IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 January 2013   (all times are UTC)

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10:02
<ltspuser_09>
hello all
10:03
<elias_a>
Yes.
10:04
<ltspuser_09>
for 100 clients what should be the server configuration
10:06
<elias_a>
Depends on the setup. What services, fat or thin clients, should every user be able to access streaming video such as Youtube...
10:07
<ltspuser_09>
they will access mail client & open office
10:08
<elias_a>
Shool or corporate users?
10:08
<ltspuser_09>
i would like to setup everthing on server
10:08
<elias_a>
Or what?
10:09
<ltspuser_09>
does setup changes with school or corporate users
10:09
<elias_a>
No but requirements do.
10:10
<ltspuser_09>
clients should able to access internet, mail clients i.e evoltion or thuderbird & openoffice
10:10
that's it
10:11
other thing like erp user are there but erp is developed on windows platform so that will not availbel on this
10:11
<elias_a>
One quad core server with 32 GB RAM should be enough.
10:12
<ltspuser_09>
ok thanks
10:12
<elias_a>
MMm... why?
10:12
<ltspuser_09>
what will netwrok requirment
10:12
100mbps n/w will be sufficient
10:13
<elias_a>
IMHO gigabyte network is what you need.
10:14
There will be a lot of traffic.
10:14
<ltspuser_09>
oh
10:14
ya
10:14
<elias_a>
Think about the difference between a PC and LTSP
10:14
<ltspuser_09>
if mutlple ltsp installed ther then
10:15
<elias_a>
In LTSP basically everything btw CPU and GPU is transferred via LAN.
10:15
Might be. Depends on the case.
10:15
<ltspuser_09>
ok
10:16
<elias_a>
Do a test installation and let us know.
10:16
BTW. I am just one of the less talented ones.
10:16
<ltspuser_09>
if it group like 1 ltsp for 20 clients
10:17
<elias_a>
You are about to get some serious help :D
10:17
What does it help if network is your bottleneck?
10:17
<ltspuser_09>
hmm that's true
10:17
what ??
10:19
<elias_a>
Well - calculate what amount of data is needed if you transfer past pace operations btw. CPU and GPU.
10:19
All that is transferred via LAN.
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10:27
<ltspuser_09>
ok
10:27
bye now
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10:28
<Aarat>
Please help setting up ldap authentication on ltsp clients
10:28
i have ldap server running and authenticating on server
10:28
but the clients are somehow not authenticating
10:28
which files should i edit in /opt/ltsp/
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<ltspuser_24>
hello
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<Aarat>
anyone can recommend example lts.conf file for ldap parameters
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12:31
<mah454_>
Hello
12:31
I need run ltsp server in ubuntu 12.04 but can not build client !
12:31
receive this message :
12:31
/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-etc-hosts: line 3: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/hosts: No such file or directory
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<knipwim>
hmm
12:36
if he waited for just one minute
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<muppis>
Impatience runs the world.. or not.
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15:46
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: hi, how's the school migration going? Should I deprecate the old maps.google.com -based site?
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<mwebb>
Can anyone help explain how to configure this? I want clients to boot directly into rdp with SCREEN_07 = "xfreerdp --ignore-certificate --no-nla --rfx --gdi sw --plugin rdpdr --data disk:flashdrive:/media/mdsa/" it works fine when I manually login and run the freerdp command but when put in lts.conf it black screens on boot.
17:00
<alkisg>
Try SCREEN_07=xterm, and then run that command there
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<mwebb>
cool, that helped. but it's not mapping the flash drive. how will that work with multiple users? when logging in directly with screen 07 will it still mount flash drives under media/<username>?
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<alkisg>
Check the irclogs.ltsp.org, there were some hints there about using ltspfs etc
17:13
<mwebb>
there seems to be no media/userfolder when i boot like this
17:13
<alkisg>
There would be /media/root, correct?
17:13
Check the irclogs, others have done it
17:13
<mwebb>
no, just cdrom, floppy, and floppy0
17:14
taking a peek now, thanks
17:14
<alkisg>
I'm not using xfreerdp so I don't remember the solution
17:14
Check for keyword = xfreerdp, and possibly user = Gadi
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<mwebb>
ah, no problem. xfreerdp is the most current app i should be using, right?
17:16
<alkisg>
Right
17:23
<mwebb>
great, thanks!
17:24
<alkisg>
np
17:27
vagrantc: got time for chat wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1093144 (Move some cleanup stuff after X terminates) ?
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<alkisg>
Btw, in screen_session, line 75,
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for script in $(run_parts_list /usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/ S); do
17:46
...that list is completely empty, no S* or K* files there, only XS* and XK*
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<mwebb>
if i screen_07 to an xterm, then plugin a flash drive and ls /media/ i dont see the flash drive. i imagine this is why it's not mapping with the rdpdr plugin
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<alkisg>
mwebb: check the output of `mount`
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or cat /proc/mounts
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: sure, the S* and K* files have not been used.
17:48
<alkisg>
Hey
17:49
So, my main problem is that the ordering is completely wrong...
17:49
I.e. I'd like ldm to run outside the X session, and the greeter inside it
17:49
So that ldm can run cleanup things after X terminates (or crashes) while retaining shell variables
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But it'll take too long to do that in C, and stgraber doesn't want ldm to be rewritten in shell,
17:50
...so I can only think of storing the shell variables like LDM_HOME in some file, and restoring them at the K* point
17:51
Hackish, but I can't find a better way with the existing restrictions... thoughts?
17:52
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sounds simple enough- will we be able to keep track of which variables need storing? are there unsafe variables we should worry about?
17:53
<alkisg>
vagrantc: for the simple hackish solution, we could manually store the needed vars, 4-5 of them
17:53
Instead of exporting the whole `env`
17:53
I don't think it would matter if we did store the whole environment though
17:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: could we also make which varibles to store configurable, so that if someone needed other variables stored, we wouldn't have to re-write the whole code?
17:54
or if storing the whole environment wouldn't be so bad...
17:54
<alkisg>
vagrantc: btw that code will be temporary, until we ditch ldm and switch to lightdm and other pam-capable DMs
17:54
OK, so plan:
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Reorder X99-zlocalapps etc to a previous number,
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Make a X99-store-env,
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Then actually call run_xk_scripts which now isn't called anywhere,
17:55* vagrantc always thought people put all the numbers too close together.
17:55
<alkisg>
make a K00-restore-env,
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and a K50-localapps-cleanup
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Sounds sane?
17:57
<vagrantc>
alkisg: this is mostly changes in ltsp or ldm?
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<alkisg>
localapps => ltsp
17:57
<mwebb>
alkisg: i dont see the flash drive mounted
17:57
<alkisg>
And I think there are a couple of changes in ldm
17:57
mwebb: I think you need ltspfs or something in the chroot, did you search the irclogs?
17:57
<vagrantc>
maybe i should look at an installed version...
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<alkisg>
./screen-x-common:run_xk_scripts() { ==> this isn't called anywhere
18:00* alkisg also got a bit confused with all the .d dirs we have
18:00
<alkisg>
screen-session.d, xinitrc.d...
18:00
<vagrantc>
yeah, and then screen.d which isn't really a .d dir
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: overall, it sounds sane. nothing like experimentation to figure out for sure :)
18:03
<alkisg>
I'm sure it'll work in the end... but I'd prefer a proper implementation instead of the hackish save/restore env
18:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: also, will it create versioned interdependencies between ltsp and ldm?
18:03
<mwebb>
yea, i've been reading/searching. just a lot of logs :)
18:03
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I'll check that it doesn't
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: it doesn't seem *so* hackish to me for something that is in theory on the way to being deprecated
18:04
<alkisg>
Right, I just hope that it's deprecated in a couple of years and not in 5-6 :)
18:04
<vagrantc>
alkisg: also, is it a small enough change that it could make it into a precise SRU?
18:04
<alkisg>
A few hours per year, at the BTS, doesn't seem enough to get the pam+lightdm implementation going
18:04
Hmmm
18:04
I could try to make it a bit minimalistic...
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So that it qualifies better for a precise sru
18:05
<vagrantc>
precise users are being bit by this issue, no?
18:05
<alkisg>
Yes, but I got a bit tired of ubuntu beurocracy so I had the greek schools use a ppa for quick updates :)
18:06
Bureaucracy is needed... it's just me that can't stand it :)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i've been trying to get some good changes into wheezy for over a month now :P
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and it isn't even released yet
18:09
speaking of which, i've got another push to commit
18:09
er, commit to push
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<ddmcse>
whoami
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<vagrantc>
that is an age-old question
18:12
some of us have found the answer in #ltsp, at least for a while
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<ddmcse>
I am baffled by USB printing edubuntu 12.04 lts , network printers work fine
19:00
i have patched to this level
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/996533
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on the client getltscfg -a | grep PRINT
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PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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PRINTER_0_TYPE = U
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ls /dev/usb*
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/dev/usb:
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lp0 lp1
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lts.conf
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[ws022]
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PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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PRINTER_0_TYPE = U
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ltsp-info
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ltsp-server 5.3.7-0ubuntu2.3
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ltsp-client 5.3.7-0ubuntu2.3
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<ddmcse>
cups says it's all good "print job successfulok" for network and local usb but local usb does nothing
19:04
same clients /printers work on ubuntu 9.04 LTSP
19:08
<ball>
ddmcse: I know very little about ltsp. Are your printers connected to USB ports on your diskless workstations?
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<ddmcse>
yes
19:13
I have 2 LTSP servers running 9.04 each handling about 20 printers - most local usb on the clients and a few networked. im trying to upgrade to 12.04 lts
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I can telnet to the client IP and hit port 9100 and connect
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<ball>
Is it normal for the workstations to serve up the printers on 9100 and not using lpr?
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<ddmcse>
yes
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<ball>
interesting.
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<ddmcse>
the client basically becomes a print server using lp and or usb
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<ball>
Do they show up as usblp0 in the output from dmesg on the workstation?
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(or lsusb, however that's done in linux)
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<ddmcse>
ls /dev/usb* while on client lists /dev/usb: lp0 and lp1 i have 2 printers connected but only one spec'd out in lts.conf
19:27
oh I see alkisg was ion on this change in 50-jetpipe
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<kev_j>
is there a way to disable usb drives but allow a usb printer?
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<ddmcse>
I'm sure there is if that's what you would like
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<kev_j>
do you think that would that be done through modprobe or ltsp
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<ddmcse>
lts.conf
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that might disable all usb LOCALDEV_DENY_USB
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boolean, default False
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<vagrantc>
LOCALDEV_DENY_USB only applies to mountable devices.
19:46
i.e. not printers
19:46
only things mounted through ltspfs
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<kev_j>
awesome, thanks
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so localdev needs to be true and localdev_deny_usb is true?
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<vagrantc>
all LOCALDEV variables only apply to mountable devices through ltspfs
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<kev_j>
oh ok, gotcha, wasn't sure of that
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<mip5>
Hey Folks - ubuntu 12.04.1, 3.2.0-35-generic-pae. Some of my clients are running an Atom Processor. lshw results for VGA show Atom d2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller. These clients boot up, but won't light up the display unless I hit ctrl-alt-f2, and then ctrl-alt-f7. Once I do this, the login page is available, and everything works okay.
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<vagrantc>
mip5: sounds like you need some trained monkeys
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<mip5>
I feel like one!
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Is there anything in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default that I could/should edit. I got rid of "quiet splash" thinking that would allow something use to scroll by on boot, but it didn't do the trick. Here's what I have now: append ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nbd0 init=/sbin/init-ltsp plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 nbdroot=:ltsp_i386
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Okay - there's apparently a bug working with the gma500 graphics chip. Removing vt.handoff=7 from the append to kernel line seems to solve the problem.
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<markit>
vagrantc: if someone has issues with 12.04 about not being able to share printers
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is something I faced yesterday, and found (googling) the solution
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add ServerAlias * in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
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<vagrantc>
and that works?
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<||cw>
does it think it's name is localhost and will only listen on that?
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