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Channel log from 23 June 2011   (all times are UTC)

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08:10
<Parker955>
TheMatrix3000, what do you use for your thin clients?
08:10
<TheMatrix3000>
have ubuntu with ltsp-server installed
08:11
since i have dhcp on my pfsense
08:11
so to install ltsp on ubuntu server
08:11
you need to run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ltsp-server
08:11
that's if you have dhcp on a firewall or something else
08:11
<Parker955>
I'm running the installer for ubuntu with the ltbp option
08:12
<TheMatrix3000>
ah, that works too, i guess
08:12
<Parker955>
but like what do you use for your thin clients tho?
08:12
<TheMatrix3000>
i have a mix of p3 computers
08:12
p4s
08:12
just a big mix
08:12
<Parker955>
ahh
08:12
<TheMatrix3000>
all the thin clients have at least 1gb ram
08:12
<Parker955>
ya I'm looking to see if I can get some small hp thin client
08:12
<TheMatrix3000>
it's impressive how much you don't need on the comps
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<TheMatrix3000>
well they cost about 200/thin client
08:13
we passed on them last purchase because we could build faster computers with more ram for less
08:13
<Parker955>
http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Multiseat-T100-Client-Academic/dp/B003B8CCS6
08:13
for $15 how can I go wrong eh
08:15
<alkisg>
That's multiseat, without ethernet, right? So it can't be used with ltsp...
08:16
<Parker955>
ya I'm looking at it more and am thinking it doesn't support it
08:16
<TheMatrix3000>
we built 10 2.4ghz 2gb ram dual cores
08:16
wow
08:16
that is crazy
08:17
no lan port
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so it wont work
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<alkisg>
It's part of a specific hp multiseat-based solution, you need also the server part of the hardware for this
08:17
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
08:17
that doesn't work
08:19
you need ethernet
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<Parker955>
ya I know I just didn't really look up the docs that much on that one
08:19
lol
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<TheMatrix3000>
yea, you will prolly spend about $200USD/thin client
08:20
for a decent one
08:20
maybe more or less depending on how much ram you need
08:20
<Parker955>
one with a 1ghz proc 1gb ram and no hdd with gigabit for $70
08:21
<TheMatrix3000>
it's all preference
08:21
<Guerdal82|atWork>
you could use Zotac => www.zotac.com (interesting for fat client) :-)
08:21
amd zacate e350 double core 1,6 Ghz
08:25
<TheMatrix3000>
anyone here using nfs and ltsp?
08:27* alkisg is
08:28
<TheMatrix3000>
what do you use for your nfs server
08:28
or what do you recommend
08:30
<alkisg>
We have small labs of 10-12 pcs here, so we're just using the ltsp server as the nfs server
08:30
(mainly for fat clients)
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<Guerdal82|atWork>
here actually an HP server with Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5405 @ 2.00GHz and 4Go for 25 thin client HP 5735 (in thin client mode)
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<TheMatrix3000>
oh wow
08:41
yea, alkisg i have about 60 pcs here all thin clients
08:41
lol
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<TheMatrix3000>
im thinking about using freenas as a nfs server
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<Parker955>
yo TheMatrix3000 mat did you put for the filename to get the thin client to boot from pxe?
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<Parker955>
woo nevermind
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<alkisg>
Debian/LXDE ftw! Just 26 MB RAM in use for a full X session: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4024.0;attach=2512;image
10:09
Perfect for fallback local installations for ancient labs, in case the ltsp server goes down
10:24
<Parker955>
any you guys know why an ltsp client would be extremely slow?
10:24
the server is undel little to no load at the moment
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<alkisg>
Parker955_Away: client RAM? CPU? Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=True or false?
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<Parker955>
it has 512mb ram and a 1.6ghz intel centrino proc
10:58
and I haven't poked around with the settings that much I just set it up lol
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<alkisg>
Parker955: read the man page for LDM_DIRECTX, it offers much better performance at a security cost
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<Parker955>
kk
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thanks
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<TheMatrix3000>
yea LDM_DIRECTX makes a huge difference
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<Parker955>
put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
11:54
?
12:02
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
12:02
wait n
12:02
oo
12:02
no
12:03
it's in tftpboot i think
12:03
give me a second
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<Parker955>
ya I put it in the tftp boot also
12:03
there wasn't an lts.conf in the tftpboot
12:03
but I aded one
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<TheMatrix3000>
yea your supposed to have to add one
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<Parker955>
still slow as hell but I'll figure it out later I gotta do other crap then sit on the computer all day :p
12:08
thanks guys tho
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<Ghidorah>
Does anyone have localapps + printing working? I've been unable to get any printers to show up with localapps. I have cups installed in the ltsp-image. The CUPS error_log says " Report: printers=3" but no printers how up when I attempt to print.
12:54
Printing does work for non-localapps
12:54
<alkisg>
Where is the printer? On the ltsp server?
12:55
<Ghidorah>
Printer/CUPs installed on the LTSP-Cluster root server. LTSP App server sees the printers (shared via CUPS)
12:56
<abeehc>
haqve you got cups_server set in lts.conf?
12:56
<alkisg>
Ah no idea about cluster. But generally you need to share the printer (check [v] publish printers) on the server, and check [v] show printers from other systems (or similar, I don't have english menus) on the client
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<abeehc>
yeah on the cups server you need to make sure it's allowing your thincliet subnet browse access to the printers
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<Ghidorah>
Printing is quickly becoming the bane of my existence. I think I should push a green policy in my school
13:09
down with printers!
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<pedronveloso>
I've a camera that connects to USB to transfer files, but the client machines are not showing it when I connect the camera. if I connect a normal USB stick the client does recognize. what I'm I doing wrong?
13:33
<TheMatrix3000>
any document out there that can tell me how to connect my ltsp server to a nfs share so i can map /home to it
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<alkisg>
pedronveloso: probably the camera doesn't match the udev rule that fires ltspfs
13:37
Plug it on while running udevadm monitor, to see how to match it
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<pedronveloso>
I've this line from the camera from lsusb : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04a9:314d Canon, Inc.
13:38
alkisg, is it possible to use that line to make it go to udev of the clients? and if so, how to?
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<alkisg>
`udevadm monitor` will show you the camera properties, and you put the result in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/rules.d/80-ltspfsd.rules
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Of course if it's not a real block device, but it's accessed through gvfs, then it'll be much harder to mount it with ltspfsd
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<vagrantc>
you might need to use gphotofs
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<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg can i mount a nfs share to /home instead of use the local /home
13:42
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: you mean on the ltsp server? Or are you talking about fat clients/localapps?
13:43
<vagrantc>
some cameras don't mount as regular USB mass storage devices, and need gphotofs if you want them to mount as devices ... i never did work on the integration into ltspfs, but thought about it years ago
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<TheMatrix3000>
on teh server itself
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<TheMatrix3000>
do i just do a mount -t nfs google:/work-google basically
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<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: It's not LTSP related, any NFS how-to on the internet will do. Or ask in your distro irc channel.
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<TheMatrix3000>
ag ok
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<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, what's that?
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<Gnoze5>
yellow
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, what do you mean harder to mount with ltspfsd? I just want it to be acessible to that client that connected the camera, is that somehow what you were refering to?
13:48
<alkisg>
pedronveloso: yes, both me and vagrantc refer to that
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<Gnoze5>
alkisg o/
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<alkisg>
Hello
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<Gnoze5>
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<pedronveloso>
Gnoze5, boas
13:49
<Gnoze5>
whats the issue in the can ?
13:49
<pedronveloso>
alkisg, why are cameras so different than USB pen drives?
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<alkisg>
pedronveloso: I'm not sure if your camera is different or not, the output of `udevadm monitor` will tell us
13:50
In general, they are accessed in a different way than usb sticks
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, ok. so I start with reading that output and then writing to the UDEV. I assume after I must update the ltsp image right?
13:53
<alkisg>
pedronveloso: take it step by step, if you need gphotofs like vagrantc said it'll be a longer walk
13:54
In any case you'll need to update the image, yes
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, thanks ;)
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, I've got this 2 lines from UDEV monitor :
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UDEV [1308865664.559634] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1 (usb)
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UDEV [1308865664.563655] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0 (usb)
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and btw, the camera mounts well on the server. don't know if this tells anything relevant or not
14:49
I've looked into the file 80-ltspfsd.rules, but I don't know how to place that info there, can you help me?
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<alkisg>
Put the camera on the server and run `mount` after that, you'll see if it's mounted as a regular file system or some gvfs-based one
14:50
But if you only got the above with udev, then it doesn't look like a regular file system
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, it doesn't show up on /dev as an sd* device, I don't know how to mount this oO
14:54
<alkisg>
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After it gets mounted, just run `mount`
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<pedronveloso>
via nautilus :P
14:55
oh, OK :P noob
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<alkisg>
Those should show up too, as gvfs file systems
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, the mounted place path shows up on nautilus as "gphoto2://[usb:001,007]/"
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<alkisg>
Yup, that's what vagrantc told you
14:56* alkisg defers to vagrantc for the rest :)
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<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, hum, seems like gphotofs is the way to go with this model :\. Can you help me though the process?
14:58
alkisg, thanks dude
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<alkisg>
np
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, will see if vangrantc can help me with this one now. never though cameras were such a mess to deal with :P
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<alkisg>
Yeah unfortunately it's like trying to access it from the console, without nautilus :)
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, in here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/GphotoLtspfs , on the bottom when it says : Use the udev detection in 45-libgphoto2.rules. , this file is the one on chroot, or the one on the server?
15:15
alkisg, brb
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<vagrantc>
doh
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i never really worked on the gphotofs stuff in ltsp, but it shouldn't be too hard for someone who already knows ltsp well
15:16
hah
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<pedronveloso>
so, anyone used gphotofs before?
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<vagrantc>
pedronveloso: i used gphotofs long long ago, and planned on integrating some sort of support into ltspfs, but never got a chance to do so, and don't have the hardware to test with anymore
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<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, I can be a beta tester :) . but has anyone to your knowledge done it before?
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vagrantc, I've both camera and client pcs
15:34
<vagrantc>
i don't even remember if i managed to pull it off
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i know i tried for a bit
15:34
<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, you really should not drink on service :P
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<vagrantc>
?
15:35
<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, you've written this correct? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GphotoLtspfs
15:35
<vagrantc>
it was literally 4-5 years ago
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haven't worked on it since
15:35
<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, forget = drink , just kidding :P
15:35
can you at least tell me what you meant by the last line?
15:35
it reads "Modify "add-fstab-entry" to add a gphotofs mount to the fstab, notify LTSP localdev that mount exists. "
15:36
I don't know how to do this
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<vagrantc>
there was a script called add-fstab-entry ... it's since been renamed to ltspfs-entry
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<pedronveloso>
how you I go about using it in my case?
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<vagrantc>
it's not simple
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it requires some coding and udev background knowledge
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and i don't really have the time to work on it
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<pedronveloso>
and I don't know that much about udev to feel confortable to do that on my own :\
15:39
vagrantc, just one last thing, USB card readers, those should work fine on LTSP right? just like usb sticks I imagine?
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<vagrantc>
i *think* so, but i've never used them
15:40
if it creates /dev/sd* devices, and has a regular filesystem on it, it should almost certainly work.
15:40
<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, I'll probably try that than, not the most beautiful solution though. You don't know of anyone else that would be working on gphotofs support would you?
15:41
<vagrantc>
hear someone mumble about it every couple years
15:41
<pedronveloso>
vagrantc, from my previous experience with one, they do create a regular entry on /dev :)
15:42
vagrantc, ok. well, thanks for your time :)
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<vagrantc>
good luck
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<komputes>
I have some terminals which require a custom xorg.conf. Where should I place this xorg.conf, which lts.conf should I edit and what should the syntax/path look like?
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<alkisg>
komputes: put xorg.conf in e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg-nvidia.conf, and call it like this from lts.conf:
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X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg-nvidia.conf
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