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Channel log from 6 December 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<petre>
stgraber: ping
07:11
<rjune_>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot`>
rjune_: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <ogra> cute !
07:11
<rjune_>
anybody know how to leave a memo?
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<alkisg>
newbie question: If I install an ltsp-server with the Ubuntu alternate CD, and then remove dhcp-server, will I have any trouble? (meaning, is it possible that it gets automatically reinstalled later because of package dependencies?)
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<kc8pxy>
how outdated is this?? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml
10:34
would that work??
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<stgraber>
alkisg: it won't
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<alkisg>
stgraber, ty! :)
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<alkisg>
stgraber, I have enabled NIC bonding on a server, and everything works fine, but one single PC with IP=x.x.x.103 refuses to show in iTalc unless I change its IP to something else, e.g. x.x.x.107... Would you have any clue on how to debug this? I'm really stuck!
10:44
E.g. can I telnet to an iTalc port to see if it's working?
10:46
<stgraber>
you can try telnet on 5800 and 5900
10:46
<alkisg>
stgraber, I did telnet, and it connected, but is there any command I can give there, or is that enough?
10:47
telnet on 127.0.0.1:11103 and 10103
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(it's not installed on the chroot, not enough RAM on the clients)
10:48
(intrepid, chroot updated 2-3 days ago)
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<stgraber>
weird, maybe that port is used by something else but in this case you should have got a warning at session open time
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<alkisg>
I've tried using netstat before the client logs on to see if there are any ports used, but if I did this correctly, they weren't...
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(the 127.0.0.1:1x103 ones)
10:56
Bah... I'll just change all of them to x.x.x.11x instead of x.x.x.10x and be done with it. :)
10:56
Thanks again.
10:58
<kc8pxy>
dberkholz: how close is ltsp5 on gentoo??
10:59
<johnny>
hi
11:00
it works
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<kc8pxy>
it works on gentoo?
11:00
<johnny>
there is a manual step to take
11:00
which involves modifying the initramfs
11:00
until genkernel includes the patches we need for adding extra network cards
11:01
atm, there are only 2 network cards in the last :(
11:01
list*
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and i have been a gainst the idea of manually modifying genkernel's config
11:06
<kc8pxy>
how do i emerge it? ltsp shows a hardmask.
11:06
<johnny>
it is in layman
11:07
<kc8pxy>
layman -a ltsp?
11:07
<johnny>
yes
11:07
i'm also waiting on another quickstart release
11:08
<kc8pxy>
johnny: after the genkernel patches, it should be (shortly) ready to include in the main portage?
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<johnny>
also need releases of quickstart and real ltsp release snapshots
11:10
instead of pulling from bzr
11:10
ie: a stable point
11:10
<kc8pxy>
johnny: does the layman version depend bzr?
11:11
* Overlay "ltsp" does not exist!
11:11
sorry, I'm VERY rusty on layman
11:12
<johnny>
do yuo have any other layman overlays?
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<kc8pxy>
not used it much since xeffects
11:12
tis is a new install
11:12
<johnny>
then perhaps you have to sync
11:12
<kc8pxy>
setting up a LTSP for the shop.
11:12
<johnny>
layman -L
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<kc8pxy>
git tree?
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<johnny>
i am probably going to have to rework it a little bit.. due to updated packages
11:13
yes.. it is a git tree
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<kc8pxy>
kk
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<johnny>
i also have to do some keywording inside ltsp chroot.. i am hoping for some of those not to be necessary anymore
11:15
kc8pxy, if you want.. i'll go through a quick update to make sure things still work somewhat as expected, befre you try to run into more bugs
11:16
i was asking for more testers in the ltsp5 bug.. and nobody has really gotten to me
11:16
the only tester i've had was this guy furiousgeorge.. he helped me uncover some issues.. but that was a few months ago
11:16
<rjune_>
and he was a bad little monkey
11:16
<johnny>
other folks asked.. but not comittment
11:16
rjune, i disagree .. he was the only person who helped :)
11:17
<rjune_>
You're ruining a perfectly good joke
11:17
<johnny>
kc8pxy, i also have to force portage 2.2 rcs in the chroot, since the blocker resolution is a must for automated installs
11:18
gentoo could use a new stage3 release..
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<johnny>
i just recently found out about a new wrapper to dd_rescue.. for any folks who are interested
11:19
supposably it will focus on recovering valid data and then go back for badblock recovery
11:20
instead of spending all the time upfront on bad block recovery
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: need more testers??:)
11:24
<johnny>
sure
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<petre>
stgraber: ping
11:24
<johnny>
i'll do a quick sweep tho right now
11:25
<stgraber>
petre: pong
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<petre>
I've got intrepid installed on a USB stick, and nxclient
11:26
How were you causing it to start automatically upon login?
11:26
nxclient, I mean
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<stgraber>
what did you install exactly ? the full OS or only the minimal OS + Xorg ?
11:27
<petre>
I remembered you said you did a minimal, but I pul the whole system on just to see if I could make this pico usb boot and get nxclient running
11:28
put
11:28
so, next step is to do minimal
11:28
did you then add Xorg manually?
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<stgraber>
yeah
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then I have an init script that starts X, do the dhcp request and start the NX binary client
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<petre>
so, is X stripped down or is it a full desktop?
11:36
<kc8pxy>
johnny: ltsp added, instyall how?
11:36
<johnny>
emerge ltsp-server
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and then ltsp-build-client
11:36
same as any other distro
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altho i'd sugges that you add these flags for testing
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<kc8pxy>
no ebuilds
11:37
<johnny>
huh?
11:37
<kc8pxy>
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "ltsp-server".
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<johnny>
did you follow the rest of the layman instructions?
11:38
by adding the source /path/to/layman/root to the bottom of make.conf?
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<kc8pxy>
doh
11:38
been too long
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, if you want it to be more likely to work out of the box with recent changes, you might want to hold off a minute, and i can take care of a few things
11:40
there have been some changes to ltsp-trunk that i need to adjust for perhaps
11:42
so. i actually discovered something useful via twitter/identica
11:42
http://jstn.cc/post/63070826
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on how "Free Public Wifi" adhoc access point is shown on so many places
11:45
kc8pxy, right now i'm updating my system with ltsp on it
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: kk. quickstart has missing keywords, btw
11:47
<johnny>
missing keywords? for what?
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i only set it for keywords i hae personally installed and ran it on
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which is gentoo dev practice
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<kc8pxy>
I'm on x86
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<johnny>
yes
11:50
you have to mark it ~x86
11:50
you will have to do that lots of packages
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<kc8pxy>
already hit fuse, ltspfs and ltsp-server :)
11:51
they said ~x86, quickstart said mission
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<kc8pxy>
missing
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<johnny>
well what is in the ebuild?
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<kc8pxy>
sys-apps/quickstart/quickstart-0.6.ebuild (in the lstp layman, which ltsp-server is pulling) has a single keyword. ~amd64
12:00
add a keyword and re-digest it?
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or wait for you to fix?
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<johnny>
add it.. if it works
12:03
i'll add it to upstream
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<kc8pxy>
gar
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<johnny>
?
12:08
<kc8pxy>
this box hit the ss e2fsprogs com_err blocking debacle
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<johnny>
on the main system?
12:08
yeah.. that's why i force portage 2.2..
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for the chroot
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since it runs into similiar problems
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<kc8pxy>
i should emerge portage 2.2 on the main sys?
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<johnny>
i'm not saying that.
12:11
i dont' know what the real bugs that are left are
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i just know it is necessary for the chroot
12:11
lemme make sure i commited the portage fixe
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<kc8pxy>
is there a simple fixe to this blocking debacle?
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<johnny>
portage 2.2 is supposed to be the fix :)
12:16
atm. manually resolve it in your main system
12:17
by removing the blockers and remerging them
12:17
ok.. i have to commit my fixes
12:17
i didn't do that
12:23
done
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: I'm glad we have dev's like you. I've been wtih gentoo since ~ 1.4rc3 (is the oldest rev i recall)
12:26
<johnny>
i'm not a gentoo dev :)
12:26
<kc8pxy>
rally??
12:26
wowo
12:26
<johnny>
just a long time user
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<kc8pxy>
kk
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<johnny>
i started with official 1.4.. near the end
12:27
right before the change to year.releasenum
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<kc8pxy>
yeah
12:27
<johnny>
been long time gnome tester
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<kc8pxy>
gentoo certainly has come a long way, right?? bye bye stage1 :)
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<johnny>
portage 2.2 is really amazing.. i hope it gets fixed soon
12:28
altho i am upset over the exherbo situation..
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<kc8pxy>
i've heard amazing things of it
12:28
exherbo?
12:29
johnny: question.
12:29
the primary dhcp of the lan I'm putting the ltsp server on is NOT the ltsp server. can i just configure it there?
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<johnny>
sure
12:30
that's why there is a dhcp use flag
12:30
we don't need the ltsp-server-standalone package like other distros
12:30
<kc8pxy>
ufed is my friend :)
12:30
<johnny>
aha.. there have been some changes i need to integrate
12:31
<kc8pxy>
nice
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: if my client users are used to ubuntu, is there a simple way to make the client image look like that?
12:33
<johnny>
look like what?
12:33
<kc8pxy>
like ubuntu
12:33
<johnny>
what do you mean?
12:33
<kc8pxy>
gentoo server, ubuntu client image.
12:33
<johnny>
what is specific about the client image to ubuntu?
12:34
only the bootsplash and login screen right?
12:34
<kc8pxy>
look and feel, menu options.
12:34
i can gnome the image, i bet.
12:34
<johnny>
atm, i use the ltsp default theme
12:34
gnome the image???
12:34
<kc8pxy>
ok
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<johnny>
don't you mean gnome the server?
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<kc8pxy>
i'm probably making no sense.
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<johnny>
it's all about the server
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<kc8pxy>
ok
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so it will look and act like i configure the server to be
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right?
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<johnny>
yes
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except the bootup
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and login screen
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<kc8pxy>
i want the dazzle them with a gdm emergence login :)
12:43
i should use the gentoo.org howto or the ltsp howto?
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<johnny>
neither
12:51
there is no gdm
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thus the gdm emergence theme won't work
12:52
what you'd need to do.. is create an ldm theme
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ok, i updated many of the recent changes
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not quite all tho
12:54
i'm not sure if it will work out of the box atm
13:00
kc8pxy, i'm updating my host system right now
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after that.. i'll update the chroot and test my changes
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kc8pxy, perhaps we should reconvene tomorrow
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it's gonna be a little while before my system is updated
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<kc8pxy>
I'm here all day :)
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<johnny>
i have about 8 fixes left to integrate in total
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some are more necessary than others
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i'd really like to globally allow SCREEN_01
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instead of just hax0red for fedora
13:15* johnny kicks the non existant warren
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<ogra>
johnny: its my fault it isnt global, dont kick warren :p
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<johnny>
ogra, actually.. what i recall.. was that you were open to the idea
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but warren had to shove ahead for his release
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before discussion could happen
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i'm not mad at warren or anything tho
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<ogra>
i asked for it to be tested on ubuntu before mzking it global
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<johnny>
yeah exactly
13:19
does it still need testing?
13:19
i'll do that at work
13:19
what do you want to see tested
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and i guess we'll need vagrantc's ok
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cyberorg, what do you think?
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<ogra>
since i'm nots sure upstart likes it
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<johnny>
but he uses upstart in fedora
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so it must not HATE it..
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<ogra>
vagrant is fine with it he said
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<johnny>
ok
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just need OK from cyberorg
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and a test then
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i will test on intrepid
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<ogra>
suse doesnt use upstart
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<johnny>
sure.. but who knows what it might break for them in any case
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<ogra>
should be ok for them
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<johnny>
i have no idea about their init system
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don't want to make assumptions
13:21* ogra neither, but guesses plain sysvinit
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<johnny>
so.. yes.. i will test on intrepid. and also spawning ldm on it by default
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<ogra>
fine with me, if it works, feel free to just change
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<johnny>
i'm sure future ubuntu releases will also use kms stuff if available.. and that this feature would be necessary for the kind of experience you want to promote
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<johnny>
i'm actually pretty happy with the way fedora10 looks
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with the default background/theme and the gdm theme looking so similiar
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even thought i'm stuck with an old nvidia card on this box
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and i dont' get the cool plymouth boot stuff :(
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13:33* ogra just sits in an exciting session about redesigning the bootprocess in ubuntu
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<ogra>
heh, fedora implements ubuntus command-not-found in packagekit'?
13:34* ogra grins
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<johnny>
it'd be nice to see the cooperation between packagekit guys and ubuntu
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altho i guess packagekit needs more maturity
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<ogra>
there is close cooperatin
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<johnny>
so.. where does ltsp local apps menu directory go?
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<ogra>
at least closer than with debian
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<johnny>
on the server?
13:36* ogra has no idea, ask stgraber ... though i'd assume something like ~/.local
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<johnny>
and genmenu goes on the client? maybe i'm confused
13:37
ogra, no.. it goes in /etc/
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guess you haven't started your jaunty jaunt yet ?:)
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<ogra>
then its on the client
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no, i need my stuff to work for work :)
13:38
running an ubuntu release before UDS is just insane
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heh, they are redefining runlevel numbering
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(in the session i'm sitting in)
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<FrederickJHome>
´╗┐Hi! The ps2 mice on my two client machines are not working but they were before. I am running Edubuntu. Any ideas?
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<FrederickJHome>
I take it that no one has any ideas about this problem.
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<stgraber>
ogra, johnny: The .desktop and menu structure are on the thin client, then it's a ldm rc.d script that'll create the entries in ~/.config and ~/.local for the user and remove them on logout
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<ogra>
stgraber: ah, so i wasnt to wrong :)
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<stgraber>
ogra: btw, what do you think of a "How the hell can we update our localapps" discussion at UDS ? :) (won't schedule a session but it's something we need discussing)
17:00
that's really a problem of nbd and it's something I have some big problems with
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ogra: btw, are you at the FOSSCamp ?
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<ogra>
stgraber: indeed
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thats why i'm in and out all the time
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<johnny>
vagrantc, are you here?
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sbalneav, are you here?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: just go ahead and ask a question :P
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lest we play tag all day
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<johnny>
vagrantc, i heard you didn't care if i removed the restriction of SCREEN_01
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is that true?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: pretty much.
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<johnny>
hwo about defaulting ldm to screen_01 .. or is that still too controversial? :)
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i'm not sure even ogra would agree with that
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he asked me to test whether it worked in ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
johnny: actually, i'd prefer to restrict the screens allowed by default...
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<johnny>
and i got a good boot
18:09
how come?
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<vagrantc>
because without manual mucking on debian, 1-6 are already taken.
18:09
so really, we should have a blacklist or whitelist mechanism somehow...
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<johnny>
and on ubuntu i'd imagine?
18:10
oh.. there's no /etc/inittab on ubuntu..
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<vagrantc>
i think they do some mucking.
18:10
yeah, it's upstart stuffs
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<johnny>
it seems like this is the way of the future
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for kms stuff
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i hope the debian folks realize that
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even if they choose not to use upstart
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<vagrantc>
"kms" ?
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<johnny>
kernel mode setting
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<vagrantc>
it'll happen when it happens.
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<johnny>
it's what allows for the flicker free transistion between bootup and the display manager
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and that is why i don't use debian ..
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too many crusty unix geeks ..
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altho i feel teh same about gentoo
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<vagrantc>
it happens when people interested in making it happen make it happen
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that's actually more true to form
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<johnny>
yeah.. except changes like this.. brings the crusty geeks out
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<vagrantc>
and i'm not one of those people :)
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<johnny>
to fight the change
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and then you have an uphill battle against the oldsters
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i mean hell.. look at what the simple change of pidgin did
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in regards to them automatically inreasing the size of the text boxes
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and removing the configuration option
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and that was jus a text box..
18:14
lol
18:14* vagrantc doesn't even know what the heck pigdin is
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<johnny>
vagrantc, i wish i could believe you that it was that simple in regards to 'when the people interesting in making it happen, make it happen"
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pidgin.. gaim.
18:14
sounding like a crusty unix geek already vagrantc :)
18:14
hehe
18:15
it's ok.. i still love ya
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<vagrantc>
yeah, web2.0 annoys me. all those newfandangled chat programs i haven't a clue.
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<johnny>
newfangled?
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1999 isn't exactly new fangled in the computer world
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which is when gaim was started..
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<vagrantc>
i don't really see what they've added that irc doesn't do for me just fine.
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<johnny>
presence of your buddies
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irc has no presence outside of rooms
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and hacking with /whois
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<vagrantc>
yeah, web2.0 crap.
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<johnny>
huh?
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lol
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web 1.0 was hardy even out then
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<vagrantc>
social networking oriented
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<johnny>
that's 1997 stuff
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<vagrantc>
same concept
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<johnny>
hell.. whenever aol started buddy lists
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<vagrantc>
i'm more interested in topics than individuals, basically.
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<johnny>
i like both
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i like friends :)
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who talk of interesting topcis
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irc is still OK enough..
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i use it for most devel stuff
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but outside of that.. ti's all xmpp chat
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<johnny>
cuz freenode doesn't have an xmpp server yet..
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aha.. split..
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<rjune_>
/whois ogra
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<alex_21>
Hi, I have Netvistas 2200 without the latest firmware and I want to upgrade them as well as make them boot with LTSP 5
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How do I do this?
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<alex_21>
Hi, I have Netvistas 2200 without the latest firmware and I want to upgrade them as well as make them boot with LTSP 5
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Ho do I do this?
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How do I do this?
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<kc8pxy>
... why is svn in the ltsp-server dep tree?
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<johnny>
layman requires it
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<kc8pxy>
ok
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<johnny>
oh
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quickstart
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sorry.. quickstart is in svn
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i'll bb in half hour kc8pxy
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<kc8pxy>
kk
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<johnny>
i have a few more updates to make before making you my guinea pig
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<kc8pxy>
kk.. fuse didn't like that i was still using a livecd kernel (ripped from the cd) so i've had to recompile and then i changed my useflags, and TRIED to change my cflags, and NOW its emerging -j5 again now :)
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<kc8pxy>
it seems i can't get away from freegeeks:) vagrantc is out of mothership:)
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<alex_21>
Hi, I have Netvistas 2200 without the latest firmware and I want to upgrade them as well as make them boot with LTSP 5. I WANT TO UPGRADE THEM AND USE THEM AS THIN CLIENTS. HOW DO I DO THIS?
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<stgraber>
alex_21: I guess everyone understood you the first time you asked, no need to repeat yourself. If someone knew the answer and was around he'd already have answered.
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<Ryan52>
kc8pxy, I know, it's a little weird that the three of us are in both channels.
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<kc8pxy>
alex_21: i don't work with thin-clients that are specifically for that. all my thinclients are junk computers :)
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lol
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<Ryan52>
alex_21: captitals make it *harder* for us to read it, not easier :)
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alex_21: and capitals are interpreted as yelling on the internet, which isn't a very nice way to ask for help.
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<kc8pxy>
Ryan52: unless you want to be percieved as the guy who always DEMANDS TO SPEAK TO YOUR MANAGER.
22:07* Ryan52 nods
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<kc8pxy>
we're just now getting REAL server-grade stuff.
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<Ryan52>
server grade from 20 years ago, or...? :)
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<kc8pxy>
I'm setting up a dual xeon with HT.
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2.8ghz
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each
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<Ryan52>
ooooooo....awwwwww....special. :)
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<kc8pxy>
/proc/cpuinfo shows 4 cpu's :)
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<stgraber>
bah, we have dual-QuadXeon for LTSP here :)
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<kc8pxy>
did you pay for yours??:)
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mine was donated :)
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<stgraber>
(42 of them)
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<stgraber>
model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5450 @ 3.00GHz
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<Ryan52>
woah.
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<stgraber>
and 6GB of RAM
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<kc8pxy>
nice
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<stgraber>
well, that's 42 of them for 5k thin clients :)
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<kc8pxy>
stgraber: free?
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:)
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<stgraber>
kc8pxy: not really no :) it's the network of Laval's school board in Quebec
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<kc8pxy>
stgraber: mine was donated, so it was free to us as an org :)
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free jalopee's are nicer than a nascar you have yto buy, anyday :)
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but you have sone nice hardware :)
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people underestimate tha value of a nice 486 :)
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486 66 as a thinclient??:)
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<stgraber>
evening sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Eveing stgraber!
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<Ryan52>
hi sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Hey Ryan52
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: ltsp-server just completed.
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<johnny>
i'm not quite done with it
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<kc8pxy>
how -S ltsp when you get finnsihed with the nip and tuck?
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<johnny>
got a few things to update on the client
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<kc8pxy>
i've not yet gotten a verifiably working ltsp. what does the login screen look like?
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<johnny>
what did you do?
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<kc8pxy>
i'm waiting on you. i tried a ubuntu box, but had no usable thinclients to test with.
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now that i have this toy, i wanted to see if i could make it work on gentoo
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<johnny>
try that again?
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so.. you have a gentoo box, and emerged ltsp-server? and that is it?
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<kc8pxy>
yes
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<alex_21>
I didn't mean to yel, I was not aware that caps lock was down
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, neat
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now it has everything except the clustering stuff
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i haven't tested it yet
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<maicod>
hi warren ivazquez sent me to you
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to ask something
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<johnny>
he probably isn't here
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it is almost 1am for him
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<maicod>
hehe oh isee
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thanks for replying
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<johnny>
he coudl be.. but just mentioning it..
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<maicod>
yea we'll see if he responds ;)
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: layman -S ltsp ?
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<johnny>
huh?
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oh.. yeah
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or just sync em all..
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layman -S syncs all
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layman -s ltsp
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would just sync ltsp