IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:27 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Ick, that's bad.
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| 01:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: works great with lightdm and gdm3, though :)
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| 01:29 | sbalneav: although the killing backgrounded/screen/tmux processes is a bummer
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| 01:29 | dunno how to more clearly isolate processes that shouldn't be running when the session is over.
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| 01:30 | <sbalneav> that's just that "ltsp-cleanup" shell script. we can just not run it.
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| 01:30 | <vagrantc> if you don't run it, the X session never finishes
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| 01:31 | <sbalneav> hmm.
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| 01:31 | <vagrantc> we used to "kill $PPID" long ago ...
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| 01:31 | parent-process-id ... which may have left some processes hanging
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| 01:32 | but at least logout completed
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| 01:32 | gotta implement some of the stuff that was in screen-session.d now ... things like setting the default resolution don't work
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| 01:33 | and some sort of homedir mounting for fatclients
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| 01:33 | (and localapps, if we manage to re-implement that)
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| 01:35 | oh, and dynamically generating the /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop files
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| 01:36 | * vagrantc wonders a bit about server selection at login time... | |
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| 04:07 | <jamesaepp> how can I test if my tftp server is live?
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| 04:09 | nevermind, that is not the issue.
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| 04:10 | SO. I boot a client, it gets its IP, mask, DHCP IP and gateway IP and goes no further. Suggestions? I am running a pfsense router with it forwarded to the Host IP with filename ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 04:11 | <muppis> !quiet_splash
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| 04:11 | <ltsp> quiet_splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 04:11 | <muppis> jamesaepp, try that first
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| 04:12 | <jamesaepp> muppis: That is not it, it gets its DHCP acknowledgments and all of that and then goes no further. Just a blinking cursor.
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| 04:16 | <muppis> jamesaepp, those messages, what already see, comes from nic. It loads that that and moves control to kernel so you don't see nothing but blinking cursor by default if it stucks before loading that splash image.
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| 04:16 | <jamesaepp> muppis: Ever since that change in code I am now getting tftp error access violation.
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| 04:17 | and internal error (blksize evaluation)
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| 04:18 | <muppis> What is exact error from tftp?
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| 04:18 | <jamesaepp> PXE-T02
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| 04:18 | and PXE-E3C
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| 04:21 | Again, keep in mind that I have an external DHCP server with forwarded options made.
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| 04:21 | <muppis> E3C means file requested from tftpd was not found so check your tftpd configuration.
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| 04:23 | Doesn't really matter as long as dhcpd and tftpd are in same subnet. :)
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| 04:23 | <jamesaepp> they are.
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| 04:24 | Where is the tftpd cfg?
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| 04:26 | <muppis> Should be under /etc. Which distro you're running anyway?
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| 04:26 | (Gotta get to the work. Back in a hour..)
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| 04:27 | <jamesaepp> :( Ubuntu
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| 04:28 | Working late xD
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| 06:18 | <ltspuser_36> Does anyone knows if HP T200 zero client are supported byLTSP?
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| 06:23 | Good night to all!
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| 11:31 | <andygraybeal> is everyone using LTSP on 12.04 now? and it is working good with fallback mode?
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| 11:32 | is fallback mode the recommended way to run LTSP on 12.04?
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| 11:34 | <work_alkisg> I think ubuntu recommends unity-2d, which they dropped... personally I recomment gnome-fallback on 12.04, yeah, but generally if you're ok with 10.04 I see little reason to upgrade :D
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| 11:39 | <andygraybeal> work_alkisg, wait, but they are killing desktop support next month in 10.04.
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| 11:40 | does this mean that ltsp is also going to need to move to 12.04 becaues it runs gnome-desktop ? or am i really confused.
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| 11:40 | i understand that server is still supported until 2015... but i thought that the whole desktop wasn't
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| 11:51 | <andygraybeal> maybe i'm not understanding something
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeal> work_alkisg, does that make sense? ubuntu is only going to support the server packages, but not the desktop packages... so the desktop packages will go untouched as far as security is concerned. i don't want to be stuck in a limbo with my desktop, right? ultimately, though i want to follow what you say to do.
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| 12:34 | <andygraybeal> sorry, i'm back now, if you responded, i would like to hear what you said
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| 12:35 | <muppis> Said:
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| 13:29 | <andygraybeal> muppis, ?
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| 13:30 | <muppis> Nobody said anything during time what you were offline. :D
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| 13:35 | <andygraybeal> aah thank yuo muppis
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| 13:41 | <ltspuser_86> HI all
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| 13:42 | Got a new install of ubuntu 12.04.1 alternate with LTSP installed
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| 13:42 | When the client boots all I get is the busy box
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| 13:42 | Any ideas ot pointers will be appreciated.
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| 13:46 | <andygraybeal> he was patient
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| 13:46 | <boom^time> The impatience of folk looking for free advice is fascinating.
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| 13:47 | <elias_a_> This is specific to this channel.
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| 13:47 | <boom^time> Hah.
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| 13:47 | <elias_a_> I bet people are booting the LTSP system up and using IRC from a client termina.
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| 13:48 | <elias_a_> boom^time: No, really. This is the worst case nightmare. This channel I mean.
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| 13:48 | <boom^time> Oh I thought you were joking. I see people pop into channels where I've been waiting for days for a reply, they'll ask a question and the good ones will at least give it 15 mins.
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| 14:30 | <Enslaver> Someone had a q?
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| 14:30 | <otwieracz> q
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| 14:30 | q
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| 14:30 | I have one.
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| 14:30 | <Enslaver> Shoot
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| 14:31 | <elias_a_> q
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| 14:31 | <otwieracz> Wow! You also have q!
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| 14:31 | <Enslaver> Im in my car driving to work but ill try
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| 14:31 | <elias_a_> I have even more. q q q q
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| 14:31 | Enslaver: No, stop.
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| 14:31 | <Enslaver> Can i buy a vowel?
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| 14:32 | <Enslaver> Work is 1 min away
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| 14:32 | Ask and ill reply from desk
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| 14:33 | <elias_a_> Sigh, North Americans....
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| 14:33 | :D
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| 14:33 | <Enslaver> If it helps im south north american
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| 14:37 | ok I'm at desk
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| 14:38 | <ltspuser_89> Hi
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| 14:38 | <Enslaver> low
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| 14:38 | <ltspuser_89> I want to mount a windows share when I login in a ldm session
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| 14:38 | <Enslaver> That's done through your window manager
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| 14:39 | <ltspuser_89> I have tried with pam_mount but pam_mount has problems with ssh connections
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| 14:39 | <Enslaver> i.e. gnome/kde
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| 14:39 | <ltspuser_89> but I don't want to go to all users
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| 14:39 | <Enslaver> try smbmount or smbclient
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| 14:39 | <ltspuser_89> I want to have shares in windows like //server/user
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| 14:39 | yes
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| 14:39 | I know the command
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| 14:39 | <elias_a_> Enslaver: Ok. Good for you!
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| 14:40 | <ltspuser_89> but I want to know where is the best place to put so it runs on user's login
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| 14:40 | <Enslaver> so you want to mount a remote cifs share in a local users home?
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| 14:40 | <ltspuser_89> yes
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| 14:40 | <Enslaver> well, if i remember correctly you can put it in ~/.Xsession
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| 14:41 | <ltspuser_89> but I have to go to each user's folder right??
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| 14:41 | can I put in rc_file??
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| 14:41 | <Enslaver> theres a global Xsession that the ltsp uses
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| 14:41 | <ltspuser_89> where?
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| 14:41 | <Enslaver> /usr/share/ltsp
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| 14:42 | <ltspuser_89> thank you very much
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| 14:42 | <Enslaver> you can put it in a file called /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc
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| 14:42 | <ltspuser_89> I will try to put it there
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| 14:42 | ok
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| 14:42 | thks ;)
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| 14:43 | <Enslaver> np
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| 14:44 | on the client
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| 15:03 | <ltspuser_89> only one more question
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| 15:04 | in /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc i have access to the login and password that you insert on greeter?
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| 15:15 | <Enslaver> if you can script you can write a zenity dialog to read their username then password
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| 15:17 | <ltspuser_89> yes
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| 15:18 | but greeter gets the user's password and username
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| 15:18 | so it's stored somewhere
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| 15:18 | and I can use that to in that moment mount the share
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| 15:18 | no??
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| 15:30 | <Enslaver> no
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| 15:31 | That doesn't store the username and password anywhere, it simply authenticates/logs in to the server via ssh
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| 15:31 | <ltspuser_89> ok
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| 15:31 | I need to do something auto
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| 15:32 | can't be manual
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| 15:32 | <Enslaver> its insecure but you can store their username/password in a file in their home directory and have the client read that
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| 15:34 | <ltspuser_89> yes
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| 15:34 | I just wanted to use the login and password that the user provides
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| 15:35 | the user authenticates via ssh and then I will mount the share
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| 15:35 | only that
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| 15:35 | but the greeter is compiled right?
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| 15:35 | <Enslaver> yes, but it runs bash scripts, i don't think it will export the user/pass to one though
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| 15:40 | if your using gnome check out Gigolo and gvfs
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| 15:46 | <ltspuser_89> ok
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| 15:46 | thks
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: we need to implement story removal from ltsp.org, a school has asked for it...
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| 16:16 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, and by 'we' you mean 'me'?
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| 16:16 | <muppis> :)
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> I can help in notifying the schools :P
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| 16:17 | <Hyperbyte> I have a question though.
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| 16:17 | <Hyperbyte> Why do they want to remove themselves from the map?
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> Because they're not using LTSP anymore
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| 16:18 | <Hyperbyte> Did you tell them we don't support Windows?
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> We (ts.sch.gr) do support windows over ltsp too :P
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| 16:19 | <Hyperbyte> I don't.
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| 16:19 | If they reinstall LTSP, I can look into their request.
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| 16:19 | <Enslaver> lol
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> I think a few schools started ltsp as an experiment but they gave up on it due to hardware issues (e.g. missing server or gigabit switch)
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| 16:19 | Currently only one reported that it's not using ltsp anymore
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| 16:20 | But still the map should support removal
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: it's like you said, no security updates for desktop components of 10.04.
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| 16:22 | On the other hand, in gnome-fallback the panel completely disappears in 10% of the times and noone has taken the time to fix it
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> So between unsecure components and unusable components, I prefer the first ones myself :D
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| 16:22 | <andygraybeal> okay, i didn't realize there was a comprimise.
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> gnome-fallback has been deprecated upstream too
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| 16:23 | <andygraybeal> at least a compromise like that. between unsecure and unusable.
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Some people have been focusing on mate instead
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| 16:23 | <andygraybeal> hmm okay
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Most schools here are using 12.04. But we don't urge schools that use 10.04 to upgrade, because 12.04 has a lot of issues.
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| 16:25 | <andygraybeal> i understand.
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| 16:25 | thank you for explaining all of this. http://mate-desktop.org/ gives me hope because i see sbalneav name!!!!!
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| 16:36 | okay, thank you alkisg, you have given me something to think about.
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| 16:38 | <sbalneav> andygraybeal: If seeing my name gives you hope, you're in a lot of trouble :)
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| 16:38 | I'm a pretty hopeless case myself :D
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> sbalneav: does mate have any plans to use gtk3 instead of 2?
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| 16:55 | (btw, is that your voice on the first video at mate-desktop.org?!)
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| 16:55 | <ogra_> alkisg, that would mean you nee GL again
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> ogra_: gtk3 needs gl?
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| 16:55 | <ogra_> *need
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Not gnome. Just gtk3...
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| 16:55 | <ogra_> parts of it make use of it
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| 16:55 | at least of the composite stuff
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> That's part of the window management though, not gtk3, right?
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| 16:56 | <ogra_> if you want a gnome2 like desktop that uses gtk3, try cinnamon
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> I.e. lxde, xfce et all will all be able to use gtk3 in the future, won't they?
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| 16:56 | cinnamon needs gl
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| 16:56 | <ogra_> its even an option in raring now
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> mate doesn't
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| 16:58 | <ogra_> right, i think highvoltage maintains their panel upstream ... i guess he could tell you about the plans
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| 16:58 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Yep:
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> I knew about sbalneav being upstream for mate, but I didn't know about highvoltage... nice!
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| 16:59 | <sbalneav> http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/roadmap
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| 16:59 | Add support for GTK3
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| 16:59 | Add support for Wayland
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| 17:00 | <ogra_> heh
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| 17:00 | if wayland by then is shipped anywhere :)
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| 17:00 | (its only 3 years old yet :P )
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> sbalneav: that's for the core components, so gtk2 libraries won't be loaded at all in the future, right?
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| 17:00 | <sbalneav> Well, it's a roadmap. If the road goes to nowhere... :)
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| 17:00 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 17:00 | <sbalneav> eventually, yeah, that's the plan.
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> Very nice
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| 17:01 | <ogra_> sooner or later you wont find a distro shipping gtk2 ... like it was with gtk1
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| 17:01 | <sbalneav> That's part of the deprecations work I did.
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| 17:01 | <ogra_> (iirc debian and ubuntu have the core libs but nothing else anymore)
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| 17:02 | <sbalneav> exactly.
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| 17:02 | <ogra_> like it is with old versions
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| 17:03 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Yeah, that's me, btw
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> You sound much younger.. maybe lack of proper beer :D
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| 17:03 | ogra_: what do you think ubuntu will recomment for LTSP, for 14.04?
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| 17:03 | Unity won't work with LTSP, no gtk2 around... so?
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| 17:03 | MIR won't work on the desktop...
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| 17:04 | <sbalneav> My voice is very nasal, and always sounds different on recording equipment than it does in person.
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| 17:04 | <ogra_> alkisg, waht makes you think Mir wont work on the desktop ?
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> ogra_: you said that a couple of weeks ago...
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| 17:04 | <ogra_> Mir will be default on the desktop by 13.10
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> That it's just enough work to make it run on ubuntu touch only
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| 17:05 | <ogra_> probably still shaky by then ...
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> OK, that's good news for MIR. But not good news for LTSP...
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| 17:05 | <ogra_> Mir will be rocksolid on touch by 13.10 ... and will enter the desktop by then
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| 17:05 | why not ?
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| 17:05 | once it enters the desktop there will also have to be XMir
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| 17:06 | which means you can run the X protocol on top of Mir
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| 17:06 | that should be enough to get ssh -X to fly
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> Thin clients are already slow, they'll be unusable by introducing yet another layer there
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| 17:06 | <ogra_> LDM_DIRECTX might not work anymore
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| 17:06 | its not "another layer"
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| 17:07 | it replaces a lot of low level layers
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| 17:07 | i doubt you will see any perfomance differecne to todays X
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| 17:07 | and thanks to Mir you will be able to use any android device as thin client
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| 17:07 | imagine the ouya ;)
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> What do you think will happen with the other desktop environments (LXDE, XFCE, Gnome...) and MIR?
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| 17:08 | <ogra_> a wondeful $99 thin client
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> They'll continue to use plain X?
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| 17:08 | <ogra_> they will use GTKMir or XMir
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| 17:08 | GtkMir will get you a performance boost ... while XMir will just be similar to today
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> So the other ubuntu flavors will need to support MIR, in order to be "acceptable"? Or they can choose to ignore MIR completely?
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| 17:09 | <ogra_> we wont drop Xorg from ubuntu :)
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| 17:09 | they are free to choose what they like
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| 17:09 | like they are today
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| 17:09 | but i could imagine the better performance might drive some to Mir
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| 17:09 | (and the better HW support)
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| 17:10 | while i.e. lubuntu has a touchscreen edition, getting X on a tablet to work is a pain
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> Will MIR run on all current drivers that even lack GL support? E.g. nouveau, via...
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| 17:10 | <ogra_> if you have Mir support you just get that part for free
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| 17:10 | currently Mir runs *only* on these drivers on the desktop
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| 17:11 | the only accelerated bit is the GLES side (android)
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> So how will they get performance improvements if it doesn't use hw acceleration?
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| 17:11 | Currently, X does have hw acceleration...
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| 17:12 | <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec?action=show&redirect=MirSpec#Mir_Today
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| 17:12 | it uses the in lkernel DRM/KMS drivers
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| 17:13 | Xorg has multiple layers between the kernel and your display ... these will just be gone
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| 17:14 | imagine an Xserver in the kernel ... (thats super inaccurate ... but should give you an idea about the performance difference even when unaccelerated)
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> I don't know... e.g. watching divx video on thin clients is completely smooth now
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| 17:15 | With XV gone, I don't think that will be possible anymore
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| 17:15 | We'll go to 32bpp instead of the current 12bpp
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| 17:16 | And I just hope that scaling will happen client-side... but I doubt that too
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| 17:16 | So we'll need a couple of Gbps for watching video on a single client, vs 50 Mbps now...
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| 17:16 | <ogra_> no idea what the story for video playback is atm ...
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| 17:17 | i know that there is massive work in gestreamer going on though
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| 17:17 | but how much of that is network streamable, i dont know
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> Did you hear anything about VNC and MIR?
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| 17:18 | Any new implementations or protocols going on there?
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| 17:18 | <ogra_> no idea, but you could ask in #ubuntu-mir ;)
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> Thanks :) I do think that reusing Qt and android drivers is a good plan, but I'm afraid that MIR will be problematic for LTSP at least for a few years until it's first published... Let's hope I'm wrong :-/
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| 17:36 | <sbalneav> Hey, anyone got a good pointer to how to set up an LTSP thin client for testing using KVM?
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| 17:36 | I got myself a sexy new laptop, with enough horsepower to run KVM, so I figured I could use that to simulate a thin client.
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| 17:46 | <ogra_> alkisg, what will be hairy is xauth for sure
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| 17:46 | alkisg, since XMir will operate rootless
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| 17:46 | so tricks like dumping tokens on the root window wont work
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| 17:59 | <sbalneav> heh, so vagrantc mentioned that out of the 4 dm's that he's tried libpam-sshauth with, 3 work, and kdm crashes.
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| 17:59 | So, I go to install kdm in my chroot.
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| 18:00 | and the wall of text appears :)
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| 18:00 | 367 packages to install! :)
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> !kvm
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| 18:02 | <ltsp`> kvm: To boot a fake thin client with kvm: kvm -ctrl-grab -net nic -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> sbalneav: ^
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| 18:05 | <sbalneav> nice!
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| 18:10 | <ltspuser_41> Hi, could someone tell me if HP T200 ZERO CLIENT is supported
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| 18:16 | <sbalneav> Looking quickly at it, I'd say "not out of the box", but I could be wrong.
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| 18:17 | Yup, libpam-sshauth definitely DOES segfault with kdm. That's bad.
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| 18:18 | <sbalneav> I'm usually pretty anal about making sure I'm checking my buffers and such, wonder what I'm missing...
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| 18:19 | <ltspuser_41> The problem is that T200 communicate via UDP port 53200 to the server. How coud I make the server answer the request?
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> ltspuser_41: zero clients are a completely different technology than netbooted clients with e.g. ltsp
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| 18:21 | I don't think you'll find answers here for them
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| 18:21 | "Requires HP MultiSeat ms6200 Desktop with Windows® MultiPoint™ Server 2011"
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| 18:22 | Try contacting hp support
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| 18:23 | <ltspuser_41> T200 apparently comunicate in USB and needs USB-over-Lan. Could LTS do such a thing? No luck with HP support.
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| 18:24 | USERFUL fully supports T200 but I preferr LTSP if possible\
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> No, LTSP is not related at all with zero clients
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| 18:24 | You need real clients for LTSP
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| 18:25 | <ltspuser_41> Too bad...thanks for the info.
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> You could e.g. use LTSP to netboot several userful servers, since _they_ are real clients
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| 18:26 | But not zero clients.
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| 18:31 | <ltspuser_41> I will look for alternative solutions... Have a nice day!
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| 18:55 | <highvoltage> ohi
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| 18:55 | alkisg: I'm not involved with upstream mate directly, but I've been in contact with them a lot recently
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| 18:56 | alkisg: old gnome stuff is mostly going to be known as 'flashback' now. just finished all the necessary beaurocracy/discussion for that hehe
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| 19:11 | <ogra_> highvoltage, oh, you took over gnome2 upstream ... alkisg sorry for the confusion ...
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| 19:15 | <highvoltage> it's ok even the upstream gets confused with everything hehe
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> there is a fork of gnome2 other than mate?
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| 19:16 | <gvy> :]
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| 19:18 | <ogra_> vagrantc, "flashback"
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| 19:18 | which is just gnome2 ....
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| 19:23 | <highvoltage> technically it's gnome 3 stuff
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| 19:24 | and technically it's not a fork
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| 19:31 | <alkisg> highvoltage: this one? https://live.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback ... does it require GL or LLVMpipe?
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| 19:31 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: version 97 pushed
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| 19:31 | login under KDM works for me.
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: cool!
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| 19:34 | sbalneav: with your patches?
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| 19:38 | <highvoltage> alkisg: yes that one, no it doesn't
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: or kdm just always worked for you?
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| 19:40 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: yeah, it was cacking on something in process args. Theoretically, what I was doing before should have worked, but I got a lot more "paranoid" about the arg handling, and that worked.
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| 19:41 | When I first tried it, it was segfaulting. On rev 97, it doesn't
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| 19:41 | In fact, I did a remote login under KDM.
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| 19:41 | So that's pretty SWEEEET
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: this is in libpam-sshauth, or ltsp-pam-examples?
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| 19:46 | sbalneav: so, basically, we've got support for GDM3, KDM and LightDM ?
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| 19:58 | <andygraybeal> sbalneav, bro, first time today saw your website about MATE .... first thing, i love yerba mate; i like mine fresh not steeped. and it looks like your doing awesome work.
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| 19:59 | http://mate-desktop.org/
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| 20:05 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: yes. in libpam-sshauth. That's where I pushed up the fixes.
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| 20:06 | and yes, I've now tested 4 dm's light, g, k, and slim
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| 20:06 | andygraybeal: Thanks. I'm a bit player in both ltsp and mate, but I try my best to be useful.
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| 20:07 | <andygraybeal> sbalneav, is mate mature enough to rollout in my business? alkisg if i stick with straight ubuntu i balance between not having security updates for the desktop package in 10.04 OR i risk having a non-working desktop in 12.04 .... so mate is supposd to save the day, correct?
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: how do you get slim to work?
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| 20:07 | <andygraybeal> because i start not having desktop updates next month.
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i had problems with session selection
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| 20:23 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: I had to edit the slim.conf file manually
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| 20:24 | vagrantc: Hold on, I'll try and find the changes....
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| 20:25 | I had to set:
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| 20:25 | sessions remote-mate,remote-twm,default
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| 20:26 | <sbalneav> remote-mate was a little shell script based on the xsession script in the ltsp-pam-examples file I plunked in /usr/bin
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| 20:27 | slim doesn't look at any .desktop files in /usr/share/xsession, which is unfortunate, so you have to manually cobble together some stuff.
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| 20:28 | andygraybeal: Well, 1.4 which is the current "production" has some issues, but the 1.5 "dev" version (which will become 1.6) is beginning to get pretty stable.
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| 20:28 | andygraybeal: I'm planning on switching to it in the coming months.
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| 20:28 | <andygraybeal> okay, sbalneav, i will follow your lead.
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| 20:29 | i'm afraid to do anything
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| 20:29 | i'm also trying to leave my current job..and i'd hate to leave them in a limbo state
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| 20:29 | <sbalneav> I'd wait until we release 1.6 officially.
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| 20:29 | <andygraybeal> sbalneav, thank you. i will remember that.
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| 20:29 | <sbalneav> but that'll be in a month or two, rather than months and months
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> sbalneav: doesn't https://live.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback that highvoltage is working on, make more sense than mate? I think that too focuses on getting a UI similar to gnome2, but with gnome3 components, supported upstream...
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| 20:30 | (upstream in gnome)
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| 20:30 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Depends on your use case. Gnome's announced that they're not going to be supporting Flashback.
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> sbalneav: flashback or fallback?
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| 20:31 | I thought flashback was to be officially supported...
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| 20:31 | <sbalneav> Maybe fallback. One of the two. Anyway, gnome fallback/flashback doesn't look exactly the same as Gnome 2.
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| 20:32 | And besides, people are welcome to run what they want.
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| 20:32 | <sbalneav> I liked gnome2. I liked the look, I liked how it works.
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| 20:32 | <sbalneav> it did everything I wanted, but still had a few nagging bugs.
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| 20:32 | <andygraybeal> i just want something stable and supported.. and hopefully future proof :(
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| 20:33 | <sbalneav> Well, nothing is future proof, even if you support it entirely yourself.
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| 20:33 | <andygraybeal> i know i know ;(
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| 20:33 | i'm guess i'm whining now
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> It's just a pity when similar efforts are divided, and each team gets half of the development power...
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| 20:33 | <sbalneav> And certainly, I can forsee a day when LTSP itself may not be viable, with all this wayland, etc stuff.
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| 20:34 | <andygraybeal> yea, mir now or something
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| 20:34 | it's such a moving target
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| 20:34 | <sbalneav> I think it's a pity when a perfectly good and working desktop gets screwed up because somebody decides they want to more closely ape apple.
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> People will need netbooted computers even when wayland and mir are around...
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| 20:35 | That is a pity too :)
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| 20:35 | <andygraybeal> i agree with alkisg, but i don't know the alternatives
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| 20:35 | <sbalneav> I think it's a pity we spend a lot of time now in the linux world rewriting stuff that works, for a new flavour of the month instead of fixing bugs
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| 20:35 | I think it's a pity I don't have a steak and a beer in front of me right now.
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| 20:36 | Life is suffering. :)
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| 20:36 | <highvoltage> you're an artist, sbalneav
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| 20:36 | <sbalneav> I'm an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> ...just hold on there until you have a lobster, a beer and a few friends in front of you :)
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| 20:37 | <sbalneav> No, wait... that was a movie :)
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> Life has its good moments too
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| 20:37 | <sbalneav> Life has many good moments, I was being humourously philosophical. :)
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| 20:38 | <andygraybeal> i like your humor scott
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| 20:38 | i'm extremely depressed
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| 20:39 | <sbalneav> Don't be. "This, too, shall pass"
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| 20:39 | <andygraybeal> i hope that things work out, i was hoping to move over to 12.04 in a week or so
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| 20:39 | i kind of hope to leave my job in a month or less if possible
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| 20:39 | <sbalneav> Leave for what? Another Job?
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| 20:40 | <andygraybeal> scott, yes, i hope
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| 20:41 | <sbalneav> Well, don't leave the one you have until you have the next one lined up :)
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| 20:41 | <andygraybeal> i'm working on it
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| 20:41 | <sbalneav> And besides, remember, you can always help the old job out after-hours when you leave... for a little extra cash on the side.
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| 20:42 | Every job I've ever left I kind of "hung around" a bit after I left for a month or two. Usually they were more than happy to pay for some of my time. I didn't gouge, but I did make some beer money.
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| 20:43 | <andygraybeal> true :)
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| 20:43 | i just want to make the right decision.. even changing the desktop seems to another interface seems like a bad decision :(
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| 20:43 | if i could have things look just like they look now in 10.04, that would be awesome and less painful for everyone.
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| 20:43 | <sbalneav> That's why I'm moving to mate.
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| 20:44 | Our users are very "change averse"
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| 20:44 | so, I'd like to get LTSP to the point, in the next month or so, where pam logins and USB sticks work.
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| 20:44 | And have MATE work.
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| 20:45 | Then, the transition will be more or less "seamless" for my users.
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> yay.
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| 21:01 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: It work for you?
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: won't have a chance to test till later
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| 21:02 | sbalneav: was cheering on seamless transitions
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: but did upload a patched package to http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/debian/pool/main/libp/libpam-sshauth/
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| 21:20 | <sbalneav> Once we're satisfied it works, should we bump to 0.4?
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| 21:20 | or 0.3.1?
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> so the ssh key support would be added with scripts? not in libpam-sshauth itself?
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> Ah, well that'll be 0.4 then.
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| 21:24 | yeah, combo of both.
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| 23:08 | <gbaman> heres a question for you guya, is LTSP fat client without netbooting (OS installed on machine) possible?
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| 23:09 | but still having ease of adding new users, login screen and auto mounting of their server hosted network drive
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| 23:09 | <laurense> i don't think if you can still call it an ltsp fat client
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| 23:10 | or just an active directory like setup
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| 23:10 | <gbaman> i dont really mind what it is called
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| 23:10 | i just need a setup like that
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| 23:11 | trying to do it for raspberry pis, want to be able to log onto a network based account and it auto mount their home directory
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| 23:11 | <vagrantc> gbaman: it is possible, it takes some hacking.
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| 23:12 | <gbaman> just to make it even more complicated, it is as i said, on a raspberry pi, which is running a port of debian
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| 23:12 | :)
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| 23:12 | so far from my research, it is looking crazy complicated
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| 23:13 | while with windows, it is just AD and a roaming profile
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| 23:13 | and i love LTSPs ease of use (after it is set up) for adding new users
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> it isn't all that difficult
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| 23:14 | <gbaman> and doing things like changing user passwords
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> you could also run the RPI as an actual thin client
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| 23:14 | <gbaman> na, want it as a normal client
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> "normal" client?
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| 23:15 | <gbaman> it is for a school and the pupils will be hacking away with stuff like the GPIO pins
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| 23:15 | so needs to be the local OS
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 23:16 | well, it's all possible, it just requires knowhow and experimentation ... nothing out of the box
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| 23:16 | <gbaman> we may also do LTSP normal thin clients with them for other stuff
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| 23:16 | it is mainly the "knowhow" that i lack
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| 23:16 | i am quite new to linux based stuff
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| 23:17 | any ideas on how to get this "knowhow"? or anyone that would know how to do it?
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| 23:26 | ?
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| 23:29 | <vagrantc> gbaman: that's a bit broad of a question... basically you just need to install the ltsp-client package, and then configure /etc/lts.conf, and set up /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts with the host keys of your server...
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| 23:30 | only real way i know to get knowhow is to start trying things ...
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| 23:34 | <gbaman> i have no clue where to start...
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| 23:34 | *sigh* why is there no LTSP forums...
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| 23:35 | <sbalneav> gbaman: because we have an LTSP irc channel.
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| 23:36 | <vagrantc> gbaman: i'd recommend learning how to do typical LTSP thin clients on more conventional hardware ... no sense trying to fly before you can walk.
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| 23:37 | <gbaman> i already have set up an LTSP server (with a DHCP proxy server) and have got working with fat and thin clients
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| 23:38 | and already tested clients booting from it, still love tha bit
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| 23:39 | <vagrantc> gbaman: i'd start by installing the ltsp-client package on your RPI, then.
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| 23:39 | gbaman: and whatever packages you want to run locally.
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| 23:39 | i.e. iceweasel, libreoffice, whatever
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| 23:40 | gbaman: you'll need a desktop environment of some kind ... maybe lxde or xfce4
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| 23:40 | gbaman: the magic is what to tell it at boot to behave like a fatclient.
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| 23:40 | gbaman: but that's a starting point
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| 23:41 | <gbaman> just to clarify, the raspberry pi cant pxe boot
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| 23:42 | * vagrantc helped get the 3.2 kernel working on the rpi | |
| 23:42 | <vagrantc> for raspbian, anyways
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| 23:43 | <gbaman> ah, well in that case
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| 23:43 | you never know with people if they know about the raspberry pi :)
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| 23:43 | <gbaman> i still need a way for the pi to log in
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> i got LTSP booting on it loading the kernel and initrd off the sd card... though have yet to document it or check with more recent kernels
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| 23:44 | <gbaman> to the LTSP server
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> gbaman: well, i've described the packages you need to install ...
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| 23:44 | <gbaman> oops, read it wrong, sorry
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| 23:45 | I am able to start with rasbian, right?
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| 23:45 | because we will want to be able to easily update the SD card images each time the foundation release new images
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| 23:46 | so just add on some stuff to their images if possible
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| 23:46 | <vagrantc> installing ltsp-client should basically be all you need to do
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| 23:46 | then
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| 23:47 | <gbaman> didnt know there was a ltsp-client package
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> this is only the third time i've mentioned it :P
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| 23:47 | <gbaman> :)
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| 23:47 | i am slow :)
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| 23:48 | ok, these are in the rasbian repo?
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| 23:48 | not at a pi right now
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| 23:48 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 23:49 | you could also check at http://packages.debian.org/PACKAGE and there's a pretty good chance it's also available on raspbian
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| 23:49 | for wheezy
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| 23:50 | since raspbian is a rebuild of debian wheezy
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| 23:50 | gbaman: there's also a #raspbian channel on freenode
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| 23:50 | <gbaman> so all i need to do is grab those
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| 23:50 | i know, already asked on the raspberry pi forums and got nothing useful
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> well, from a booted raspberry pi, sudo apt-get install ltsp-client
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| 23:51 | and then a few tweaks to the boot configuration
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| 23:51 | adding to bootargs: init=/sbin/init-ltsp
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| 23:51 | <gbaman> to get it to go to login screen
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| 23:52 | <vagrantc> then you'll need to add the server's ssh keys to /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts and set SERVER=xx.xx.xx.xx and LTSP_FATCLIENT=true in /etc/lts.conf
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| 23:53 | think that's about it
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| 23:53 | <gbaman> does the LTSP server need to any files for arm?
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| 23:54 | or any extra config files?
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> you'll want ldm-server installed on it
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| 23:56 | <gbaman> should i not already have it?
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| 23:56 | i have run fat clients before off it
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| 23:56 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, it should be good then
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| 23:57 | never hurts to double-check :)
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| 23:58 | <gbaman> found the package in the debian repo, does have this under it
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| 23:58 | DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only for installation inside a LTSP client file system
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| 23:58 | erm
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| 23:58 | <vagrantc> the version in wheezy should be safe.
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| 23:59 | it used to be more destructive...
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| 23:59 | <gbaman> but is available for arm, so all good :)
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| 23:59 | it is classed as testing for wheezy
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| 23:59 | <vagrantc> yes, wheezy is still in development for a bit longer
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