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Channel log from 24 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
Hi all, I'm using Edubuntu 7.10, can anyone tell me how to change the Display Manager language for the clients?
00:31
I mean the logon screen, where the student enters his username/password
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<alkisg>
Hi all, I'm using Edubuntu 7.10, can anyone tell me how to change the client login screen *language*?
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<moldy>
hi
05:46
is there a way to support terminal-attached usb sticks with ltsp?
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<moquist_>
sbalneav: what more, if anything, would you like me to do with sshfsplus?
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<johnny>
sshfsplus ?
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<K_O-Gnom>
dberkholz: are you here?
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<dberkholz>
K_O-Gnom: yes
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<K_O-Gnom>
dberkholz: hi ... i have a little question ... can you tell me how the work is progressing on the ltsp ebuild for gentoo? (I hope I do not pester you with this question)
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<dberkholz>
K_O-Gnom: i haven't done a whole lot on it lately, because of other commitments. a few people have said they'll do something, but they haven't ever come back to me with anything.
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K_O-Gnom: so at the moment, it's sort of in temporary storage
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<K_O-Gnom>
dberkholz: i would help you but i cant ... i havent the needet knowlege ..
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dberkholz: so i only can be very thankfull that you do it and can wait ... (waiting is no poblem for me because ltsp 4.2 workes atm good as it needs to) ..
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<vagrantc>
ogra: virtualbox rocks
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<warren>
virtualbox?
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<vagrantc>
another virtual machine system
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warren: http://www.virtualbox.org
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one of those started as closed source but moved open source projects
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it was uploaded to debian a while back, and there was a backport to etch a few days ago ... been using it for LTSP testing.
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<warren>
vagrantc, it is like qemu but faster?
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vagrantc, can it do PXE?
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<vagrantc>
warren: yes, it's *way* faster than qemu
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requires a custom kernel module
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warren: and it can do PXE
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<warren_>
vagrantc, it looks cool, but apparently it isn't fully FOSS
13:53
vagrantc, I don't know how they get away with having a non-open version in binaries without violating the GPL?
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vagrantc, when it includes parts of qemu and other projects within it
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<vagrantc>
warren_: dual liscense?
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if it made it into debian, i'm more-or-less trusting the liscensing.
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<warren_>
vagrantc, so I guess Debian has the OSE?
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<vagrantc>
i know they stripped a bunch out for debian
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<warren_>
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
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<vagrantc>
yeah, ose
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<warren_>
ah
13:54
k
13:55
ewwww
13:55
You will need to install some additional libraries on your Linux system in order to run VirtualBox - in particular, you will need libxalan-c, libxerces-c and version 5 of libstdc++. How to install these will depend on the Linux distribution you are using.
13:55
<vagrantc>
"apt-get install virtualbox-ose" worked for me :)
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<Drakeweb>
hey, anyone using Neoware EON 3000/4000 thin clients on ltsp5?
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I'm having trouble booting ... they PXE and I get the graphical edubuntu loading screen, then it all goes dark and my monitor reports no signal
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I'm assuming it's an xwindows thing, but am not sure how to proceed
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<vagrantc>
warren_: looks like you found a troll :)
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ah, altlinux.
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heh.
14:07* vagrantc wonders when the altlinux ltsp will reach ... ltsp
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<warren>
vagrantc, so debian is packaging the OSE with things stripped out?
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<vagrantc>
warren: that's what it seems to be
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<warren>
vagrantc, I suppose that would be license appropriate.. while the non-free version they ship themselves is likely violating the GPL
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<vagrantc>
quite possibly
14:08
my only fear is lurking liscense stuff that people haven't noticed ... as it's a really nice piece of software
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<warren>
Drakeweb, that is likely either a driver bug or problem with your monitor
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vagrantc, so OSE with things stripped out is still pretty useful?
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: maybe try setting the resolution with X_MODE_0=640x480 or X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 or such
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warren: extremely
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<warren>
vagrantc, does it do PXE?
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<vagrantc>
warren: on fairly modest hardware (866MHz with 512MB of ram) i've can run a virtual LTSP server and two virtual thin clients at reasonable speeds
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warren: yes, PXE
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<warren>
cool
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<vagrantc>
though you start to notice if all 3 are running at once ...
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ogra's been using virtualbox for some time now, but i tend to wait till things hit debian ... lest i get addicted to something with liscense issues
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<warren>
vagrantc, here's another project I've been working on
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vagrantc, https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/InstantMirror/
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vagrantc, might be useful for many folks
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vagrantc, like... does freegeek have its own debian/ubuntu mirror?
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<vagrantc>
warren: internal mirror, yeah
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<warren>
ahy
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ah
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<vagrantc>
warren: we set up a transparent squid proxy and then parse the logs for which packages to mirror
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warren: works pretty good
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<warren>
vagrantc, ah
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<vagrantc>
partial debian mirrors is one of my other obsessions :)
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<warren>
vagrantc, with InstantMirror it appears as a full mirror and downloads parts on-demand
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<vagrantc>
warren: yeah, there's a few of those for debian
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<warren>
oh?
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<vagrantc>
warren: at least 3 or 4 :)
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<warren>
vagrantc, which packages? I should take a look.
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<vagrantc>
warren: apt-proxy, apt-cacher, approx ...
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i know there was another one somewhere along the way ...
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i've never found one i really liked, though
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<warren>
vagrantc, do any of them retain the original directory structure and filenames, so you can also use rsync?
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<vagrantc>
warren: i think apt-proxy does
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<Drakeweb>
sorry, dropped out and back again. Anyone using neoware eon 3000/4000 thin clients?
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: maybe try setting the resolution with X_MODE_0=640x480 or X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 or such
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Drakeweb: do you know what type of video card they have?
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<Drakeweb>
what should I put to turn off xserver completely, just to check I can actually get a shell?
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: SCREEN_07=shell
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<Drakeweb>
what setting should I use for XSERVER?
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<warren>
vagrantc, does apt-proxy use apt's actual metadata?
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<vagrantc>
warren: i think so
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<Drakeweb>
some people on the ltsp wiki say XSERVER=auto works for them.
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<warren>
Drakeweb, your problem is likely very hardware dependent
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<vagrantc>
warren: i made some patches to apt-proxy year ago ... but it's a bit memory and sometimes cpu hungry
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<warren>
Drakeweb, you need to narrow it down
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: XSERVER=auto is basically the default
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<warren>
Drakeweb, X_MODE_0=640x480 or X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 would help you to see if it is only a problem with your monitor
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<vagrantc>
the ltsp wiki is probably LTSP 4.x
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<warren>
Drakeweb, or if the driver is incapable of higher settings
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<Drakeweb>
it was. a bit old I fear.
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<vagrantc>
or the occasional card that needs X_COLOR_DEPTH=15
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<warren>
Drakeweb, if it doesn't work with the lowest settings, then it is probably a driver problem
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<Drakeweb>
is there a significant difference between 4.2 and 5?
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<vagrantc>
huge difference
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LTSP 4.x is it's own distribution, LTSP 5 is based entirely on the the distro you're using
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<Drakeweb>
oh
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<vagrantc>
so on ubuntu, you're using X.org from ubuntu, and on debian you're using X.org from debian
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<Drakeweb>
oh heck
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hmmm
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: can you install onto one of the machines and see if you get X working ?
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though first, try playing with X_MODE_0 and X_COLOR_DEPTH, like mentioned earlier
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<Drakeweb>
i think i may have found a problem
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lts.conf is referenced from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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on ltsp5
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and mine is missing ...
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however if I set a modern dell laptop to pxe boot it all works fine
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<warren>
Drakeweb, entirely different video card
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<Drakeweb>
can anyone send me a suitable lts.conf file?! (please)
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so i have something to tweek
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<warren>
Drakeweb, and the monitor is different as well. You will run into trouble sometimes with old crap monitors that don't do DDC, for example.
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<Drakeweb>
i'm using a 15" TFT
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: lts.conf is not needed
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<Drakeweb>
how do i set the xserver and x-color-depth then?
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<vagrantc>
well, you create an lts.conf ...
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[default]
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X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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X_MODE_0=640x480
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try that
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<Drakeweb>
XSERVER?
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: defaults to "auto"
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there are sane defaults for everything
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<Drakeweb>
do i need to reboot any services, or should it pick up the lts.conf on client boot?
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gonna try it now
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<vagrantc>
please do.
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<Drakeweb>
no dice.
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<Drakeweb>
the screen blanks, then says there is no signal, then blanks again, repeat.
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: remove: quiet splash
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<Drakeweb>
ok, rebooting
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everything worked fine until it got to @starting ltsp client@
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then the screen blanked, then i got a quick flash of a red error message (too fast to spot) then the screen blanked again
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<vagrantc>
that's probably the x configuration...
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<Drakeweb>
is there a log somewhere i can find that error message?
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<vagrantc>
/var/log/Xorg.1.log
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well, it depends ...
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<Drakeweb>
I've got xorg.0.log
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and xorg.20.log
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<vagrantc>
on the thin client?
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<Drakeweb>
sorry - i think i'm being dumb here. those logs were on the server
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<vagrantc>
probably having trouble getting to the thin client ... :)
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Drakeweb: set SCREEN_07=shell in lts.conf
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<Drakeweb>
bearing in mind the screen doesn't work!
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ok
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<vagrantc>
but then X won't start at all ..
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well ... i guess the configuration will run
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which is actually probably all you need
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<Drakeweb>
how do i change to the shell?
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on the client?
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<vagrantc>
alt-f7
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sbalneav: i finally figured out why multiple host support was borked on debian!
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sbalneav: was a simple bug in ldm's screen script
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<Drakeweb>
the red error was a failure to detect sound
15:00
ok, so I've got a shell on screen 0
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and one on 7
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7 is already logged on as root
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and I can't log on to 0
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<vagrantc>
that's to be expected
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<Drakeweb>
why?
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<vagrantc>
on tty1 is the normal login
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on SCREEN_07 is the LTSP screen script "shell"
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SCREEN_07 is run on tty7
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<Drakeweb>
ok, why can't I log on to tty1?
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<vagrantc>
because root
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s password is disabled
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<Drakeweb>
i can't log on as any user
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<vagrantc>
yes
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there are no users on the thin client
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<Drakeweb>
oh brother, now I'm confused ...
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<vagrantc>
just use the shell on tty7 :P
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<Drakeweb>
am i not trting to log on to the server?
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via the client?
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<vagrantc>
not at the moment
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<Drakeweb>
oh
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<vagrantc>
well, you do whatever you want, but i thought you wanted to look at the logs on the thin client itself, not on the server
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<Drakeweb>
i do! I'm just confused about the logging on!
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ok, so I want to look at the Xorg.1.log on the client, correct?
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<vagrantc>
yes
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<Drakeweb>
what am i looking for?
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<vagrantc>
anything like ERROR: you have no video card!
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<Drakeweb>
ok, hang on
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: or whatever ...
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they might just come up as EE WW and ** or something ...
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just look for things that seem alarming
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Drakeweb: most likely at the bottom ...
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Drakeweb: tail -n 20 /var/log/Xorg.1.log
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wahoo ... finally made progress on http://bugs.debian.org/443200
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<Drakeweb>
nothing. chipset mediagx detected
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no errors listed
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note at the end stating how to test the x server
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: run the command: X
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<Drakeweb>
on tty7?
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<vagrantc>
yes
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anywhere else you could run it? :P
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<Drakeweb>
well, it didn't like that ...
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is there any way i can pull the log off the client onto the server?
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vagrantc: thanks for your help so far with this. Can we talk again another day? It's late for me, and I need to watch an episode of Voyager ... ha ha ha
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<vagrantc>
Drakeweb: good luck. i'm around when i'm around :)
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<joebob777as7>
i'm having a login issue for my local clients. They are trying to log in and it gives them invalid username and password. but if i switch to the shell and ping the server from the individual screen and then switch back they are able to login fine.
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<vagrantc>
weird
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<joebob777as7>
i know ogra was telling me he thought it was my network. and I had bought a pretty cheap switch so i went out and got a nice 16 port gigabit switch from linksys and still no go...
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i think i'm going to try a new chroot... vagrantc if i want to make a new chroot called nvidia and it be 64 bit arch what command do i use?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: this is 64BIT SERVER?
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<joebob777as7>
yes
15:37* vagrantc smacks the CAPSLOCK key
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<joebob777as7>
lol
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: i think there's options defined in ltsp-build-client --help or --extra-help
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<joebob777as7>
nice didn't know --extra-help existed. if i do --chroot do i have to specify whole dir? /opt/ltsp/nvidia?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: i think just --chroot nvidia ...
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joebob777as7: if you wanted it somewhere else --base /opt/somewhere/else --chroot nvidia
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<joebob777as7>
ok thanks!
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<vagrantc>
and probably --arch amd64
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64 bit thin clients, eh?
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<joebob777as7>
yeah. also do you think there will be a change in the future to make two 64 bit types amd64 and ia64?
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<vagrantc>
there's ia64 for debian
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no idea on ubuntu's support plans
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<johnny_>
lol
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ia64 thin clients?
15:43* johnny_ laughts
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<johnny_>
laughs*
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<vagrantc>
?
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you asked
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actually probably going to drop ltsp support for most of the architectures in debian...
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<johnny_>
what is worth supporting for thinclients ? amd64, i386, ppc, and?
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maybe arm in some crazy world..
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<vagrantc>
well, i know we have network boot code for i386/amd64, powerpc, alpha and sparc
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and i know people who have arm thin clients
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so there's interest there
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but hey, there's ltsp packages for s390 in debian :)
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<joebob777as7>
vagrantc, i removed /opt/ltsp/* and went to build my chroot with amd64 arch and i get: ERROR: unsupported architecture. Check your --arch argument: amd64, supported values are: i386 powerpc,error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: i think that's an ubuntu specific thing ...
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joebob777as7: file a bug with ubuntu
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<joebob777as7>
ok for now i'll just make it i386
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oh i get it since the server is amd64 it's architecture is amd64 by default and not listed.
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<johnny_>
you have amd64 thin clients tho?
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seriously?
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gimme? :)
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<joebob777as7>
vagrantc, you said they're going to drop ltsp support for most of the architectures?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: i'm thinking about dropping support in debian
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<joebob777as7>
yeah they're cheap 200 a piece johnny
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vagrantc, why is that?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: because you don't need to be running thin clients on mainframes?
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i plan on keeping only i386, amd64, powerpc and maybe alpha, sparc and arm ...
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<joebob777as7>
that makes sense
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<vagrantc>
well, mainframe as a thin client
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definitely insane
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if someone provides network boot code for other architectures supported in debian, i'd probably include it ...
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it's probably the only thing a m68k would be good for these days ... if it would even be good enough
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<johnny_>
prolly not
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<vagrantc>
currently in debian's ltsp: alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
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<joebob777as7>
wow
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there you go johnny ia64. ;)
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<vagrantc>
don't know what it takes to network boot an ia64
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<joebob777as7>
they run amd64 and i386 fine afaik
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<johnny_>
lol
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i don't need ia64.. x86 is good enough for me
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<vagrantc>
it's got mkelfimage ...
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<joebob777as7>
vagrantc, if i'm making a group to boot to amd64 would i make it look like this?
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http://pastebin.ca/796248
16:11* vagrantc prefers pastebot.ltsp.org
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<vagrantc>
but anyways ...
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<joebob777as7>
ok
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: host foo { harware ethernet xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx ; }
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joebob777as7: host bar { harware ethernet xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx ; }
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<johnny_>
one day i'll get autologin to work again..
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<vagrantc>
i think it's broken
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<joebob777as7>
vagrantc, what if they are all the same host?
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just make it all host foo?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: multiple ethernet cards in a single machine?
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i would treat each interface as a separate machine, at least from dhcp's poinbt of view
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<joebob777as7>
ok thanks
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<vagrantc>
foo-1, foo-2, etc ...
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not sure if you can specify the same host multiple times or not ... go ahead and experiment if you like
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<joebob777as7>
will do.
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<vagrantc>
well, i'll be back in a bit
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<joebob777as7>
ok thanks for the help ttyl
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<BGomes>
jammcq: hi
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<jammcq>
hey BGomes
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<BGomes>
jammcq: all fine?
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<jammcq>
yeah, very fine
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how are you?
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<BGomes>
jammcq: fine
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jammcq: at this moment geting bzr of LTSP upstream :) Ltsp5 is very fine too
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<jammcq>
yeah, it's in pretty good shape right now
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<BGomes>
What is the folder imagem on /opt/ltsp/ of ubuntu 7.10 ?
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ogra: u are here? it is for u :)
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tou vendo se o kra q fez ta on, vou ver com ele quando q ele colocou isso...
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# copyright 2007 Canonical LTD., Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>
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osp
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sory, it is not here
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<mathesis>
there is ltsp 5 to debian testing?
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