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Channel log from 8 September 2011   (all times are UTC)

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02:52
<m4xx__>
once i've made my fati386 env, i know i can chroot to it and install stuff using apt. is it possible to actually load up the desktop to install stuff graphically?
02:56
if i startx it doesn't capture my keyboard or mouse
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03:17
<m4xx__>
anyone? =[
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07:35
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GuiInstallLocalApp
07:37
<alkisg>
The best way would be to export it read/write and boot it via NFS, otherwise some applications / installers that need the system dbus etc running will have problems
07:38
I'm not sure how will the ltsp initscripts interfere with the writable nfs booting, though
07:40
<Hyperbyte>
Writable NFS booting worked fine for me with Fedora.
07:40
<alkisg>
E.g. NFS uses some bind-mounts over a tmpfs to make some files like /etc/hostname writeable
07:40
If your write over those, any changes will be lost
07:41* alkisg would like to work on making NFS rw booting work properly, though
07:42
<Hyperbyte>
As alternative to NBD?
07:42
<alkisg>
No, for easily customizing fat chroots
07:42
Just for one client, not for many
07:43
Either some VM running on the server, or any client in the local network => that will also help when someone uses a different arch like ARM
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07:45
<Hyperbyte>
Interesting. :)
07:45
<alkisg>
I'll poke the others about it at BTS ;)
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08:44
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Gary!
08:45
<garymc>
yo Hyperbyte
08:45
good morning
08:45
girls still reporting that their terminals are slow as shit
08:45
and this is the new 64bit system :S
08:48
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, this is why you should debug problems to find causes, rather than just replace/reinstall systems and hope it is fixed. ;-)
08:48
But we've had that discussion before.
08:49
You have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf I assume?
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08:54
<garymc>
ILL CHECK THAT NOW
08:54
whoops, just on the phone
08:54
<Hyperbyte>
OKAY
08:55
<garymc>
haha
08:55
where is lts.conf ? :S
08:56
<Hyperbyte>
!lts.conf
08:56
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
08:56
<Hyperbyte>
Haha, it doesn't say the location on there. =)
08:56
Should be /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
08:57
If you're looking for a certain file you can use the locate command, if you have it on your system... i.e, "locate lts.conf"
08:57
You can also do find / -name "lts.conf"
08:58
'locate' searches a bit quicker, as it checks a database cache of the filesystem. 'find' actually searches the harddisk realtime.
09:01
<garymc>
jeez just looked back here now :)
09:03
I have nothing there
09:03
also my clients are 64bit not i386
09:04
i have this folder /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64
09:04
but no lts.conf in there :S
09:06
i done a search and it shows its here: /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf
09:07
but nothing set in it.
09:07
<Hyperbyte>
There is nothing in that file?
09:08
There should be some text in there.
09:08
Have you read it?
09:08
<garymc>
im gonna pastebin now
09:08
<Hyperbyte>
:)
09:08
<garymc>
yes
09:08
<Hyperbyte>
What does it say about the file? ;-)
09:09
<garymc>
http://pastebin.com/9zx3eCpe
09:09
it says make it elsewhere if you want it, then run a update image command
09:09
could my image files be too big?
09:09
so the clients run slower?
09:10
<Hyperbyte>
...
09:10
Read again, please.
09:10
It says you need /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
09:10
And as you pointed out, that since you run an amd64 chroot, i368 doesn't apply
09:10
It should be/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
09:11
<garymc>
so i can keep it there or go to other location
09:11
if i keep it there I have to run update-image command
09:12
sop what does LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf do?
09:12
<Hyperbyte>
!lts.conf
09:12
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
09:24
<garymc>
ok so I can just put that comment in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf then rebuild image and that should speed stuff up?
09:34
<Hyperbyte>
Under [Default] header, yeah.
09:35
Do that, reboot client, then verify the client has read an accepted the config by running 'getltscfg -a' in a local xterm
09:35
!localxterm
09:35
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
09:37
<garymc>
do I add the default header?
09:37
cos there is only example
09:37
i think i missed some text in the pastebin
09:37
http://pastebin.com/1WJd8X0R
09:37
<Hyperbyte>
Have you been reading what I've told you?!
09:38
11:10 <Hyperbyte> It says you need /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
09:38
11:10 <Hyperbyte> And as you pointed out, that since you run an amd64 chroot, i368 doesn't apply
09:38
11:10 <Hyperbyte> It should be/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
09:38
<garymc>
the line that concerns me is : # **** THIS FILE SHOULD NO LONGER BE USED FROM HERE !!! ****
09:38
ok
09:38
so I have to create that file?
09:39
<Hyperbyte>
If you want to put configuration in it, yes, you'll have to create it.
09:39
It's a bit weird that it didn't do that by itself, but maybe it works different with an amd64 chroot.
09:40
<garymc>
thing is, how do you creat a file in terminal
09:41
think i sussed it
09:42
<Hyperbyte>
You really need to work a bit more on your general Linux knowledge. ;-)
09:42
<garymc>
ok file created
09:43
1st line : [Default]
09:43
2nd line: LDM_DIRECTX=True
09:43
so now reboot thin client
09:44
and run that command in thin client terminal window. yes?
09:44
<Hyperbyte>
11:34 <Hyperbyte> Under [Default] header, yeah.
09:44
11:35 <Hyperbyte> Do that, reboot client, then verify the client has read an accepted the config by running 'getltscfg -a' in a local xterm
09:45
<garymc>
;P
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09:47
<garymc>
Hyperbyte : getltscfg currently not installed :S
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09:49
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, you are not following my instructions.
09:50
Read again, understand difference between xterm and local xterm.
09:50
<garymc>
i could have sworn i did
09:50
i dont know xterm
09:50
<Hyperbyte>
man xterm
09:50
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/xterm
09:50
<garymc>
i thought local xterm would be log in as a normal user goto terminal and run that command
09:50
<Hyperbyte>
Seriously Gary, and this is the best advice I can give you - learn more about the tools you're working with.
09:51
You're gonna run into problems again later, and it's very helpful if you know how to fix it yourself.
09:51
Read again everything said at 11:35, okay?
09:51
And read the xterm manpage introduction, so you know what xterm is.
09:52
(11:35 is my time, by the way... the 35th minute of this hour)
09:53
<garymc>
ok
09:54
thanks
10:12
ok done that, newly booted client says:
10:13
LDM_DIRECTX="True"
10:13
export LDM_DIRECTX
10:13
hyperbyte is this right?
10:19
<Hyperbyte>
This is good!
10:20
Reboot slow clients, this will probably help.
10:24
<garymc>
Cool, only one thing to fix and that dhcp3-server starting after reboot :S
10:26
<Hyperbyte>
So the clients are faster now?
10:27
Can you experiment with rebooting the server now, or is that difficult?
10:30
<garymc>
no can do with rebooting
10:30
:(
10:31
not sure if clients are faster. Just some webpages on our admin section load incorrectly at times
10:31
like they stretch out
10:31
or they process slowly
10:31
<Hyperbyte>
Remove the line we added to /etc/rc.local
10:31
And use this trick:
10:31
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=565921#c8
10:32
<garymc>
ok
10:32
<Hyperbyte>
Put that script Andrew Davis gives there in the directory he says, (just like you created the lts.conf file)
10:32
And then run chmod +x <file> on the file
10:33
You can call the script 02dhcpfix
10:47
<garymc>
cheers ill give it a go when i get back , gotta nip out. cheers
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12:27
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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12:30
<nosedrum>
hi all !
12:30
little issue
12:31
after a fresh built-client , a openssh-server install under chroot and a ltsp-update-image
12:31
i can connect ssh on ltsp clients but not login
12:31
seems like users passwd reseted ........
12:37
<alkisg>
nosedrum: there are no users defined in ltsp clients
12:37
To use ssh, you'd need to create a user in the chroot
12:37
Or unlock the root password, and allow root ssh
12:37
<nosedrum>
the built-client erase the user in passwd
12:38
ok
12:38
<alkisg>
ssh in the chroot also has some security implications
12:38
<nosedrum>
ok so i have to useradd somes user in chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
12:39
<alkisg>
Or unlock the root password, yes
12:39
<nosedrum>
or to modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sshd.conf foir root login
12:39
<alkisg>
Yes
12:40
<nosedrum>
ok thx again alkisg !
12:40
<alkisg>
PermitRootLogin yes
12:40
So no sshd_config change needed, just to unlock the root account
12:47* Hyperbyte is fighting with Thunderbird
12:48
<alkisg>
Are you winning or losing?
12:48
<Hyperbyte>
My IMAP cache has become 8.9 GB big... I assume that's the real spcae of e-mail that's taken up... especially my 'Archive 2009' was quite big
12:48
So I started deleting e-mail.... deleted about 15000 garbage messages
12:49
Started Thunderbird... it said "Downloading messages from Archive 2009"
12:49
Checked profile folder
12:49
9.2 GB ....
12:49
<alkisg>
It might have an option to compact its mail database
12:49
Is that with gmail?
12:49
<Hyperbyte>
Google a bit... turns out, it's because Mozilla doesn't compact folders by default. You have to enable it in settings and/or do it manually.
12:49
So I enable it in settings, then run manual compact...
12:50
The folder is now 9.5 GB
12:50
<alkisg>
Haha
12:50
<Hyperbyte>
So basically... I deleted a few gigabyte of e-mail, compact my mail folders, and my Thunderbird ImapMail cache has grown about 600 MB in size.
12:51* Hyperbyte sighs.
12:51
<Hyperbyte>
I wonder if the developers of Thunderbird are secretly storing their porn collections in my ImapMail folders or something... this is ridiculous.
12:52
I just checked - my raw mailbox data on the mailserver is around 2 GB.
12:52
So what the hell is Thunderbird storing in that 9.5 GB Imap cache?
12:52
<alkisg>
I'm thinking of switching from gmail/evolution/pop3 to gmail/thunderbird/imap
12:53
<Hyperbyte>
Oh! 9.6 GB!
12:53
<alkisg>
Would you advice against that/
12:53
Haha
12:53
<Hyperbyte>
It's growing right under my eyes!
12:53
<alkisg>
Still growing?
12:53
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, it's still downloading archive 2009 messages.
12:53
Maybe it hasn't started actually compacting yet....
12:53
<alkisg>
I think I read about a problem where imap resulted in duplicate folders
12:54
<Hyperbyte>
Seems strange though, to have an entire mailbox cached, then re-download it entirely, and delete the cache, in order to update it.
12:54
I can recommend Thunderbird above Evolution... definitely, I prefer it. But not sure if it's needed for simple things though, like having one Gmail account.
12:55
9.7 GB
12:55
<alkisg>
"if it's needed" => so what would you use instead?
12:55
<Hyperbyte>
...
12:55
<alkisg>
You mean plain webmail?
12:55
<Hyperbyte>
Sure.
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12:57
<Hyperbyte>
ehm... 9.8 GB
12:57
This isn't funny anymore.
12:57
<muppis>
No, it just started to being fun. :)
12:57
<Hyperbyte>
It's now decided it needs to re-download archive 2004-2008
12:58
muppis, hah...
12:59
ehm... now it's downloading my Sent mail folder... why oh why has it decided to re-download all my e-mail?
13:00
<alkisg>
Evolution/pop3 never did that to me, though :P :D
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13:01
<Hyperbyte>
Well, Thunderbird better not ever do this to me again!
13:01
<muppis>
pop3 is for there, here or both. imap is for both.
13:02
<alkisg>
Last time I tried imap was 6-7 years ago. It was so problematic that I quickly abandoned it
13:02
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, so? That doesn't explain how 2 GB of messages in my mailbox turn into a.. oh, at this point whopping 10.1 GB profile folder...
13:03
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, have you checked where your 2 G is used in server. I mean, do you have inbox and other folders in same place?
13:04
<Hyperbyte>
Yep.
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13:04
<Hyperbyte>
Well, no, but the 2GB is both combined.
13:04
<muppis>
Then TB is doing something funny.
13:04
<nosedrum>
i'm back
13:04
<Hyperbyte>
It's just Thunderbird being crazy.
13:05
<nosedrum>
FOR Information: i'm migrating 83 ltsp server from 9.04 to 10.4.3 LTS
13:05
<Hyperbyte>
Currently it's downloading even more archived messages...
13:05
10.2 GB and probably still counting...
13:05
I wonder if it's ever gonna stop downloading and actually compact.
13:06
<alkisg>
83 ltsp servers? Or one ltsp server with 32 clients?
13:06
<Hyperbyte>
Or LTSP server #83. =D
13:06
Oh, great.
13:07
<nosedrum>
we have little no 83 ltsp server
13:07
really 83
13:07
<Hyperbyte>
You have 83 LTSP servers?
13:07
<nosedrum>
the migration procedure is ok, it's working
13:07
<dead_inside>
wow
13:08
<nosedrum>
but we have some bad effect on some clients
13:08
<Hyperbyte>
WTF
13:08
I'm at 11 GB now.
13:08
<nosedrum>
like blanck screen a reboot on 10.0.4.3 image
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13:08
<nosedrum>
i'm in ssh on client
13:08
i don't see anything in messages
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<nosedrum>
in 9.04 image the lts.conf contains :
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<nosedrum>
CONFIGURE_X = True
13:09
X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:09
and X_MODE_0=1024x768 on client section
13:10
<Hyperbyte>
nosedrum, you've upgraded the server, right? Have you also rebuilt the chroot?
13:10
Because else you're running a 10.4 server with a 9.4 chroot
13:11
<ogra_>
and you cant upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 directly ... that will get you a lot of broken stuff
13:11
<nosedrum>
no
13:11
chroot = 10.4.3
13:12
and ltsp 10.4.3
13:12
<ogra_>
and you upgraded through 9.10 to 10.04 ?
13:12
<nosedrum>
9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.0.4.3 LTS
13:12
<Hyperbyte>
Thunderbird is awesome. It uses 8.9 GB disk space, says "you can compact it so it's less"... I say "okay, compact it"... it spends a god aweful long time downloading (?) messages, increases the profile folder to 11 GB. Then finally it says "now I can compact" and it compacts it to 10.9 GB
13:13
<ogra_>
great
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13:13
<Hyperbyte>
This is quite hilarious..........
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<Hyperbyte>
A-ha!
13:17
Apparently Thunderbird has decided to make 10 seperate caches for the same mailbox.
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<Hyperbyte>
Now that we've figured out how... I'd like to know... why, oh for the love of this green earth, WHY!
13:18
<alkisg>
nosedrum: no CONFIGURE_X needed in 10.04
13:18
Try with just:
13:18
[Default]
13:18
XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768
13:18
Nothing else
13:20
<nosedrum>
il'l try
13:20
but i put XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768 in client section didn't work
13:21
<alkisg>
What was the problem? Blank screen? What was the last output message?
13:21
<nosedrum>
blanck screen after ubuntu loading
13:23
<alkisg>
If you put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, do you get a shell?
13:23
<nosedrum>
i'll test
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<nosedrum>
(it's a distant site )
13:26
still a blanck screen ....
13:27
<alkisg>
If you got a blank screen with SCREEN_02=shell, then either your client doesn't read lts.conf, or it's not an X problem but something more serious
13:27
Do this:
13:28
edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
13:28
Replace "quiet splash" with "break=bottom"
13:28
Reboot the client. You'll get a busybox shell.
13:28
There, type: cat /tmp/lts.conf
13:28
And see if you got lts.conf from the server
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<alkisg>
Sorry, not `cat /tmp/lts.conf`. Run this instead: cat /root/etc/lts.conf
13:32
<nosedrum>
i'm connected ssh on clients
13:32
<alkisg>
ssh works with blank screen?
13:32
OK, ignore what I said above then. Run this from ssh: getltscfg -a
13:33
And put the result to pastebin
13:34
<nosedrum>
http://pastebin.com/T6pTwW33
13:34
<alkisg>
You have too many options
13:34
Use only the XRANDR_MODE_0=1024X768. Or even not that.
13:35
Remove RCFILE_01, XRANDR_OUTPUT_0, X_MODE_0 etc etc
13:35
Or completely remove your lts.conf temporarily.
13:38
<nosedrum>
see my lts.conf
13:38
http://pastebin.com/FRdwBEFL
13:39
<alkisg>
nosedrum: temporarily completely remove your lts.conf
13:39
Until we troubleshoot your graphics problem
13:39
<nosedrum>
i have mv lts.conf lts.conf.save
13:39
and reboot client
13:39
<alkisg>
Nice
13:39
<nosedrum>
still rebooting
13:40
<alkisg>
Then, run getltscfg -a again, to verify that it doesn't have any lts.conf settings at all.
13:41
<nosedrum>
still blanck ....
13:41
getltscfg -a
13:41
return nothing....
13:42
<alkisg>
Nice. Let's move on:
13:42
!xauthority
13:42
<ltsp>
alkisg: xauthority: To access the thin client X display from ssh or from a local console, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=')
13:42
<alkisg>
Run this on your ssh session
13:42
Then, run: xrandr
13:42
And put the output to pastebin
13:45
<nosedrum>
first: http://pastebin.com/aNL4UzyF
13:45
second: root@p3_a01:~# xrandr
13:45
Can't open display
13:46
<Hyperbyte>
ldm isn't running
13:47
How are you starting sshd on the thin client?
13:48
<alkisg>
nosedrum: so neither LDM nor X is running? `pgrep X LDM` returns nothing?
13:48
<nosedrum>
apt-get install openssh-server chrooted in /opt/ltsp/i386
13:48
<alkisg>
pgrep X ldm
13:49
<nosedrum>
root@p3_a01:~# pgrep X ldm
13:49
Usage: pgrep [-cflvx] [-d DELIM] [-n|-o] [-P PPIDLIST] [-g PGRPLIST] [-s SIDLIST]
13:49
[-u EUIDLIST] [-U UIDLIST] [-G GIDLIST] [-t TERMLIST] [PATTERN]
13:49
xD
13:49
<alkisg>
Eh, sorry, one by one
13:49
pgrep X
13:49
pgrep ldm
13:49
<nosedrum>
root@p3_a01:~# pgrep X
13:49
3922
13:49
root@p3_a01:~# pgrep LDM
13:49
root@p3_a01:~#
13:49
<alkisg>
lowercase
13:49
pgrep ldm
13:49
<nosedrum>
root@p3_a01:~# pgrep ldm
13:49
3987
13:49
better
13:50
<Hyperbyte>
Interesting that pidof doesn't return it?
13:50
<alkisg>
tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/3987/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY='
13:50
What's the output of that?
13:51
<nosedrum>
root@p3_a01:~# tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/3987/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY='
13:51
-bash: /proc/3987/environ: No such file or directory
13:51
<alkisg>
And now pgrep X shows a different number?
13:51
<nosedrum>
root@p3_a01:~# pgrep X
13:51
4377
13:51
yes
13:51
<alkisg>
OK so X is crashing + restarting all the time
13:51
Which card is that? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
13:52
<nosedrum>
ok
13:52
radeon
13:52
<alkisg>
Please run the exact command above
13:52
<nosedrum>
root@p3_a01:~# lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
13:52
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791f]
13:52
Kernel driver in use: radeon
13:52
Kernel modules: radeon
13:53
<alkisg>
Never tried this, but what happens if you run this from ssh? xinit -- :2
13:53
Also, put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin
13:53
<nosedrum>
http://pastebin.com/u8qSLUGR
13:54
<alkisg>
OK that doesn't work from ssh :D
13:54
Put your Xorg.0.log from the client to pastebin, and then try this:
13:54
in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, change "quiet splash" to "nomodeset", and reboot the client
13:55
<nosedrum>
http://pastebin.com/5PcJ7Bwy
13:55
<alkisg>
Not xorg.7.og
13:55
Xorg.0.log
13:56
<nosedrum>
do not exist
13:56
just .2 and .7
13:56
<alkisg>
Hm, paste the .2 then
13:57
cat /etc/issue on the client says 10.04.3, right?
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<nosedrum>
nomodeset make the work
14:00
<alkisg>
Cool
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<alkisg>
You can put that in pxelinux.0/01-mac-address to make it specific to that client
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<alkisg>
*pxelinux.cfg/
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<garymc>
Hyperbyte : Just implemented that script for the bug fix, just waiting for a quiet window for a server restart :S fingers crossed
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<garymc>
Hyperbyte : that bugfix didnt work
14:15
:(
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14:48
<nosedrum>
back
14:48
thx again alkisg
14:48
but not really understood why nomodeset make it working ..........;;
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<Hyperbyte>
garymc, output of following please
14:55
ls -al /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/
14:55
cat /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/02dhcpfix
15:02
(I have to go, second job awaits...)
15:02
Will check back here in three hours or so.
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15:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
e/me tips his hat
15:26
I am having a problem with speaker muting when plugging headphones in to a client.
15:27
I don't recall this being an issue before, but the external speaker no longer mutes
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<garymc>
Hyperbyte : For when you return : http://pastebin.com/x9dSQQfR
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15:36
<junkY_San>
hey there
15:37
<garymc>
hey
15:37
is there a better browser than firefox for ltsp clients in ubuntu?
15:37
<junkY_San>
is there anyway to set the ROOTSERVER and BOOTSERVER variable via kernel or initramfs parameter?
15:42
garymc, define 'better'
15:47
<garymc>
more stable?
15:48
just my thin clients faults keep happening, but maybe its the website we use. i ll know more in a few weeks
15:48
so scrap that comment :p
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<alkisg>
junkY_San: what is BOOTSERVER? Which distro/version are you using?
15:56
ROOTSERVER is used in many cases, which one do you want to set?
15:57
<junkY_San>
alkisg, i got stuck during the initramfs and i typed "set" and saw the variable ROOTSERVER which pointed to the tftp-server instead of the nbd-server
15:57
<alkisg>
So you're using ubuntu? Which version?
15:57
<junkY_San>
the workaround is to append nbdroot=IP:PORT in the kernel-commandline
15:57
right, 10.04. but recently upgraded vom 9.04
15:57
*from
15:58
<alkisg>
That's indeed one of the ways around it. :)
15:59
<junkY_San>
other question: should usb forwarding work out-of-the-box? it deosn't for me
16:00
<alkisg>
It's not general usb forwarding, it's only for specific file systems: fat, ext2/3, ntfs etc
16:00
So no cameras or other usb devices
16:01
<junkY_San>
pitty
16:01
but also my usb-stick doesn't appear on the client
16:01
<alkisg>
That is something to start troubleshooting, yeah
16:02
But don't expect other devices like cameras to ever work, except if you use localapps
16:04
<garymc>
alkisg : I still cant get server to load dhcp3 after server reboot. Any ideas?
16:04
<alkisg>
garymc: please ask in the channel, don't ping specific persons (again) :)
16:04
<garymc>
i thought youd say that after I done it :P
16:05
I still cant get server to load dhcp3 after server reboot. Any ideas anyone?
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<garymc>
no ideas....... :s
16:27
<junkY_San>
garymc, you're problem is that the dhcp3 service is not starting after reboot?
16:27
*your
16:29
<garymc>
yes
16:31
<junkY_San>
but it's startable via "/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start" ?
16:31
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
16:36
<garymc>
its starts via "sudo service dchp3-server start"
16:37
*dhcp
16:37
*dhcp3
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<junkY_San>
garymc, have a look at the link
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<garymc>
ok
16:40
<junkY_San>
does localdev still require the user to be in fuse group and the fuse module loaded on the server?
16:44
<garymc>
can i connect to my LTSP server via Remote Desktop?
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<kusznir>
Oh, I had a user request if there's an easy way for her to open logins to two different termservers (both linux/ltsp) on different screens (alt-Fx). Is there a way for a user to do that?
17:03
garymc: Remote Desktop (the protocol) is a windows-specific protocol. There are linux viewers, but as far as I know, no linux servers.
17:04
garymc: you can install a program such as NX (nomachine.com) on your terminal server(s), and have users download and install the free NX client (from nomachine.org), and log in that way.
17:04
<junkY_San>
kusznir, he already parted
17:04
<kusznir>
Hmm..Oh, I must have join/part messages off for this chanel...thanks for letting me know.
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<junkY_San>
i have tracked down the localdev error
17:10
with the help of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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<junkY_San>
step 4 fails. it says "Authentication failed."
17:11
<alkisg>
step 4? running just "id" fails?
17:12
<junkY_San>
sorry, step 4 under the "Debugging the chroot" section
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<alkisg>
Did you check the basics first? (1) when you upgraded your server, did you run ltsp-build-client to generate a new chroot? and (2), what filesystem does your stick use? fdisk -l
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<junkY_San>
yes, and i tried two different sticks, both using fat32
17:17
the lstpfs_fstab is also correct
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<junkY_San>
alkisg, is there a way to check if the ssh keys match?
17:35
<alkisg>
junkY_San: if the user has logged in, then they match :)
17:36
<junkY_San>
i'm currently reading http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/ltspfs-upstream/src/ltspfsd_functions.c. search for "So, if any of the following isn't in place"
17:36
i'm a little confused regarding the hostname resolution
17:38
<alkisg>
!ltsp-source
17:38
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
17:38
<alkisg>
About the hostname... not much is needed, the "server" hostname gets in /etc/hosts on the client, while it boots
17:40
<junkY_San>
i can't find the file in the trunk you linked
17:40
<alkisg>
!ltspfs-trunk
17:40
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltspfs-trunk: The LTSPFS code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk
17:40
<alkisg>
Nah, let me fix the link...
17:41
!forget ltspfs-trunk
17:41
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
17:41
<alkisg>
!learn ltspfs-source as at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk/files
17:41
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
17:42
<vagrantc>
alkisg: might make sense to point to all three sources with a single thing ... i.e. !ltsp-sources
17:42
<alkisg>
!ltsp-upstream
17:42
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-upstream: (#1) The upstream LTSP source can be found at: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/, or (#2) Comitters to the LTSP upstream branch on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
17:43
<alkisg>
!forget ltsp-upstream 1
17:43
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
17:44
<alkisg>
!learn ltsp-sources as at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/
17:44
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
17:44
<junkY_San>
regarding to this source the only thing is checked is the key
17:44
<alkisg>
OK?
17:45
<junkY_San>
yep, but i still have the same problem ;)
17:45
<alkisg>
Nah I was asking vagrantc if those factoids are ok :)
17:45
I don't know much about localdevs to help you, I don't use them
17:46
<junkY_San>
"ltspfsmounter /tmp add" gives me an "authentication failed"
17:46
<vagrantc>
alkisg: looks fine to me :)
17:46
alkisg: just don't remember what they all are ...
17:46
<alkisg>
vagrantc: good thing this bot has a "I don't know this, but I know that" function
17:46
!sources
17:46
<ltsp>
alkisg: I do not know about 'sources', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-sources'
17:46
<alkisg>
;)
17:47
vagrantc: any chance you'd make it to the BTS? /me will be there!
17:52
<junkY_San>
seems to be a known bug
17:52
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/690050
17:54
<alkisg>
Ah, your server is 64 bit?
17:54
<junkY_San>
yes
17:54
<alkisg>
*the installation, not the architecture...
17:54
<junkY_San>
both
17:54
<alkisg>
Yup I forgot about that
17:54
Indeed, but I think there was a patch proposed somewhere
17:55
There, comment #6: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/415952
17:56
<junkY_San>
then i'll need to manually compile ltsp right?
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<junkY_San>
thanks alkisg, but enough for today
18:05
i'll do that tomorrow
18:12
this also works
18:12
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/690050/comments/2
18:19
<vagrantc>
alkisg: no chance i'll make it, no... *sigh*
18:19
<alkisg>
:(
18:20
<vagrantc>
alkisg: though i was much closer to you and failed to make it, so what can i say :)
18:21
<alkisg>
If you're talking about the summer, yeah that sucked too :-/
18:22
<vagrantc>
someday... someday...
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<Hyperbyte>
mhmm
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<Hyperbyte>
Yo garymc!
20:04
<garymc>
yo
20:04
<Hyperbyte>
In the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d file
20:04
You have /sbin/service
20:04
<garymc>
yes
20:04
<Hyperbyte>
Type 'whereis service' in Ubuntu
20:04
<garymc>
service: /usr/bin/service /usr/sbin/service /usr/share/man/man8/service.8.gz
20:05
<Hyperbyte>
So, you see the mistake? :)
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<garymc>
ok not sure how I get into that file to change it though
20:06
<Hyperbyte>
How did you create the file?
20:06
<garymc>
cant even remeber where it is
20:06
i need to view logs
20:07
<Hyperbyte>
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/ :)
20:07
<garymc>
is it the 02dhcpfix file?
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<Hyperbyte>
uh huh
20:08
<garymc>
found it
20:08
<Hyperbyte>
It's not /sbin/service on Ubuntu, that's for Fedora... should be /usr/sbin/service
20:08
<garymc>
so whats the correct one
20:09
ah ok
20:09
not /usr/bin/service
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<garymc>
updated and rebooting
20:09
fingers crossed
20:10
missus is nagging me cos we got new baby
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:s
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god damn its still not running
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<Hyperbyte>
:\
20:12
I give up.
20:12
<garymc>
me too
20:12
ill find a fix one day
20:13
sooner rather than later
20:13
could it be /usr/bin and not sbin?
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<Hyperbyte>
ls -al /usr/bin/service
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<garymc>
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2011-09-07 12:11 /usr/bin/service -> /usr/sbin/service
20:16
<Hyperbyte>
See? :)
20:16
<garymc>
nope
20:17
what you see?
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i had a space in that file, shouldnt have been there, i corrected and rebooting
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<Hyperbyte>
The 'l' in front of the rwxrwxrwx means 'link'
20:19
<garymc>
so.....that means?
20:19
<Hyperbyte>
And /usr/bin/service -> /usr/sbin/service means first is a link to second
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<garymc>
so i should use the first?
20:20
<Hyperbyte>
No, it means it doesn't matter.
20:20
<garymc>
ahh ok
20:20
<Hyperbyte>
The real command is in /usr/sbin/service, /usr/bin/service is just a link to that command.
20:21
<garymc>
well i did have a space in that file so i corrected lets see if it worked
20:21
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
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<garymc>
not running
20:24
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, I was afraid of that.
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<Hyperbyte>
I can't explain it for you I'm sorry. I know too little about Upstart (the mechanism Ubuntu uses for booting)
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<garymc>
ok thanks anyway
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<Hyperbyte>
I know more about Fedora, which uses systemd now. It's pretty interesting.
20:30
garymc!
20:30
See the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/02dhcpfix
20:30
There's something you (and I) overlooked
20:30
Look closely at the service command
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:)
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<garymc>
is there
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/usr/sbin/service dhcpd restart || :
20:31
<Hyperbyte>
Copy/paste the service command there in a terminal if you don't see it :)
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<garymc>
should it be service dhcp3-server start ?
20:33
<Hyperbyte>
Not start, restart is good
20:33
But dhcpd should be dhcp3-server yeah.
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<garymc>
ok trying again
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reboot
20:36
YEEEEEEEEEe HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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bingo that did it
20:37
Hyperbyte, thanks a billion, we got there in the end SUPERB!
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
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<garymc>
thanks again Hyperbyte, I will be back on tommorow, cheers
20:44
good night and thanks again :)
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
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