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Channel log from 8 December 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<mathesis>
do you speak spanish?
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<aa>
I get TFTP Error Forbidden Directory
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when i try to boot my client
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can anyone help me regarding this?
03:24
<wizzy>
aa: Add a little verbosity to the tftp server - an extra -v -v in /etc/inetd.conf or /etc/xinetd/tftpd
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<aa>
wizzy: I used verbose mode in the tftgp client on the server itself
03:53
and tried to get some files but then also the same probs
03:54
Even when I intentionally type any filename which may not be present it gives same error Forbidden Directory
04:02
<wizzy>
aa: is the Forbidden Directory message in the server logs ?
04:03
or a client message ?
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<aa>
its a client message
04:05
but when I try to use the tftp client which is present on the server then also the same error comes when i try to get the file from tftp server
04:05
<wizzy>
I find it mildly annoying on the Edubuntu thin client boot that I cannot separate the tftp-server from the root nfs-server. On 2.4 kernels, I could say option root-path "192.168.42.3:/diskless/petrel" - I cannot specify the host with the latest releases.
04:05
aa: What does it say in the server logs ?
04:06
aa: iptables in your way ?
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<aa>
I am new to all this and so don't know where the server is there
04:07
i mean logs are there
04:08
<wizzy>
cd /var/log ; grep -lr tftp .
04:09
That should tell you which logs, if any, are being written by tftp server. The client environment is not set up without a kernel - debugging should be on the server
04:11
<aa>
no i think i am not able to explain u clearly
04:11
<wizzy>
aa: Do you have access to the server ?
04:13
<aa>
Actually Initially I started the server and started the client with the help of PXE bootable floppy but could not boot due to the mentioned error so afterwards to check the proper tftp is running i tried using the tftp client on the server itself and then also the same error came
04:13
<wizzy>
find the server logs first, and make sure the server is logging : -v -v
04:14
dont bother with anything else
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<aa>
I have access to the server but the probs is that the machines are at my different office and here i m at other office so can't check and tell you now itself
04:14
I tried ltspadmin utility
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and over that it says that tftpd is running
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<Empiric>
hi
04:43
i have done ubuntu ltsp
04:43
all good
04:43
i have dotmatrix printers attatched to thinclients
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how i use them
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any idea
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<Patina>
Like any other printer, you probably don't need drivers for those.
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<vaineh>
this may be a silly question but if my ltsp server doesnt have a soundcard is there any way i can still run a sound server for terminals to use or does it require the hardware?
05:48
<Empiric>
patina yes
05:48
i have ubuntu though
05:49
i have define [ws022]
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PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100
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PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY = Y
05:49
in ltsp file
05:49
also fix an ip in dhcp
05:49
how i define in ubuntu print manager to get to the printyer
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<wizzy>
Empiric: I would fix the address of the client with the printer (ws022) using DHCP, and then use that address in cups
05:52
<cliebow>
vaineh:yes syou need a sound card.preferably pci
05:52
<vaineh>
thx
05:52
<Empiric>
how i add in cups
05:52
<wizzy>
cliebow: for the /server/ ?
05:52
<Empiric>
wizzy
05:52
<cliebow>
lpd p[rinter
05:53
<Empiric>
is there any error in my config
05:53
<cliebow>
seems ok tot me
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<wizzy>
http://server:631/
05:53
<cliebow>
just pretend it is a printserver jetdirect print server
05:54
<Empiric>
ok
05:54
wait let me check
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<cliebow>
id use like printer admin
05:54
in ubuntu'
05:54
wizzy: no need for sound card in server
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ltsp sound redirects sound
05:55
<vaineh>
cliebow: huh?
05:56
cliebow: didnt you just say i needed a sound card?
05:57
<cliebow>
no card needed for server..course you need one in client..you said it was a silly question
05:57
you'd be surprised some of the questions 8~)
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<vaineh>
thought i said server
05:58
<cliebow>
oh probably you did..sorry to confuse the issue
05:58
<vaineh>
:)
05:59
im not getting anywhere with it at the moment anyway
06:02
<wizzy>
I find it mildly annoying on the Edubuntu thin client boot that I cannot separate the tftp-server from the root nfs-server. On 2.4 kernels, I could say option root-path "192.168.42.3:/diskless/petrel" - I cannot specify the host with the latest releases.
06:10
<cliebow>
let ogra have a syab at that one
06:10
s/syab/stab
06:12
<Empiric>
wizzy i have gnome
06:13
i have defined jet direct with ip of thinclient and port 9100
06:13
<ogra_>
Empiric, are you using edgy ? there was no printer support before edgy in ubuntu
06:13
<Empiric>
yes
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<ogra_>
the login manager (ldm) should show you the ip of the client ...
06:15
use the gnome-print dialog and add a JetDirect printer with the ip and port set
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(and select the proper driver indeed)
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<cliebow>
bbiab
06:16
ograa:any reason you cant pick another nfs?
06:17
server?
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<Empiric>
no
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<ogra_>
cliebow, ?
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<Empiric>
hai
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<Empiric>
i ahve new compaq machine on ubuntu eggy
06:38
they wont pick display
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previously i have X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
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# X_HORZSYNC=24-60
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X_VERTREFRESH=56-70
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any idea
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ogra
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<Empiric>
ogra u there
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<cliebow_>
ogra:a fller could use root-path to direct a client to one of several nfs root filesystems couldnt you?
07:51
<vaineh>
is esound server the same as esd?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all!
08:51
<pscheie>
g'morning scotty!
08:51
<vaineh>
is there anything other than putting screen_02=shell into lts.conf that i need to do in order to get a shell on screen 2, cos it doesnt work :/
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<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq
08:56
<jammcq>
g'morning
08:56
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:56
dude, where you been man?
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<sbalneav>
vaineh: Did you capitalize the "SCREEN" part?
08:56
Round the province.
08:56
We upgraded all the out of town servers.
08:57
Edgy + Ubuntu + ltsp5 :)
08:57* jammcq started to think you pulled a "whiprush" on us
08:57
<vaineh>
SCREEN_02 = shell
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<sbalneav>
I did 2200 kilometers in 5 days
08:57
<vaineh>
thats the line ive got
08:58
<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, are you at the office?
08:58
<sbalneav>
yes
08:58
<jammcq>
hmm, are you on the phone?
08:58
<sbalneav>
On the phone at the moment :)
08:58
Now I'm off
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<jammcq>
ah, that explains the "I'm out of the office until the 8th" message
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<cliebow_>
Dudes::Where have you both been?
09:11
<vaineh>
is there a way i can find out which terminals and their hostnames are currently connected to an ltsp server ???
09:11
<cliebow_>
vaineh:there is teachertool
09:12
or you could swipe the netstat command from it
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<vaineh>
where can i get that
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<cliebow_>
pastebin.com/
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just a sec
09:16
taking 14 forevers
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<pscheie>
vaineh: google fl_teachertool, first one on the list
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<vaineh>
ta
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<cliebow_>
well for a start..netstat -t -e|grep X11
09:19
vaineh:my old teach is in weird science and experimentsl if you want it
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lordy: cant get a rise out of pastebin
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<vaineh>
according to that nothing has X11 in it
09:22
<cliebow_>
x11
09:23
not X11..trying to get you the sed piece..i dont dare try to type that
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<cliebow_>
scared Him i guess
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<vaineh>
im getting nowhere with ltsp sound :(
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<efra>
Hi everybody
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<vaineh>
why is sound such a bugger
09:48
<Gadi>
vaineh: are you not getting sound at all?
09:48
<vaineh>
nope
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<Gadi>
is the thin client loading the driver for the soundcard and running esd?
09:49
<vaineh>
i was trying to follow the wiki section but i dont know what bits aren't working
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<Gadi>
start at the lowest level and work your way up
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start with the soudncard on the thin client
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then esd on the thin client
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then configure the apps on the server
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to use esd
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that would be my way to debug
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<vaineh>
i dont understand, i thought esd was on the server not the client
09:51
<Gadi>
nope
09:51
esd is a daemon that runs on the client
09:51
by default
09:51
as long as it finds a driver for the soundcard
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<vaineh>
how do i know if its doing that?
09:52
<Gadi>
the apps on the server are "esd clients" to the esd daemon on the thin client
09:52
you could set: SCREEN_02 = shell
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reboot the terminal
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hit ctrl-alt-f2
09:52
<vaineh>
ahhh... yeah ive done that, but i dont get anything on screen 2
09:52
<Gadi>
and at the shell, type: ps|grep esd
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<vaineh>
:(
09:52
<Gadi>
did you reboot the terminal?
09:53
<vaineh>
yeh
09:53
<Gadi>
thats impossible
09:53
which LTSP are you using?
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<vaineh>
4.1
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<Gadi>
perhaps something is broken?
09:56
SCREEN_02 = shell
09:56
should work
10:00
<vaineh>
ok, i know what the screen problem is
10:01
on a couple of the workstations im using a flashcard loaded with pxe cos the network cards dont allow boot
10:02
on another workstation with decent network card i get screen
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<vaineh>
an ls -l on /dev/dsp gives /dev/dsp -> sound/dsp in the shell on screen02
10:12
<Gadi>
what about: ps|grep esd
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or: ps -ael|grep esd
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<vaineh>
/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port something
10:14
its there
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<Gadi>
great, so clients done - do you have spkrs/headphone on that client?
10:14
<vaineh>
yeah
10:14
<Gadi>
ok, ctrl-alt-f1 back to linux and log in
10:14
<vaineh>
yep
10:15
<Gadi>
ok, are you in gnome? kde?
10:15
<vaineh>
kde
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<Gadi>
ah, this is easier in gnome (for me, anyway)
10:15
<vaineh>
:)
10:15
<Gadi>
somewhere in the kde control center, find sound
10:15
:)
10:15
<vaineh>
yep
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<Gadi>
ok, set the sound server to esd
10:16
it may be sound sink or sound output or some such
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<vaineh>
select audio device?
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<Gadi>
but, somewhere there should be an "Enlightened Sound Daemon" option
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<vaineh>
i dont see it
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<Gadi>
what under audio device?
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<vaineh>
auto, alsa, jack audio, no audio, oss, thread open sound system
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are the options
10:18
i can overrid the device location and put in other custom options
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<Gadi>
ah, you are probably lacking an esound package on the server to add that as an option
10:18
what distro?
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<vaineh>
suse 10
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<Gadi>
can you use your package manager to try and find a client package for esd
10:19
could be libesd
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or esound-clients
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or some such
10:19* Gadi not familiar with suse package names
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<vaineh>
righto, i'll have a look
10:19
<Gadi>
I think that was the big hangup
10:20
once you have it in there, esound should be another option
10:20
and that *should* make things work better
10:20
alternatively, I know some kde folks use NAS (SOUND_DAEMON = nas) in lts.conf, which may work better for you
10:21
but, dont go down too many different roads at once
10:21
you'll go mad
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<vaineh>
lol
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<Gadi>
keep in mind, Novell doesnt really optimize for LTSP
10:22
so, thats why the pkgs you may need might not be in a default install
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and some of their default apps may not be the friendliest for LTSP sound
10:23
not to scare you, just a heads up
10:23
ill stop babbling now
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<vaineh>
lol no worries
10:24
"esound" is installed
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and "esound-devel"
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<Gadi>
ok, see if it comes up as an option on the list
10:25
<cliebow_>
please babble..
10:25
<vaineh>
no i mean it was already installed
10:25
:/
10:25
<Gadi>
ah, are there any other packages with esound?
10:26
sometimes they split the server from the client
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search for "esd"
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or "esound"
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<vaineh>
just got those 2 really
10:27
a couple of esd plugins
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nothing else really
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<Gadi>
if it seems like its installed, pop open a terminal window and type: esd<tab><tab>
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see if there are a few esd executables in the system
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<vaineh>
esdplay etc
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esdrec
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<Gadi>
ok, so its installed
10:28
esddsp?
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<vaineh>
yep
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<Gadi>
is that one of them?
10:28
ok, good
10:28
go back to the kde control panel - is there still no esd?
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<vaineh>
nope
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<Gadi>
ok, then I would prolly try the path of least resistance at this point and put: SOUND_DAEMON = nas
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in lts.conf
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and reboot the terminal
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oh, actually, before the reboot,
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<vaineh>
yep
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<Gadi>
I seem to remember when using NAS and KDE, you have to go into the advanced section of the KDE control panel and turn the sound buffering down to the lowest level
10:30
<vaineh>
righto
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<Gadi>
then log out, and reboot the terminal and see if you get lucky (/me knows so little about KDE+ NAS)
10:31
but, I think there's more on the wiki
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<Gadi>
oops, I think its SOUND_DAEMON=nasd
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not nas
10:32
sorry
10:32
see if this helps: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MdkSound
10:34
if I could get a witness from the KDE congregation at this point, it would be useful!
10:34
<vaineh>
k just gonna follow tha tguide
10:40
sigh, fallen at the first hurdle, nas not installed and not coming up in the list of stuff to install
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<Matgesis>
i have a problem with etherboot a client
10:43
<cliebow_>
and....-->
10:43
<Matgesis>
Searching for sever (DHCP).....Me: 192.168.0.249 Server:0.0.0.0. Gateway 192.168.0.1 Loading 0.0.0.0:/ltsp/i386/nbi.img
10:48
<cliebow_>
so no tftp? see a bunch of dots loading real slow?
10:48
ooh
10:48
do you have next-server option set/
10:48
<Matgesis>
etherboot
10:49
<cliebow_>
!next-server
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: Error: "next-server" is not a valid command.
10:49
<cliebow_>
oh well
10:49
!dhcp
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: Error: "dhcp" is not a valid command.
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<Matgesis>
!Server:0.0.0.
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<ltspbot>
Matgesis: Error: "Server:0.0.0." is not a valid command.
10:50
<Matgesis>
!Loading 0.0.0.0:/ltsp/i386/nbi.img
10:50
<ltspbot>
Matgesis: Error: "Loading" is not a valid command.
10:51
<Matgesis>
cliebow_: you have muekow?
10:51
<cliebow_>
read this..http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP
10:52
i use 4.2..only have a testbed muekopw
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<Matgesis>
you have muekow implement?
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<jammcq>
howdie
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:Heyyyyyyy!!
11:10
Mathesis: i installed on lappie..just "worked"..havnt used it in a little while
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<Mathesis>
whit pxe or etherboot?
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<cliebow_>
etherboot
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<Mathesis>
not found documentation muekow for dhcp
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is more simply dhcp in muekow
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<cliebow_>
grep next-server /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<vaineh>
i cant get nasd installed for suse
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<Mathesis>
se efra
11:43
si tambien andas por aca
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<efra>
Hola Mathesis
11:43
Si de hecho si
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<vaineh>
anyone know how i can configure arts with esd support?
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: hey, is LTSP-5 in Debian Testing or Unstable or both?
12:11
or neither
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<efra>
jammcq: on testing is not
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<jammcq>
unstable ?
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<efra>
Not sure about unstable
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<jammcq>
what's left?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: uh, yeah, it's in testing.
12:51
jammcq: hopefully soon to be stable.
12:51
jammcq: and unstable- the vesion in unstable and testing is the same.
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: ah, cool. I get to stand up in front of a bunch of folks here at OSDL in a couple of minutes, and I wanna make sure that I speak the truth
12:51
so, Unstable AND Testing have LTSP-5
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: i meant, it's not a complete implementation- missing localdev and local printing, but nearly everything else.
12:52
jammcq: what i really wonder is... when will we see an LTSP 5 upstream :P
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<Mathesis>
se vagrantc
12:55
checking if image is initramfs... it isn't (bad gzip magic numbers); looks like an initrd _
12:55
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: strange.
13:07
jammcq: http://packages.debian.org/src:ltsp
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<dberkholz>
jammcq: heard of 2x? they gpl'd their nx around the end of august
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<jammcq>
dberkholz: hmmm
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<dberkholz>
there's freenx too, but that doesn't have the client side
13:11
i think 2x has a client
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: URL ?
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<dberkholz>
http://code.2x.com/linuxterminalserver
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<vagrantc>
seems like there's some namespace conflict with LTSP
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<jammcq>
hmm, seems kinda like it, eh?
13:14
'TerminalServer' != 'Terminal Server' ?
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<dberkholz>
it's tough when you've got a generic-sounding name like that
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<vagrantc>
maybe using computer logic, but using human eye-brain logic ...
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<jammcq>
the 2x guys hired the PXES guy I think
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<vagrantc>
looks like the 2x code includes a private implementation of SQLite, libpng and a could other things :(
13:26
passwd ... gross.
13:26
it's almost like an LBE :)
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<kurt>
anyone in here good with the localdev stuff in 4.2???
13:35
<jammcq>
oh, you just missed sbalneav, he was here about 10 minutes ago
13:35
what's the problem?
13:35
<vagrantc>
i was comparing the 2x codebase to the LBE in that it seems like it's almost it's own linux distribution.
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<kurt>
jammcq: heres the deal. I've a server loaded up with CentOS 4.4 and have the localdev items installed.
13:39
on the station I can log into my kde desktop and plug in a usb drive and I get the icon on my desktop as i should, but there is nothing in it.
13:39
<jammcq>
sounds like a FUSE problem
13:40
all the message passing is working, the icon appears
13:40
but there's no filesystem support behind it
13:40
<kurt>
exactly.
13:40* vagrantc wonders who jammcq is talking to/with ...
13:40
<jammcq>
vagrantc: talking to kurt, don't you see him?
13:40
<vagrantc>
jammcq: no ... weird.
13:41
<CaPriCoRN^80>
i got same problem on k12-ltsp
13:41
<dberkholz>
got a weird ignore regexp?
13:41
<jammcq>
hmm, maybe you have an /ignore setup to ignore him
13:41
CaPriCoRN^80: tell us your problem, maybe we can help
13:41
<CaPriCoRN^80>
my users were working fine n usb was working . but suddenly few users got this problem
13:42
<kurt>
jammcq: any place you can think to look at off hand? I built the latest version of fuse from sf.net
13:42
<CaPriCoRN^80>
thaty usb folder appears on Desktop but no data in it
13:42
<vagrantc>
heh. i think some years ago there was some Kurt who was really annoying me ...
13:42
<jammcq>
kurt: you need to follow this troubleshooting document: http://wiki1.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
13:42
<kurt>
been through that several times trust me.
13:43
<jammcq>
ok, you need to provide all of the answers to all 12 questions to Scott Balneaves <sbalneav@ltsp.org>
13:43
he'll be able to see where the problem is
13:43
<kurt>
will do. Thanks Jim!
13:43
<jammcq>
noprob
13:43
<CaPriCoRN^80>
as i told that .. my users usb was working fine but suddenly it was creating problem . when user insert usb . Usb folder appears on Desktop but no files show in the usb
13:43
<jammcq>
CaPriCoRN^80: hmm, sounds just like kurt's problem
13:44
check that you have the fuse.ko module loaded
13:44
make sure your users are part of the 'fuse' group
13:44
<CaPriCoRN^80>
the folder is empty
13:45
n further more is that i have done all these steps of wiki
13:47
still i m facing problem
13:47
<jammcq>
CaPriCoRN^80: I'll repeat the same thing I told Kurt. Run through the troubleshooting guide. Write down all of the answers to all 12 steps, and email it to sbalneav@ltsp.org
13:49
<CaPriCoRN^80>
hmm
13:49
ok
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<cliebow_>
Cap:Id bet your perms on /dev/fuse are wrong
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<CaPriCoRN^800>
i will
14:10
as i m not in office
14:10
wat if i have that file ?
14:10
<mathesis>
se vagrantc ya esta corriendo ltsp
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:29
<efra>
14:30
I'm trying to log, but ldm just sends me back to login screen
14:33
<vagrantc>
efra: probably have to run ltsp-update-sshkeys
14:34
<efra>
Thanks vagrantc
14:34
I'll check
14:34* vagrantc grumbles about ldm's poor design
14:35
<efra>
xD
14:35
Is not that bad. Is it?
14:37
<kurt>
jammcq: think I solved the issue
14:37
<jammcq>
kurt: cool. what was it?
14:37
<kurt>
well, I'm a bit rusty on my udev rules but is the NAME field required in a udev rule?
14:38
<jammcq>
umm, yer asking the wrong guy
14:38
<kurt>
well, it looks like when you build fuse from source it put a udev rule out there that doesn't seem to do its job
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14:39
<kurt>
doesn't set the right permissions on /dev/fuse anyways.
14:39
<jammcq>
ah, the old "Compile from Source" issue
14:39
<kurt>
Once I changed that all was well.
14:39
yeah, darn that OSS software :-)
14:40
<dberkholz>
there's a good udev rules howto on reactivated.net or so, google for udev rules howto
14:40
<kurt>
gotta love it though!
14:40
anyways thanks for the idea to look into fuse more. Hopefully me and craig might get up to mug next week.
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<CaPriCoRN^800>
kurt : ur problem solved now ?
14:43
<cliebow_>
Cap:Id bet your perms on /dev/fuse are wrong
14:44
<CaPriCoRN^800>
kurt : u there ?
14:45
<cliebow_>
No one can type that NICK especially me
14:45
<jammcq>
cliebow_: I see you type like that all the time, should be easy for you
14:46
<cliebow_>
Haaa!!
14:46
sort of ssl encrypted
14:46
need a key on both ends
14:46
<jammcq>
more like rot-13
14:46
<cliebow_>
8~)
14:48
<kurt>
CaPriCoRN^800: yep I'm here.
14:48
<CaPriCoRN^800>
ok
14:48
<cliebow_>
CaPriCoRN^800
14:48
Cool..
14:49
<kurt>
CaPriCoRN^800: yes my problem is now solved.
14:49
<cliebow_>
copy...paste...copy paste
14:49
<CaPriCoRN^800>
ur problem solved ?
14:49
as i have the same problem with usb's
14:50
<kurt>
did you compile fuse from source?
14:50
<CaPriCoRN^800>
so wat was the problem
14:50
as u were saying that u have tried those steps again n again
14:50
<cliebow_>
bbiab
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<kurt>
CaPriCoRN^800: the issue was the udev rule that the fuse install put into place. it wasn't setting the proper permissions on /dev/fuse
14:52
<CaPriCoRN^800>
so wat u did for that ?
14:52
also can u tell me on which step u figure that problem ?
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<kurt>
CaPriCoRN^800: if you look at the section that says adding the user to the fuse group
14:53
<CaPriCoRN^800>
ys
14:54
<mrlinux>
i need help with configuring my eth
14:54
<kurt>
under the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux section it talks about adding a udev rule...
14:55
<CaPriCoRN^800>
i just only add my users to this .. usermod -G fuse -a user1 .. thats wat i did in this section
14:55
wat else u did that its working ?
14:55
<kurt>
KERNEL="fuse", NAME="%k", MODE="0666",OWNER="root" GROUP="fuse"
14:55
<mrlinux>
i need to have what is currently eth1 i need it to be eth0 any help
14:55
<kurt>
do you see that line
14:56
<CaPriCoRN^800>
yes
14:56
i hve Fedora
14:56
<kurt>
put that into /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules
14:56
<CaPriCoRN^800>
so i m watching that
14:56
<kurt>
remove what is currently in that file.
14:56
<jammcq>
CaPriCoRN^800: before you worry about udev, take a look at the current perms on /dev/fuse
14:57
<CaPriCoRN^800>
k
14:58
<kurt> put that into /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules ... how ?
14:58
<kurt>
first, do as jammcq suggested. what are does ls -l /dev/fuse show?
14:58
<CaPriCoRN^800>
as there is no setting mentioned for Fedora
14:59
<pscheie>
mrlinux: what distro?
14:59
<CaPriCoRN^800>
only one line for Fedora i.e usermod -G fuse -a someuser
14:59
<mrlinux>
Edubuntu
15:00
<CaPriCoRN^800>
ah .. i m not in office .. i only got doc n i have output of all these steps
15:00
<pscheie>
I can't recall: does *buntu have modprobe.conf or modprobe.d?
15:00
<kurt>
CaPriCoRN^800: capricorn forget the instructions for a second. what does ls -l /dev/fuse show?
15:00
<CaPriCoRN^800>
kurt : u just tell me wat permission u set for /dev/fuse ?
15:01
<kurt>
0666 and owned by the fuse group
15:01
<CaPriCoRN^800>
i m telling u i m not in my office . thats y i cannot check it now
15:02
<kurt>
i see.
15:02
<CaPriCoRN^800>
thats y i m asking about ur settings
15:02
<kurt>
that is what my problem was. if you built fuse from source there is a good chance that is problem. Now if you installed the fedora fuse package then it might not apply.
15:03
<str4nd>
why some ltsp clients boots to tty1.. not X at default? (Ctrl+Alt+F7 always :-( )
15:03
<CaPriCoRN^800>
u mean chmod 0666 /dev/fuse
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<mrlinux>
pscheie, modprobe.d
15:04
<kurt>
CaPriCoRN^800: then chgrp fuse /dev/fuse
15:04
<CaPriCoRN^800>
kurt is that ok ?
15:05
ok
15:05
<kurt>
yep
15:05
<CaPriCoRN^800>
anything else
15:05
<kurt>
that did it for me
15:06
<CaPriCoRN^800>
wat ?
15:06
<kurt>
what we just discussed
15:06
<pscheie>
mrlinux: one of the files in there has the aliases for things like eth0 and eth1
15:06
I forget which file, but just change the aliases around
15:07
<CaPriCoRN^800>
ok
15:07
<mrlinux>
k
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<CaPriCoRN^800>
ok
15:08
i hope this will also solve my problem
15:08
<vagrantc>
!serversizing
15:08
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "serversizing" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
15:08
<CaPriCoRN^800>
as my steps give me almost same output mentioned
15:09
listen
15:09
wat should be the system of usb ?
15:09
fdisk -l /dev/sda
15:09
wat system mentioned by it ?
15:10
<mrlinux>
pscheie, i cant find any file that has eth in it
15:12
<CaPriCoRN^800>
kurt: can u check that fdisk -l /dev/sda ?
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<CaPriCoRN^800>
?
15:19
anyone tell me
15:19
as this is my last question for today :P
15:21
<pscheie>
mrlinux: alas, I don't have access to my kubuntu box at the moment. ;-(
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<mrlinux>
pscheie, i cant find any thing in modprobe.d that has any mention to network eth or interfaces
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<vykarian>
hey guys
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<vykarian>
16:03
compiled a kernel 2.6.16.1 following the jammcq repository
16:04
i kept all net devices as m (just like the .config)
16:04
but booting the new kernel without pxe makes a problem
16:04
start getting the kernel then loop
16:05
segment [0009Ec00,0009EE0] does not fit in any memory region
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<vykarian>
found the mistake
16:53
=]
16:55
does anyone has experience about printing from a novell print server to a ltsp workstation?
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<cliebow>
jammcq: a simlink from /etc/X11/rbg.txt to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 solved the unknoewn color prob in nx..seems the path isd hardcoded into nxagent
17:10
<jammcq>
cliebow: there ya go, I was right
17:10
<cliebow>
i will send you five lobsters
17:11
but you have to share
17:11
<jammcq>
4 for me, 1 for the rest of the family :)
17:12
<cliebow>
haaa!
17:15
any trick to mounting advd data cd..like linuxformat dvd?
17:15
tries hdc..no medium
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<vykarian>
does someone know where could I find something like a manpage for lts.conf ?
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<crashzor>
hey i'm running a edubuntu base'd LTSP server over XFCE4 now i want to change the default session for al user anybody know how ?
17:57
<vagrantc>
crashzor: maybe using update-alternatives to set x-session-manager
17:58
crashzor: updaet-alternatives --config x-session-manager
17:58
er, update-alternatives
17:58
i *think* that should work.
17:58
<crashzor>
i wil have look @ it :)
17:59
vagrantc, its a other version of xfce so it give me back there is only 1 session typ installed grrr
18:00* vagrantc would recommend using whatever came with the distro
18:01
<crashzor>
i needed to upgrade it because the old version had a bug that users coud shutdown the SERVER
18:01
<vagrantc>
surely that can be disabled ...
18:02* vagrantc has had idiotic problems with XFCE hard-coding in the past
18:02
<crashzor>
vagrantc, in the new version its fixt because in the old version it coud not be disable'd
18:02
so now i have a session in whits users can shutdown the server
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<vagrantc>
ah well, pick your poison, i guess :)
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<crashzor>
vagrantc, i got it :D :D ( i just hardly overwrite to link to the old session in /usr/bin etleast its working )
18:15
<vagrantc>
crashzor: that won't survive an upgrade.
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<crashzor>
vagrantc, i overwrite'd them after the upgrade so etleast its working for now ( i have the old links so i can overwrite them agian )
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18:16
<crashzor>
etleast its working :)
18:16
<vagrantc>
crashzor: try: update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /path/to/binary
18:16
crashzor: that should stay.
18:17
<crashzor>
vagrantc, update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/usr/local/bin/xfce4-session'.
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<vagrantc>
crashzor: ah, you'll have to play with update-alternatives --install first, then ...
18:25
<crashzor>
etleast this is working after update i can just write the file's back this not nice but etleast this is now working ( wil look @ the hole update-alternatives later )
18:25
<mathesis>
thanks vagrantc
18:25
cya
18:28
<chupacabra>
http://xkcd.com/c149.html
18:43
http://magnatune.com/
18:52
<vagrantc>
crashzor: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-session-manager x-session-manager /path/to/your-binary 90
18:53
i think that'll work.
18:53
then you might need to: update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /path/to/your-binary
18:54
<crashzor>
vagrantc, i get the help file back nvm i wil read the man page tomorwo :)
18:55
vagrantc, it woud be bad if you read the man page to just send in commands :P
18:55
<vagrantc>
crashzor: ?
18:56
<crashzor>
what part ? :P
18:56
<vagrantc>
crashzor: "bad if you read ..."
18:56
<crashzor>
it woud be bad if you start reading the manaul just to give me the right command ;)
18:56
then i can also just read it myself :) ( hate it to let others read for me )
18:57
<vagrantc>
well, i've used it a number of times, and the manpage only made sense to me after having used update-alternatives time and time again
18:57
but i encourage you to read it :)
18:57
i just cringe at the thought of hacks that will break on upgrades.
18:58
<crashzor>
cringe ?
18:58
thinking ? :P
18:58
<vagrantc>
wince? :)
18:58
<crashzor>
wince ? :S
18:58
<vagrantc>
recoil?
18:59
it doesn't make me happy. :)
18:59
<crashzor>
aah oke sameting like :( <== :P
18:59
<vagrantc>
i've worked with other sysadmins who did such hacks a little too often and then, mysteriously, things would break after security updates.
19:00
and you end up weighig the merits of a security update, knowing you'll have to fix a bunch of random problems.
19:00
<crashzor>
vagrantc, its my home system i woud never do this on a real machine for a company ;)
19:00
<vagrantc>
bad habits can be hard to break ... :)
19:02
<crashzor>
vagrantc, there you have a option but i admin same multi users servers then i keep clean of hackish fixes :P
19:03
vagrantc, this is just for the ppl in my house sins i'm fuck if there is no backup so then you get the system my way and i just want to get the last windows pc away ;) work al of those god dam windows system out of the network :p i still see windows machine's like a security risk
19:04
and if the shit gets hacked or file's get lots they wil look @ me anyway ;)
19:06
i stil belief if i can't read the source its a security risk ;)
19:07* vagrantc finds it more valuable that *lots* of people read the source, as vagrantc can't read much :)
19:08
<crashzor>
vagrantc, i just started @ C but its because everbody can read it so easy hacks are pickup and fixt really quick ;)
19:09
but hey i think thats the hole story behind GPL ;)
19:10
vagrantc, just alwase keep in mind running internet service's on windows is like playing russia rollet whit a Glock ;)
19:11
roulette*
19:17
vagrantc, btw where from ? :P
19:18
<vagrantc>
crashzor: i'm from a land where outsiders think everyone has a cow in the backyard
19:18
<crashzor>
vagrantc, holland ?
19:18
<vagrantc>
crashzor: no, much more space.
19:19
<crashzor>
vagrantc, texas :P
19:19
<vagrantc>
crashzor: no, milking cows.
19:20
<crashzor>
vagrantc, caneda or sameting ?
19:21
if not please say what content its on :P
19:21
<vagrantc>
crashzor: no so far from canada. they share an international border across a large body of water.
19:21
crashzor: and across a body of water from the birthplace of LTSP
19:23
<crashzor>
vagrantc, UK ?
19:23
<vagrantc>
crashzor: you were much closer with canada.
19:23
<crashzor>
its samewhere in the USA ?
19:24
<vagrantc>
sadly, it is true.
19:24
<crashzor>
i don't know the name's of al the states in the usa :P
19:25
<vagrantc>
no big loss :)
19:25
<crashzor>
because to europe you al claim you're 1 country :P
19:25
so we not gowing to learn the name's of you're states :P
19:25
<vagrantc>
which is smaller than texas, so i'm told.
19:26
(europe, that is)
19:26
<crashzor>
europe smaller then texas :\
19:27
<vagrantc>
texas is crazy huge, so don't take it personally.
19:27
<crashzor>
vagrantc, you know russia is part of europe ? :P
19:28* vagrantc blames ogra for this faulty european size comparison
19:28
<crashzor>
ogra ?
19:28
<vagrantc>
he's usually in here.
19:29
<crashzor>
vagrantc, most people see it like westen europe so the you explude pole russia etc then yeah probley but if you include them oke russia is a litle bit strange because its not totally in europe but most of it is ;)
19:30
<vagrantc>
some would argue that europe isn't really it's own continent...
19:30
<crashzor>
we share it whit azia ;)
19:30
<vagrantc>
yeah.
19:30
<crashzor>
accully in old time its was called euro-azia ;)
19:31
<vagrantc>
is there any geographical basis for separating europe and asia, or is it purely socio-political?
19:31
<crashzor>
maby same where in russia but on my maps no ( looks @ a map of the world )
19:32
accully europe whitout russia is about 60 % of the usa how mutch % is texas ? :P
19:33
<vagrantc>
no idea.
19:33
<crashzor>
is it half of you're country ?:P
19:33* vagrantc thwacks self with an offtopicbat
19:33
<vagrantc>
crashzor: certainly not half, with alaska and all.
19:34
i feel like it's been a couple weeks since i've done any ltsp coding.
19:34
<crashzor>
vagrantc, you're part of the ltsp coding team ?
19:34
<vagrantc>
crashzor: i work on the ltsp 5.0 implementation in debian.
19:35
<crashzor>
oke nice vagrantc so i will have a lot whit you to deal whit bugs ( because i run ubuntu ) :P
19:35
<vagrantc>
hmmm... last release was on november 14th ...
19:35
<crashzor>
ubuntu is based on debian :P
19:35
<vagrantc>
yeah, i work closely with ogra, who does ltsp and edubuntu
19:36
<crashzor>
vagrantc, yeah and the xubuntu team ript it off for xubuntu :P
19:36
thats what i'm running xubuntu :P
19:37
<vagrantc>
i prefer people "ripping off" than re-inventing it.
19:38
<crashzor>
vagrantc, no everbody needs to invent his own weel !!!! :P
19:38
and build his own car :P
19:39
<vagrantc>
wow. i really haven't worked on ltsp since mid-november...
19:40
<crashzor>
vagrantc, i'm personal busy @ a project thats gowing to be abuse'd i want to implement Counter-strike ( yeah i play cs ) rcon in to a irc bot out put and same simpel input ;) i just have it connect to irc :P
19:40
i know for sure if i want to release it its gowing to need a windows compile because al those fools use windows :P
19:41
or hosting company giving you a free shell whit a server on kernel 2.0 :P ( thats like screaming abuse me :P )
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<jammcq>
hey kids
21:42
<vagrantc>
jammcq: how was the talk?
21:42
<jammcq>
good. Only about 10 minutes
21:42
but got lots of good reaction
21:42
it's the 'Desktop Architecture Meeting', so it's a great chance to get in front of other people responsible for various parts of the linux desktop
21:43
and point out things like: 39% of all Gnome deployments are on thin clients
21:43
<vagrantc>
yeah...
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