IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 December 2019   (all times are UTC)

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11:42
<kvaps>
alkisg, could you trigger ltsp-cloud build please?
11:42
<alkisg>
kvaps: hello, sure
11:43
<kvaps>
(y)
11:43
<alkisg>
(done)
11:43
<kvaps>
thanks!
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<meo>
I just realized greek has the exact same phonemes as russian
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<kvaps>
> I just realized greek has the exact same phonemes as russian
13:04
Yep, and both are using cyrillic letters
13:05
But I'm russian and I can't fully recognize greek ones, they are so different xD
13:23
<meo>
kvaps: cyrillic alphabet is not exactly greek
13:23
But I was just listening to a greek song on spotify and the individual sounds are extremely close to russian
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<alkisg>
kvaps: cyrillus was sent by greeks to invent an alphabet to slavs
14:13
That's why he used some greek characters for it
14:13
He was from thessaloniki
14:14
<fiesh>
major fail if you ask me, inventing new characters needlessly...
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<alkisg>
The pronunciation is different so he couldn't map the existing chars exactly
14:39
<kvaps>
I like this picture http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=196
14:55
<alkisg>
Nice! That seems like languages, not alphabets though
14:56
https://i1.wp.com/starkeycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Starkey-Comics-Family-Tree-of-ABCD.jpg?resize=697%2C816&ssl=1
15:20
<kvaps>
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1835/6621/files/alphabet-evolution.2.png?v=1533064248
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15:26
<meo>
alkisg: he did borrow ש from the jews
15:26
the development of languages is amazing
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17:09
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so, hoping to have time to work on ltsp in debian in the coming days/week ... there seem to be a lot of fixes pushed to master since your tag ... would it make sense to do a 19.12.1 for the debian upload?
17:15
<alkisg>
vagrantc: sure!
17:16
I'm going on a trip tomorrow so I can't really help, but master should even be better now compared to 19.12, so if you want to tag+release, please go ahead!
17:16
bbl :)
17:17
<vagrantc>
will see how distracted i get, but was hoping to work on it today and tomorrow :)
17:18
<fiesh>
alkisg: sure, but that applies to all languages that share characters, Roman or Chinese or Arabic...
17:20
<kvaps>
alkisg, I just found one bug which went to package, I need to trigger rebuild for last ltsp-cloud release
17:21
can I trigger it by myself? Is launchpad providing some webhook feature?
17:28
<yopla2>
Hello, trying to setup ltsp with my custom needs with the help of https://github.com/ltsp/community/wiki/Single-guest-session-over-NFS
17:29
I need to mix one guest readonly user with standard mate users.
17:31
I can't find which is the config to say guest user= custom desktop and others = default desktop
17:32
Should I rsync guest-user templates in POST_INIT ?
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17:56
<yopla2>
OK, put rsync cmd int POST_INIT is working
17:56
Then just need to adjust .xsessionrc :)
18:00
<alkisg>
yopla2: you should rsync when the session starts, from /usr/share/xsessions/mysession.desktop
18:00
This works with or without ltsp, and with both wayland and xorg
18:07
<yopla2>
ligthdm auto checks for login.desktop file ?
18:08
<alkisg>
All desktop managers run /usr/share/xsession/session.desktop files; that's what they do
18:08
It's the main script of the session
18:08
<yopla2>
yes but I have 2. mate.desktop and openbox.desktop
18:09
and i need another one only for guest user
18:09
<alkisg>
Yes, and you can put whatever code you want on whichever one of them
18:09
So you'd have three, mate, openbox, and guest.desktop, and the guest would reset home
18:10
<yopla2>
yes that the goal
18:10
<alkisg>
Or, you can have only two, mate and openbox, and check if the user name is guest*, then reset, otherwise don't reset
18:10
It's just scripts; you can do whatever you want with them
18:12
<yopla2>
OK thanks. I'll try with guest.desktop then
18:12
<alkisg>
Will the guest be able to select mate or openbox?
18:12
Or will you force the session for him?
18:13
<yopla2>
force session
18:14
<alkisg>
OK, some display managers do support that
18:14
Not sure how many of them support it on a per-user basis
18:15
<yopla2>
and not lightdm then
18:16
<alkisg>
yopla2: do your users use the openbox session, or it just got installed by mistake?
18:17
<yopla2>
openbox is for my guest login.
18:17
<alkisg>
No then
18:17
So what you want is to only provide one session
18:17
mate.desktop
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All users log in with that one
18:17
<yopla2>
A minimalist wm which lauche vmware-view client
18:17
<alkisg>
i.e. POST_INIT_RM_OPENBOX="rm ...openbox.desktop"
18:18
Now, you provide a script that overrides mate session
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And if you detect that username=guest*, then you run "reset; run openbox"
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If username isn't guest, you run mate-session
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<yopla2>
yes could be a good idea
18:21
<alkisg>
So, you can just create a /usr/local/bin/mate-session script, you don't need to edit any .desktop files
18:21
<yopla2>
good idea
18:23
a mate-session-unless-guest script
18:23
<alkisg>
Yes, but you must name it mate-session to override /usr/bin/mate-session
18:23
If it has a different name, then it won't work
18:23
<yopla2>
I see
18:24
as /usr/loal/bin is prior to /usr/bin
18:24
<alkisg>
Right
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<yopla2>
neat
18:24
<alkisg>
And at the end of it, you could chain to the real session with: exec /usr/bin/mate-session "$@"
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(or openbox, depending on guest or not)
18:25
<yopla2>
OK.
18:27
Another dumb question. get vars from ltsp.conf is possible ?
18:29
<alkisg>
The easiest way to do that would be to make it an ltsp applet, i.e. to put the real script inside /usr/share/ltsp/client/session/55-session
18:30
I'll probably need to write a wiki page about that when I get some free time :/
18:49
<yopla2>
OK.thank you for all
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20:02
<vagrantc>
alkisg: man pages are broken again
20:05* vagrantc doesn't seem to have ltsp ipxe --overwrite
20:07
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ltsp --overwrite ipxe
20:07
Also, overwrite is the default now, no need to provide it
20:07
How are man pages broken, what's the output?
20:09
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it's definitely not default
20:09
alkisg: they aren't generated when building the package
20:10
alkisg: or at least, ltsp --overwrite ipxe ... skipped updating snponly.efi and similar
20:10
<alkisg>
vagrantc: that's only for ltsp.ipxe
20:10
The binaries have another overwrite/redownload flag
20:11
ltsp ipxe --binaries
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ltsp ipxe --binaries=1
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-b, --binaries=[0|1|""] Reinstall the iPXE binaries in TFTP even if they already exist. Defaults to "", which
20:11
means "only install the missing ones". Note that the --overwrite flag doesn't affect
20:11
the binaries, they're only contolled by the --binaries flag.
20:11
<vagrantc>
https://paste.debian.net/1121808/
20:11
<alkisg>
vagrantc: preparing for the trip, will have to look at the manpage building another day :/
20:12
<vagrantc>
ah, i didn't understand what you meant
20:12
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yes,that's by design...
20:12
<vagrantc>
alkisg: or i just fix it :)
20:12
<alkisg>
Sure!
20:12
<vagrantc>
ok, so --overwrite is just the configuration files, and --binaries is for updating the binaries
20:12
<alkisg>
Right
20:12
As people usually don't want to redownload the binaries all the time
20:12
<vagrantc>
good thing i misunderstood, or might not have noticed the missing manpages :)
20:12
<alkisg>
Hehe
20:13
vagrantc: if you want, ping me when you find why they're broken... I can't imagine why
20:14
<vagrantc>
yup :)
20:14* vagrantc wonders how to check the ppa
20:15
<vagrantc>
well, how to easily check the ppa ... i know *how*
20:16
<alkisg>
Not sure what "check" means... to install from the ppa?
20:16
To check if it contains the man pages?
20:17
<vagrantc>
right
20:17
to see if it's something in the different build environments
20:17
it's the first thing i'd check, anyways
20:17
<alkisg>
wgethttps://launchpad.net/~ltsp/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/ltsp_19.12-1+201912151738~ubuntu20.04.1_all.deb
20:18
<vagrantc>
i swear this was a problem last time i uploaded ltsp too
20:18
thanks
20:18
<alkisg>
dpkg -c ltsp_19.12-1+201912151738~ubuntu20.04.1_all.deb
20:18
It does have them
20:18
<vagrantc>
yup
20:18
so either a change on master, or something weird with the different build environments
20:19
<alkisg>
I don't think I touched anything related to man page building since the last time
20:19
<vagrantc>
famous last ...
20:19
:)
20:19
<alkisg>
:D
20:22
<vagrantc>
they're definitely present in ltsp 19.11-1 in debian...
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20:39
<vagrantc>
maybe there's a regression somewhere in dh_installman
20:42* vagrantc rebuilds on buster to see
20:43
<alkisg>
vagrantc: check dates on https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/tree/master/debian; I don't see any recent changes
20:44
<vagrantc>
no, that doesn't work either
20:44
this is perplexing ... it's generating the man pages, it's just not installing them
20:48
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I changed compat from 9 to 10, but I don't think that should make any difference, and also it was before 19.11...
20:50* vagrantc is rebuilding 19.11-1 now to compare
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20:55
<vagrantc>
yeah, 19.11-1 rebuilt with today's dependencies also doesn't generate man pages...
20:55
there's definitely some new code in debhelper regarding man pages...
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21:04
<vagrantc>
pffts.
21:04
Environment: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=5 noautodbgsym nodoc"
21:04
well. you can shoot yourself in the foot all day long.
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21:05* vagrantc tries again
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<vagrantc>
it's almost like the tool was doing what i told it to do...
21:12
<alkisg>
Heh
21:17
<vagrantc>
ok, other than my own self-induced problems, it seems good.
21:19
oh, i should actually test on bullseye
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