IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 30 September 2015   (all times are UTC)

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05:02
<Guest42749>
hello everyone I'm very new to ltsp, and I was recommend by Jan Middlelkoop to come here for some help, i'm currenlly trying to install a ltsp small image server to offer a pxe boot image to 4 computers to load RDP upon connection, I was wondering if someone here could light my way. Thank you all -jd
05:19work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
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05:20
<alkisg>
Guest42749: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
05:25
Hrm. It's so outdated it should probably be rewritten though
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05:26
<alkisg>
Follow the "Installing on top of an already running desktop system" paragraph
05:27
stgraber, highvoltage: the alternate cd no longer has LTSP, right? I.e. our main (non-pnp) installation page is pretty misleading...
05:28
<Guest42749>
Hi Alkisg, I have the lspt server already installed as an image, however I don't know how to configure it coexisting with my dhcp server.
05:28
and for some reason the client gets stuck with the ubuntu purple boot image and does not go any further
05:29
<alkisg>
!proxydhcp
05:29
<ltsp>
proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
05:29
<alkisg>
It's also possible to just put boot filename and root path in your existing dhcp server
05:30
But I don't have any wiki links for that
05:31
Maybe this one has a few clues: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
05:31
<Guest42749>
wow that would be nice, so whats my bets option now? configure the ubuntu dhcp to coexist with my current dhcp?
05:31
<alkisg>
Unfortunately the LTSP documentation SUCKS :D
05:31
If it's easy for you to edit your existing one, do edit that one
05:43
<maldridge>
Guest42749: what is your existing DHCP server running on?
05:44
<Guest42749>
with the microsoft domain controller
05:46
<maldridge>
Guest42749: I'd suggest the proxyDHCP route
05:47
you can set it in windows but I have had issues with the windows dhcp server and certain bios options
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05:48
<alkisg>
maldridge: do you remember what issues in specific?
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12:32
<Cristian->
Hi everybody :D
12:34
Just want to know if there's a profile manager like sabayon (the app).. so I can set a default desktop with icons and other config and apply it to other users.
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13:35
<work_alkisg>
Hi Cristian-, I don't know of anyone, but it wouldn't be ltsp-specific so you might want to ask in your distribution channel as well
13:41
<maldridge>
Cristian-: Sabayon seems very windows like, I'm not aware of any such tools outside the rhel ecosystem.
13:42
<work_alkisg>
sabayon was maintained in edubuntu for some years by sbalneav
13:43
(not the sabayon distro, but the tool)
13:43
<maldridge>
ran across the distro first, that was confusing
13:46
looks like its still in the ubuntu repos
13:47
<work_alkisg>
I don't think it's been ported to recent gnome versions
13:47
E.g. no dconf, gsettings etc
13:47
i don't think it would work
13:48
<maldridge>
ah, what about non gnome systems, or did it ever work on those
13:49
<Cristian->
i think it works for everything... it just nest a x window and let you setup things...
13:49
I could use skel
13:49
but what about relative paths?
13:50
<work_alkisg>
sabayon never properly supported paths
13:50
<Cristian->
could I setup some user, desktop icons, applets, everything, then copy the contents of the home to the skel?
13:50
<work_alkisg>
so if some app put /home/username/path/to/config in gconf, then it was "username" for all users, breaking things
13:51
<Cristian->
mmm i didnt have any problem with sabayon and paths, been using ubuntu 10.10 for almost 4 years for ltsp
13:51
<work_alkisg>
How would you know?
13:52
E.g. suppose all users had the same gedit settings with username
13:52
Would you realize that?
13:52
<Cristian->
i realize it with wine
13:52
<work_alkisg>
sabayon doesn't care for wine
13:52
wine settings go to the windows registry
13:52
not to gconf
13:53
<Cristian->
yeap, true... well, now you mention it, all I can say is that i never had problems using sabayon, so I supposed that everything was fine
13:53
lol
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13:54
<Cristian->
so, can I use skel then?
13:54
set up an users profile by hand, then copy the home to skell dir?
13:54
never did that
13:55
<work_alkisg>
In my opinion, using skel is broken
13:56
But how much broken depends on how exactly will you use it
13:57* work_alkisg wishes linux would support the ~ path in the kernel, so that apps wouldn't even see /home/username
13:57
<Cristian->
that would be fine hahah
13:57
any other suggestion?
13:57
<work_alkisg>
There's menu editor by edubuntu
13:57
<Cristian->
yeah, alacarte
13:58
<work_alkisg>
No, alacarte doesn't support menu groupping
13:58
the edubuntu editor uses alacarte but also supports groups
13:58
Anyway, we didn't have problems here leaving the same menus for all kids
13:58
from 1st grade to 12th...
13:58
<Cristian->
yeah, this is a government office, all users uses the same menu
13:59
if they need some item apart, we add to their profile
13:59
<work_alkisg>
Then you could edit it globally
13:59
Not with a profile editor...
13:59
E.g. if you want to hide a menu, you can dpkg-divert its applications/menu.desktop file
14:00
Or use a custom XDG_DATA_DIRS menu
14:00
*directory
14:00
<Cristian->
yeah
14:00
<work_alkisg>
But all this isn't ltsp specific...
14:00
<Cristian->
but what about gconf, Im using MATE desktop, want to remove some applets
14:01
<work_alkisg>
mate and gnome support mandatory settings
14:01
<Cristian->
just need to set thing up with the editor and thats all folks?
14:01
<work_alkisg>
No, with gsettings
14:02
<Cristian->
i know is not ltsp specific, but this things (i believe) are common to any guy setting up a ltsp env
14:02
<work_alkisg>
create dirs in /etc with the gsettings you want, with a text editor, not a menu editor
14:02
Nah, noone is doing that here currently
14:02
<Cristian->
oh..
14:03
<work_alkisg>
that's why sabayon and edubuntu menu editors aren't maintained anymore
14:03
<Cristian->
you just install ltsp and let the users desktop as they want?
14:03
or let them to set up their own desktop?
14:04
<work_alkisg>
each one of them has his own account, free to use it however he likes,
14:04
and if people want to lock some things, they use mandatory gsettings
14:04
which is documented in gnome
14:04
<Cristian->
thats nice
14:05
My case is that i have to provide the same desktop to all users, and dont let them touch anything xD
14:05
<work_alkisg>
why not wipe it on login?
14:06
so that they can touch whatever they want, but they'll know the changes will be reverted...
14:06
But note that sabayon never locked things
14:06
mandatory gsettings locked things
14:06
So if you want to lock it, you're going wrong about it
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14:06
<Cristian->
no, it didnt, i finished some configurations by hand
14:07
but i liked the wipe thing
14:07
where can i find info about that?
14:07
<work_alkisg>
wiping is quite easy, rm .config :)
14:07
<Cristian->
oh
14:07
nice
14:07
<work_alkisg>
google for ltsp guest accounts etc
14:07
<Cristian->
I would
14:08
thanks so much, i really appreciate your help
14:08
<work_alkisg>
you're welcome
14:08
<Cristian->
this channel always clear my doubts
14:08
sry for my english :D
14:09
cya!
14:09
<work_alkisg>
np, I'm greek :)
14:09
bb!
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14:15
<elias_a>
work_alkisg: Would it be a problem that someone is finnish? :P
14:21
work_alkisg: BTW - have you noticed that we in Finland are now facing similar economical problems as your nation does?
14:21
work_alkisg: So, more LTSP to Finland that is... ;-)
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15:19
<alkisg>
elias_a: I think country debts are just a means to control them, so all nations will eventually owe a whole lot of money to banks etc...
15:19
The bad thing is that the make citizens blame themselves or others while try achieve that
15:19
*they
15:20
More LTSP is nice though :)
15:26* vagrantc is curious about the line of discussion :)
15:27
<stgraber>
alkisg: well, the alternative cd seed still contains ltsp, but we've not produced alternative cds in years :)
15:27
<alkisg>
stgraber: so the instructions are wrong, right?
15:27
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
15:27
I think that's our main how to for installing ltsp with ubuntu, non-pnp...
15:28
<elias_a>
alkisg: Just wanted that you know that even finnish austerity right wingers are eating now their own crap. :P
15:28
<alkisg>
:)
15:29
<elias_a>
alkisg: Soo sweet...
15:30
<stgraber>
alkisg: yep, install from CD should talk about the Edubuntu DVD live installer instead
15:30
<alkisg>
stgraber: ah, never used that one...
15:30
stgraber: is there anyone from the edubuntu community that could update that page?
15:35
<stgraber>
doubtful
15:35
though it's really just about installing Edubuntu normally and ticking a checkbox in the installer
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16:04
<jammcq>
stgraber: so.... you will be in Seattle ?
16:05
<stgraber>
jammcq: unfortunately, yes
16:06
<jammcq>
bummer. we'll save room for you next year
16:07
<stgraber>
if I was somewhere on the east coast, I'd still have dropped by afterwards, but even flying out on the earliest flight possible would still get me to Bangor late on Saturday, so not really worth it :(
16:07
<jammcq>
yeah, I understand.
16:07
it's prolly not easy to get from Seattle to SW harbor
16:08
<stgraber>
it's really annoying how October seems to be my busiest month of the year for the past couple of years at least... really hope I can make it next year...
16:09* vagrantc tried to scheme a way out there but just too much going on
16:10
<jammcq>
hmm, no vagrantc either :(
16:10
ogra: ping
16:13
<vagrantc>
jammcq: doing a roll call?
16:13
<jammcq>
heh, yeah
16:13
I haven't heard if he's got a plane ticket yet. I'm having my doubts
16:15
<vagrantc>
ogra didn't even make it to an event in germany! :P
16:16
<ogra>
vagrantc, i will manage to go to ubucon on oct 25th ... :)
16:16
but i didnt make debconf :(
16:16
<jammcq>
ogra !!!!!!!!
16:16
<ogra>
and i dont make todays beadvoltage show wihich is only 100km away ...
16:17* vagrantc pouts
17:12
<gvy>
hey all the greybeards! :)
17:13* vagrantc is still mostly pepper
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17:21
<ogra>
jammcq, so when was the exact date for BTS ?
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18:47
<jammcq>
ogra: Oct 15-18
18:47
is there still hope?
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<andy___>
hello
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