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Channel log from 2 July 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
!compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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09:51
<winthrowe>
Hello all, I am having some problems with localapps functionality. I had it working, and thought I hadn't done anything major, basic upgrades and preparing my .skel and so forth, but now local apps silently fail. I don't see anything immediately ovbious poking around as root on the local machine, except that the localappsd does something, but I could use some troubleshooting tips
09:52
<dobber>
what are you trying to start as a local app ?
09:52
<winthrowe>
firefox, to offload flash
09:53
xterm also exhibits the same behavior, but I don't care if that works.
09:53
<dobber>
have you tryied starting it from the terminal ?
09:53
xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "firefox"
09:53
<winthrowe>
I will try that now, I had only tried as 'ltsp-localapps firefox'
09:54
<dobber>
its basically the same
09:55
<winthrowe>
yes, it just returns immediately again, without telling me anything useful at the shell. ubuntu 10.04 btw
09:55
<dobber>
ok
09:56
<winthrowe>
64bit server, 32 client, if it matters/helps
09:56
<dobber>
mine configuration is the same
09:57
can you do smth like
09:57
<winthrowe>
certainlky
09:58
<dobber>
$ strace -s 255 -o /tmp/debug-file -f /usr/bin/xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "firefox"
09:58
and paste the entire debug-file in pastebin.com
09:58
<winthrowe>
one moment
09:59
<dobber>
there are IP addresses in the file
09:59
if you want to change them
10:03
<winthrowe>
they're all 10.x addresses, so I think it's fine, http://pastebin.com/0X28j6fR
10:07
I can also do tracing of the local side, if that would help, it leaves behind a process labeled "[su] <defunct>"
10:07
and xatomwait LTSP_COMMAND
10:08
I don't remember checking when I had it working so that may or may not be normal
10:09
<dobber>
well the last strace was not very useful :(
10:11
as local root can you see if /var/log/daemon.log have any errors ?
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10:13
<winthrowe>
about as helpful as the terminal, logs that it's executing the command, but no error. perhaps it can be turned up.
10:15
<dobber>
well i'm really not sure what to do
10:16
try debuging local "ltsp-localappsd"
10:16
but i don't think that would be really helpful :(
10:18
<winthrowe>
well, I tried running strace -ff -o on it, and it spawns several processes, and seems to do a number of things before dying, but as i'm not a C guy, nothing jumped out of the traces to me.
10:19
except so far as it seems to die before actually running the target process, which is the problem in the first place
10:21
<dobber>
ltsp-localappsd does a bunch of stuff
10:22
and then sets LANG=$LANG LANGUAGE=$LANGUAGE etcetcetc $LTSP_COMMAND
10:22
so if you search in the debug file for LANGUAGE
10:22
you should see where the 'firefox' command was actually executed
10:23
but i dont think that would be very helpfull
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10:25
<dobber>
alkisg,
10:26
<alkisg>
?
10:26
<dobber>
you know a lot more than me
10:26
winthrowe have a problem starting local apps
10:27
<winthrowe>
yes, I am
10:28* alkisg looks at the logs...
10:28
<winthrowe>
any extra info you need, I will obtain.
10:31
<alkisg>
In the meantime, please paste your lts.conf
10:31
(or, getltscfg -a from a local shell)
10:32
<winthrowe>
here, or pastebin?
10:33
<vagrantc>
!seen gadi
10:33
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Gadi> that's two
10:33
<winthrowe>
http://pastebin.com/LJipWjzb
10:33
<vagrantc>
eeyk!
10:34
<alkisg>
vagrantc: about Gadi? He was speaking to me 2 days ago... deep in a project
10:34
<vagrantc>
ah
10:35
<alkisg>
winthrowe: OK, please remove all lines except 1 [Default] and 3 LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True from lts.conf and reboot your terminal.
10:35
The menu_items was making ltsp-localappsd to reject xterm
10:35
<winthrowe>
one moment.
10:36
rebooting
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<winthrowe>
there seems to be no change, running ltsp-localapps firefox still produces no output and no firefox window
10:39
<alkisg>
Try ltsp-localapps xterm
10:40
<winthrowe>
it is the same
10:41
<alkisg>
OK. Do you have the root account unlocked in the chroot?
10:41
<winthrowe>
I do
10:41
<alkisg>
OK, try: ps -ef | grep xatomwait
10:41
Is it there?
10:42
<winthrowe>
it appears
10:42
<alkisg>
And: grep ltsp-localappsd /var/log/daemon.log
10:42
See anything there?
10:43
<winthrowe>
"excecuting comand as username xx: xterm"
10:43
<alkisg>
But you don't actually see xterm... hmmm...
10:45
<winthrowe>
the only other major factor I can think of is the setup was originally installed in english and converted to french. do you see a possibility of it dying rather than dropping to the "C" locale as I am used to?
10:46
<alkisg>
I think putting some debug info to ltsp-localappsd would be the best way to debug this
10:47
Ah
10:47
Did you also say something about a "su <defunct>" job?
10:47
<winthrowe>
i did.
10:48
<alkisg>
what do you get with echo $LANG from the root shell?
10:49
<winthrowe>
en_CA.UTF-8
10:49
<alkisg>
Urm, shouldn't that be french?
10:50
<winthrowe>
I should think so.
10:52
<alkisg>
Try this from within the session: ltsp-localapps touch /tmp/hi
10:52
And then from the root shell: ls /tmp/hi
10:53
<winthrowe>
no such file
10:53
<alkisg>
OK. Well... on to debugging then
10:54
<winthrowe>
I'm going to reboot my terminal, with LANG properly set in /etc/default/locale first and see if that helps. I told him we should have just installed french. :)
10:55
at least then the client and server LANG should match
10:55
<alkisg>
That shouldn't be the problem though
10:56
<winthrowe>
but it is something I need to fix before i forget. ready again.
10:56
<alkisg>
Anyway, if that doesn't work, try this afterwards:
10:56
open /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd, and after this line:
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logit "Executing command as username ${LDM_USERNAME}: ${LTSP_COMMAND} "
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put this line:
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logit "su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c LANG=$LANG LANGUAGE=$LANG DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY $CLIENT_ENV ${LTSP_COMMAND}"
10:57
This way you'll see exactly what su tries to run, so that you can try it from the root shell and see any warnings etc
10:57
You'll need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the terminal as well
10:58
<winthrowe>
change made.
10:58
rebooting
11:01
umm..
11:02
that should be logged to daemon.log, just like the other message, right?
11:02
<alkisg>
Yes, but did you run ltsp-update-image?
11:02
<winthrowe>
I did.
11:02
the line shows when I examine the ltsp-localappsd file on the client, too
11:03
<alkisg>
Urm. Did you copy/paste that exact line above?
11:03
<winthrowe>
I did
11:03
including the trailing "
11:04
<alkisg>
And you put it right before the `if [ "$LTSP_COMMAND_WAIT" = "true" ]; then`, not inside the if, right?
11:04
<winthrowe>
correct.
11:05
<alkisg>
....and if you run `ltsp-localapps xterm` two times in a row, you see it in daemon.log, but you don't see the "su" line?!
11:05
<winthrowe>
below the logit that is getting logged, and above the if [ "$LTSP_COMAND_WAIT" ...
11:06
there isn't some shell weirdness that requires blanks or semicolons going on is there?
11:07
cause it looks like it should work to me
11:07
<alkisg>
No... did you try running ltsp-localapps xterm two times?
11:07
(to verify that logger isn't dying)
11:08
<winthrowe>
I tried firefox twice, and it showed up twice, I'll retry with xterm
11:08
<alkisg>
Don't try firefox at all as it might have other problems. But yeah that covers the test we wanted here...
11:09
<winthrowe>
xterm only showed up once, even though I tried it several times.
11:09
oh, I guess syslog just was waiting to batch them\
11:10
<alkisg>
Ah. Try this:
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logit() {
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logger -t ltsp-localappsd -p daemon.info "$@"
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}
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That $1 there may cause problems because it isn't quoted
11:11
ltsp-update-image etc... :)
11:11
<winthrowe>
s/$1/"$@"/ correct?
11:11
<alkisg>
Yup
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<winthrowe>
one minute
11:12
rebuilt, rebooting
11:14
now there's something
11:14
guess I'll have to retype by hand, so one moment:
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su - correctuser -c LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=fr_FR.utf-8 DISPLAY=:7 XAUTHORITY=/var/run/ldm-auth-blah/Xauthority xterm
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<winthrowe>
ldm-auth-blah is populated to an existing directory with a Xauthority file owned by the correct user
11:18
<alkisg>
And I suppose if you try that exact command from the root shell, it works?
11:20
<winthrowe>
no! :)
11:20
su: auth failure
11:20
(Ignored)
11:21
LANGUAGE=fr_FR.UTF-8: 27: Syntax error: "else" unexpected
11:21
well, 'else' certainly is unexpected. line 27 of what?
11:23
whatever it is, it's the exact same error for any program
11:23* alkisg will be back in 5'...
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<alkisg>
winthrowe: what configuration files did you tamper? E.g. /etc/environment or /etc/profile or some pam files...
11:33
<winthrowe>
some pam files were modified to set up pam-mount but I believe it was still working after that change.
11:35
<alkisg>
try strace or something like that
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...to see which files su accesses
11:44
<winthrowe>
I have a list, but I don't know which might be important. I see that it's missing some locale files still
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<winthrowe>
I can't really see anything that comes out, lots of pam files listed, but those were all changed on the server.
11:50
http://pastebin.com/MnkFjXs0 is output from strace -eopen on the su command
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<winthrowe>
the two you mentioned /etc/enviroment and /etc/profile, i haven't touched
12:04
<alkisg>
If you just run `su username`, does it work?
12:04
(from the root shell)
12:05
<winthrowe>
yes, I get a shell under the new user
12:06
<alkisg>
Ah, btw, watch for the quotes when you use su
12:06
su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c "LANG=$LANG LANGUAGE=$LANG DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY $CLIENT_ENV ${LTSP_COMMAND}"
12:06
^^^ see where the quotes should be there
12:06
Because in logit we changed them, we put them in front
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(to make them one parameter to logit instead of many, so that all the line gets logged)
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<winthrowe>
that changes "LANGUAGE=fr_FR: 27: syntax error" to "-su: syntax error: "else" unexpected"
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<alkisg>
something like that: su - correctuser -c "LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=fr_FR.utf-8 DISPLAY=:7 XAUTHORITY=/var/run/ldm-auth-blah/Xauthority xterm"
12:09
Then, try removing stuff until you get it to work
12:11
Also check if it's a problem for this specific user - e.g. try to create a new user
12:11
<winthrowe>
if I back it down to 'su - correctuser' it still complains '-su: Syntax error: "else" unexpected' but it gives me a shell
12:12
anything more gives that same error but dies
12:12
<alkisg>
create a new user on the server, login normallly from ldm, and then try su - newuser
12:15
<frederickjh>
Can some one point me to a how for running some apps on the clients?
12:15
I have done this before but can not seem to find the instructions via google.
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<alkisg>
!localapps
12:18
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "localapps" :: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
12:18
<alkisg>
There's also a newer one for karmic...
12:19
<winthrowe>
that's weird. it works for a server local user, but not for a ldap user.
12:19
as in, i can run the xterm
12:20
even though I blew away the home directory for my ldap test user and it was created from scratch on first login with the same skel as my local user
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<csabadobo>
hi,
12:37
may ask for some hlep?
12:38
I am building an ltsp system in a school
12:39
<vagrantc>
!question
12:39
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
12:39
<alkisg>
Sure, go ahead
12:39
<csabadobo>
ok, thanks
12:39
I have a few related questions like: how to set default screen resolution
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<csabadobo>
and set a script to shut down clients
12:40
and a few more like these
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<alkisg>
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
12:40
<alkisg>
XRANDR_MODE_0 there
12:41
<csabadobo>
it is ubuntu 10.04
12:41
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP ==> methods for shutdown etc
12:43
<csabadobo>
have you tryed this
12:43
?
12:43
because I have and it does not seem to do anything
12:44
<alkisg>
Not personally, I'm using my own scripts. But others have, and it works for them. There are 2 methods there, I heard both of them are working.
12:44
<csabadobo>
my mad than
12:45
ok, I will try it again
12:46
how about setting a screen res? problem is that on some monitors res. is really high
12:47
I am thinking limiting to some reasonable max size
12:49
<winthrowe>
alkisg: I thought it might be a sh vs bash issue, since there was a shell mismatch between my ldap and test user, but no luck. any other thoughts as to why local apps might be broken for ldap users?
12:49
<alkisg>
csabadobo: see what I wrote about XRANDR_MODE_0 above
12:50
winthrowe: nope, no idea about ldap.
12:50
I'd check all the files that strace says are accessed by su...
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12:51
<winthrowe>
well, at least that's more information than I had this afternoon.
12:59
<csabadobo>
<alkisg: can you give me an example, lets say for 1024x768 max res?
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<csabadobo>
I am not so very good yet
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<vagrantc>
XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768
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<csabadobo>
thanks
13:01
so it is the max res or it is the only one that can be set?
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<alkisg>
It's the default res
13:03
Users can select another if they want
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<csabadobo>
sorry again, is there a way I can specify a few resolutions with the max?
13:05
<alkisg>
Not easily. You can either set the default or a fixed resolution, but not the max resolution.
13:05
For the max resolution, you'd need to set X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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So read the lts.conf man page about XRANDR_MODE_0, X_MODE_0, X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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<csabadobo>
I see, so best is to use XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768 or whatever I prefer
13:07
<alkisg>
It's the easiest way, yes
13:07
<csabadobo>
then I need to user relatively similar monitors
13:08
I am building this in a school with about 1000 students and staff
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<csabadobo>
but not all will use it, mainly in the library and a few in the corridor
13:09
I have already incorporated ldap client for the ltsp server with nfs
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with auto home
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<csabadobo>
may I ask more or am I keeping you up?
13:11
<alkisg>
It's an irc channel, people come and go, anyone here can answer. So go ahead and ask, if anyone knows the question and reads the channel he'll answer...
13:11
<csabadobo>
very kind thanks
13:14
first I wanted xfce to be the desktop but some problem came up: usb sticks were not shown on client's desktop but it was mounted under media...and....
13:14
<vagrantc>
the only desktop that fully integrates local devices is gnome
13:15
<csabadobo>
when I plugged an pendrive into server all clients received the pendrive icon and was shown the contents
13:15
<frederickjh>
(07:18:25 PM) alkisg: There's also a newer one for karmic... Do you know of one for Lucid? That is what I am running.
13:15
<csabadobo>
ok, I came to the same conlusion, but
13:16
<vagrantc>
and plugging devices into the server should generally be avoided.
13:16
<csabadobo>
I need some sort of lockdown, I found sabayon...
13:16
<alkisg>
frederickjh: the karmic one is valid for lucid too
13:16
<csabadobo>
it works very nicely but I had a strange error
13:17
when I was done configuring the desktop I wanted to lock down the panel, no luck....
13:17
<vagrantc>
for an ltspfs notification script for other desktops: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/annotate/head:/doc/examples/notify
13:17
<csabadobo>
the only way I could lock it down is when I locked my own panel, not inside sabayon screeen then it was locked for all
13:18
very strange
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<frederickjh>
Thank alkisg found it.
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<csabadobo>
could it be due to me using nfs auto home on ltsp server?
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<alkisg>
frederickjh: basically, you just need to install the apps to the chroot, and set LOCALAPPS_MENU_ITEMS in lts.conf
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<csabadobo>
one more: is there a way to disable window manager choosing in ldm?
13:27
I wanted to use ltsp manager to do that but it did not work
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<Lns>
hey check this out
15:59
http://labombiya.com.ar/hard/hobby/33-login-with-magnetic-cards.html
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<vagrantc>
AHA!
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the reason there's no /var/run/ltspfs_fstab is because one of the initscripts purges /var/run at boot...
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<vagrantc>
and the reason /var/run/ gets purged is because RAMRUN and RAMLOCK are set in /etc/default/tmpfs instead of /etc/default/rcS
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which worked in lenny, but apparently not in squeeze...
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<jammcq>
hello friends
22:17* vagrantc customarily waves
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<jammcq>
hey vagrantc
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