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Channel log from 17 August 2011   (all times are UTC)

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05:21
<bakytn>
hello, is there any way to customize LDM input boxes? just to make them larger the same (for username and password inputs)
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07:24
<bakytn>
Hello guys! is it possible to send a message to all of the LTSP users who are logged saying that the server is gonna be down for some time
07:24
like "The server will be restarted in 30 minutes, please be prepared"
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07:44
<bakytn>
!ubuntu
07:44
<ltsp>
bakytn: ubuntu: a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall.
07:51
<bobapple>
bakytn: you may want to use xauth and notify-send
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10:03
<bakytn>
about printers, I have to install the drivers into chroot and not in LTSP server right?
10:04
as they are installed as network pritners am I right that I actually need to install printer drivers on the server itself, is that correct?
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10:05
<alkisg>
bakytn: for thin clients, for localapps or for fat clients?
10:09
<bakytn>
not a fat clients
10:09
ok, let me start from the start
10:09
I am using Thin Clients (not fat clients) and connecting some printer
10:10
<alkisg>
Thin client applications run on the server
10:10
So you only manage one single pc, the server
10:10
<bakytn>
printing apps are not localapps
10:10
<bobapple>
you can share the printers, and just run cups on your ltsp server
10:10
<alkisg>
Whatever printer the server sees, the clients also see it
10:10
<bakytn>
bobapple, yes exactly. But where should I install drivers to, to chroot env or to the server
10:11
<alkisg>
So (just so you understand the concept better) your question is completely unrelated to ltsp, chroots etc
10:11
<bakytn>
alkisg, server sees the printer! the problem is with drivers (I am installing them)
10:11
<alkisg>
You just have one pc and one network printer
10:12
<bakytn>
alkisg, you are right...I got an answer to my question logically
10:12
<alkisg>
If your server cannot see the printer, or if you're having problems with drivers etc, the best place to ask is your distro channel
10:12
<bobapple>
but he sais that the server sees the printer
10:12
as long as the server is able to print, the clients should also be able
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11:02
<bakytn>
is anybody using likewise-open to join server to domain? I have one question which is annoying me a lot
11:09
<Hyperbyte>
Doesn't sound LTSP related, maybe #ubuntu is better place to ask this
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12:36
<Hyperbyte>
I have an OpenOffice file someone sent me, it has some quite funky markup...
12:36
When I print it, the client crashes. Not the actual server, but the client. Either it freezes completely (can't even alt+f# anymore to other screens), or X crashes
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12:48
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: how much RAM does the client have?
12:50
<Hyperbyte>
1GB
12:51
<alkisg>
Hm... weird
12:51
<Hyperbyte>
It only freezes during printing though... can do everything else with the document as far as I've tried
12:51
<alkisg>
For a workaround, you can print to file first, as a pdf, but I'd like to see the output of `top` and `xrestop` while you try to print that file frm openofice
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12:52
<mgariepy>
<Hyperbyte> it seems that ooo cache the print in X.
12:52
<Hyperbyte>
And actually only during printing of the first page, the one with all the markup. Pages 2 to 4 print fine.
12:52
<mgariepy>
which distro are you on ?
12:52
<Hyperbyte>
Ubuntu 11.04
12:54
mgariepy, any tips, or should I do the xrestop thing? :)
12:54
<mgariepy>
This bug should also be present on a i386 desktop
12:55
nop i haven't had time to see this through
12:56
i only tested a bit to reproduce the issue, when using a thin client with 4G for ram it was crashing too
12:56
if i added 2G of swap, X was dying because it was using too much memory (32 bit)
12:58
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: if you try the xrestop/top thing, remember that `top` needs to run locally, e.g. in ltsp-localapps xterm
12:58
<mgariepy>
if you find a solution tho i would be quite interested :)
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13:13
<mgariepy>
Hyperbyte, are you using compiz ?
13:13
<Hyperbyte>
Nope, nor Unity. Just classic Gnome.
13:13
<mgariepy>
ok
13:14
<alkisg>
It'd also be nice to see if it crashed from a standalone, non-ltsp client
13:14
Hyperbyte: can you mail me the problematic file?
13:16
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, sure.
13:16
I just got it from a collegue.
13:16
It's a .doc file
13:17
<mgariepy>
if i remember well, in xrestop i wasn't seeing anything when printing, the memory used for caching was going up and was never released.
13:17
<Hyperbyte>
Which has probably everything to do with it (i.e, not optimized for OpenOffice printing perhaps, or lots of markup OpenOffice doesn't understand)
13:17
<mgariepy>
i had the issue with odt as well.
13:18
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, sent.
13:18
<alkisg>
Got it
13:22
Print to file worked, from the server... I'll try from a client
13:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, last time. I am working on differentiating lts.confs based on processor count, but can't figure out a good way to tell the server what hardware the client has
13:31
I could scp a file to tmp, but that seems "dirty" to me
13:32
inventory would work on the client, but running "ltsp-localapps inventory" in a script has no return, so I can't test against the inventory list from the server side
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13:34
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: didn't ltsp_config.d work for you?
13:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: is that a default directory?
13:35
<alkisg>
Yes
13:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
in 10.04?
13:36
should be in /opt/ltsp/i386 right
13:36
?
13:36
<alkisg>
Like I said the last time, anything you drop in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d/ gets executed and the results get in the client environment
13:36
So you can check /proc/cpuinfo there, and export the lts.conf vars you want
13:37
If you want, you can pastebin the code you need and we can have a look if it seems ok
13:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so I have a script set up right now to test that. Is the lts.conf differentiated by filename, or by something internally?
13:37
like [multiple_cpus] and [single_cpus]
13:39
<alkisg>
A quick hack would be to put a script like that in that dir:
13:39
if [ $(grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l) -gt 1 ]; then multicore=true; fi
13:39
if [ -n "$multicore" ]; then LTSP_FATCLIENT=True; fi
13:39
That would set LTSP_FATCLIENT=True only for multicore clients
13:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
aah, and that
13:39
's appended to the lts.conf it's already read then?
13:39
is that correct?
13:39
<alkisg>
Yes
13:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, GREAT
13:40
thanks
13:40
<alkisg>
I forgot to put "export" there though
13:40
export LTSP_XXX=yyy
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13:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
wait what?
13:40
<alkisg>
if [ -n "$multicore" ]; then export LTSP_FATCLIENT=True; fi
13:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
aah
13:40
<tl1000s77>
Hello everyone. Quick question, how would I setup a thing client to have sound if my SCREEN_7 = rdesktop? I've tried setting RDP_OPTIONS = -r sound:local but that didn't work.
13:41
<alkisg>
tl1000s77: distro/version?
13:41
<tl1000s77>
ubuntu 10.04
13:41
<alkisg>
It has a bug with the rdp script, let me find the launchpad page for it...
13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
thx alkis
13:42
<alkisg>
In the meantime, you can try "SCREEN_07=rdesktop -r sound:local" to see if it works that way
13:42
Without RDP_OPTIONS
13:42
_UsUrPeR_: you're welcome
13:42
<tl1000s77>
I'll try it now.
13:43
<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/682706
13:43
That's the bug that describes the problem, you can get the newer rdesktop screen script from upstream to solve it, if `SCREEN_07=rdesktop params` doesn't work.
13:44
I've backported a newer ltsp version that contains the fix in my ppa, if you prefer that
13:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: so that I am sure about the directory, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d does not exist by default on an ltsp client image does it?
13:48
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I think it doesn't, yet it's used if you create it
13:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok great
13:48
just making sure I don't have some weird version issue
13:48
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: Remember you don't need to put #!/bin/sh in the top of the script in that dir
13:48
They're sourced, not executed
13:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh nice
13:49
ok
13:49
<alkisg>
Of course you need ltsp-update-image on every change in /opt/ltsp/i386/*
13:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
well yeah :)
13:54
<tl1000s77>
alkisg: SCREEN_07=rdesktop params didn't work. How would I fix this?
13:56
<alkisg>
tl1000s77: can you pastebin your current lts.conf?
13:56
Hyperbyte: no crash here with 10.04 and a client with 768 RAM
13:57
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, how are you printing? With jetdirect?
13:57
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: no, to a printer attached to the ltsp server
13:57
So normal cups
13:57
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I have normal cups as well, but it's configured to send to jetdirect socket.
13:58
I read somewhere in some bug report that this actually happens mostly on HP laserjet printers. I figured it might be jetdirect related.
13:58
<alkisg>
It might be printer-specific (I think ppd files contain code), or even 11.04 specific
13:58
<tl1000s77>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/8pESDW6e
13:59
<Hyperbyte>
PPD files don't really contain code, more settings and variables for the CUPS code to use for this printer.
13:59
It goes quite deed though, could definitely be there.
13:59
*deed->deep
14:00
<alkisg>
They contain ps code snippets, don't they?
14:00
Anyway, to deep, right
14:00
<Hyperbyte>
If that's what you mean with code, then yeah. :)
14:00
<alkisg>
tl1000s77: the easiest way would be to get a newer ltsp version, want me to write the commands to temporarily add my ppa?
14:00
<tl1000s77>
alkisg: please
14:00
<alkisg>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
14:00
add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr/proposed
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apt-get update
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apt-get dist-upgrade
14:01
<Hyperbyte>
Anyway, if there's something wrong with the PPD, could it seriously crash X on the client?
14:01
<alkisg>
tl1000s77: and, right after that: rm /ts.sch.gr-proposed-lucid.list
14:01
exit, ltsp-update-image
14:01
The "rm" at the end is so that you don't keep my repository permanately, you just use it once
14:02
Sorry
14:02
rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ts.sch.gr-proposed-lucid.list
14:02
Forgot the path there
14:03
Ah, and add-apt-repository might be missing from the default ltsp chroot. Let me see...
14:03
<tl1000s77>
I got an error at add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr/proposed
14:03
<alkisg>
Try installing add-apt-repository: apt-get install python-software-properties
14:07
<tl1000s77>
Should I disconnect NBD devices?
14:07
<alkisg>
It doesn't matter
14:07
<tl1000s77>
I have users using it
14:08
<alkisg>
It's in the chroot, right?
14:08
<tl1000s77>
yes
14:08
<alkisg>
It shouldn't have access to the server... but... hmmm... bugs happen...
14:08
<tl1000s77>
lol...ok. I'll try it
14:09
<alkisg>
It's asking about *unknown* clients anyway, so your answer doesn't matter, but if it were to restart the server nbd, then yeah your clients would have problems
14:17
(btw the nbd update wasn't related to my ppa, it's in lucid-updates)
14:18
<tl1000s77>
ok, I did everything and still no sound
14:18
it also seems to be passing the user root
14:19
<alkisg>
In your lts.conf, append SCREEN_02=shell and reboot the client to troubleshoot the problem
14:20
Yes with the new script, if you're using the one-liner syntax then you're supposed to provide the complete command line, so you should also put `-u ''` there, but never mind that for now
14:20
Or just use RDP_OPTIONS, it should work now, and it's easier for your use case
14:21
But do append the SCREEN_02=shell line so that we see the exact command line that rdesktop uses, maybe you have a typo somewhere?
14:21
Also, if you're *only* using rdesktop on clients, there's no point in using pulseaudio, so you might put SOUND=False in lts.conf too
14:22
All those under your [mac-section] of course
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<tl1000s77>
should I comment out SCREEN_07?
14:24
<alkisg>
No, we want both of them
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<alkisg>
tl1000s77: once you've rebooted your client, press alt+ctrl+f2 to switch to vt2, run `ps -ef > /tmp/ps.output`, `scp /tmp/ps.output user@server:`, and pastebin it
14:33
(replace user with an existing username)
14:34
<tl1000s77>
It
14:34
It's saying that there is an error in my lts.conf file on line 11...line 11 is RDP_SERVER = "172.16.1.102"
14:35
<alkisg>
Hm... can you pastebin your lts.conf again? Also, you don't use CRLFs, right? (windows-style line ends)
14:36
<tl1000s77>
http://pastebin.com/duQZr07C
14:37
<alkisg>
You can verify that if you run: $ file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
14:37
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf: UTF-8 Unicode text (or it might say ascii text, but not with CRLF line ends)
14:37
<tl1000s77>
root@thinserver7:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386# file lts.conf
14:37
lts.conf: ASCII text
14:38
should I be using -n "172.16.1.102"?
14:39
<alkisg>
tl1000s77: SCREEN_07 = "rdesktop -d ssww -u '' -r sound:local"
14:43
<tl1000s77>
ps.output http://pastebin.com/zb0k5m6M
14:44
<alkisg>
tl1000s77: and still no sound?
14:47
You can also try this from vt2: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Left.wav
14:48
And, you can disable pulseaudio by putting SOUND=False in lts.conf, under that client section
14:49
<tl1000s77>
Does the server need to have a sound card installed for sound to work on the thin clients?
14:49
<alkisg>
I don't think so
14:49
<tl1000s77>
ok, then still no sound
14:49
<Gadi>
you have a syntax error: remove the -u ''
14:49
and put the whole rdesktop line in doublequotes
14:50
<alkisg>
Gadi, he did put it in doublequotes, it should be working now
14:50
<Gadi>
nope
14:50
lts.conf hates single quotes anywhere
14:50
remove -u ''
14:50
<alkisg>
Gadi, I think I verified that it works with the new ltsp code ;)
14:50
<Gadi>
hmm
14:50
<alkisg>
If single quotes are withing double quotes, that is
14:50
<Gadi>
still worth trying
14:51
<alkisg>
Sure. But, before rebooting, tl1000s77, can you see if aplay works?
14:51
aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Left.wav
14:51
in screen_02 (vt2)
14:51
<Gadi>
also, why use RDP_SERVER separately?
14:51
usually one uses RDP_OPTIONS + RDP_SERVER
14:51
or not at all
14:52
<alkisg>
The final command in ps is: rdesktop -d ssww -u  -r sound:local 172.16.1.102
14:52
<tl1000s77>
ok, the aplay /usr... worked... but when I change to SCREEN_07 and go to youtube to play a video, no sound
14:52
<alkisg>
Which seems about right
14:52
But OK go ahead and try what gadi suggested
14:53
E.g. use RDP_OPTIONS like you had before, before hitting the bug
14:53
<Gadi>
also make sure Audio mapping is enabled in Windows (disabled by default)
14:53
<tl1000s77>
audio mapping is turned on the server, it's server 2008 r2
14:54* alkisg would try SOUND=False too
14:55
<alkisg>
To completely disable pulseaudio, as you don't need it for that client
14:59
<tl1000s77>
from vt2 i have sound but not from the rdesktop session
14:59
<alkisg>
tl1000s77: if you have a standalone, non-ltsp client, you can try rdesktop from there (within gnome) to verify it's not a windows-side problem
15:01
<tl1000s77>
I think it's on the server side, when I open up Volume Mixer, it says "No audio device is installed"
15:01
<alkisg>
The ltsp server shouldn't matter at all
15:01
It's not used for rdesktop sessions
15:01
Ah, you mean the windows server? Yeah look there
15:02
<tl1000s77>
yes, server 2008
15:02
<alkisg>
First, try from windows client to windows server
15:02
Once you get that working, you can try ltsp
15:05
<tl1000s77>
will do. Thanks for all your help. I'll let you know how I make out
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<tl1000s77>
okay, I got it working through rdesktop on my linux box...but no luck from ltsp
15:25
<alkisg>
Did you try SOUND=False?
15:25
<tl1000s77>
yes
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<alkisg>
If you use the same command line (in ps output vs the linux box), I don't see why it wouldn't work... anyway gotta go, bbl
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<tl1000s77>
I tried it with and without
15:31
again thanks for all your help today :-)
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<Zarrku>
Hello, I have changed the nic in my ltsp server and I of course I can't boot thin clients
17:05
How do I fix this problem
17:06
I am using ubuntu 10.10
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17:10
<Hyperbyte>
Zarrku, probably udev has renamed the device and now network configuration isn't recognizing it
17:10
<Zarrku>
Yes, I believe so
17:10
<Hyperbyte>
You need to remove udev persistent rules... if memory serves, /etc/udev.d/70-persistent-net-rules, but I'm at an Ubuntu machine at the moment
17:10
*not
17:10
So can't check.
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<Hyperbyte>
Actually it's /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
17:12
If you remove that, it should automagically work again.
17:16
(should I mention you need to reboot after removing that file?)
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<Zarrku>
Well, I tried it Hyper and it did not work, any ideas
17:50
How does ltsp tell my second nic top be a ltsp DCHP
17:50
to no top
17:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
Zarrku: that's the exact thing I would have told you to do
17:50
did you reboot your server?
17:51
Zarrku: answer this: how many NICs do you have?
17:55
<Zarrku>
2
17:55
yes I rebooted
17:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
Zarrku: ok, open your /etc/uder/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file with your favorite editor
17:56
<Zarrku>
okay
17:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
inside there, you should see a list of interfaces
17:56
<Zarrku>
I do
17:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
one will be labeled as eth0, the other eth1
17:56
<Zarrku>
yep
17:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
just switch the interface labels dude
17:56
then reboot
17:56
booyaw
17:56
sounds like your second card was detecting as your first
17:56
after you re-installed
17:57
it's kind of an arbitrary process
17:57
so again, where you see "eth0", replace with "eth1"
17:57
and do the same in reverse for the "eth1" interface
17:57
you don't even need to change the order in the .rules file
18:01* Gadi reflects on the sad lack of the use of "booyaw" in online wikis
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18:06
<Zarrku>
I did follow instructions, the thin client stil aren't getting a dhcp
18:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
is your dhcp server running presently?
18:07
what ver of ubuntu?
18:07
<Zarrku>
It was before I changed the NICs out
18:07
10.10
18:09
basically my mother had a dimm slot die
18:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
huh
18:10
ok, so "service dhcp3-server status"
18:12
<Zarrku>
I had to change the motherboard with the same motherboard, but of course the macs or different
18:13
Service dchp3-server
18:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah
18:14
ok, again: I just want to know if your dhcp server is running
18:15
check /var/log/syslog for DHCP errors
18:15
should be along the bottom
18:15
saying that there was a problem with something
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<Hyperbyte>
Zarrku, still there?
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18:28
<Zarrku>
yes
18:28
I am here
18:28
pulling my hair out at the moment
18:28
hehe
18:29
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
18:29
!pastebin
18:29
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here..
18:29
<Hyperbyte>
Pastebin the output of the following commands
18:29
<Zarrku>
okay
18:29
<Hyperbyte>
cat /etc/uder/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
18:29
ifconfig
18:29
cat /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<Zarrku>
will do
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<Hyperbyte>
If you need help with the commands or pastebin or something let me know.
18:43
<Xarrku>
you paste the test from the file into paste bin correct
18:43
<Hyperbyte>
The output from the commands, but essentially, yeah.
18:43
You could just run those commands in a terminal one by one
18:43
Then paste the whole thing from top to bottom
18:44
You can paste from a terminal by selecting, and then pressing middle mouse button in your favorite web browser.
18:44
(while the text is still selected)
18:46
<Xarrku>
http://pastebin.com/EdWJaMSx
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<Gadi>
Xarrku: you running in a virtual machine? 60 is an odd first octet for a MAC address
18:56
<Xarrku>
no vms
18:56
<Gadi>
can you pastebin your ifconfig
18:59
<Xarrku>
http://pastebin.com/6MVYnhnN
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19:02
<Gadi>
anything in /etc/default/dhcp3-server
19:02
?
19:03
if it says INTERFACES="eth0", change to INTERFACES="eth1"
19:03
and restart dhcp3-server
19:05
<Xarrku>
it qw
19:05
it was blank
19:06
how do you restart the dhcp3-server with restarting
19:06
<Gadi>
and when you restart dhcp3-server and do a: tail -100 /var/log/syslog
19:06
does dhcp server start up ok?
19:07
if it does, then make sure you don't have your cables swapped
19:07
or something
19:08
<Xarrku>
cable are correct, how do you restart the dhcp server with a command
19:09
<Gadi>
sudo service dhcp3-server restart
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<Xarrku>
that worked so far
19:12
I am going to reboot my server
19:12
to make sure it keeps working
19:12
Thank you, for your help
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19:12
<Hyperbyte>
eh
19:13
<Zarrku>
still here
19:13
Thanks, alot
19:13
<Hyperbyte>
You're welcome
19:13
My Freenode connection is a bit unstable for some reason. :\
19:13
<Zarrku>
I'm not sure why the thing blanked out
19:14
I guess it removed it when the new nic was detected
19:14
thats so very strange
19:15
<Hyperbyte>
It's not. Ubuntu uses NetworkManager, which does a lot of network configuration automatically
19:15
It's very easy, but can be a pain in the ass for doing things you don't want.
19:26
<Zarrku>
I agree
19:26
Its gonna be a pain in my ass in tommorrows manager meeting, hah
19:27
<Hyperbyte>
You're using LTSP in a company environment?
19:27
<Zarrku>
yes I am
19:27
<Hyperbyte>
Then it's easy
19:27
<Zarrku>
I run a six core dell server
19:28
<Hyperbyte>
You need a second server, with identical hardware, and identical software. Then you can test properly, and/or even prevent this.
19:28
That, or make a backup harddisk, so the moment you notice something doesn't work, you can undo any hardware changes, and swap harddisk.
19:28
<Zarrku>
I wish we could
19:28
<Hyperbyte>
Or... do this during weekends! ;-)
19:30
Or... hang around more in this channel, so you get more LTSP knowledge. ;-)
19:31
<Zarrku>
we do back-ups, however it was with the old motherboard in it
19:31
I wish I could do vmware with it
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<Zarrku>
what do you recommend for back-up for ubuntu
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19:39
<Zarrku>
I'm using luckybackup at the present time
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<Hyperbyte>
Zarrku: crontab + rsync + cp
19:47
Just script it. :)
19:47
crontab for running the scripts on certain times, rsync for doing incremental backups, cp for doing whole backups.
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19:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all
19:56
I am wrigint a script to go in the ltsp image's /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/ directory
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<_UsUrPeR_>
which will touch a file in the mounted user's home directory from the client on login
19:56
I am using iceWM
19:57
for some reason, variables like $USER and $HOME are not recognized :/
19:57
so I can't toss the file in the user's home dir
19:57
<Hyperbyte>
_UsUrPeR_, how is the home directory mounted?
19:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
Hyperbyte: normal LTSP mounting. what is it? nfs?
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
Depends. What distro/version?
19:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
10.04
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
Ubuntu uses NBD.
19:58
Which means the client image is only updated on the server once ltsp-update-image is ran, and only on the client once it reboots.
19:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
when the client mounts a logged in user's home directory, it's using NBD?
19:59
<Hyperbyte>
eh, no, that's sshfs.
19:59
Sorry, I'm thinking a bit backwards.
19:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, well I am having a problem with that portion.
20:00
<alkisg>
If you want to touch something in the user home directory, why do you need to do it in the chroot?
20:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
the script does not appear to understand $HOME and $USER
20:00
<alkisg>
Just do it on the server, /etc/xdg/autostart
20:00
<Hyperbyte>
What he said.
20:00
:)
20:00
<alkisg>
In the client, you have LDM_USERNAME
20:00
In the server, you have USER etc
20:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: because this is a touch resulting from a certain hardware profile derrived after boot on the client
20:00
<alkisg>
You can export the variable on the client, and test for it on the server
20:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
If I am using IceWM, is $LDM_USERNAME still set?
20:01
because I am not able to echo it :/
20:01
(once logged in)
20:01
<Hyperbyte>
_UsUrPeR_, are you still trying to get different lts.conf files for processor types?
20:01
And this is your way of doing it?
20:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
nope. past that. lts.conf will not work without gnome anyway
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<alkisg>
Errr why is that?
20:02
I think people here use ltsp with kde etc...
20:02
lxde, you name it
20:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
specifically for LOCAL_APPS_MENU
20:02
<alkisg>
I think that part uses the xdg standard, so it should work for any DE that respects the standards
20:03
I.e. XDG_DATA_DIRS etc
20:03
<Hyperbyte>
So what exactly are you trying to do, with all this touch and stuff? What's the problem you're trying to fix?
20:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
we are trying to make sure that a client that is capable of running local apps does so, while the clients that cannot, do not
20:03
<alkisg>
And the touch part?
20:03
What does that do?
20:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
so I need to put "ltsp-localapps" in front of commands on a client with a very exact profile
20:04
the touch part will put a file inside the user's directory, which will then be referenced on the server
20:04* alkisg didn't get it yet...
20:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
when you run a wrapper script, it will check that user's home directory to see if the file exists, if it does, it will put ltsp-localapps in front of the requested command
20:04
if not, it will run the command on the server
20:05
<alkisg>
Why not check for an environment variable instead?
20:05
E.g. LOCAL_APPS?
20:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
expand on that a little
20:05
I have the funny feeling I am going out of my way right now
20:05
<alkisg>
You want to touch a file from the client and check it on the server
20:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
correcy
20:06
err correct
20:06
<alkisg>
Instead of touching a file, you can just export a variable
20:06
E.g. currently LTSP_CLIENT is exported
20:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
exporting from a client will show up on the server?
20:06
<alkisg>
Try it, echo $LTSP_CLIENT from an ltsp client in ICEWM or whatever
20:06
Yes
20:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
so say I set LTSP_CLIENT_001="go" on the client...
20:06* _UsUrPeR_ checks this
20:07
<Hyperbyte>
Haha, didn't know that. That's cool!
20:07
!alkisg
20:07
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail..
20:07
<alkisg>
Damn I need to remember to change that so that is says bad command or file name :P
20:07
<Hyperbyte>
All hail alkisg!
20:07* Hyperbyte takes a bow :>
20:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok, so I was just now attempting to do as you said. As root on my client, I set a variable -- " THING=stuff "
20:08
I was able to echo that on the client -- " echo $THING ". it returned "stuff"
20:08
<alkisg>
OK Hyperbyte just wait until you see what !Hyperbyte will say in a few days :D
20:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
go to the server " echo $THING "
20:08
<Hyperbyte>
_UsUrPeR_, you have to do it before user login I'm sure.
20:09
I think it's transferred to the server during user login, correct?
20:09
<alkisg>
su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c "$CLIENT_ENV $MY_LANG DISPLAY=$DISPLAY ICEAUTHORITY=$ICEAUTHORITY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY $LDM_XSESSION $LDM_SESSION"
20:09
So you need to put it in CLIENT_ENV
20:09
But, let's take another step back
20:09
The problem here is icewm, isn't it?
20:10
Because in gnome, the localapps menu would just work, right?
20:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
I don't want to point fingers, but this is a constraint I absolutely must work with.
20:10
correct. in gnome, it would just work
20:10
<alkisg>
So, if you're going to solve a problems, why not solve the icewm problem instead?
20:10
I.e. hack ltsp a bit so that it creates the menus that icewm wants
20:10
Instead of creating the xdg ones
20:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
where are those menus created?
20:10
err with what?
20:11
because I am all about that
20:11
<alkisg>
No idea, I've never seen icwm. But I think that's the way to go :D
20:11
I.e. figure out what you need to do with icewm menus, and then come here and ask about how to do it in ltsp
20:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, I know where iceWM's stuff goes\
20:11
it's quite simple
20:11
I am trying to figure out where ltsp makes menu changes
20:12
<alkisg>
ldm/rc.d/X02-genmenu
20:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
secondly, at that point, how do i differentiate between the two client hardware varieties?
20:12
<alkisg>
You just need something similar for icewm
20:13
if [ -n "$multicore" ] ...
20:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
lts.conf won't help there, and I can't just use a simple MAC address scheme
20:13
<alkisg>
You already have that in the client environment from ltsp_config.d
20:13
Or you can just grep /proc/cpuinfo directly there
20:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
yep
20:13
ok
20:13
that makes sense
20:13
then I can just set LOCAL_APPS_MENU = true for those units
20:13
gotcha
20:14
<alkisg>
So to sum up, what you want is to create a single file, X02-genmenu-for-icewm
20:14
Nothing else
20:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
I'll be sure to document for posterity
20:15
<Hyperbyte>
_UsUrPeR_, yeah, put it on the Ubuntu LTSP wiki!
20:17
<alkisg>
If it's implemented properly, e.g. (1) check if icewm is present (2) check if localapps menu is enabled (3) generate the icewm menu, then I don't see why it wouldn't go upstream instead of the wiki
20:18
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I think you can't check if IceWM is used from the client, can you?
20:18
<Gadi>
you do know icewm can call gnome menu?
20:18
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: Sure, the ssh socket can be used for that. /me also reminds everyone that he hasn't seen icewm at all :D
20:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: guh?
20:19
<Gadi>
sure - icewm since forever had the ability to use a gnome menu in its menu
20:19
<Hyperbyte>
Haha, I can't believe how we've been talking here for half an hour, and at least six possible solutions have passed by, each one a little better than the previous one. =D
20:20* Hyperbyte loves #ltsp
20:20
<alkisg>
The next one would be "hey the new icewm version supports the xdg standards, just upgrade" :P
20:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: I never installed gnome on the server though
20:21
<Gadi>
ah
20:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
though the menu would work... I mean...
20:21
installing a new window manager would cause a lot of problems, and confuse a customer
20:21
<Gadi>
well, you can try apt-get install icewm-gnome-support
20:22
This package provides all files needed for IceWM to enable GNOME
20:22
related features.
20:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
I don't have a problem writing something that does not require gnome/related stuff
20:22
though this is something I will need to check out
20:22
>_>
20:22
<Gadi>
I suspect that package will depend on whatever it needs
20:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah
20:23
<Gadi>
but, then I guess your exercise would be in paring down the regular menu
20:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
it's only the one package...
20:23
<Gadi>
which may not be why you chose icewm to begin with
20:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, I already have a nice succinct menu :/
20:23
<Gadi>
most choose icewm so they can build a menu from nothing
20:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
we have 2 options by default
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<Gadi>
another simple approach would be to set an Xatom in an ldm/rc.d script and then have a server side launcher script that launches ltsp-localapps if needed
20:27
ie. if the Xatom is present
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20:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
I have seen the xatomwait function used... someplace...
20:28
but I don't recall where >_>
20:29
<Gadi>
if [ needs_localapps ]; then xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set NEEDS_LOCALAPPS "1"
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fi
20:29
and then on the server,
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xprop -root NEEDS_LOCALAPPS
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<_UsUrPeR_>
mmmhmm
20:33
ok
20:33
<Gadi>
appropriately parsed
20:33
:)
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20:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
of course
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<Gadi>
oops
20:34
yeah, so my line is not exactly correct
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but, you get the idea
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I do indeeed
20:36
I'll give this a shot
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20:46
<alkisg>
Sidenote: CLIENT_ENV="VAR=value" in lts.conf gets VAR=value in the environment of the server processes
20:46
The same is true for rc.d or ltsp_config.d scripts
20:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
interesting
20:47
is that prior to, the user login?
20:47
<alkisg>
That's what I was suggesting above, with the single X02-genmenu-for-icewm file
20:47
Yes, X02 is prior to user login, which happens on X95-run-x-session
20:48
Remember to use CLIENT_ENV="$CLIENT_ENV VAR=value" in rc.d scripts, so that you don't erase the previous value
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<Gadi>
be careful, though, because I am not sure if a launcher script from an icewm launcher will inherit that env
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<alkisg>
I think it will, same as with LTSP_CLIENT, DISPLAY etc
20:49
<Gadi>
if so, it is easier than an xatom for sure
20:49
<alkisg>
I tried it with gnome, and I could see the env var in gnome-terminal inside the session
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