpi but mouse stopped working so it's a nogo for me
13:15
<ogra>
Gadi, these things have no BIOS :)
13:15
<Gadi>
wasn't there a whole to-do about the command used to poweroff from the shutdown button?
13:15
<ogra>
so no acpu
13:15
s/u/i
13:15
<Gadi>
ogra: ^^
13:15
<ogra>
it saved them five bucks or so to go without BIOS
13:16
<Gadi>
ie, halt vs. poweroff vs. shutdown
13:16
sounds to me like that's the issue
13:16
<xrmx>
i've updated to latest x geode driver and installed apmd, now rebuilding the client
13:16
<Gadi>
forget video drivers, acpi, apm, etc
13:17
this seems to have to do with the command used by the greeter to poweroff the client
13:17
<alkisg>
Gadi, G2 and G3 power states are ACPI commands, aren't they? Or am I missing something?
13:17
E.g. I have a TC with a similar problem (very old bios) that shuts down fine with windows 98, but not with linux (all versions I've tried)
13:18
<Gadi>
seems upstream uses: /sbin/poweroff -p
13:18
<ogra>
that should be -fp
13:18
or -f only
13:19
<Gadi>
well, it aint in upstream
13:19
:)
13:19
<ogra>
it used to
13:20
poweroff -p tells shutdown (which is executed by poweroff) to call poweroff ...
13:20
<Gadi>
so, in other words, sounds like currently it is using shutdown
13:20
<ogra>
it was -fp for years since my first implementation of that menu
13:20
no idea who dropped the -f
13:20
<Gadi>
dont look at me
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
Nubae: there man ?
13:21
<Gadi>
:)
13:21
<ogra>
-f means "dont call shutdown and do what i told you"
13:21
(you may add a "right now, damned!" if you like)
13:22
i think warren was fond of calling the full shutdown process, he might have "fixed" it
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<Lns>
I've been trying to figure out exactly what the diff is between halt and poweroff (to a non-sparc type station anyway). I have 'halt' in my TC cron to shut down automatically
13:26
<xrmx>
shutdown with xfce rebooted the server :|
13:27
<Lns>
all the man pages point to shutdown
13:28
<ogra>
xrmx, known xfce bug
13:29
<xrmx>
ogra: does upstream acknowledged the bug?
13:29
<ogra>
the xubuntu team knows abut that since years
13:29
xrmx, i doubt they forwarded it upstream
13:29
but i filed it about 2 years ago, nobody cared
13:30
<xrmx>
ogra: do you know if lxde works fine?
13:30
<ogra>
no idea
13:30
but afaik its missing a lot in ubuntu anyway
13:31
<xrmx>
which desktop do you use usually?
13:31
<ogra>
ubuntu ;)
13:31
but i dont do much with ltsp anymore
13:32
but given tht i had to make sure ltsp works with the default desktop for quite some time i only used that
13:33
<DarKnesS_WolF>
ogra: ok when the ltsp fatclinets boot from where it do get the fstab content ? i mean from where it do mount the / with it is options ?
13:33
may be i am looking at the wrong direction
13:33
<ogra>
DarKnesS_WolF, no idea i never looked closely at the fat client hack
13:34
nubae hacked that together himself, ask him
13:34
<Lns>
DarKnesS_WolF: ask Nubae
13:34
<DarKnesS_WolF>
yes i know but seems he is sleep ;0
13:34
:)
13:34
will get him tomorrow or so
13:34
<ogra>
he wasnt around for a while i think
13:34
!seen nubae
13:34
<ltspbot>
ogra: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <Nubae> then start turning things off
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<ogra>
oh, i'm wrong :)
13:35
<DarKnesS_WolF>
:)
13:35
<knipwim>
DarKnesS_WolF: i read your issue
13:35
about the ro nfs mount to /
13:35
<DarKnesS_WolF>
i liked the idea of fatclient alot .. i have very powerfull machines and all i need is single point of mangment for users / packages and using this power so fatclient was exactly what i am looking for..
13:36
knipwim: okay go on
13:36
<knipwim>
i have /opt/ltsp/x86 192.168.0.54(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) in /etc/exports
13:36
<DarKnesS_WolF>
okay ?
13:36
<knipwim>
and 192.168.0.52:/opt/ltsp/x86 / nfs sync,hard,intr,rw,nolock,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0
13:36
in fstab
13:37
<DarKnesS_WolF>
fstab of the thinclient and /etc/exports of the ltsp machine right ?
13:37
<knipwim>
yes
13:37
and mine also mounts ro :(
13:37
<DarKnesS_WolF>
lol
13:37
<Gadi>
guys, it exports as ro
13:37
you dont want rw rootfs
13:38
<DarKnesS_WolF>
Gadi: i find it makes sense .. but i thought i have something wrong a problem or so .
13:38
Gadi: ok i have /scripts/nfsmounds.sh and it is not running by default i had to put it in rc.local of the client.
13:38
<ogra>
isnt nubaes script designed for nbd anyway ?
13:38
<DarKnesS_WolF>
i still can chroot and do what i want in the client anyway ..
13:38
ogra: yes
13:39
<ogra>
i wonder how much work or testing he actually put into nfs
13:39
<DarKnesS_WolF>
but i used a script nbd 2 nfs from UbuntuLTSPDevlopemnetEnv. i think
13:39
<ogra>
since he focuses on nbd
13:39
<Gadi>
nfs uses bindmounts, no?
13:39
<ogra>
yes
13:39
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
someone can tell me if is possible use ldm on scrren01 in the lts.conf?? I am trying here..but the machine doesnot start the login scrren
13:39
<DarKnesS_WolF>
and it works fine. i hated the idea of nbd to rebuild hte img and reboot the clients not gonna work for me at all.
13:39
<ogra>
which means it has to be ro
13:39
<Gadi>
I would imagine nothing but problems with fatclient then
13:40
<ogra>
Bugs_BunnyBR, depends on your distro
13:40
<DarKnesS_WolF>
no guys it do works fine.
13:40
<ogra>
Gadi, yeah
13:40
DarKnesS_WolF, how long have you run that setup in production yet
13:40
<DarKnesS_WolF>
ok something else i can have multu ltsp images of distros on teh same server?
13:41
ogra: not in prduction yet :)
13:41
but been playing with it testing for like 3 days.
13:41
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
kubuntu
13:41
<ogra>
DarKnesS_WolF, how do you know it works fine then =
13:41
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
kubuntu 8.10
13:41
<ogra>
DarKnesS_WolF, the clients will start to write concurring stuff into your nfs root on the server
13:41
if they are able to all mount the same root rw
13:42
<DarKnesS_WolF>
that is why it should be ro ?
13:42
<ogra>
that will become intresting after some days with several users
13:42
right
13:42
the client side then merges the ro root from the server with a tmpfs in ram
13:42
<DarKnesS_WolF>
actually when i thought about it .. i don't want the user to write anything but there home dir.
13:42
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
ogra: My you help me?
13:42
May*
13:43
<ogra>
so things the client writes end up in the tmpfs overlay and not in the actual root on the server
13:43
<DarKnesS_WolF>
ic
13:43
<ogra>
Bugs_BunnyBR, ubuntu (and kubuntu as well) uses upstart, upstart needs the first tty for its console
13:43
so you cant use SCREEN_01 for ldm
13:44
that will change in later releases and is a known limitation of upstart
13:44
<DarKnesS_WolF>
next step is to install another LTSP imgs on the same machine.. and then also pxeboot.cfg modifcations.
13:44
<ogra>
for now you need to use SCREEN_02 or bigger
13:45
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
thanks a lot
13:46
Just one thing more..Do you know when you be that release?
13:46
when will be ***
13:46
<ogra>
no, it might be that it can work with 9.04 but i'm not sure
13:46
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
thanks again
13:47
<Gadi>
Bugs_BunnyBR: btw: personally, I have had no issues on Ubuntu by simply deleting upstart's tty1
13:47
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
Do you know if exists any configurator to the ltsp 5.0 ?? I am working in one
13:47
<Gadi>
:)
13:47
<ogra>
Gadi, well, you need to hack up the code to allow it though
13:47
<Gadi>
but, ogra will tell me I play with fire
13:48
<ogra>
not at all, i just listen to upstart upstream :P
13:48
<Gadi>
you believe everything you hear?
13:48
<ogra>
if it works for you, thats fine
13:48
<Gadi>
Ive got a bridge to sell u
13:48
:D
13:48
<ogra>
but dont call if it fails :P
13:48
<Gadi>
as if you would answer if I called...
13:49
<ogra>
well, you never tried so i cant tell yet if i would pick up :)
13:49
<DarKnesS_WolF>
ok guys have a good time.
13:49
good night.
13:49
<Gadi>
we always do
13:49
Lns: ping
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<Lns>
Gadi: pong
13:50
<Gadi>
so, talk to me about this whole libX11 thing
13:50
<Lns>
ugh
13:50
hehe.. ok
13:50
<Gadi>
when you do your non-xcb workaround, do you find improved performance on all X apps?
13:50
in addition to Java
13:50
<Lns>
Gadi: no, just java.
13:50
<Bugs_BunnyBR>
well..I had made my wizard to set ldm in the scrren01..but I will change..after the carnaval, I will be here again to show my web wizard to the 5.0
13:50
<Lns>
it's just java i was having issues with.
13:50* ogra guesses only on the ones using xcb :)
13:51
<Lns>
ogra: ;)
13:51
<Gadi>
ogra: it is libX11 that is compiled against libxcb
13:51
<ogra>
right, but not all apps use xcb dependedn functions
13:51
evo does afaik
13:51
and firefox *might* i'm not sure
13:52
java definately does, thats an old known bug
13:52
<Gadi>
Lns: do you see improvements in evo and firefox, as well?
13:52
<Lns>
Gadi: not to my knowledge, no. It was *only* TypingMaster (our web based typing tutor, based on Java)
13:53
Gadi: and others reported improvement when using the same workaround for other java apps
13:53
<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xcb/+bug/88815
13:53
<Lns>
ogra: hmmmmm
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<Gadi>
Im just curious because it definitely seems like Intrepid's X environment is sluggish in the rendering department remotely compared to gutsy
13:54
<ogra>
xcb was an upstream change iirc
13:55
so you should see it on fedora 8 vs 10 as well
13:55
<Lns>
lemme try and dig up my conv. w/xcb ppl here
13:55
<Gadi>
ogra: im not blaming anyone - simply using the distros as time markers
13:55
:)
13:55
<ogra>
yeah, i didnt feel blamed :)
13:55
<Lns>
heh..nm, there was no conversation (they never responded to me)
13:56
<ogra>
but it would give some indication if someone could try fedora vs ubuntu n this regard
13:56
<Gadi>
I know that this xcb thing + pixmap caching bonanza of modern apps may be the cause of 99% of the pain
13:56
<ogra>
yeah
13:56
<Lns>
yes
13:56
that's all the heat i'm getting from the schools
13:56
<Gadi>
some drivers allow you to disable pixmap caching
13:56
but not all
13:56
and I don't have any such drivers
13:57
<ogra>
well, teach the app upstreams :)
13:57
with a club
13:57
<Gadi>
hmm...
13:57
<Lns>
I read a list post (after hours of searching different threads) that said something about being able to make an x11 extension to intercept pixmap calls
13:58
<Gadi>
would VideoMem restrict the pixmap cache memory?
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<Lns>
I still want to know why clients crash when pixmap mem is exausted, even when you have swap enabled
13:59
at least nbd_swap in my cases
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<Gadi>
Lns: do they hard lock or do they logout?
14:00
<Lns>
Gadi: hard lock
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<ogra>
are you sure ?
14:00
<Lns>
i don't normally use x_ramperc lts.conf option
14:00
<ogra>
how long did you wait
14:00
nbd swapping is lots and lots slower than normal swapping
14:00
<Lns>
ogra: not sure, it's always just been reported to me
14:01
but they can't ctrl+alt+backspace
14:01
i'm sure it was probably at least a minute or two
14:01
<ogra>
nbd swap is essentially only there for being able to save your work if something goes wrong
14:01
<Lns>
ogra: ?
14:02
<ogra>
but you likely have to wait quite some time for the system to get responsive again if oyu hit the swap
14:02
<Lns>
if "something goes wrong" you don't pick up the same swapfile after reboot right?
14:02
<ogra>
if something goes wrong == if you run out of ram
14:02
<Lns>
so it's basically there to reorder ram..?
14:02
<ogra>
no
14:03
its there as a safety net so you can click on save on openoffice after having waited 30min if the system ran out of ram
14:03
<Lns>
i was always under the impression that nbd_swap was pretty efficient
14:03
that's what the docs say anyway iirc
14:03
<ogra>
its way to slow to be used for real swapping
14:03
you swap over a saturated network
14:03
uncompressed
14:04
its effective if you swap to a tmpfs on the server with two or three clients on your network
14:04
but if you use it in a bigger setup it wont be helpful
14:05
only for the safety net usecase
14:05
<Lns>
for waiting 30min? hehe
14:05
well i do know that after enabling nbd_swap, many schools stopped reporting so many crashes
14:05
<ogra>
well, if you would lose the work of a day 30min are helpful
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14:05
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
ogra: finally got an e-mail, thanks.
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<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM_, yeah, i poked him again
14:06
CAN-o-SPAM_, i said you knocked on my door and had money in your hands ... that made him listen up :P
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<ogra>
(indeed i didnt :) )
14:08
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
haha
14:10
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14:10
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM_, pfft get something ARM based out ... ATOM is dead :)
14:11
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM_: nice!!
14:11
<ogra>
ARM coretex-a8 is the future
14:11
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
ogra: you wouldn't be slightly biased given your latest work would you?
14:11
<ogra>
heh :)
14:11
<johnny>
CAN-o-SPAM_, i really personally want an arm lappy
14:11
<ogra>
well, ARMs use 10% of the power the ATOM uses
14:12
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
although i am very interested in the ARM
14:12
<ogra>
while giving you the same performance
14:12
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
and then after the ARM comes the new chipset from Via ... the Nano
14:12
<johnny>
somebody make me one with no legacy ports, no optical drive, and a bunch of usb ports :)
14:12
that's still x86 tho from via right?
14:12
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
johnny: not sure, i haven't read up on it recently
14:12
<ogra>
there are 256M beagleboards to come out in march ... put them in a case, add a USB hub and you are in business
14:13
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM_: what's that thin slot in the front? mini-cd/dvd?
14:13
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
smart card
14:13
<Lns>
ah
14:13
<johnny>
ogra, i'd like something a bit more integrated.. :)
14:13
<Lns>
ltsp != smartcard compliant (yet) right?
14:13
<johnny>
altho a beaglboard would be useful for lots of things
14:13
Lns, wouldn't be too hard for a dedicated person i bet
14:14
<Lns>
that would be sooo slick
14:14
or even usb stick auth
14:14
ssh privkey auth via hotplug usb stick..mmmm *drool*
14:14
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
Lns: Gadi may hve something for smartcard + ltsp
14:15
<ogra>
johnny, well, you could buy some TI board, they usually have onboard NICs etc but then the price raises
14:15
<johnny>
i'm trying to understand what value i could get from somethign in the range of $400
14:16
<ogra>
a beagle plus usb NIC plus hub plus case will cost you about $150 if you buy it in a greater amount
14:16
<johnny>
huh.. nic? seems like it could be onboard easily..
14:16
soc stuff
14:16
<ogra>
i.e. if you are somene like disklessworkstations.com
14:16
sure, but it isnt
14:16
<johnny>
then this isn't the right product
14:17
<Gadi>
Lns: I am recompiling libX11 on intrepid without xcb
14:17
<johnny>
somebody will make this mythical laptop
14:17
<ogra>
the beagle is a good core to create someting around it
14:17
<Gadi>
will see how it goes
14:17
<Lns>
Gadi: wow, nice. thanks :)
14:17
<johnny>
ogra, it also needs expandable memory..
14:17
up to 1G
14:17
<ogra>
these laptops will come soon as well
14:17
<johnny>
i'm sure
14:17
<ogra>
johnny, for a thin client ?
14:17
<johnny>
i just hope the economy doesn't stop it
14:17
no..
14:17
<Gadi>
well, at least it'll be a somewhat proper intrepid package
14:17
:)
14:17
<johnny>
not thin client.. a laptop
14:18
<ogra>
right for a lappie you want 512M at least
14:18
<johnny>
gimme gimme
14:18
hehe
14:18
<ogra>
though having that exapandable in the light of how ARMs are designed usually is a bit tricky
14:18
<johnny>
well.. just throw 2G in there then :)
14:18
i'll be Ok for a few years :)
14:18
<ogra>
on three out of five arm boards i have the ram is soldered below the CPU CIE
14:19
<johnny>
sure.. solder 2G in there :)
14:19
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
say again ... soldered?
14:19
<ogra>
yep
14:19
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
is there another slot? or no?
14:19
<johnny>
i'll turn off the disk and run off of ram :)
14:19
hehe
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<ogra>
the CPU sits on top of the RAM chips, completely covering it
14:20
i have ARM boards that arent bigger than an intel CPU
14:20
<Gadi>
man, who made that engineering decision?
14:20
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
gadi: thats what i'm thinkin
14:20
ogra: got any extras you wanna ship out?
14:20* Gadi thinks he misreads "on top"
14:20
<ogra>
the CPU is so cheap that you replace it *with the ram* on upgrade
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<stgraber>
Gadi: hmm, some changes to X01-localapps broke group name containing spaces again ...
14:21
<ogra>
i.e. you usually have a daughterboard for the peripherials
14:21
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
so my youtube ad will be someone smashing their arm TC w/ a hammer and then grabbing a new one off the shelf?
14:21* Gadi worries more about dissepating the mem chip heat
14:21
<Gadi>
stgraber: are you serious?
14:21
wth
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<stgraber>
Gadi: yeah ...
14:21
<ogra>
Gadi, i can hold a 800MHz ONAP3 between my thumb and index finger while its running
14:22
<stgraber>
Gadi: my user is in "Domain Admins" and the usermod is: usermod -G audio,video,fuse,Domains sgraber
14:22
*Domain
14:22
<johnny>
so.. is there a comparison between what 800mhz really means in x86 terms?
14:22
<Gadi>
*sigh*
14:22
<stgraber>
so the Admins part got lost somewhere
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<ogra>
johnny, 800MHz
14:22
<stgraber>
making usermod to fail and I end up being in no group at all
14:22
<johnny>
stgraber, you ate em
14:22
<Gadi>
I wish we would stop cleaning code...
14:22
<ogra>
johnny, its the same
14:22
<johnny>
we really need to put a lease on that stephane character..
14:22
leash*
14:23
he's eating up all the admins
14:23
<Lns>
oh noes, all my lolcatz!
14:23
<ogra>
a lease, eh ? lease a stephane to do your dishes ?
14:23
<johnny>
leash* ogra .. :)
14:23
<ogra>
:P
14:23
<johnny>
but sure. we can lease him for work too
14:23
why not
14:24
i'm sure other people want their admins eaten.. especially in a windows company :)
14:24
hehe
14:24
windows using*
14:24
<Gadi>
stgraber: found it
14:24
it was that change we made for warren way back when
14:24
<stgraber>
Gadi: oh, you're fast :)
14:24
<Gadi>
the id line
14:25
we take the third field, which of course is not the right one
14:25* Gadi will fix the regexp
14:25
<stgraber>
Gadi: what should we take instead ? I have a thin client next to me so I can easily test it :)
14:26
<Gadi>
one sec
14:26
<warren>
what?
14:26
Gadi: what is?
14:28
<Gadi>
warren, good ur here
14:28
I actually need you to test something for me
14:28
<warren>
?
14:29
<Gadi>
/usr/bin/id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
14:29
waht do you get?
14:29
<warren>
/usr/bin/id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
14:29
unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
14:29
[warren@newcaprica pw]$ /usr/bin/id
14:29
uid=500(warren) gid=500(warren) groups=492(mock),500(warren) context=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
14:29
<Gadi>
thats what I was afraid of
14:29
ah, thats the string I need
14:29
:)
14:29
thx
14:29
<warren>
Gadi: stop trying to pull out parameters by number, you need to actually parse it
14:29
gid= groups= etc.
14:30
<Gadi>
yes, yes - the difficulty is distinguishing between group names with spaces and arguments
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<warren>
Gadi: then you need a real parser, not just delimiter chopping
14:31
<Gadi>
thats what im workin on
14:31
but, thx
14:31
:)
14:31
<warren>
ok cool
14:31
thanks for asking
14:31
please e-mail in the future, I can't hang out here 24/7 anymore
14:31
<johnny>
wuh wuh wuh warren
14:38
<Gadi>
ok, so its not a full parser, but try this one, warren: id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
14:39
<warren>
id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
14:39
mock,warren
14:39
<Gadi>
beautiful
14:39
thx
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<warren>
Gadi: be sure you make sure it works for both the read-only root case that you might not normally test.
14:40
Gadi: (added for Debian and Fedora)
14:40
<Gadi>
u bet
14:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
has anyone had a chance to use the new via beta drivers for ubuntu 8.10 over at http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action?
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<skeemer>
hi, i'm having trouble figuring out how to change the display manager. i thought i could just change the .desktop file used in gdm.conf, but that doesn't seem to work
14:44* ogra guesses skeemer means the session manager :)
14:44
<stgraber>
warren: so id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g' should work ?
14:45
s/warren/Gadi/ :)
14:45
<Gadi>
stgraber: just pushed
14:45
try that
14:45
<stgraber>
Gadi: cool, thanks
14:45
<skeemer>
ogra, actually, i'm totally confused at this point. isn't gdm what takes care of the login?
14:45
<ogra>
no
14:45
ldm
14:46
<skeemer>
how do i change the default session in that?
14:47
<stgraber>
Gadi: you sure it works ? :)
14:49
<Gadi>
what's that supposed to mean?
14:49
:)
14:49
test it
14:49
<stgraber>
well, I'm still not in Domain admins and I'm in none of my pam_group groups so ...
14:49
I'll patch in the chroot and reboot just to be sure
14:50
<Gadi>
you used the file I just pushed?
14:50
or your own edit?
14:50
<stgraber>
edit with what I saw on IRC
14:50
<Gadi>
what do you get with: id|sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
14:50
on the server?
14:51
<stgraber>
audio,video,fuse,employes,Domain Admins,sysadmin,develhosts,infrastructure,Zimbrapro
14:52
<Gadi>
that looks good
14:52
:)
14:53
<stgraber>
so looks fine, I just don't get why it doesn't work on the thin client :)
14:53
will just do it the Windows way and reboot the thin client
14:54
<alkisg>
I don't know if that makes any difference, but the above line doens't work if locale=el
14:54
<Gadi>
stgraber: this looks bad: ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} LANG=C getent group $(echo $myGroups | tr ',' ' ') >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
14:54
<stgraber>
alkisg: no, we do LANG=C in ltsp
14:54
<alkisg>
ok
14:54
But why don't you use id -Gn ?
14:55
<Gadi>
alkisg: becaus you cannot parse it for groups with spaces
14:55
$ id -Gn
14:55
Domain Users fuse admin sambashare Domain Admins
14:55
<alkisg>
Ah, -Gn is silly then
14:57
<stgraber>
Gadi: reboot didn't help, it's still broken
14:57
<Gadi>
your getent group call is prolly failing
14:57
see above
14:57
I bet you dont have the groups in the group file
14:57
<stgraber>
Gadi: indeed
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<stgraber>
Server: audio,video,fuse,employes,Domain Admins,sysadmin,develhosts,infrastructure,Zimbrapro
14:58
<alkisg>
How about this? getent group `id -G`|awk -F ':' '{print $1}'
14:58
<stgraber>
Client: employes, sysadmin,develhosts,infrastructure,Zimbrapro
14:59
audio,video,fuse are the pam_group ones
14:59
<Gadi>
stgraber: I just need to fix your tr
14:59
one sec
15:02
<skeemer>
how do i change the default xsession? i'm trying to just run firefox in kiosk mode without using resources up running all the other junk. i've created a firefox.desktop file that works, but i can't seem to make it the default session
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<sistemas>
hi
15:09
jimm are you here?
15:09
please i need help with ltsp5
15:09
i was working with ltsp4 but now im installing a new server
15:09
but i can't log in
15:10
look i have opensuse 10.1
15:10
ummm 11.1
15:10
sorry
15:10
and i have downloaded and installed ltsp5
15:10
<Gadi>
stgraber: pushed
15:10
try that
15:10
<sistemas>
i run kiwi-ltsp
15:10
and i read howto
15:11
clients run fine
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<sistemas>
boot fine
15:11
and i can see X client running
15:11
and it ask me a user and a password
15:11
but it can log in
15:12
i just have 2 user
15:12
root and usuer
15:12
password is fine
15:12
but a caple of days ago it worked fine
15:13
i dont know what is the config file that i have to change
15:13
becouse i think this client is trying to autenticathe into another server and not from the ltsp server
15:13
someone can help me?
15:15
<Gadi>
sistemas: you prolly want either cyberorg or someone in #kiwi-ltsp
15:15
the rest of us know very little about kiwi-ltsp
15:15
or, at least I do
15:15
:)
15:16
<sistemas>
what is the differente between kiwi and ltsp
15:17
join #kiwi-ltsp
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<skeemer>
can anyone help me of should i check back later?
15:18
<stgraber>
Gadi: trying
15:18
<Gadi>
skeemer: you could create a .xsession file in the user directory, I think
15:19
<skeemer>
Gadi: i need a global solution
15:19
<Gadi>
you want all the users to use firefox?
15:19
<skeemer>
atleast 90%
15:19
<Gadi>
if that is the case, then make a .xsession-like script file somewhere
15:19
and in lts.conf pass...
15:20
what was:
15:20
LDM_REMOTECMD
15:20
something like that
15:20
I need to check
15:20
<stgraber>
Gadi: hmm, now I'm in no group at all :)
15:20
<Gadi>
awesome
15:20
<stgraber>
my primary group doesn't even exist :)
15:21
<skeemer>
Gadi: there's no conf file for ldm?
15:21
<Gadi>
no
15:21
lts.conf
15:22
<skeemer>
do i have to create that? the one in etc said not to put stuff there anymore
15:23
<Gadi>
ah, well upstream has:
15:23
LDM_XSESSION
15:23
and LDM_SESSION
15:23
that's probably what you want
15:24
what distro are you on?
15:24
<skeemer>
latest ubuntu, iberson or whatever that bird is
15:24
<Gadi>
lol
15:24
and just to be clear, you are running your own xsession script (perhaps with minimal window manager, firefox, etc)
15:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: ping
15:25
<Gadi>
are you sure you want to run it on the server and not on the client?
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<Gadi>
you'd get much better performance on the client
15:25
<skeemer>
Gadi: ok.. what's involved in that?
15:26
<Gadi>
well, with that, you would install anything you need in the chroot
15:26
sudo /opt/ltsp/i386
15:26
export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False
15:26
apt-get update
15:26
apt-get install ....
15:27
then, create a "screen script" under the chroot's /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/directory
15:27
oops
15:27
/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ dir
15:27
(you can copy the rdesktop one as a template)
15:27
run your script from xinit
15:27
<skeemer>
ahh, ok
15:28
<Gadi>
and in lts.conf, set SCREEN_07="myScreenScript"
15:28
and off you go
15:28
<skeemer>
would that mean that i wouldn't be able to choose a different session at the login screen?
15:29
<Gadi>
you wouldnt have a login screen
15:29
it would just run your session
15:29
<skeemer>
ahhh, ok
15:29
ic
15:29
<Gadi>
and run it as root on the client
15:29
:)
15:29
<skeemer>
what if i have a couple terminals that i need to run normal?
15:30
<Gadi>
create an lts.conf
15:30
and make sections for those terminals
15:30
in which you specify: SCREEN_07=ldm
15:30
<skeemer>
ic
15:30* Lns used to have a screen that launched Zork :p
15:31
<Gadi>
its a bit of fiddling, but firefox on the client performs much better than firefox on the server
15:31
read: flash, java
15:31
<warren>
Anyone know if Geode NX is used by anything?
15:31
<Gadi>
warren: not much that Im aware of
15:31
its also EOL
15:31
<skeemer>
Gadi: would that include the new $109 ones?
15:32
<Gadi>
$109 whats?
15:32
<stgraber>
Gadi: so, any idea ? :)
15:32
<skeemer>
diskless-workstation boxes
15:32
<warren>
I have a Geode NX motherboard with SiS video and RAM. I'm throwing it away unless somebody wants it.
15:32
No idea if it works.
15:33
<Gadi>
stgraber: its definitely this line:
15:33
ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} LANG=C getent group $(echo $myGroups | sed -e "s/^/\\\'/" -e "s/$/\\\'/" -e "s/,/\\\' \\\'/g") >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
15:33
stgraber: on your server can you try:
15:33
ssh localhost LANG=C getent group $(echo $myGroups | sed -e "s/^/\\\'/" -e "s/$/\\\'/" -e "s/,/\\\' \\\'/g")
15:34
oh, of course you need to define myGroups
15:34
:)
15:36
stgraber: try this one
15:37
I may have been doing too much in one step
15:37
(pushed)
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<stgraber>
Gadi: trying now
15:45
<skeemer>
Gadi: why SCREEN_07?
15:45
<stgraber>
Gadi: still no group
15:47
<Gadi>
stgraber: well, this time you have a variable to look at: myGroups_quoted
15:48
<stgraber>
\'audio\' \'video\' \'fuse\' \'employes\' \'Domain Admins\' \'sysadmin\' \'develhosts\' \'infrastructure\' \'Zimbrapro\'
15:48
<Gadi>
good
15:48
thats right
15:49
(ssh needs the escapes)
15:49
can you see if you have the groups
15:49
<stgraber>
I don't have any
15:50
<Gadi>
in groups.combined?
15:50
is there a: /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined?
15:51
<stgraber>
yes
15:51
the output of ssh -S /var/run/ldm_socket_10742_10.145.2.111 10.145.2.111 LANG=C getent group \'audio\' \'video\' \'fuse\' \'employes\' \'Domain Admins\' \'sysadmin\' \'develhosts\' \'infrastructure\' \'Zimbrapro\'
15:51
seems correct
15:52
root@ltsp69:~# cat /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined | grep sgraber
15:52
root@ltsp69:~#
15:53
<Gadi>
dont you mean stgraber?
15:53
<stgraber>
no, my username at the office is sgraber
15:53
<Gadi>
ah
15:53
how about: grep "Domain Admins" /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined
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<stgraber>
hmm, it's not only broken for users in groups containing a space, it's now broken for everyone :)
15:55
root@ltsp69:~# grep Domain /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined
15:55
root@ltsp69:~#
15:55
<Gadi>
good -we're getting somewhere
15:56
try this:
15:56
change:
15:56
ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} LANG=C getent group ${myGroups_quoted} >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
15:56
to:
15:56
ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} "LANG=C getent group ${myGroups_quoted}" >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
15:57
<sistemas>
please i cant login X
15:57
help
15:57
<stgraber>
Gadi: no change
15:57
<Gadi>
stgraber: is your /etc/group screwed up atm?
15:57
that could be the problem
15:58
make sure you start with fresh /etc/group
15:58
<stgraber>
well, after login sure :)
15:58
I'll see if it gets restored after logout
15:58
<sistemas>
what file must i change to login with one or another server
15:58
<stgraber>
ok, it gets restored correctly when I logout
15:59
<sistemas>
what file must i change to select my login server
15:59
from X
15:59
<skeemer>
Gadi: do i have to run something so that it recognizes my script in the screen.d directory? it says it can't find it
15:59
<Gadi>
skeemer: is it chmod 755?
15:59
oh, and you have to update the image when you are through changing it
15:59
sudo ltsp-update-image
16:01
<skeemer>
Gadi: is that in chroot or normal?
16:01
<Gadi>
normal
16:01
ie, exit out of the chroot
16:01* skeemer tries again
16:01
<Gadi>
and reroll the image with that command
16:02
<skeemer>
got it
16:02
is that whole directory downloaded to the client?
16:02
<Gadi>
mounted
16:02
not downloaded
16:02
and its actually an image that is mounted
16:02
ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images
16:03
<skeemer>
is that mount not shared between the clients then?
16:03
<Gadi>
it is
16:03
all of them
16:03
read-only
16:03
<skeemer>
i wonder how firefox will like that
16:03
<Gadi>
each client has a read-write tmpfs overlay as an aufs
16:03
so, each client will be fine
16:04
<skeemer>
sweet
16:04
<Gadi>
in other words, all changes made on the client are in RAM
16:05
<skeemer>
wow, it takes a while to re-image
16:06
<Gadi>
the more you throw in there, the longer it takes
16:06
:)
16:06
but, I assume that once you have this canned, you won't be touching it much
16:07
<stgraber>
Gadi: hmm, that's really weird
16:08
Gadi: I just redirected the output of that line to a file and it's empty
16:08
though running the exact same command by hand returns the expected result
16:08
<Gadi>
did you add the doublequotes?
16:09
maybe its on stderr?
16:09
<stgraber>
yeah, that's with the double quotes
16:09
Gadi: nope, just tested ... it's stdout
16:12
Gadi: nothing on stdout and nothing on stderr
16:12
I just don't understand what's going on there :)
16:13
<Gadi>
on the server, it redirects fine
16:14
oh!
16:14
I know
16:14
<skeemer>
Gadi: its just looping, any way to figure out what the error is?
16:15
<Gadi>
try this one
16:15
:)
16:17* Gadi forgot the eval
16:17
<stgraber>
Gadi: worked :)
16:17
<Gadi>
stupid shell
16:17
YAY
16:17
a whole lot of work just because Windows uses spaces in group names
16:17
:P
16:18
<stgraber>
ok, updating my chroot now for a few more tests
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<stgraber>
Gadi: you rock :) it works just fine
16:21
I'll tag a new ltsp-trunk when I get back home
16:22
<Gadi>
cool
16:23
oh, and if you see vagrant, ask him not to cleanup the code in that script
16:23
:)
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<skeemer>
Gadi: it doesn't run
16:29
Gadi: i get "Denied access to client with invalid authorization data" but dunno if that's why
16:32
<Gadi>
can you pastebot your screen script
16:32
!pastebot
16:32
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"skeemer" pasted "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/firefox" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/258
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<skeemer>
it can't get much simpler
16:39
doh, i think i deleted too much
16:39
or maybe not, can't tell
16:41
<Gadi>
yeah, you did, I think
16:41
add back in:
16:41
-- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} ${X_ARGS} -br >/dev/null
16:41
<skeemer>
-- and on
16:42
<Gadi>
also, you may want:
16:42
if [ -x /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc ]; then
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xinitrc=/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc
16:42
fi
16:42
and:
16:42
xinit ${xinitrc} ...
16:42
that will call in all of LTSP's xinitrc.d/ scripts
16:42
which will be helpful
16:43
<skeemer>
common doesn't do that?
16:43
<Gadi>
no common pulls in functions
16:43
xinitrc.d/ has scripts for things like setting dpms, numlock status, language, and other stuff
16:44
<skeemer>
oh
16:44
<Gadi>
that needs to be set after the xserver is launched but before the session
16:44
it is located in the chroot's /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/
16:44
(useful in case you need it)
16:45
you can drop your own scripts there
16:45
<skeemer>
hmmm
16:45
so i would run that before xinit firefox... ?
16:45
<Gadi>
yeah - /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc is a wrapper
16:46
that sources all of the scripts in xinitrc.d
16:46
and then executes the command
16:46
so, you can get creative
16:46
:)
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<ltsppbot>
"skeemer" pasted "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/firefox" (41 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/259
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<Gadi>
ah!
16:50
<skeemer>
closer?
16:50
<Gadi>
you have 2 xinit lines
16:51
<skeemer>
xinit $rc firefox ... ?
16:51
<Gadi>
whats with the while loop at the bottom?
16:52
<skeemer>
in case they exit it just restarts
16:52
its in the default rdesktop
16:52
<Gadi>
the paste you have has an xinit before the while loop, too
16:52
which lacks the $xinitrc
16:52
er, actually the bottom one has it
16:52
er, the bottom one lacks it
16:52
the top one has it
16:53
just have one while loop
16:53
<skeemer>
xinit $rc firefox ... ?
16:54
<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "#!/bin/sh # # The following sc" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/260
16:55
<Gadi>
something like that
16:55
<skeemer>
ok
16:55
<stgraber>
sorry if it looks like I'm over-tagging today but I need something working in Ubuntu by tomorrow :)
16:55
<Gadi>
stgraber: no worries
16:56
is 2moro freeze?
16:56
<stgraber>
yeah
16:56
<Gadi>
nice
16:56
<stgraber>
I'll also tag a new ldm for that ltsp-cluster fix as it's quite annoying :) (you basically get a popup at every reboot :))
16:57* skeemer waits through another re-image
16:58
<stgraber>
what can I fix in ldm ? :) I don't want to tag a new release for a one-liner :)
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<stgraber>
doh, the only item I have on my list that I could have done to add something to that release is in a rc.d script but in the localapps code :(
17:02* stgraber goes with a one-line release ...
17:03
<Gadi>
stgraber: have we closed all the bugs?
17:04
<stgraber>
all the ones on my list at least :)
17:05
<Gadi>
hey, do you have that lil white geode around?
17:05
<skeemer>
Gadi: Fatal server error: Unrecognized option: /dev/null
17:06
<stgraber>
Gadi: yeah, just next to me
17:06
<Gadi>
skeemer: sorry there should be a redirect to /dev/nulll
17:06
in other words: >/dev/null
17:07
stgraber: I think I have a hunch as to the issue with it and the new geode driver
17:07
do you have a sec to try booting it?
17:07
<stgraber>
Gadi: new == Jaunty or Intrepid ?
17:07
<Gadi>
both, I think
17:08
I had issues in intrepid
17:08* skeemer re-images again
17:08
<stgraber>
well, the main issue with the white one is that I can't boot it due to the next-server bug :)
17:08
<skeemer>
know anything about speeding up the ubuntu boot time?
17:08
<stgraber>
but I have another Geode with similar hardware that does boot
17:08
and works with Intrepid and the geode driver
17:08
(with XAA forced and the geode driver forced as well)
17:08
<Gadi>
stgraber: are you sure that one is gx2 and not lx
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<stgraber>
I unfortunately don't have any LX other than an OLPC
17:09
I only have crappy GX2 :)
17:09
<Gadi>
then, it must be a bios difference
17:09
<stgraber>
make sure it's set to 16MB in the BIOS
17:09
<Gadi>
which bios does ur lil white one have?
17:09
GeodeROM or GSW?
17:10
heh - that typo you just fixed is something I do all the time
17:10
:P
17:10
especially when my variable starts with capital S
17:12
<stgraber>
it's AMD's xpressrom
17:12
166GX_0.01.16_128
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and the one on the white one is GeodeROM EE200_1.00.06
17:14
<Gadi>
yeah, the GeodeROM is old
17:15
not that that explains your next-server bug
17:15
have you tried setting it to PXE boot in the BIOS and then tell the PXE BIOS to boot 18h
17:15
(Ie according to order of the BIOS)
17:16
<stgraber>
I belive it's my current configuration
17:16
<Gadi>
in that case, have you tried int19h
17:16
boot network first
17:16
<stgraber>
int19h is nothing in the BIOS right /
17:16
?
17:16
<Gadi>
right
17:17
I think it is shift-f10 to get to the PXE bios
17:17
sometimes the BIOS PXE and the PXE PXE are different
17:17
or behave differently
17:18
<skeemer>
Gadi: bummer, it's just looping again
17:19
<Gadi>
whats the error?
17:20
is it looping within X or is X reinitializing?
17:20
<stgraber>
with 19h it just doesn't boot at all
17:20
<skeemer>
not sure, its loops before i can see it, is it being logged someplace?
17:20
X is reinitializing
17:20
<Gadi>
skeemer: do this:
17:20
install ssh in the chroot
17:20
so:
17:20
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
17:21
export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False
17:21
apt-get update
17:21
apt-get install ssh
17:21
passwd
17:21
(set root password)
17:21
passwd -u root
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<skeemer>
can i do it from [alt]-f1 screen?
17:21
<Gadi>
exit
17:21
do you have a root password set?
17:21
<skeemer>
doh
17:21
<Gadi>
:)
17:22
install ssh, that way, even if X is looping
17:22
you can ssh in and edit some things
17:22
<skeemer>
ahh, ic
17:22
<Gadi>
oh, and I guess while you are at it, you can add a sleep 5
17:22
after xinit
17:22
so you can see the error
17:22
<skeemer>
ok
17:22
<Gadi>
:)
17:24
<skeemer>
do i need to gen keys or anything?
17:24
<Gadi>
no
17:24
<skeemer>
nm
17:24
just saw the install script did it
17:25
and re-imaging
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<Gadi>
skeemer: once you can log in on the client itself,
17:26
you can make as many changes as you want
17:26
they won't persist
17:26
<skeemer>
ok
17:26
<Gadi>
but when you get the script as you like
17:27
scp it to the server
17:27
and put it in the chroot
17:27
<skeemer>
ic
17:27
<Gadi>
and reroll one last time
17:27
:)
17:27
its a good way to keep from going crazy
17:29
<skeemer>
i just hope getting the kiosk plugin working isn't going to be a pain
17:31
and now booting
17:31
<Lns>
ah, i love it when things work
17:31
Gadi: any update on the xcb madness? :)
17:32
<Gadi>
well, I just just installed my newly-rolled deb
17:32
have yet to log out and login to see what it did
17:32
<Lns>
right on
17:32
<Gadi>
(hopefully I didnt break anything)
17:32
<Lns>
just curious :)
17:33* Lns can hear the now silent computer labs a few miles away due to automated shutdown =)
17:34* skeemer wishes he wasn't in the same room as a few 1U servers with fans at 50%+
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17:34* Lns concurs with skeemer as he peers at his 1U servers sitting on the carpet next to him
17:35
<skeemer>
great, "account expired"
17:36
Gadi: did i miss something?
17:36
<Lns>
looks like you need to purchase a new account =p
17:36
<redspike>
anyone know howto get adobe to display .pdf files right, if the font is helvetica adobe reader cant display them can i download the helvetica font in some package?
17:37
<Lns>
skeemer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
17:37
<skeemer>
great... and i don't have a budget ;)
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<Gadi>
skeemer: did you: passwd -u root
17:37
in the chroot?
17:37
<skeemer>
nope
17:37
<Gadi>
nobody listens to me
17:37
<Lns>
redspike: do you HAVE to use adobe reader, or could you be using evince?
17:37
<Gadi>
I should go home to my family, where its expected
17:37
:)
17:38
<Lns>
Gadi: lol
17:38
<skeemer>
lol
17:38
<redspike>
Lns: its the same in evince :/
17:38
<Lns>
redspike: oh
17:39
<Gadi>
redspike: do you have msttcorefonts?
17:39
<Lns>
redspike: for *buntu, i see ttf-freefont, ttf-uralic and xfonts-mplus
17:42
Do you have to actually CREATE a pw for root in chroot, or just unlock it, for the account to be active for things like cron jobs?
17:43
jeez..now that i think about that, that's a pretty stupid question..haha
17:43
<Gadi>
for cron jobs, it doesnt even need to be unlocked
17:43
only for things that require authentication
17:43
<Lns>
Gadi: hmm. My cronjobs weren't running until i unlocked it
17:43
<Gadi>
really?
17:43
<skeemer>
odd
17:43
<Gadi>
oh, I guess cron must authenticate
17:43
<Lns>
yeah, unless i missed something really obvious
17:44
when i was testing autoshutdown..i kept scratching my head until i unlocked it and *poof*
17:44
<Gadi>
did you add cron jobs as root, or did you simply put them in /etc/cron/...
17:44
<Lns>
/etc/crontab
17:44
<Gadi>
hmm
17:44
<Lns>
(in chroot)
17:44
<Gadi>
would not have thought that you needed that either
17:45* Gadi stores that tidbit in back-of-brain
17:45* skeemer reboots client after following *all* of Gadi's instructions
17:45
<Lns>
though I'm probably going to change that when i write some sort of pgm to customize down/up times, and just use user submitted jobs
17:45
Gadi: don't quote me on it, but i'm 90% sure that was the issue
17:46
<skeemer>
Lns: i found a post claiming the same thing
17:46
<Lns>
woohoo! I'm not alone :p
17:46
<Gadi>
doesnt really make sense
17:46
because root is locked in ubuntu by default
17:46
yet, your server certainly runs cron jobs
17:47
<Lns>
Gadi: i'm not so sure about that actually, i remember a while back noticing i never had any running cronjobs
17:47
though they were supposed to be running
17:47
<Gadi>
unless *cron* cares but *anacron* doesnt
17:47
:P
17:47
<Lns>
ah
17:47
not sure.
17:47* Gadi shrugs
17:48
<Lns>
stupid cron, anyway. =p i was having fun for 2 hrs finding out i needed spaces instead of tab delimiters
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<Gadi>
gotta run, guys
17:55
good luck, skeemer
17:55
<skeemer>
hmm, xinit firefox from the prompt works fine
17:55
later
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<redspike>
i have som problem with my firefox, like "dropdown" menus takes about 3sec to view the problem is only in firefox. anyone know how to speed up this?
18:08
<Lns>
redspike: someone was just having this issue yesterday....was it Ahmuck ?
18:11
<redspike>
Lns: you know if he solved it?
18:13
<stgraber>
it's reported on LP
18:13
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/305531
18:14
please look at the bug, try doing the various tests described there and comment to the bug if you have anything to add
18:14
the more people complain the faster someone will dig into the problem ...
18:15
actually it's a XUL issue not firefox but firefox is the most known XUL application
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<redspike>
ahh ok
18:24
<Lns>
xulrunner sure seems like it has its fair share of issues
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<skeemer>
bummer, running firefox locally is way too slow on these boxes
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<skeemer>
what's the LDM_ thing i put in lts.conf to change the default .desktop loaded?
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<x3_SteveFromAcco>
hello
19:16
i need some help with running the k12ltsp for a project im doing at school
19:17
im 3 weeks new to linux but its for a competition
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<jammcq>
good evening friends
19:35
<mistik1>
hey old man :)
19:36
<jammcq>
hey buddy
19:36
how's it going?
19:36
<mistik1>
asside from fighting to get a client off windows, good
19:36* mistik1 must fix this keyboard repeat
19:38
<mistik1>
She has one Windows app she MUST have and of course it comes with a USB key
19:38
<jammcq>
oh, bummer
19:38
<mistik1>
It works in vmware but sloooow
19:38
trying to get virtualbox usb working now
19:39
someone at vmware needs a serious head check with that web interface thing
19:39
<jammcq>
hmm, I kinda like it
19:39
for vmware-server, anyway
19:40
for me, it's a great way to manage my vm's
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<mistik1>
I like the idea but 2.0 should simply not have been released
19:40
Its performance is crap
19:40
<jammcq>
I've been using 2.0 since it came out, and it's working pretty well. only problem I have is I have lots of disk-intensive things
19:41
my stuff is all server-based
19:41
I don't keep the web interface up, unless I need to configure a vm
19:41
<mistik1>
it works on for us on the quad core with 8gb RAM
19:41
<jammcq>
I'll connect up, create the new vm, start it running, then disconnect
19:41
<mistik1>
ok
19:42
<jammcq>
my development machine is a dual quad-core with 8gb and i've got 7 vm's running
19:42
vmware-server isn't intended to be used as a desktop OS
19:42
<mistik1>
We need the interface because we use it mostly for developing support for winders in some of our apps
19:42
<jammcq>
sounds like vmware-server isn't the right product for you
19:42
vmware-desktop is what you need
19:43
<mistik1>
prolly
19:45
<jammcq>
anyway, I've got some business to take care of, then I'll be back
19:45
<mistik1>
later bro
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<x3_SteveFromAcco>
hey could someone help me?
20:44
<Ryan52>
not unless you ask a question.
20:44
x3_SteveFromAcco: ^^
20:45
oh, I see you asked earlier.
20:45
hmm. k12ltsp is really old, I think...isn't that still ltsp 4?
20:46
ya, you should use k12linux.
20:46
x3_SteveFromAcco: do you have a reason for using k12ltsp instead of k12linux?
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<zanikus>
is neone around that can help with a fat client build on ubuntu hardy?
21:25
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
im having trouble configuring k12ltsp for a diskless thin client system
21:25
<Ryan52>
x3_SteveFromAcco: answer my question and I'll help.
21:26
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
im new to it but ill try
21:27
<Ryan52>
x3_SteveFromAcco: 18:45 < Ryan52> x3_SteveFromAcco: do you have a reason for using k12ltsp instead of k12linux?
21:28
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
i have talked to a guy that has a business that sets up server systems like wat im trying for my school project and he recommended k12ltsp
21:31
<Ryan52>
okay, well you won't find much (any?) help with
21:31
that.
21:31
"K12LTSP 5-EL, based on CentOS 5, but very old LTSP 4.2 which has been unmaintained since 2004."
21:31
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
hmm
21:31
i got most of it done
21:32
i can get the terminals that are attached to the server to grab an ip which means my dhcp is going through but it is not recognizing an operating system to boot to
21:32
<Ryan52>
okay, good. :)
21:32
"not recognizing an operating system to boot to"
21:32
what's telling you that?
21:33
and what exactly does it say?
21:33
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
it says no operating system found
21:34
<Ryan52>
what's "it"?
21:35
and you should really consider trying k12linux..
21:35
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
i configured the network card according to the guide and bridged it but none of my terminals will get to the OS. and "it" is my terminal that is connected to the server
21:36
will k12linux run for a diskless thinclient server
21:36
<johnny>
huh?
21:36
yes.. it is
21:36
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
ok
21:37
<Ryan52>
johnny, what?
21:37
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
yah i wish i could get irc at school so i could try talking to you guys while working
21:39
what is the difference from k12linux and k12ltsp
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<Ryan52>
k12linux is waaaaay newer.
21:39
k12linux is ltsp 5.
21:39
k12ltsp is ltsp 4.2.
21:40
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
here ill give u the website i got mine off of
21:40
<johnny>
x3_SteveFromAcco, you couldget on irc from school
21:40
there are tons of websites that offer web interface to irc
21:40
like mibbit
21:40
or mabber
21:40
or cgi-irc
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<x3_SteveFromAcco>
does it have it as a program running on the websit
21:41
<Alex_21>
Hey guys
21:42
What distro is best for LTSP?
21:42
<johnny>
best..
21:42
hard to say
21:42
<Ryan52>
Alex_21: "Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora have awesome integration" according to the topic.
21:42
<Alex_21>
Well, less resource intensive
21:42
<johnny>
they are all about the same
21:42
oh.. gf calling.. bbiab
21:43
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
srry ryan i was running k12linux
21:43
<Alex_21>
Well, what I want is a machine that serves to about fifty computers and just runs vnc and esd clients
21:43
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
i apologize ive only used linux for 3 weeks now
21:44
<Ryan52>
x3_SteveFromAcco, heh. ok.
21:44
<Alex_21>
How much RAM will I need
21:44
On the server that is
21:44
<Ryan52>
x3_SteveFromAcco: so anyway, I still don't understand what's telling you os isn't found...
21:44
x3_SteveFromAcco: is it the bios?
21:45
<Alex_21>
What os on what machine?
21:45
I need details here and maybe I can help
21:45
<Ryan52>
x3_SteveFromAcco: cause if the thin client has already connected to the server like you say, then that error is really weird..
21:45
Alex_21: 19:31 < x3_SteveFromAcco> i can get the terminals that are attached to the server to grab an ip which means my dhcp is going through but it is not recognizing an operating system to boot to
21:45
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
the only thing it is doing is while running pxe 2.0 it says no operating system found
21:46
<Ryan52>
weird error.
21:46
try running ltsp-vmclient.
21:46
<Alex_21>
Well, is the server image corupt
21:46
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
but one of my machines on the network shows that it is getting an ip
21:46
<Alex_21>
Or something
21:46
<Ryan52>
yes, one of the machines...
21:46
but not the machine that matters...
21:46
x3_SteveFromAcco: anyway, try with ltsp-vmclient. I trust that it works ;)
21:47
<Alex_21>
If it is getting an IP that means that dhcp is fine but says nothing about the kernel or image
21:47
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
is that a whole new install or just a downloadable client to put on the server
21:47
<Alex_21>
I think it is a client
21:48
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
My instructor said that it could possibly need a pxe boot client on the server so the terminals know which machine they need to get the OS from
21:48
<zanikus>
anyone have any idea why this kernel hangs on starting bluetooth? ive tried every fix i could find for similar issues but no dice
21:48
<Alex_21>
Hmm
21:48
<Ryan52>
ugh. fine, don't try my way...
21:49
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
no i just saw wat yours was and i am going to try it
21:49
<Alex_21>
So how much RAM should I need for what I want to do?
21:49
On the server
21:49
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
i just got to land this in 7 school days for my compitition
21:49
<Ryan52>
!doco
21:49
<ltspbot>
Ryan52: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
21:49
<Ryan52>
!doc
21:49
<ltspbot>
Ryan52: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
21:49
<Ryan52>
!docs
21:49
<ltspbot>
Ryan52: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
21:49
<Ryan52>
damnit sbalneav :P
21:50
Alex_21: look at that link.
21:50
Alex_21: it tells you the formula.
21:50* Ryan52 may never be able to train himself to *not* type "!doco" :P
21:50
<Alex_21>
I can't read that site
21:51
<Ryan52>
uhhh..ok?
21:51
<Alex_21>
It just aint working for me
21:51
<Ryan52>
"aint working"?
21:51
<Alex_21>
Sorry
21:51
Isn't working
21:52
<Ryan52>
ya, I get talking like that, I do it to :p...but what do you mean by "Isn't working"?
21:53
<Alex_21>
I can't read it as in my AT jumps all over the page and I can't follow tibbins
21:53
AT = Assistive Technology
21:54
<Ryan52>
oh, ok.
21:54
one second.
21:55
256 + (192 * users) MB
21:56
<x3_SteveFromAcco>
well thank you ryan and alex i will try out your ideas and i will inform you if they worked if i see you again
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<Alex_21>
Thanks
21:59
... how does that hold up for constant sound
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<Alex_21>
Streaming
22:04
Remember I want to use VNC and ESD
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