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Channel log from 26 June 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<meeri>
heio
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<garbat>
Blank to all. I have a problem with Thin Client Manager with Ubuntu 7,04 and a configuration with ltsp-5. When I open the Screen window viewer not me appears the shielded one of the thin client and they give the following error to me: to install x11vnc. I have tried to install the package in the chroot but the problem remains
01:14
<meeri>
does anyone has experience with sound @ the clients ltsp4.2 or NVIDIA onboard graphics
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<meeri>
anyone with ALSA running
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<garbat>
blank to all. I have a problem with thin client manager of ubuntu 7,04 with system ltsp-5. When I open the card screen viewer me does not appear the display of the thin client and it says me to install x11vnc. I have tried to install the package in the chroot but the problem remains the same one
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<seveneleven>
Hello everybody !
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<meeri>
hi
06:54
I´m havin a problem here with the resolution of a TFT display. I specified 1280x1024 and X_HORZSYNC = 64 and X_VERTREFRESH= 60 xorg.log AddScreen/Scrren Init failed for driver0
06:55
<vagrantc>
how did you specify 1280x1024 ?
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<meeri>
X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024
06:59
<vagrantc>
do you know what type of video card you have? what driver it uses ?
07:00
<ogra>
if its a TFT it should report the resolution properly, sounds like its using vesa
07:00* vagrantc farts around in sevilla for another day
07:00
<ogra>
enjoy the weather :)
07:01
<vagrantc>
heh
07:01
fortunately, it was still cool when i got here, and found a hostel pretty easily.
07:02
<meeri>
I810 chipset with onboard graphic
07:02
<ogra>
it got quite cool in germany the last days
07:02
meeri, that will need you to install 915resolution
07:02
i810 doesnt work properly without it
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<meeri>
who can I do that?
07:04
how
07:04
sorry
07:06
<ogra>
cou chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386 and install the package for it with apt
07:06
(assuming you use ltsp5 here)
07:06
with 4.x i dont think there is an easy way
07:07
<meeri>
using 4.2 here
07:08
it works with other clients
07:08
<ogra>
indeed
07:08
<meeri>
but not with this hardware
07:08
<ogra>
but it doesnt have 915resolution included
07:08
<meeri>
hm
07:08
how hard is it to get 915 into 4.2
07:09
<ogra>
you likely have to recompile everything, but i'm not a 4.2 expert, wait for sbalneav or jammcq to show up
07:09
(nobody works on 4.x anymore, so the knowledge solwly fades)
07:10* ogra goes for a break before testing the next edubuntu isos
07:11
<ogra>
bbl
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<meeri>
so i810 is not gd for 1280x1024
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<meeri>
ha, another one, I have ALSA installed and need a driver for a SoundMAX ADI soundcard
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<mhterres>
hi guys
07:58
<meeri>
ohi
07:59
do u know where to find the correct sync settings for a TFT 1024x768
07:59
<ogra>
meeri, again ... your driver wont support more without 915resolution installed
08:00
<meeri>
yeah but I had 1024x768 in the morning and know I´m sticking with 800600
08:01
I hate these 10 clients, have to get rid of them
08:01
<ogra>
nah
08:01
use a decent ltsp on them ;)
08:02
ltsp5 has no probs with installing additional software inside client systems
08:02
<meeri>
I will upgrade to ltsp5, but this is my final project for this class
08:02
<ogra>
and with the i810 you even have 3D support thats faster than running it locally, compiz is a breeze on such graphics boards
08:02
even on ltsp
08:02
<meeri>
hehe
08:02* vagrantc laments unprepared and rushed talks
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<ogra>
or s/even/especially/
08:03
vagrantc, where is the recording of your talk ?
08:03* vagrantc hides the recordings
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<jammcq>
g'morning
08:04* vagrantc waves
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<ogra>
hey jammcq
08:05* jammcq wonders where in the world vagrantc is these days
08:05
<rjune__>
is that like where in the world is carmen sandiego?
08:05
<jammcq>
ogra: mark responded to that email very nicely
08:05
rjune__: same thing, only different
08:05
<vagrantc>
jammcq: back to sevilla
08:06
<jammcq>
wow
08:06
<vagrantc>
jammcq: head back to the US tomorrow morning
08:06
<ogra>
jammcq, mdz told me i should tell you to forward to him ... but thats obsolete now it seems :)
08:06
<jammcq>
they actually let you back into spain, eh?
08:06
ogra: I did forward to him too
08:06
<ogra>
vagrantc, so when does your job start now
08:06
?
08:06
<vagrantc>
jammcq: they barely looked at me
08:07
<ogra>
jammcq, thats what i assumed after our private talk yesterday :)
08:07
<vagrantc>
ogra: it's kind of up in the air
08:07
<ogra>
still ?
08:07
i thought you signed already
08:07
<vagrantc>
well, the UK immigration issues were before then
08:07* vagrantc needs to learn english
08:08
<vagrantc>
still need to find out just how long i can't reenter the UK
08:11
<rjune__>
why can't you go into the UK?
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<ms1>
hello
08:33
I had been having trouble with a blank white screen on a client for a edubuntu 7.04 installation
08:33
so I decidided to wipe everything clean and start over again
08:34
so, I just reinstalled the edubuntu server but I get nothing on the client now...
08:34
<mistik1>
!greyscreen
08:34
<ltspbot>
mistik1: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
08:34
<ogra>
mistik1, edubuntu doesnt support XDMCP ---
08:34
...
08:34
<ms1>
I have read articles that with 7.04 ltsp should be painless .....
08:34
not a gray screen ...
08:34
<ogra>
so that wont help unless he fiddled with lts.conf
08:35
<ms1>
just a blank blinkking cursor ...
08:35
<mistik1>
ogra: sorry, I've not run any of the new stuff now
08:36
<ms1>
I thought LTSP5 with edubuntu should run oyut of the box ...
08:36
<ogra>
ms1, it does for many many people
08:36
<ms1>
more of an issue - I dońt know how to troubleshoot...
08:36
<ogra>
sad that you wiped it
08:36
<ms1>
is there a log that the client dumps to ?
08:37
<ogra>
look in 7var/log/syslog
08:37
it should get logged on the server
08:37
<ms1>
well .. now that I have a clean new install ... it should be easier - or so I think :-)
08:37
<ogra>
the only exception is Xorg and ldm, they log directly on the client
08:38
<ms1>
syslog just stops at the dhcp stuff
08:39
ctrl-alt-F8 on the client has last msg :
08:39
Startting NBD client process: Connecting...Activating...nbd-client
08:40
<ogra>
thats fine, it means your boot went through
08:40
<ms1>
in syslog the last msg is : nbd-server[6691]: size of exported file/device is 33554432
08:40
<ogra>
nbd-client is started after ldm ....
08:41
right so your client mounted a swapfile from the server
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<ms1>
but I did not get a ldm login window on client ..
08:41
<ogra>
alt-f7 has nothing ?
08:42
<ms1>
no...in my case it is alt-F3, since my lts has SCREEN03=ldm
08:42
alt-F3 has a blinking cursor
08:44
<ogra>
SCREEN03=ldm ???
08:44
could you please boot with either the default shipped file or without oine ?
08:44
<ms1>
SCREEN_03 ..sorry typo
08:44
<ogra>
SCREEN03=ldm is definately not recognized
08:44
ah, k
08:45
but please try it first without fiddling with the file
08:45
its only needed for overrides
08:45
<ms1>
tried .. same result ..
08:45
<ogra>
you dont need it to get the clients going
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<ms1>
another thing - when I try to login at the alt-F1, I am unable to - even tho I can log in at the server ...
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<ms1>
shouldn I be able to login at the shell ?
08:49
on the client ..
08:50
<ogra>
no+
08:50
there are no users in a client chroot and root is locked
08:51
you can set a password for root there
08:51
run: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
08:51
on the server
08:51
to lock it again just
08:51
run: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l
08:52
<ms1>
thatś a good tip .. thanks ..
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<ogra>
if you want to install stuff or do maintenance inside the chroot, you can do that with sudo /opt/ltsp/i386
08:52
and ctrl-d to leave the chrooted environment
08:52
<ms1>
ctrl-d on the client ?
08:53
<ogra>
no
08:53
on the server if you have done any maintenance in the chroot
08:53
<ms1>
ok ...
08:53
<ogra>
/opt/ltsp/i386 == chroot
08:53
the chroot is different from what runs on the client ... its only the readonly base the system builds on during boot
08:55
so now, set a rootpw in the chroot, log in on the client and start witjh checking Xorg.6.log :)
08:55
in /var/log
08:55
also what specs do these clients have ?
08:57
<ms1>
thanks .. Itś a h/w box ....don´t know much about it ... I did manage to get it to work by enabling XDMCP and SCREEN_04=startx in the previous installation I wiped just now ..
08:58
so, I know the h/w client works fine ...
08:58
<ogra>
XDMCP has no feature support at all, no sound or localdevice support
08:58
you need ldm in ltsp5
08:58
<ms1>
also...cannot manage clients with TCM .. which is why I am bent on getting this to work with ldm :-)
08:59
<ogra>
yeah, all features are centered around ldm in ltsp5
08:59
so what HW specs do these clients have ?
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<ogra>
it sounds a bit like the ldm wallpaper is drawn (thats white) but the rerst doesnt work ... the only thing that comes to mind with such a behavior would be to less videoram or main ram
09:01
<ms1>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc$ sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
09:01
sudo: /opt/ltsp/i386: command not found
09:01
<ogra>
err
09:01
sorry
09:01
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
09:02
<ms1>
trying to set passwd ... no command found ..:-)
09:02
thanks
09:04
let me check the specs ..
09:05
<ogra>
also have a look at /var/log/ldm.log on the client
09:06
<ms1>
266MHz NS Geeode processor
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<ms1>
32MB upgradeable to 128 ...don know whatś actually on the client
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<ms1>
ldm.log on client says : Fatal server error : no screens found
09:12
before that is a line :
09:12
Screens found but none have usable configuration
09:12
<ogra>
aha
09:12
<ms1>
VESA(0): no matching modes
09:12
<ogra>
32M isnt enough
09:13
you are luck you got as far as you did, i wouldnt have expected you to get that far with 32M
09:13
the kernel alone usually needs 36M
09:13
to boot a client properly you should at least have 48M
09:13
recommended are 64
09:14
<ms1>
maybe ..it does have 64MB ...
09:14
<ogra>
gutsy (7.10 will lower that requirements a lot but is not production ready yet)
09:14
a lot == down to 28M
09:14
<ms1>
cause .. I get the client to work with screen_04=startx
09:15
<ogra>
ldm runs on the client
09:15
while you use the servers gdm with startx
09:15
<ms1>
ok.. that changes things a lot ..
09:15
<ogra>
so running ldm takjes more ressources
09:16
gutsys ldm lowers that to a quater though but as i said above, noot ready yet
09:16
<ms1>
whenś it targeted for release ?
09:17
let me see if I can add memory to the client ...
09:17
but why will the log file say : no screens found ?
09:17
<ogra>
yeah thats strange
09:18
but your x config works (else startx wouldnt)
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<ms1>
but that was in tyhe previous install..
09:21
should I muck around with the xorg screen modes /
09:21
?
09:21
<ogra>
no
09:21
what kind of graphics card is in there ?
09:21
(lspci )
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<ms1>
in the client ?
09:25
VGA compatible controller : Cyrix 5530 Video [Kahlua]
09:25
<ogra>
hmm, that should be supported by the cyrix driver
09:26
can you check the generated xorg.conf ?
09:26
does it say vesa or cyrix ?
09:26
<ms1>
where is the xorg.conf ?
09:26
<ogra>
/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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<ms1>
it says vesa
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<ogra>
try changing it to cyrix and run startx manually on the console, check if it starts
09:35
<ms1>
did that - now this error :
09:35
Cyrix(0): Given depth 24 not supported by this driver
09:36
Screens found but none have usable config
09:36
<ogra>
aha
09:36
<ms1>
should I change default depth to 16 ?
09:36
<ogra>
yeah, but if thats the real error you can even do that from lts.conf :)
09:37
and dont need to fiddle with the xorg.conf on the client
09:40
<ms1>
we can change the driver to cyrix too on the server if it works then ..let me try it ...
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<ogra>
no
09:41
no need to change the driver
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<ogra>
it should default to cyrix
09:42
on errors the x configuration falls back to vesa
09:42
<ms1>
well we saw it going to vesa on the client ...
09:42
<ogra>
so if you eliminate the error it should use the right driver
09:42
<ms1>
oh .... ok
09:43
<ogra>
(you can still set XSERVER if its not working as expected :)
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<ms1>
let me change the lts to use epth 16
09:46
depth
09:46
and try
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<ms1>
added def depth 16 ...and now the client's upand working !
09:58
thenks ogtra ...
09:58
sorry
09:58
ogra
09:58
<ogra>
yay
09:58
good stuff :)
09:58
<ms1>
thatś so cool...
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<ms1>
now I have about 40 of these clients that can go live !
09:59
thanks a lot for the troubleshooting and handholding .. that really helped ..
09:59
<ogra>
:)
10:00
<ms1>
:-)
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<jammcq>
ogra: you seen this: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1079
10:26
<ogra>
jammcq, got yuour ping from last night, yes
10:26
<jammcq>
ah, cool
10:26
<ogra>
fine, more choice :P
10:26
<jammcq>
also, I was talking with eHarrison yesterday. Fedora has someone actually working ltsp-5 integration
10:27
although it seems like they should hang out here at #ltsp
10:27* vagrantc wonders if the new LDM is still affected by http://bugs.debian.org/430074
10:27
<ogra>
and contribute to the code
10:27
<vagrantc>
at least, like, drop some of us an email or something
10:28
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, no, since it has no ldminfod integration yet :P
10:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: ah.
10:28
<jammcq>
it's like they need to prove they can do it *their* way
10:28
they'll come around eventually
10:28
<vagrantc>
the kiwi stuff sounded very much "their way" ...
10:28
for (open)suse
10:29
<ogra>
yep
10:29
doesnt seem like they can integrate that easily
10:30
<vagrantc>
but at least they're open about it
10:31
<ogra>
yup
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<vagrantc>
ogra: so, i didn't get a chance to check the URL you posted the other day ... was it about some progress with virtual hal devices ?
10:34
<ogra>
yeah
10:34
i have the code to add a ltspfs root device to hal now
10:35
with the new ldm and a hald running on te client we can push over all the hal data 1:1 now
10:35
all volumes we will have will register as children of ths root device
10:37
<vagrantc>
is ubuntu gonna grab upstream ltspfs changes? or is it too late for upstream changes ?
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<ogra>
i'll care about ltspfs along the way during hal integration
10:38
currently i just fixed the old ones to work with new ldm
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<ogra>
ooof, mksquashfs in d-i looks reallly evil ... but it works
10:43* vagrantc is very happy with writing to /var/run/ltspfs_fstab instead of /etc/fstab
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<edgarin_>
vagrantc, hi!
10:53
<vagrantc>
edgarin_: hola
10:53
<edgarin_>
vagrantc, como estas?
10:54
<vagrantc>
edgarin_: bien. hace mucho calor aqui
10:55
<edgarin_>
vagrantc, donde estas?
10:55
<vagrantc>
edgarin_: sevilla, espana
10:55
<edgarin_>
vagrantc, cool! :D
10:55
el debconf fue en tu país cierto?
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<ogra>
yay edubuntu tribe2 installs fine ... even though the installer is totally unresponsive for 20 min ... but thats easy to fix :)
11:16
squashing the image takes quite some time :/
11:26
<vagrantc>
ouch
11:26
<ogra>
found out why
11:26
it squashes the mounted cd as well ... :/
11:26
<vagrantc>
just generate the tree and nice the squashfs in the background
11:26
oops
11:26
<ogra>
so instead of 140M i have 808M now
11:27
well, good enough for a milestone CD
11:27
i'll work on a fix but if it doesnt go in before thursday i wont cry
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<ogra>
its good eough to test out the new ltsp stuff
11:29
i'll add an option to ltsp-build-client to skip ltsp-update-image and call that from ltsp-client-builder directly after unmounting the cd
11:29
that will also help with the progressbar
11:29
in d-i ...
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<adimetrius>
I get kernel panic - no option 'root-path' every other time i boot 10MBps workstations. Any ideas how to fix?
11:32
<vagrantc>
adimetrius: do you have two dhcp servers ?
11:32
<ogra>
10MBit ?
11:32
<vagrantc>
adimetrius: i.e. one of the LTSP server, and a router of some kind?
11:32
<ogra>
that works at all ?
11:32
<vagrantc>
ogra: uhhhhh. why not?
11:33
<ogra>
saturation
11:33
<adimetrius>
no only one dhcp
11:33
yes that works great - after it boots
11:33
a router or two routers, depending on the workstation's location
11:34
routers Acorp 8port 10/100
11:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: it definitely will boot slower, but once booted, network requirements are minimal
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<ogra>
well it might time out if you have more clients
11:34
<adimetrius>
does boot slower, works just fine for office apps
11:34
i usually have the server and another workstation on the net
11:34
<vagrantc>
adimetrius: you're absolutely sure DHCP isn't running on one of your routers ?
11:34
<ogra>
the nfs mount i mean
11:35
<adimetrius>
sorry - my terms might be bad - my router is a small box, it's not a computer, it doesn't have any intelligence
11:36
<vagrantc>
adimetrius: because what you said sounds like there's another DHCP server on your network that isn't configured to hand out the root-path options ... and routers frequently have DHCP servers running on them.
11:36
adimetrius: those often have DHCP servers running...
11:36
adimetrius: if you turn off DHCP on your LTSP server, can you still get DHCP requests ?
11:39
<adimetrius>
vagrantc: let me try...
11:40
no ip daaress for the wrkst when dhcpd stopped
11:41
<vagrantc>
try a bunch of times
11:41
and just to confirm, you were saying it sometimes works ?
11:42
<adimetrius>
vagrantc: yes, it works often, but smtms it won't work for 10-15 reboots
11:42
it almost never works at the 1st attempt
11:42
100MBps wkstations work just fine all the time
11:43
<vagrantc>
hmmm... strange
11:43
<adimetrius>
yes, looks like some driver/hardware bug
11:43
the slow wkst boot from a diskette - Etherboot
11:44
the fast wkst boot with ROM BIOS - PXE boot
11:44
<vagrantc>
are they downloading different files ?
11:44
<adimetrius>
yes they are according to standard dhcpd.conf shipped with ltsp
11:44
<vagrantc>
right
11:45
<adimetrius>
the etherboot loads vmlinuz, the PXE loads bzImage
11:45
<vagrantc>
you should be able to configure etherboot to emulate PXE ... so that you're setup is more similar
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<adimetrius>
how do i do that?
11:45* vagrantc detects ltsp 4.x
11:46
<vagrantc>
adimetrius: where do you get the floppy from ?
11:46
<adimetrius>
rom-o-matic
11:46
<ogra>
that offers PXE emu iirc
11:46
<vagrantc>
select the configure button ...
11:47
hmmm... seems to be default now.
11:47
<ogra>
good move _:)
11:47
<vagrantc>
adimetrius: then you could comment out the stuff in dhcpd.conf that selects etherboot image instead of pxe
11:47
<adimetrius>
and just have the pxe?
11:48
also, i've tried to download pxe images from rom-o-matic.org (.zpxe files), cat them to /dev/fd0, but those won't boot
11:49
<vagrantc>
those are to download a pxe stack via etherboot, not meant to be loaded from floppy
11:49
or something weird like that
11:49
<adimetrius>
well, i figured :-)
11:49
floppy ain't weird, i served us for 20 some years :-)
11:50
<vagrantc>
well, weird in that it's one boot loader used to load another
11:51* vagrantc is getting weary of the tricky-to-solve bugs in the debian BTS
11:51
<ogra>
which ones ?
11:53
<vagrantc>
406366/418142 ... tricky to solve without re-introducing the hostname=(none) bug
11:53
and 422962 ... the lingering nbd-server problems
11:54
<ogra>
thats fixed in the gutsy branch
11:54
<vagrantc>
and 395145 ... the problem with initramfs not initializing the network card ... never seen it myself
11:54
<ogra>
not sur ethat wasmerged in mainline yet
11:54
<vagrantc>
ogra: which was fixed ?
11:54
<ogra>
the keepalive option in /etc/hsts.allow
11:55
*hosts
11:55
ah, no thats not in mainline yet
11:55
ltsp-update-image adds it
11:55
need to move that somewhere else
11:56
<vagrantc>
echo 'nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive' >>/etc/hosts.allow ??
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<ogra>
vagrantc, right, i changed that to nbd-server already here
11:58
seems to work
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11:59
<ogra>
why do i see two bugs for 418142 in my inbox ?
12:00* vagrantc wonders if 8192 bytes is overkill for 430074
12:00
<ogra>
we could detect if a hostname is available from dhcp in initramfs and fiddle with /etc/hostname accordingly
12:00
<vagrantc>
hmmm... wonder what socket.MSG_WAITALL does, too
12:01
ogra: yeah, that would happen early enough
12:01
ogra: but if dhcp doesn't give it out ...
12:01
<ogra>
i'd like to move a lot of that stuff into initramfs in gutsy+1
12:01
we dont touch it
12:01
<vagrantc>
sometimes DHCP merely gives an ip and you inherrit hostname from DNS
12:01
<ogra>
we can also do a DNS lookup additionally
12:02
if neither is successful we leave the file in place
12:03
430074 is moot with the new ldm
12:03
we'll care that the right bufferzize is set
12:04
<vagrantc>
right, we'll need to ensure that we don't re-implement the same mistake
12:04
<ogra>
i have to see what scottie does with the interaction first before i can start off on ldminfo integration
12:04
not sure where it has to go yet
12:05
<vagrantc>
393748 is another we'll have to consider for the new LDM
12:05
<ogra>
it used to be in the frontend, but with scotts new stdin/stdout stuff it could go in the backend
12:05
fixed already :)
12:05
<vagrantc>
ah, cool.
12:05
<ogra>
the new C greeter scales properly
12:06
<vagrantc>
well, session and language selection "normally" happens before login ... so i'm not sure the new design will change much
12:06
<ogra>
we'll have dmrc support
12:06
a lot will change
12:06
<vagrantc>
ah. nice.
12:06
<ogra>
or we *will have* :)
12:07
not there yet, but with the separate control tunnel we can have full server client interaction :)
12:07
<vagrantc>
though it's still going to need to get a list of available ones before loggin in ...
12:07
<ogra>
indeed
12:07
getting the list from ldminfod has still to happen
12:07
but the handlig of that data will be different at login
12:08
i.e. we'll compare dmrc and the selection and pop up a dialog etc ... like gdm does
12:08
<vagrantc>
right
12:08
<ogra>
for the list i want to steal the translation headers from gdm ...
12:09
so we dont have any plain locates in the list anymore but proper names
12:09
*locales
12:10
<vagrantc>
looks like the new LDM could potentially close all the LDM bugs in the debian BTS
12:10
<ogra>
ad all the LP ones :)
12:10
*and
12:10
<vagrantc>
scotty implemented an init script, didn't he ?
12:10
<ogra>
nope
12:10
<vagrantc>
oh, i got confused with the rc.d stuff he did
12:10
<ogra>
we need a proper derooting first
12:11
well that shoud be renamed in PreSession.d :)
12:11
<vagrantc>
yeah
12:11
something like that
12:11
<ogra>
i'll drop most of the gnome patches in favor of that :)
12:11
we can easily set gconf values from the client now ... so no hacks needed anymore
12:11* vagrantc wonders what troubles de-rooting ldm will cause
12:11
<ogra>
X i guess
12:12
and writability for th dirs we use
12:12
<vagrantc>
well, ltspfsd runs as root, and the client-side sound systems ...
12:12
<ogra>
beyond that i dont expect probs
12:12
ltspfsd is started by ltsp-client-core
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12:12
<ogra>
as the sound
12:13
is
12:13
the socket sits in /var/run now ... if we make /var/run/ldm the home of the ldm user that should work
12:13
<vagrantc>
at least in the old ldm, sound did get restarted by ldm
12:13
<ogra>
and move everything in there
12:14
yeah
12:14
but only for esd
12:14
<vagrantc>
ah yes
12:15
<ogra>
plse doesnt need such hacks
12:15
*pulse
12:15* vagrantc likes pulse
12:15
<ogra>
we should probably look that we start thinking about dropping old cruft
12:15
<vagrantc>
yeah.
12:16
i was able to get pulse to work with etch, so esd and nas could maybe disappear entirely.
12:16
<ogra>
yeah
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<vagrantc>
it wouldn't kill backportability, i don't think ... not sure how it would affect other distros integrating
12:17
<ogra>
well, pluse should be available in all big ones
12:17* ogra sings "100 ways to typo pulse ..."
12:17
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's the biggest problem i have with it from what i've seen so far.
12:19
<vporo>
1
12:20
<ogra>
2
12:20
<vporo>
sorry :)
12:20
<ogra>
:)
12:22
<vporo>
any idea why line "X_MODE_0 = 1680x1050" does not set the resolution but I'm able to use that resolution if I set it in the the thin client
12:23
if I edit the xorg.conf in the thin client
12:26
<vagrantc>
vporo: which distro ?
12:27
<vporo>
ubuntu feisty
12:27* vagrantc wonders if X_MODE_* is supported in ubuntu
12:27
<ogra>
ubuntus X config doesnt respect that
12:28
you need to use either a static xorg,conf for that client or use X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRESH
12:28
(with the right values from your monitor handbook)
12:28
<vporo>
so I can't set resolutions ?
12:29
<ogra>
you can but not with X_MODE
12:29
<vagrantc>
ogra: was that an intentional thing ?
12:29
<ogra>
vagrantc, yes
12:29
its fixed in the newer xorg packages in gutsy afaik ...
12:30* vagrantc wonders about the intention
12:30
<ogra>
no idea
12:30
was a daniel stone thing and nobody ever questioned it since he was gone from ubuntu
12:30
bryce is doing a great job now with xorg
12:30
so that will change
12:32
<vagrantc>
oh no. i forgot to change my time zone ... it's an hour later than i thought
12:33
<ogra>
19:31
12:34
<vagrantc>
it'll be immediately obvious when i hit the midwest :)
12:34
<ogra>
heh
12:34
the brits are evil to us other europeans :)
12:34
living in their ow TZ
12:34
*own
12:34
<vagrantc>
so, heading west ... is that the easier side of jet-lag ?
12:34
<ogra>
yeah
12:35
you just have to stay up longer
12:35
<vagrantc>
good good.
12:35
<ogra>
thats a lot easier
12:35
<vagrantc>
that'll be hard ...
12:35
anyways ...
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<vporo>
ogra: are the values that I'm looking for described under bandwith on this page http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pi/25-871860/Monitors/Dell-E228WFP-Black-Product-Info
12:45
<ogra>
yeah, tat looks like it
12:45
*that
12:45
<vporo>
because I tried those and now the resolution is only 1024x768
12:47
X_HORZSYNC = "30-83"
12:47
X_VERTREFRESH = "56-75"
12:47
is that the correct syntax?
12:52
<ogra>
yep
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13:23
<Q-FUNK>
is anybody here using Geode-based products that might require merging patches into the xserver-xorg-veideo-amd driver for proper support?
13:23
video, even
13:27
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, i think you just miseed Gadi :)
13:27
*missed
13:28
<Q-FUNK>
aye
13:28
I wonder what they ended up selectign as their standard offering at Gadi's
13:29
i know it's Geode -based, but it's not our product. i'm ok with that, mind you, for as long as i'm wearing my NM hat.
13:30
I'm mostly interested in gathering patches from everyone and convincing AMD to have a proper git repository for all Geode stuff contributed by all Geode ODM
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14:07
<GodFather>
jammcq, were do I go
14:08
ping jammcq
14:09
<cliebow>
GodFather, Just a big fat hello from cliebow!!
14:11
<jammcq>
GodFather: check your private messages
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<vykarian>
hi guys..
14:24
Xlib: connection to "192.168.10.82:0.0" refused by server
14:24
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
14:24
with LTS clients running startx (almost 95% uses startnx)
14:24
thats keeps the gray screen with the X cursor
14:25
the weird is that sometimes (1/20) that shows the kdm_greet
14:26
thats from kdm.log
14:26
can someone help me?
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14:31
<vagrantc>
!greyscen
14:31
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "greyscen" is not a valid command.
14:31
<vagrantc>
!grayscreen
14:31
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "grayscreen" is not a valid command.
14:32
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
14:32
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', (1 more message)
14:32
<vagrantc>
!greyscreen
14:32
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
14:32
<vagrantc>
vykarian: try that
14:37
<vykarian>
vagra:
14:37
vagrantc ty for help.. but thats kinda weird..
14:38
looks like MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 is getting lost to the LTS client
14:38
around 40 clients are logging using NX (SCREEN_01 = startnx)
14:39
<vagrantc>
are there running NX sessions for any of the users trying to log in via XDMCP (a.k.a. startx)
14:39
<vykarian>
everything alright.. but for those that I should use the regular startx (for printscreening and desktop sharing) are getting this error
14:40
yeah, right now several through SSH channels (Xorg -query localhost)
14:40
<vagrantc>
possibly some sort of .Xauthority error
14:40
<vykarian>
I already created the /etc/X0.hosts allow the IP addresses..
14:42
since X0.hosts is already created, don't know if create Xauthority manually can solve that
14:43
<vagrantc>
what on earth is /etc/X0.hosts ?
14:43
<ogra>
vagrantc, ARGH !!!
14:43
HUGE ARGH
14:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: ok, what now :P
14:43
<ogra>
where does next-server in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf come from ?
14:44
that breaks al ubuntu setups
14:44
<vagrantc>
we've been through this already ...
14:44
it was added in debian. why on earth would it break ubuntu setups ?
14:44
<ogra>
because itzs hardcoded pointing to 192.168.0.2
14:44
<vagrantc>
other than having to maintain an extra line
14:44
<ogra>
err
14:44
0.1
14:44
which means all boots break
14:44
<vagrantc>
like there aren't other hard-coded values ?
14:45
<ogra>
nothing that could break anyting if you pick the right adress space
14:45
please remove it
14:45
thats why dhcp3 was patched
14:45
<vagrantc>
dhcp3 isn't patched in debian
14:45
<ogra>
i thought you dont use that file anyway you said
14:46
<vagrantc>
we do use it, just not automagically
14:46
everything in that file is hard-coded. i don't see what the problem is
14:47
<ogra>
see the ltsp.org wiki
14:47
<vagrantc>
the whole thing?
14:47
<ogra>
there is at least one page about that breakage
14:47
and why we pathed it on jamcqs request
14:48
<vagrantc>
well, i agree, the old behavior is better.
14:48
<vykarian>
vagrantc, should exist a /root/.Xauthority at LTS client?
14:50
<vagrantc>
ogra: the wiki page you were referring to is ... http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr ?
14:51
<ogra>
yeah
14:52
cant you generate that line during build-client ? it must have the server ip
14:52
until now no user did need to touch the file in ubuntu or edubuntu setups with two NICS
14:52
it breaks all CD installs for me
14:53
<vagrantc>
like i said, we've already been over this
14:53
it's not like this is new
14:55
<ogra>
its new since my last tribe CD
14:55
which is three weeks ago
14:56
it wasnt broken on tribe1
14:56
anyway it has to go from ubuntu
14:57
<vagrantc>
it broke whenever the merge from debian happened, i assure you
14:57
and you complained about it loudly then
14:57
<ogra>
i tested tribe1
14:57
and i wasnt aware its in there until now ...
14:57
which is to late to fix for tribe2 :/
14:58
<vagrantc>
you must be having amnesia :P
14:58
<ogra>
apparently
14:58
<vagrantc>
i distinctly remember it being loudly shouted in irc
14:58
<ogra>
the only thing i remember was a discusssion about the initscript patch we use to use taht file by default
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<vagrantc>
at any rate...
14:59
<ogra>
i dont understand why you urgently need that line in a file you dont use but that breaks on the system that makes use of it
14:59
<vagrantc>
some pressure on upstream and debian would be appreciated
14:59
<ogra>
by default ...
14:59
upstream already seaud they wouldnt change back
14:59
we had that discussion
14:59
<vagrantc>
well, there's no urgency involved, it's just debian's dhcp3-server doesn't work without specifying that line
14:59
<ogra>
*said
14:59
<vagrantc>
so it's much more complicated to document
15:00
<ogra>
how about putting it in commented ?
15:00
<vagrantc>
then you still have to document the uncommenting ...
15:00
we can change it at package build time or something
15:00
<ogra>
well, at no rate i can ship it as is
15:00
<vagrantc>
of course
15:01
my proposal: comment it out, and debian uncomments it at package build time
15:01
<ogra>
ok
15:01
<vagrantc>
ta-da
15:01
<ogra>
great :)
15:01
<vagrantc>
or something like that :)
15:01
<ogra>
sorry that i sound upset but i really didnt notice it before and the alst possible upload for tribe2 is just through
15:02
in any case i fixed the squashfs creation last minute ...
15:02
<mistik1>
ogra: how do I checkout the sources for the latest ldm and whatever else I need for ltsp5
15:02
?
15:02
<ogra>
so we dont eat up an extra GB for the image :P
15:02
<vagrantc>
!integrating
15:02
<ogra>
mistik1,
15:02
https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
15:02
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "integrating" is not a valid command.
15:02
<mistik1>
I'm going to give this a shot
15:02
<vagrantc>
!integration
15:02
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
15:02
<vagrantc>
mistik1: there
15:03
actually it's out of date
15:03
<ogra>
is there a link to ldm2 ?
15:03
like everything :)
15:03
<vagrantc>
i think it has the old bzr mainline branch
15:03* ogra had a user with ppc today whom he would have loved to offer to use the feisty tarball ... but thats so outdated that he had to buuild his own on a intel machine
15:03
<vagrantc>
oh hell. it's impossible
15:04
ogra: did you say both debian and upstream refused the dhcp3-server patch, or just upstream ?
15:05
<ogra>
just upstream but debian said "why differ from upstream"
15:05
<vagrantc>
maybe i'll file a wishlist bug...
15:05
mistik1: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline/
15:05
<ogra>
vagrantc, he wanted the *new* ldm :)
15:06
<vagrantc>
although that doesn't contain all the crazy new stuff ogra and scotty have bene working on
15:06
<ogra>
thats not merged yet
15:06
<vagrantc>
ah, the new LDM specifically ...
15:06
i just thought LTSP5 in general ...
15:06
<mistik1>
thanks
15:06
<ogra>
well, scotts is likel broken atm
15:06
<vagrantc>
i didn't have a chance to test the new LDM while at debconf ... :(
15:06
<ogra>
likely
15:07
<mistik1>
Well i want everything that would not already be in my distro
15:07
<ogra>
he's just half through writing the communication layer
15:08
<vagrantc>
i guess the gutsy branch would have the newest code
15:08
<ogra>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/scotts-gutsy-ogra
15:08
<vagrantc>
newest sort of stable code
15:08
<ogra>
thats specifically ldm
15:08
and wht we ship in gutsy atm
15:08
*what
15:08* vagrantc will from now on always add all branching history as part of the URL :)
15:08
<ogra>
heh
15:09
<vagrantc>
originally-based-on-mdz-but-patched-for-debian-and-added-crazy-features-from-ubuntu
15:09
<ogra>
well, thats one of these use once drop if feature is done branches :)
15:09
<vagrantc>
gah. i joined irc networks in a different order and my windows are all kinds of messed up
15:10
<ogra>
i find it confusing to find ten branches with the same name under different users
15:11
<mistik1>
I find that humorous since you are actively working on it
15:11
<vagrantc>
ah, better.
15:11
<mistik1>
No wonder i'm so lost
15:12
<vagrantc>
distributed revision control ... while wonderful ... can be hard as hell to keep track on current developments
15:13
<mistik1>
indeed
15:14
<vagrantc>
why on earth is scotty maintaining the configure and aclocal.m4 files in revision control ? those are automatically generated
15:14
<ogra>
launchpad helps :)
15:14
<vagrantc>
it generated conflicts on a pull
15:14
<ogra>
with the new branch subscription feature you get al the diffs in your mail if you want
15:14
on each commit
15:14
its very cool
15:15
<vagrantc>
how do you subscribe to branches that don't exist yet?
15:15
<ogra>
??
15:15
<vagrantc>
i.e. i put up some random new feature branch ...
15:15
<ogra>
how do i merge branches that dont exist yet ?
15:15
<vagrantc>
i said subscribe, not merge :P
15:15
<ogra>
well, either subscribe me or ping me :)
15:16
<vagrantc>
so it doesn't really help with that ...
15:16
<ogra>
well, if you know i'm upstream for a branch, it makes sense to subscribe me :)
15:16
if you do that i'll see all your changes
15:16
its up to you to subscribe the right people
15:16
<vagrantc>
or just get flooded with spam
15:17
<ogra>
well, i can unsubscribe with one click if it annoys me
15:17
<vagrantc>
it would be slick to be able to subscribe to bzr branch namespaces, rather than on a per-branch basis ...
15:17
i.e. automatically subscribe me to ~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/* and ~ltsp-drivers/ltspfs/*
15:18
<ogra>
yeah
15:18
<vagrantc>
one of many feature requests i never manage to get around to submitting
15:19
<ogra>
well, i'm already thrilled about the current functionallity
15:20
at least for the wrk with scott its great atm ...
15:20
might be hard if you start working with tens of branches
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15:21* ogra goes downstairs now ... susie is already angry that she didnt see me al day due to testing isos
15:21* vagrantc wonders if ogra has seen vagrantc's collection of branches
15:22
<mistik1>
guys, If i'm going to integrate all this and I have path issues with some of the client side scripts would I just make a new branch for my distro or what?
15:22
<vagrantc>
mistik1: yes
15:22
<mistik1>
I'm starting to read some of the scripts and am already seeing that some PATHs and such are a bit off
15:22
<ogra>
yeah, and add your fixes there and ping one of us to merge it
15:23
<vagrantc>
mistik1: though you might want to talk to us about how best to do it ... so we don't just conflict
15:23
mistik1: which distro you working on ?
15:23
<mistik1>
Well I'm talking about things like where Gentoo keeps Xorg binaries vs Ubuntu and such
15:23
vagrantc: Gentoo
15:25
<vagrantc>
mistik1: if you're really good, you'll make each and every feature it's own branch
15:25
but that tends to lead to insanity
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<mistik1>
hehe
15:25
I'd say
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<vagrantc>
but it does make it easier to merge some changes and not others
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<mistik1>
I agree, however that may take more time than I have available
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We'll see
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<ogra>
make sure to talk to dberkholz as well ... he already did some work and identified stuff
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(for gentoo)
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anyway, really off now ... bye
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<mistik1>
later ogra
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<rjune__>
mistik1 !
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<mistik1>
hey rj
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<whiprush>
jammcq: ping
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<jammcq>
whiprush: pong
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<whiprush>
jammcq: I have the greatest ltsp story ever told.
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<jammcq>
oooh, cool
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<whiprush>
so like, someone just called me "the labs are down"
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"omg emergency"
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so I go up there and all the terminals had reset
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and I was like "what the hell."
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ends up, there was this girl in the lab, and it was getting hot, so she pulled the plug to the "air conditioner" to restart it.
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except that the "air conditioner" was the switch in the room for the clients
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so basically, the lab was full of people, and she just walks up, thinks the switch is an air conditioner for some reason, and pulls the power plug.
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that's all I got.
15:42
Best LTSP story ever.
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<vagrantc>
hm.
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<jammcq>
heh
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<vagrantc>
leaves me unfulfilled
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<jammcq>
that's a great one :)
15:43
<whiprush>
heh
15:43
guess you had to be here.
15:43
<fgiraldeau>
off topic: Does someone will attend to the Linux Symposium in Ottawa this week?
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<whiprush>
I think her classmates are going to throw her out the window
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<jammcq>
not me
15:45
iv'e been to many of the OLS's in the past
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<fgiraldeau>
Why not this year?
15:46
Well, if something is interesting, I will let you know.
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<jammcq>
well, in years past, the kernel summit was also taking place at the same location. but that's changed this year, so to me, than means fewer interesting geeks to talk to
15:47
also, i'm doing too much other travelling. I've decided that this year, I'll do OSCON instead of OLS
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<fgiraldeau>
Ok, cool. There is so much things to do and so little time :)
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<Q-FUNK>
whiprush: LOL
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<fgiraldeau>
Have a nice day all
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<Q-FUNK>
whiprush: i think that she will rediscover the joys of hazing pretty soon.
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<mistik1>
ok baby here I go
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<lns>
Can anyone recommend a good typing tutor for an Ubuntu LTSP5 setup for ~35 students? TuxType / KType doesn't really cut it, we need something with a solid curriculum / progress system, something that looks really good (no console)...
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free OR commercial
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<mistik1>
Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey mistik1
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<mistik1>
hey man
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<sbalneav>
Whoo hoo!
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Got logged in with the scriped greeter!!!
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\o/ me!
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