IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 11 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<drwahl>
looking for it :) one sec
00:01
uhg, where can i find the lts.conf file at?
00:02
<sbalneav>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc
00:02
<drwahl>
hmm, i dont seem to have one in there
00:05
<sbalneav>
Then you've just got the defaults.
00:05
<drwahl>
which are...?
00:05
<sbalneav>
localdevs and sound are turned on.
00:06
<drwahl>
but how do i log in? :) i dont have any users created, and it doesnt seem to be using the users on the ltsp server
00:06
does it have to do with nfs?
00:06
<sbalneav>
It should be using the users on the ltsp server.
00:06
<drwahl>
huh... odd
00:06
<sbalneav>
You get the graphical greeter?
00:07
<drwahl>
nope
00:07
text
00:07
<sbalneav>
ok, then X isn't starting
00:07
that's your problem.
00:08
What kind of graphics card do you have in the box?
00:08
<drwahl>
intel something... its a Dell laptop
00:08
i use the i830? driver
00:09
<sbalneav>
You might try creating a lts.conf file in the directory I told you with:
00:09
[Default]
00:10
XSERVER=vesa
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in
00:10
in it
00:10
<drwahl>
ok
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00:26
<drwahl>
my biggest problem right now with ltsp is that i can not log in. it still isnt using the users on the servers system
00:27
do i need to restart some service?
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01:09
<garbat>
Blank to all. I have a problem in order to add an other PC in my system ltsp-5 with Ubuntu Feisty. Me it seems that enough not to insert an other host in dhcpd.conf, because the client one jams endured after the shielded one of Ubuntu with a cursore blinking. What I can make?
01:09
<drwahl>
i am still having issues getting X working my Xorg log can be found at http://drwahl.ath.cx/Xorg.6.log
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01:56
<cyberorg>
hi guys what is the fate of configure_x.sh ?
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02:25
<maulanar>
cyberorg, are there updated instructions for installing kiwi-ltsp on opensuse?
02:25
<cyberorg>
maulanar, not yet, but you can ask here or on #kiwi when you want to start on it
02:26
it is just change in one conf file and running one command, conf file is self explanatory (hopefully)
02:28
<maulanar>
cyberorg, downloaded the dvd iso last night and i'm about to start on it
02:29
can i use instructions from http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP?
02:29
<cyberorg>
ok, cool, would you do a wiki update ? :)
02:29
i'll give you step by step here
02:29
no, try experimental ones
02:30
let me know when you are ready
02:30
<maulanar>
cyberorg, do you mean try experimental instructions?
02:31
<cyberorg>
there are no experimental instructions, we will work on installing experimental ltsp5 with ldm on your machine
02:31
you can then put those up on the wiki, so next time i can point people there ;)
02:32
<maulanar>
ok, so i'll be needing the ltsp5 tarball then?
02:35
<cyberorg>
no
02:36
you just need 10.3 dvd, and few packages, are you doing the setup now?
02:36
we will be using 100% suse :)
02:37
<maulanar>
yeah, just started but i downloaded the 10.2 iso not 10.3
02:37
<cyberorg>
nope, we need 10.3
02:38
unfortunately 10.3 dvd is available only on torrent
02:39
<maulanar>
ok, let me start the download
02:39
<cyberorg>
get 10.3 beta3
02:40
<maulanar>
url for torrent file?
02:45
<cyberorg>
ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.3-Beta3/iso/torrent
02:45
ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.3-Beta3/iso/torrent/openSUSE-10.3-Beta2_Beta3-DVD-i386.torrent
02:45
this one ^^
02:46
sorry ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.3-Beta3/iso/torrent/openSUSE-10.3-Beta3-DVD-i386.torrent
02:46
this one
02:46
<maulanar>
thanks, i'll start the download now be in touch when it's finished
02:46
do i need any extra packages besides the iso?
02:53
<cyberorg>
not yet, once you get that, you'll have to add couple of online repo
02:55
<maulanar>
ok, let me wait for the download to finish
02:56
btw i'm downloading the 64 bit iso
02:57
<cyberorg>
maulanar, 32 bit is preferred for now, as the image is 32bit one
02:58
i haven't tried 64bit :(
02:59
<maulanar>
hmmm, i managed to get ltsp5 with localdev working on sled10 x86_64 yesterday
03:00
only problem is the clients slow down after several logins
03:00
the clients are 32 bit
03:00
machines
03:01
i couldn't see why that was
03:01
<cyberorg>
maulanar, memory leak somewhere
03:02
<maulanar>
cyberorg, any ideas where exactly?
03:03
<cyberorg>
maulanar, clients running out of memory as they do not clear everything on logging off, cant say what exactly
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05:42
<bmu>
hi, where can i find a awk-intepreter package for ltsp?
05:42
i'm missing it for lbussd/cd
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06:58
<BlackDark>
morning all
07:05
hey guys remember the problem I reported yesterday
07:05
the xorg crash caused by execsive memory usage by firefox or so
07:05
I've added a limit in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
07:06
I've added in the script ulimit -v 102400 (+- 100M)
07:06
I tried to set the limit on hte memory with -m option, but It doesn't worked out
07:07
the correct option is -v
07:07
I'll modify a bit more ldm to turn it dynamic, and set as limit 90% of the memory size
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08:38
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav`: Morning...
08:39
sbalneav`: It worked...
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08:49
<ogra>
!s
08:49
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:51
<Gadi>
morning, guys: FYI I checked into the pulse-shm stuff (ie, the need for pulseaudio to have 1777 access to /dev/shm, and it is legit and required for certain apps to work properly. And will cause firefox to crash on some flash sites if the dir is not properly chmod'd)
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08:57
<ogra>
Gadi, thats nonsense
08:57
we talked about it already
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08:57
<ogra>
pulse does at no time access the servers /dev/shm
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09:00
<Gadi>
ogra: try it
09:00
pulse-shm indeed does
09:00
for every user
09:00
that goes to such a site
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09:18
<ogra>
Gadi, i'm using flash here witout probs everywhere
09:18
<Gadi>
ok, so ls /dev/shm/
09:19
do you not see any files on the server for you ruser?
09:20
<ogra>
hrm
09:20
<Gadi>
:)
09:20
ill take that as a yes
09:20
<ogra>
hrm
09:20
<Gadi>
still nonsense?
09:20* ogra blusjes
09:20
<ogra>
*blushes too
09:20
yes, but not from your side
09:20
why the heck does it do that ?
09:21
<Gadi>
evidently, it is only with recent distros that /dev/shm is 1777 by default (used to be 755)
09:21
so if anyone does an upgrade, they could get hit with that issue
09:21
once you chmod, all is better
09:21
<ogra>
ogra@laptop:~$ mount|grep shm
09:21
devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)#
09:21
-#
09:21
<Gadi>
I just wanted to note it, in case other souls come in with firefox crashing issues
09:22
<ogra>
can yu check thats mounted right for you ?
09:22
<Gadi>
well, this sytem is fine, now
09:22
no issues whatsoever
09:22
<ogra>
/etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh should hav set it up rw for the whole system
09:22
<Gadi>
I am just noting what happens if it is chmod'd wrong
09:23
<ogra>
right, but why was it wrong ?
09:23
its part of the bootprocess to make it a tmpfs and rw
09:23
<Gadi>
well, 755 is tmpfs and rw
09:24
just not 1777
09:24
<ogra>
(beyond that pulse is still behaving wrong here)
09:24
<Gadi>
;)
09:24
<ogra>
well, its supposed to be 177
09:24
1777
09:24
<Gadi>
where does that chmod happen?
09:24
<ogra>
in every default install
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09:24
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:24
<ogra>
it doesnt need to be chmodded
09:24
<Gadi>
just on install, most likely, right?
09:24
<ogra>
no
09:25
look at /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh
09:25
its a tmpfs
09:25* Gadi looks
09:25
<ogra>
its by default 1770
09:25
err
09:25
1777
09:26
<Gadi>
that is true of any tmpfs?
09:26
nothing has to set it that way?
09:28
<ogra>
yes
09:28
it defaults to the same settings /tmp uses
09:31
<Gadi>
ah
09:32
ok. well, maybe something weird was up with that install
09:32
not sure
09:32
in my googling I did find some gentoo users with the same issue post-upgrade
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09:32
<Gadi>
but, maybe it was a fluke
09:33
<ogra>
well, in any case you pointed out an uglyness in pulse i need to fiy
09:33
<Gadi>
just always good to know something else to check when firefox crashes :)
09:33
<ogra>
*fix
09:33
<vlt>
Hello. How can I set the timezone of the _client_ which runs on UTC by default?
09:34
<ogra>
ltsp5 ?
09:34
<vlt>
ogra: Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 LTS packages
09:35* vlt doesn't know when/if ltsp5 was integrated in ubuntu.
09:36
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/test dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
09:36
that works at least in newerversions
09:36
<vlt>
By default there's no file /etc/timezone (in /opt/ltsp/i386/). I created one but don't know when it is ...
09:37
ogra: Ok, I'll try.
09:37
ogra: thank you.
09:37* ogra cant even remember anymore if tzdata was used back than
09:37
<ogra>
*then
09:38
<vlt>
ogra: Would you reccommend upgrading to ltsp5 on Dapper? (In general, not for the timezone thing ;-)
09:38
<ogra>
dapper has ltsp5
09:39
<vlt>
ogra: aah, ok, then I misinterpreted your "used back then" ...
09:39
<ogra>
if you installed ltsp-server and -standalone and dibt use the ltsp-utils package (thats ltsp4) you already have ltsp5
09:39
*didnt
09:40
<vlt>
ogra: -standalone is installed, -utils not.
09:41
<ogra>
good
09:41
<vlt>
But there's no pkg tzdata in /opt/ltsp/i386
09:41
<ogra>
so you use ltsp5 :)
09:41
try sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/test tzconfig
09:41
i think that was the old tool
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09:45
<vlt>
tzconfig does exist ... and told me I was in Europe/Berlin. I think it read my /etc/timezone file. How can I trigger a running client to change the tz? running `tzconfig` there didn't help
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09:51
<ogra>
did you reboot it after changing /etc/timezone ?
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09:59
<jammcq>
hello friends
10:01
<ogra>
jammcq, ! :)
10:02
<jammcq>
hey ogra
10:02
I was just reading about FOSCamp-2007
10:02
<Gadi>
howdy, jammcq
10:02
<jammcq>
err, FOSSCamp-2007
10:02
hello gadi
10:02
<ogra>
jammcq, did you every thing about teaming up with system76 and offer complete thin client solutions ? http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
10:03
<jammcq>
hmm
10:03
<ogra>
preinstalled server and 10/20 or 30 TC in a bundle ;)
10:03
<jammcq>
we've toyed with the idea of selling a pre-packaged LTSP server and clients
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10:04
<BlackDark>
jammcq, what kind of terminal are you going to package ?
10:04
<jammcq>
BlackDark: we already sell them. http://www.DisklessWorkstations.com
10:04
i'm just saying that we've talked about the idea of selling complete systems. never really followed up on that tho
10:05
<ogra>
BlackDark, the thing is that system76 sells preinstalled LTSP servers :)
10:05
<BlackDark>
it's a good idea to package server and terminals
10:05
<ogra>
yeah
10:05
<BlackDark>
and to come with a built-in solution for the customers
10:05
<ogra>
"IT out of the box"
10:05
just wire it up, boot and you are done :)
10:06
<jammcq>
the thing is, support can kill you
10:06
<ogra>
yeah
10:06
<BlackDark>
I migght be good idea to package some kiosk solutions too
10:06
<ogra>
thats why i meant team up with them :)
10:06
leave the busy side at their desk
10:06
<BlackDark>
for the lobbies in the hotels for instance
10:06
<jammcq>
but now, with Canonical offering support, that might work
10:06
<ogra>
BlackDark, ltsp-build-client has a kiosk option since two releases already ;)
10:06
<BlackDark>
btw do you guys work fulltime for ubuntu ?
10:06* ogra does
10:06
<jammcq>
not me
10:07
<BlackDark>
ogra, yeah I know, but if you could offer a built-in kiosk solutions, it could be great
10:07
<ogra>
well, actually on edubuntu ... ubuntu is rather a pet thing for me :)
10:07
<BlackDark>
so you got a salary from edubuntu ?
10:07
<ogra>
jammcq, very good article in german "linux magazin" bte
10:07
*mtw
10:08
gah
10:08
*b t w
10:08
BlackDark, no, i get a salary from canonical, but my ain job is edubuntu
10:08
*main
10:08
<BlackDark>
ok :)
10:08
<jammcq>
ogra: yeah, I saw that. I hope they said good things about us
10:09
<ogra>
http://linuxmagazin.de/heft_abo/ausgaben/2007/10/einer_fuer_alle?category=0
10:09
<BlackDark>
so the philosophy from canonical is to work from home full time ?
10:09
<ogra>
lots and lots of good things
10:09
<jammcq>
http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1028
10:09
<ogra>
and its the first article that actually gets all tech details right (might be because i had it for proof reading in advance though ;) )
10:09
<jammcq>
heh
10:09
<ogra>
BlackDark, ack
10:10
<BlackDark>
it's a great way to work
10:10
for sure, it's much less expensive for canonical
10:10
<ogra>
well, its so so ...
10:10
<BlackDark>
and they can get people from everywhere on the plannet
10:10
<ogra>
you dont really ever stop working if you work from home
10:10
thats ver ydanerous
10:10
<BlackDark>
true
10:11
<jammcq>
that's why /me got a real office last year. 7 years of working from home takes its toll
10:11
<BlackDark>
it's difficult too for the meetings and so on
10:11
<ogra>
i finally manager to pull myself out after 10-12h now that i have a separate office and dont try to carry my lappie into the living room
10:11
<BlackDark>
I work a bit from home for IBM
10:12
<ogra>
but its a bit of self discipline you need
10:12
<BlackDark>
yes that;s true
10:12
LTSP for me is just a personnal project, not for IBM
10:12
I'm trying to push the solution for the kiosks
10:12
I work in a IBM plant in Canada
10:13
<ogra>
did you try the kiosk setup we have ? it could surely need some more love
10:13
<BlackDark>
no not yet
10:13
we do have some redmond OS kiosks
10:13
I'm sure the solution is great
10:13
<ogra>
nah, its cheap :)
10:14
<BlackDark>
I would love to get the ltsp server on a mainframe
10:14
<ogra>
its just starting a windowmanager locally and runs firefox fullscreen in there
10:14
all with a temporary user
10:14
(locally== on the client)
10:14
<BlackDark>
can you add some applications ?
10:14
I would need to run x3270 too
10:14
<ogra>
its a chroot, indeed, you can add yll you find in the package archive ;)
10:15
*all
10:15
<BlackDark>
ok good
10:15
<ogra>
even ful desktps
10:15
*desktops
10:15
<BlackDark>
how do you lockup the station ?
10:15
so you have to prevent a couple of things to be done
10:15
<ogra>
define lockup
10:16
you mean like remotely locking with a screensaver ?
10:16
<BlackDark>
just a way to prevent the user to do some nasty things
10:16
<ogra>
he can do all nasty things he wants ;)
10:16
its all in a tmpfs ...
10:16
especially /home
10:16
<BlackDark>
but on the serve r?
10:16
<ogra>
right
10:17
all changes will be gone after next reboot of the client
10:17
<BlackDark>
if the user runs a terminal he could try to do somethings on the server
10:17
<ogra>
unless you have something like nfs mounted homwdirs
10:17
<BlackDark>
ie : trying to hack the server
10:17
<ogra>
sure
10:17
but thats the case with a network of worstations as well
10:17
<BlackDark>
we do have some smart ass on the manufacturing floors
10:17
yes
10:17
<ogra>
what i'm describing is adiskless workstation setuo atm
10:18
*setup
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10:18
<ogra>
what you do with the desktop settings then is up to you ;)
10:18
<BlackDark>
:)
10:18
<ogra>
you can loc it down using sabayon or pessulus
10:18
or if you use kde the kde kiosktool
10:19
<BlackDark>
interesting
10:19
that's an another project anyways
10:19
some colleagues 'd like to use ltsp to give access to lotus notes
10:20
I'm testing the native linux version of notes
10:20
<ogra>
well, for that the firefox kiosk setup sounds perfect
10:20
ah, native
10:20
i thought through the web desktop
10:20
<BlackDark>
that project is not with the kiosk thing
10:21
running everything on the mainframe could be OMG
10:21
you have plenty of IO and CPU
10:23
right now my personnal project with ltsp is to get some silent desks at home
10:23
so the server is installed somewhere in the basement
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10:23
<BlackDark>
server runs ltsp and mythtv
10:23* ogra assembled a silent TV media box this way on the weekend :)
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10:24
<BlackDark>
ogra, what backend software ?
10:24
<ogra>
just missing the mythtv server side to be set up ... but i dont have the time to set up the DVB card
10:24
<BlackDark>
mythtv or other ?
10:24
<ogra>
i think i'll use myth
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<BlackDark>
I have 2 pvr-250 in my box
10:25
I love myth
10:25
<ogra>
i'D love to assembel a diskless mediacenter thingie based on mythbuntu at some point
10:25
<BlackDark>
I've been using it for 3 years
10:25
could be cool
10:25
<ogra>
but thats a side project i cant put much time into atm
10:25
<BlackDark>
all you need is some huge storage
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10:26
<ogra>
well, i want a ltsp-build-client --mediacenter switch that sets it up for you ;)
10:26
<BlackDark>
the guys of minimyth looks to do a very good job, though
10:26
so for the client ?
10:27
if you do so I'll buy directly
10:28
<ogra>
heh
10:28
i wonder if it makes sense now that we use the squashfs images to have ltsp-client-image-* packages ...
10:29
that saves all the setup stuff ...
10:29
<BlackDark>
yeah
10:29
<ogra>
most users will want a default setup anyway ...
10:29* ogra puts that on the discussion list for next developer summit
10:30
<BlackDark>
can't you have a meta package to install the mediacenter packages ?
10:30
<ogra>
that already exists in mythibuntu afaik
10:30
*mythbuntu
10:30
<BlackDark>
for a diskless clients ?
10:31
<ogra>
hmm, no, not really
10:31
i was expecting to find a mythbuntu-client or something
10:31
but there is nothing yet
10:32* ogra takes a coffebrak before uploading the next ltsp package
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<vykarian>
hi guys!
11:28
I'm having problems with lp_server with jobs larger than 1 mb.. it just take soooo long (around 10 minutes if the box doesn't freezes)
11:28
<BlackDark>
vykarian, when you print from oo ?
11:28
<vykarian>
I'm wondering about changing the lp_server to fli4l.. does someone already passed thru that?
11:28
sorry, oo ?
11:28
<BlackDark>
open office
11:29
I've seen an article about problems when printing from open office
11:30
oo use the xorg cache to generate the print. the solution is to disable the transparency
11:30
I'm just relaying the solution, I never tested it
11:30
<vykarian>
no.. thats from any application.. primary huge images pics..
11:31
when I put the printer in a printserver (native, the mini-box) it works perfectly
11:31
<BlackDark>
I'd bet xorg is running out of memory on the terminal, and the terminal freezes ?
11:31
<vykarian>
before that I tested upgrading the cups and trying to find some buffer configuration
11:31
early in the morning a co-worker tested that and went just fine.. I found some documentation about that
11:31
but before changing/testing wanted know if someone here already made that
11:33
I didn't see with my eyes the terminal that freezes.. but they are all > 733 MHz with 256 RAM
11:34
<BlackDark>
when you said it takes up to 10min if the box doesn't freeze
11:34
what box ? the print server ?
11:35
http://mille-xterm.org/en/TerminalMemoryUsage
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<ruivaldo>
hi, i would know if dillo can work as a local app into the station ?
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<thermoman>
hi. i've got a VIA CPU here (vendor_id CentaurHauls, cpu family 6, model 7, model name VIA Samuel 2, flags: fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow) which boots fine with kernel 2.6.15 and CONFIG_MCYRIXIII=y but fails with Kernel Panic "CPU too old for this kernel" on 2.6.22. What am i supposed to select as CPU Type?
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<vagrantc>
thermoman: are you building a kernel for LTSP ?
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<vagrantc>
unless you're using all the same thin clients, i would recommend using the most basic kernel type possible.
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<vykarian>
BlackDark.. went check that box that they are saying that freezes.. thats only one and thats a hardware problem
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so... the only problem is delay of lp_server in huge files
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<BlackDark>
vykarian, ok
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<thermoman>
vagrantc: it's a kernel for a specific thinclient model
12:16
i've debugged it so far that it has something to do with CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG64=y
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<vagrantc>
well, finally got newer ltsp packages uploaded to debian :)
12:28* vagrantc waits for the bugs to come rolling in
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12:35
<klausade>
vagrantc: i could try the new ltsp stuff on etch. whats new in it?
12:37
<vagrantc>
klausade: i actually have to build a separate backport
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klausade: but ldm is totally re-written ... that's probably the biggest change
12:42
<klausade>
vagrantc: aah, I thought you already had done the backports.
12:42
<vagrantc>
klausade: no, the sid packages are still at http://incoming.debian.org
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<klausade>
vagrantc: ok. But, if you do backport, then i'm ready and willing to test.
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<Ryudo>
sbal hi :D
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i need a litle help :)
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Afternoon...
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<sbalneav>
Hey Guaraldo!
13:38
Ryudo: hello
13:38
<Ryudo>
hi sbal i'm back
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<Ryudo>
sbal i needing the ltsp5 documentations of your apresentations on fisl and in the world ? O_O porr english oh my god
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i need pdfs slides shows ....
13:43
all you have about ltsp5
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<elisboa>
does anyone know how does swap via NFS work?
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<vagrantc_>
swap over NFS requires patches to the kernel
13:50
it's not in the standard linux kernel
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<Ryudo>
scott ?
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<Guaraldo>
Ryudo: I think Scott is not among us... :-/
13:57
Ryudo: But he will be back soon... He can't stay away of here much time...
13:57
<elisboa>
vagrantc_: you mean the thin client's kernel or the server's kernel?
13:57
I think it would be the thin client's
13:57
<vagrantc_>
elisboa: i think just the thin-client kernel, but i am not sure.
13:58
LTSP has been using swap over NBD for a while now
13:58
<elisboa>
Thansk, I think that I can do it now
13:58
is swap over NBD bbetter than NFS?
13:58
<vagrantc_>
it doesn't require kernel patches
13:58
<jammcq>
well, swap over NBD works. swap over NFS doesn't. so I'd say YES, NBD is better.
13:58
<vagrantc_>
other than that, i don't know if it's better or not
13:59
<Guaraldo>
vagrantc_: do you know when will ldm writen in C avaible on gutsy test?
13:59
<vagrantc_>
Guaraldo: i'm pretty sure it's already there
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc_: Ive actualized my vm gutsy server right now and thought boot too slowly yet...
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<elisboa>
jammcq: I've had much problems with floppies via NBD, back in the 03/04's
14:00
<jammcq>
that's a whole different problem
14:01
ever since the 2.6 kernels, swap over NFS doesn't work
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<elisboa>
what you really want to mean with "doesn't work"? How buggy is this?
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<jammcq>
there is NO possiblity of NFS Swap with 2.6 kernels.
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<vagrantc_>
unless you want to write the kernel patches yourself
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<jammcq>
I maintained the NFS-Swap patch for the 2.4 kernels and when 2.6 came out, the vm subsystem was entirely different. Swap over NFS just doesn't work. you can't do 'swapon' to a NFS mounted filesystem with 2.6
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<vagrantc_>
i just know we could cram another f in there
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<Ryudo>
jim :D ou have a slides shows of fisl about ltsp5 ?
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<jammcq>
hmm, scotty was talking about ltsp-5
14:09
he'll prolly be around again soon
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<Ryudo>
i'm waiting scott back :D
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<elisboa>
hmmm
14:24
thanks, jammcq
14:26
jammcq: a last question: does swap over nbd work without any problem? Isin't there any overhead on the server's harddrive?
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<vagrantc_>
no different than with swap over nfs
14:27
you're using hard-drive space somewhere ...
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<elisboa>
hmm, understooed
14:28
s/oe/o/
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<jammcq>
scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:31
<sbalneav>
Hey hey
14:31
Ryudo: Sorry, back
14:31
Ryudo: Best bet is to look at the Edubuntu handbook
14:31
<Ryudo>
i looking for edubuntu
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<vagrantc_>
sbalneav: had to revert your changes in ltsp-client-core init script to use awk for the SCREEN_* stuff ... it just plain didn't work :(
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<sbalneav>
Ryudo: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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<Ryudo>
do you have slides show of you presentations on fisl ?
14:32
<sbalneav>
vagrantc_: How come?
14:33
<vagrantc_>
sbalneav: because it was totally and utterly broken ?
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<sbalneav>
Thanks for the helpful information.
14:34
<vagrantc_>
:P
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<Ryudo>
scott if possible i need your slide shows of ltsp (fisl)
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "why scotty's patch didn't work" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/316
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<vagrantc_>
sbalneav: see above
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<Ryudo>
:(
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<BlackDark>
just read an article about the new chinese /better/ internet
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they just gonna deploy IPv6
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I though those guys would redesign the protocol
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Hi, man...
15:03
sbalneav: Can you send me those presentations of FISL 8?
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Are you there?
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Yep
15:33
Man, I don't know where they are.
15:33
I'd have to look.
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: No problem... A friend of mine is doing a monography about LTSP costs redution... He asked me if I have some material to help... I thought about your presentation on FISL...
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<sbalneav>
That Ryudo?
15:38
I didn't see his request for the slides, until after
15:38
I'll see if I can dig them up.
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<Ryudo>
opa
15:40
his friend its me :)
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Yep... Its Ryudo... But I want to have that presentation with me too...
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<sbalneav>
OK, I'll have to look for it at home, it's probably on my laptop
15:47
Check back tomorrow.
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<BlackDark>
bye guis
15:48
guys
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<Ryudo>
ok ! scott thank you
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<Guaraldo>
Great Scott!!! Thanks, very much!
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<lns_>
hey guys, i'm onsite with a class in session - is it ok to restart tftpd while people are logged in (via /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa restart)? For some reason, it's not booting thin clients anymore (but people already logged in are doing ok)
16:42
i installed xinetd and i think that's what borked it
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<white_n_azz>
can I ask newbie general question?
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<Guaraldo>
white_n_azz: Have you searched twiki.ltsp.org?
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<white_n_azz>
no - I am doubting that this is covered on wiki
16:56
<Guaraldo>
white_n_azz: Many of FAQ are there...
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<white_n_azz>
I see that I can use iMacs as clients and I have ltspadmin downloading pieces now (4.2)
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I'm looking at wiki now that covers Mac clients
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<Guaraldo>
:-D
16:58
<white_n_azz>
I wanted to make certain that the i386 stuff is the right stuff to use on server when I am going to be using iMacs as netboot clients
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<Guaraldo>
Well... I have to go right now... See you all tomorrow...
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<lns_>
Guys, i'm having major issues booting up clients now that I tried installing xinetd on ubuntu feisty/LTSP... first, inetd.conf got all mucked up somehow, and now that I fixed it (double server entry for /usr/sbin/in.tftpd) they will boot the kernel but will hit ldm and have a blank screen/flashing cursor in upper left
17:06
any ideas?
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<lns_>
ok..rebooted the server and that did the trick for whatever reason
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<lns_>
Crazy question - is there a way to access a *real* LTSP session from Windows using a software client?
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I see "XWinLogon"...i wonder if this would work?
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<drwahl>
i am trying to run ltsp-build-client, but it keeps failing on chroot, saying:
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W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
19:29
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<drwahl>
hi
19:34
sbalneav: are you an experienced ltsp user?
19:34
<sbalneav>
One might say that.
19:34
<drwahl>
i am trying to run ltsp-build-client, but it keeps failing on chroot, saying:
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W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
19:35
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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<sbalneav>
You've already got proc mounted in the chroot
19:35
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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umount /proc
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exit
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then, blow away your /opt/ltsp/i386, and start from scratch.
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<drwahl>
hmm
19:36
chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
19:36
that's not good
19:36
<sbalneav>
ok, it failed then.
19:36
simplest way to clear it out is to simply reboot the box, and then rm -rf /opt/ltsp
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<drwahl>
when i try to umount /proc it says the device is busy
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<sbalneav>
then re-do your ltsp-build-client.
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<drwahl>
ah, i can handle that :) brb then
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<drwahl>
i rebooted, and i am still getting the chroot error :(
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<sbalneav>
Did you remove the /opt/ltsp?
19:45
<drwahl>
yup
19:45
<sbalneav>
So, you're doing this on Ubuntu?
19:45
<drwahl>
Debian Sid
19:46
it looks like /proc gets mounted on boot
19:46
<sbalneav>
Ok, so, how, exactly, are you invoking ltsp-build-client?
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<drwahl>
as root, i am running the command "ltsp-build-client" then i let it go do its thing, and it exits with the chroot error
19:47
<sbalneav>
Are you i386, or 64 bit?
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<drwahl>
i386 kernel
19:47
<sbalneav>
ok
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<drwahl>
i kinda had it working yesterday, but it is giving me issues today. i was able to bring up the login screen yesterday, but i couldnt log in because it didnt have any accounts
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<sbalneav>
So, from a fresh reboot, and no /opt/ltsp, ltsp-build-client fails with a /proc mount. Hm
19:48
<drwahl>
so i rm -rf /opt/ltsp/ and now i cant seem to rebuild
19:49
ya
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<sbalneav>
You're running this on the bare metal? not under Xen or anything like that?
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<drwahl>
well, i am logged into kde (if that's what you mean), but nothing fancy other than that.... xmms is running :)
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<sbalneav>
And you're root when you're running the ltsp-build-client?
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<drwahl>
i log in as my user, then do "su" to get root privlages
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<sbalneav>
ok
19:52
Sounds like it may be a bug. Vagrant's the fellow in charge of the debian port, I'd talk to him.
19:52
Sounds like you're doing it right.
19:52
<drwahl>
ok, bugs are fine, as long as i'm not being completely stupid :)
19:52
<sbalneav>
Doesn't seem to be a mistake.
19:52
<drwahl>
do i need to file a bug report?
19:53
<sbalneav>
Might be worthwhile
19:53
at least so the debian people are aware.
19:53
<drwahl>
should i file the bug with debian, or with ltsp?
19:53
<sbalneav>
debian
19:53
<drwahl>
ok
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<sbalneav>
file it agains the ltsp-server package.
19:54
<drwahl>
k
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