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Channel log from 26 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

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03:04
<Big-K>
hi people
03:04
is there a log for the thin client somewhere?
03:05
the ltsp documentation says there should be a directory /tmp/var/... but nothing here :(
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03:11
<daduke>
Big-K: have you tried /var/log/ as usual? That's where we have it on LTSP/etch. What distro you're on?
03:11
<Big-K>
ubuntu hardy
03:11
sure there are a few messages
03:12
but I'm lookinh for some more :)
03:12
*looking
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<daduke>
Big-K: like what exactly?
03:12
<Big-K>
the logout process
03:12
have some entrys in my .bash_logout
03:14
I remember that there was a way to "enable" logging in the lts.conf
03:14
on another tty
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<daduke>
Big-K: I only see SYSLOG_HOST
03:16
<Big-K>
me too :)
03:16
I specified the SERVER=... entry
03:17
which includes SYSLOG_HOST
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<daduke>
Big-K: I guess it does
03:19
<Big-K>
ok another question :)
03:19
does someone know a workaround for that pam logout issue
03:20
wanted to unmount these devices through my .bash_logout
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<zeltron>
vagrantc : We talked together one week ago about my ltsp5 server (etch) that doesn't want to boot
07:39
but I wasn't at home, so it was difficult for you to help
07:39
<vagrantc>
anything new?
07:39
<zeltron>
My problem isn't resolved, and I'm at work
07:39
so if you've got a little time...
07:40
First : I tried a lot of things, and I start thinking there is a bug with nbi.img
07:41
<vagrantc>
well, you'll have to refresh my memory.... what's the issue exactly... and what versions are you working with?
07:41
!versions
07:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "versions" is not a valid command.
07:41
<vagrantc>
!version
07:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
07:41
<zeltron>
Did you already try this file, or have you seen ltsp5 work with it under etch ?
07:41
<vagrantc>
!ver
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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<vagrantc>
zeltron: try what file?
07:43
<zeltron>
vagrantc : nbi.img
07:43
<vagrantc>
zeltron: i've definitely had ltsp5 working with etch. both the versions in etch itself, as well as the backports.
07:43
zeltron: ah, i haven't tried etherboot in all cases.
07:44
zeltron: so, can you get me the version information for your system?
07:44
<zeltron>
vagrantc : my thinclients come with etherboot 5.0.5 (gpl) Tagged elf for rtl8139
07:45
vagrantc : ltsp version ? --> 5.1.3~40.etch0 (that's what it said durting install
07:45
vagrantc : from alioth
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<vagrantc>
zeltron: could you please run the following command and paste to the pastebot:
07:46
!ver
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
07:46
<vagrantc>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
07:48
<zeltron>
I pastebot and come back
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07:50
<daduke>
vagrantc: howdy! just want to say hi. no problems here at all, even after coming back from 2 weeks in France LTSP is still working fine ;)
07:51
<vagrantc>
daduke: glad to hear :)
07:53
<zeltron>
vagrantc : ltsp-build-client is running (I was making a new safe-install when You appeared here)
07:53
<vagrantc>
zeltron: ah.
07:53
<zeltron>
I send the whole command result in a short time
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<vagrantc>
"safe-install" ?
07:54
<zeltron>
vagrantc : not safe, clean (sorry)
07:56
<vagrantc>
ok
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<zeltron>
vagrantc : Just for memory. When Itr y to boot on nbi.img, I got the following message :
07:56
check if it is initramfs, it isn't. looks like initrd
07:56
<vagrantc>
zeltron: ok.
07:56
i know the error
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not sure of all the possible causes...
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<zeltron>
But when I try with legacy-nbi, it works... but fail on rpc failed : 2
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<vagrantc>
hmmmm...
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<zeltron>
maybe it could help ?
07:57
<vagrantc>
i haven't really tested legacy-nbi much ...
07:57
zeltron: so these have etherboot built-in ?
07:58
<zeltron>
vagrantc : yes version 5.0.5 tagged elf for rtl 8139
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vagrantc : (that's what's written during client's boot)
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<vagrantc>
zeltron: could you try booting from floppy or CD?
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<zeltron>
I could. Where is there a simple howto to do this ?
08:01
But it would be only for test, because this solution is not adapted for my situation
08:01
(free access room for students)
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<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
08:02
<vagrantc>
sure, it's just useful to note what works and what doesn't.
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<zeltron>
Ok, I try it and give you the result
08:04
<vagrantc>
i've used the one from etherboot.anadex.de quite a bit
08:04
haven't tried the other
08:07
zeltron: can you re-flash the etherboot that's on the systems?
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<zeltron>
vagrantc : I don't know how, but I think it should possible
08:09
For memory too: my clients boot well with Ubuntu version of LTSP and with ltsp 4.2 (etch)
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<vagrantc>
zeltron: the etherboot in debian supports PXE, ELF and NBI ... i've tested both the PXE and ELF support and they appear to work for me.
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<zeltron>
vagrantc : I've already tried to force the clients to boot on pxelinux, and I got a message
08:17
like : not a valid file or something like this
08:20
vagrantc : I've just tried with Universal boot floppy, and it works
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<zeltron>
(no initramfs error no more), but : back to rpc failed : 2
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(grrrr)
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vagrantc : just after running scripts/nfs-premount
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vagrantc : That means I've got to flash the etherboot first, I think ?
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vagrantc : but the rpc failed : 2 , I don't know where it comes from :(
08:27
<vagrantc>
rpc failed... sounds like /etc/exports isn't configured or something
08:30
<ltsppbot>
"zeltron" pasted "ltsp5 version" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/533
08:32
<zeltron>
vagrantc : when I try : /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart , I got :
08:32
<vagrantc>
zeltron: ah, you're not installing the backports.
08:32
zeltron: you've got the backports on the server, but not in the thin-client.
08:32
<ogra>
vagrantc, hey, lets default to aufs ;)
08:32
<vagrantc>
!debian
08:32
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
08:32
<vagrantc>
ogra: yay!
08:33
ogra: i don't think anyone else is using unionfs ...
08:33
<ogra>
ubuntu live is switching as well ... so i'm safe :)
08:33
<laga>
ogra: did you see valkisg's comment about IPAPPEND for pxelinux?
08:33
<vagrantc>
ogra: i mean, anyone else in the ltsp codebase
08:33
<ogra>
well, it might expose new probs or show the old ones differently
08:34
laga, with half an eye
08:34
<vagrantc>
i've used IPAPPEND in the past and had no real problems with it, although it's discouraged in the syslinux documentation.
08:34
by used, i mean, tried a few times
08:35* ogra tries to understand the content filter software we have idling in universe since dapper atm and didnt look at ltsp stuff much the last days
08:35
<zeltron>
vagrantc : I know, that's because I had to make it quick, but I got the same problem
08:35
<vagrantc>
zeltron: well, you're likely to get lots of problems doing it that way...
08:35
<zeltron>
when I use alioth's backports to build the client
08:36* ogra sings "it's oh, so broooken"
08:36
<laga>
vagrantc: nice. i'll give it a try soon. and probably add it to the mythbuntu-diskless documentation as it makes running two DHCP servers a bit easier.
08:37
<ogra>
how does that affect running two servers ? i thought its for supressing the second client request
08:37
<vagrantc>
zeltron: so, the main difference between debian etch and any recent version of ubuntu is that etch uses mkelf-linux and ubuntu uses mkelfImage ... sid and lenny uses mkelfImage by default
08:37
ogra: if you only make one DHCP request, you only have to ignore the wrong DHCP server once :)
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<ogra>
ah, indeed
08:38
<zeltron>
vagrantc : I tried with sid, and it never manages to build the client (errors during the install
08:38
of the kernel)
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<vagrantc>
zeltron: tried as of when? sid changes on a daily basis.
08:39
i just built a working sid ltsp last night, for example.
08:39
<zeltron>
Where did you get your sid version ?
08:40
<ogra>
zeltron, he wrote it :)
08:40
<zeltron>
I installed them with a Lenny netinstaller, and dist-upgrade
08:40
<vagrantc>
zeltron: sid version of what?
08:40
zeltron: i got everything from debian mirrors
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official debian mirrors ... specifically, http://debian.osuosl.org/debian
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<ogra>
hmm
08:42* ogra wonders how he managed to create a non killable gtk app
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<vagrantc>
heh
08:42
<ogra>
ah
08:42
sledgehammer helped
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<zeltron>
vagrantc : Ok I try back... hoping this time it will work !
08:44
<vagrantc>
zeltron: so again, when did you try installing sid? the linux-image metapackages were broken in sid for a while during the 2.6.24 -> 2.6.25 transition
08:45
<zeltron>
vagrantc : two or three weeks ago. I think there was a message like this
08:45
He tried to install, and failed, not finding some packages
08:45
<vagrantc>
that's probably when it was broken. sid is called unstable for a reason :)
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<zeltron>
vagrantc : That's a good news.
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<vagrantc>
zeltron: at any rate, as best as i can tell, etherboot as distributed by debian works fine for me both on sid and on etch with backports
08:48
<zeltron>
vagrantc : It seems so : looking for help on the net, it seems I'm the only one to get
08:49
this kind of problem... I'm only following the docs, but it doesn't want to work
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<vagrantc>
zeltron: i'd suggest making an etherboot floppy from debian ... testing that out, and if it works, maybe consider re-flashing to use that version of etherboot.
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<zeltron>
I think that's what i'm going to do. Thank you for your help anjd for your work on debian ltsp
08:52
<vagrantc>
good luck
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<bgomes>
Sistema de Propostas
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<new2linux>
are there anyway to configure squid as easy as microsoft isa server?
09:53
i think the linux are lighter than windows is because everything must be done under command-line
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whereas microsoft done all the things that is necessary to make it simple to the user
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that's why a single click on microsoft takes lots of cycle than on linux
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coz on linux you can't just click on a button to have a things done
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correct me if i'm wrong
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<stgraber>
new2linux: This channel is not the place to start a windows vs linux discussion. I guess that everyone here has done his choice to move to Linux for a reason and userfriendliness of setting up squid is probably not the one. I personaly like to know what I'm doing and like to script what I'm doing and AFAIK it's not possible with Windows.
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if you want an example, the first installation of squid I did took like one day to go through all options, all the others then took 10 minutes. 10 minutes is the time to install it, use the example config file I did the first time, add some other options and test it. Anyway, this channel is about LTSP and squid isn't used by LTSP (we don't have anything running on http AFAIK)
10:41
<new2linux>
forgot that one
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thought i'm on linux channel
10:41
i did successfully bring up the thin-client using fc8 and k12linux
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but, i just downloaded the squid program
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and can't find it on the start menu
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all i'm seeing on the website are commands
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are there anyway to setup the squid by just clicking?
10:42
your referrences will be a great help to me
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<stgraber>
squid is a server service so it's been built to be installed on computers that don't have a graphic interface.
10:44
you can probably find a web interface that edits squid's config file through
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*though
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<new2linux>
sorry, you were saying squid isn't used by ltsp
10:45
<stgraber>
I guess webmin did/does that but it's (or was) far from secure last time I heard of it
10:45
indeed
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<new2linux>
yes
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i just get the point
10:45
why we should use squid where everything is stored centrally
10:45
i just reallized that
10:46
mind me..
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<alexfire>
hello!
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is anybody here?
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<laga>
maybe.
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<alexfire>
I have just a little question... How can we do to mount a usb key in a workstation (client)?
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<tanner>
can you use LTSP with VMware server?
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<sepski>
tanner, why not. but since the act or running many clients on a server uses a lot of cpu/ram it's often not a good idea. but you CAN ofcourse
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as in it would scale poorly
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<tanner>
what would be a better way? (they have to have windows as their desktop)
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<rjune_>
tanner: windows terminal server
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<tanner>
i've heard of it, but i am not sure what that is
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<jammcq>
hellooooo
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<Egyptian[Home1>
tanner: have you heard of citrix ?
13:58
and hello everybody
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hi jammcq :)
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<tanner>
heard of, don't know much about it, i know its a thinclient type thing,
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<Egyptian[Home1>
tanner: windows terminal server is licensed from citrix and is a small subset of the original citrix product
13:59
tanner: well then ..there you have it :)
13:59* Egyptian[Home1 is off to bed .. bye all
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<tanner>
so when someone rdc's into a windows terminal server, they can get their own desktop?
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: ping
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: I'm heading west, I likely wont be online in your timezone. Please send me e-mail instead of only pinging on IRC.
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(of course he wont hear me)
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